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>> This is a living history interview with Bill paradise class of nineteen fifty three conducted by Marilyn Somers on July the twenty fourth and the year two thousand and six we are in his home in Dunwoody Georgia and the subject of our interview today his life in general his experiences at Georgia Tech Mr paradise.

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You told me I can call you BELL So Bill is your bit. We're ready to start your story and I want to know where you were born in when I was born and I was just twenty six nineteen twenty six and I mill village called granted bail South Carolina granite though.

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Granted bail. It was a mill village was it a granite mill No they were a textile plant but it musta had some granite somewhere they were calling and that I still don't know you don't know what your parents doing there. My father was working in the ground on my own as it was Col don't know what a company.

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And very few other employees did and he came there were they. I guess. From a farm in Georgia and I want to place to go to work and how much money and was your mom from that area or how they buried when they moved there they were married when I moved there both somewhere some like some part of Georgia.

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I think she was born near a current Aereo shade you know down in Newton County and he was born in Jefferson County. Do you did you did you talk to them about their story about how they met each other and they you know they went to South Carolina because he was looking for work and now that he was in this first world war and.

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Went back to the farm and joined you wherever that was. And then. He met her somewhere along the line and they got married when he was twenty seven and she was seventeen. Wow. So your mama was just yesterday girl. Yeah baby your own and neither one I'm a graduate from high school which was very very common in the time you mentioned to me that your mother was born one hundred one years ago.

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So yes that's correct. Your father even before that he was born in ninety five. So it was very uncommon for them. You know to have gone much beyond what they had to do just to get the right immense down because they were needed to work probably of new lives in rural areas.

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Yeah in both somewhat you know from a farm area and I don't know if any of their brothers and sisters went to ask you. She may have had one sister to graduate from high school. Were you the firstborn of their children. Yes And how many brothers and sisters having mine and he was younger.

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Eighteen months to her younger than I am so just the two of you boys. That's right now your daddy did why didn't the male Do you remember he was a mechanic. He was a mechanic OK And what and what did your mom work in the mill to or did she.

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Yes she did I know from time to time because I needed the money which is just and you know it was a tough life was yet a study just to keep going. Everybody pitched in and out there when she had you and your brother. She had to manage work going back to work with kids to you know she went back to work later on.

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I don't remember too much about it until about the time I was in high school. Well the high school command we got to go back to Great. Well how long did you live in South Carolina. To live. Two days after I graduated from high school and so for this very for a long time you had that so they did they stay with the male that whole time.

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Now he left the mailing went to work somewhere else and wound up in Jacksonville Florida and she worked at the mail. And so did they separate you know well how could you work in Florida. If you were up living in the house up there when I think that was just a short period of time.

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For sure you're OK And you know I classify what I don't remember too much about and I want you to tell me where do you remember the name of the elementary school you went to yes I went to Langley elementary school and I want to ask what do you do languish mascara.

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Now can you tell me if you ever had an opportunity to go meet your grandparents. OK like travel. OK Usually we would go to August and check your bus and go to visit my grandparents. Her mother and father and he lived on a farm not too far from Milledgeville OK so you have a memory of that.

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Yes I'm go if traveling by the book. To see them. You're your daddy's parents did you ever meet them. I met his father. I think is mother dad about the time I was born. OK so you never met that grand I mean but you did meet that grandfather your grandfather paradox.

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Yes and he died and I think yes well those are collar around thirty nine to forty. So you had he was around that while after he was born. Do you know have any early memories of him that you want to pass on the only thing I can really remember him about it was in the evenings before they fixed dinner all supper as I may have collared it he said and I straight backed chair leaning against the main part of the house and it was a long veranda that going back to the kitchen and dining room and he would grant like to play with all of the kids and he would grab them and he was always barefoot in pinching with his toe work in this way and a great memory that he was good at that he was a rural man be a slave and what was his trait was he just a farmer just a farmer.

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Did you ever get to go spend like holidays with either set of grandparents. Now just you yourself just about a week or two and it's summer time and whenever family. The hole in the hammer. So you didn't get sent off to spend the summer at them or do something like that they were too busy farming they didn't have time to put up with it.

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Well so your parents. Although they worked in the mill they also farmed at home we had a small. And early life and they had a small garden back in the house. And he tended to that now where we had a to fruition dash emotion because you came up at a bad time in that you were born in twenty six and twenty nine the stock market crash and everyone knows the Great Depression settled in and although people talk about it only lasting a few years you and I both know it lasted a whole lot longer than that.

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Yes a lot longer and of course I don't really remember the early part of that but later own. I remember certain things happening like when I was going elementary school. Things were you know a lot of fun ranch going home and I remember the National Guard was on top of some of the males with machine guns just to keep peace.

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Really. Yeah so there was a rebellion among the workers against the mill owner and I guess I guess they were just trying to keep that from happening. So they had the National Guard come in and kind of scary for a little kid to see stuff like that we didn't know any better and we thought I was just part of life every day.

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Yeah. So I did a war you know and what you are aware of it. You saw it happen. You got you were able to go to school every day in elementary school and then you learned. I bet you had chores. I had lots of school. You had chores to do didn't lie had a lot of them.

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That's what the differences between people who raise those depression and others that were good times is that everybody pitched in and. That was the deal right as Congress and so what were your some of your chores that you remember had to bring and would put a stove. Well there was no central hair.

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There was no central air conditioning ever had. I didn't and that time I wouldn't even know what it was. So you had a wood burning still cry for cooking and for heating and he now had what he had to when a fireplace and. Every room and also we could build a fire and if I said he wanted would freeze at night.

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Yeah because it could get pretty cold in the winter months. And now where we live now which in Milledge is the company when our housing. So typical of what we read about then you don't have a lot of choices in that you know and I guess based on how long you'd work to the mail in your status is how good of a house you could get you know a lot of houses which tell shotgun houses.

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What kind of hostage you live and you remember we lived in a shotgun house at one time. And now I come to know you stand in front door and I shoot a shotgun and I wanted to go out a back no and I had a thing because it was a long gun really for off.

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Well I know what they were really room after room after room and know how I use partially. And I remember one time I said look he had on a probably has about. The what they ask around he is I would help. Some guy with his paper route. And for free and so I started papers on my street I think he had but he had a paper and my parents would get very very unhappy because it took problem how are they go.

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Maybe two blocks. And they don't want you waste your time and yes I said I was too slow. What other choice. Did they have for you to do. Well I guess we had you know sweet part of the house had very few rugs so you had sweep everything.

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Otherwise would dirt dirt would get tracked and yes very sad because nothing was paved there sure of each no sidewalks very dusty in the summer time so we could say it was a hardscrabble life everybody just really make and do and get by right. Looking back it was a time when I didn't know any better.

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We thought everybody did it. Well in our little world. Yeah right. Sure but now when you look back at you realize that it really was a tough night. And I think about it and hey it wasn't really a lot of fun. It wasn't we thought it was you did you had a good time.

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Were you a lot. Sometimes just wrong. While doing so well yes. Because nothing was. As they will be played by the neighborhood kids out in a dire straits can we play ball play hide and go seek in that funny how kids come up with something I don't think I'll come up with I always knew and.

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Was a dog and I asked. But we kept busy. And I went to go to bed. We were tired we were ready to go to bed because if you came in that I hadn't got anything to do somebody would find something. You know what I wonder what was wrong with you.

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Yeah. And of course my parents were pretty good disciplinary ends now so I knew that you know going to get it done and that I do like yeah that was that just the way you came up and we came up. Now when you got out of elementary school did they have a system there where you went into junior high school or was it rashly you know directly in high school.

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OK How far away was the high school. Do they have one right there though it's. Then surely moved and so out of every matter half a mile from high school I went to. And it was Col Langley bass hack. OK Who was the Langley the schools were all the investor.

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I have no idea. No I'm just a little times and if maybe about semi. Small towns one or two males in each one of the towns and I can get any and now good chance that probably it was a mill name that might have been related to the because of the mill might have paid for the money.

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Let's give the land for the building to be on or something like that. So yeah like it might be something from time to time I guess we lived in each one of the towns. Just traveling between the mill but it was all the mill culture. Yeah yeah. Clearwater was one place where we live about two years now and finished up there and then we lived in one town or between Langley and bath where I went to high school.

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And well **** they did have a bus but I have no as to how do you know where I work a bus went to to pick people up. You have no idea what it is you were on your foot. And he was a huge chassis last thank you.

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Probably maybe a day peak was two hundred people there in the whole school and a house crew and I remember as Langley bass Clearwater and some of. The plan all the kids go to that one house crew. And thinking back I think it was probably one hundred twenty people who started yelling marriage when I started.

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And my graduating class from high school they were twenty or so it was still very common for them to drop out then lot of dropped out went to work and I was you hang in there but what was your motivation to hang in there. First of all I want to work in a male I think I've been in a couple I mean I didn't feel like I was me and so I was there with both my parents work and I was able to go to school.

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So you just took advantage of that of anything you want to show how different was it for you when you got high school where you walk or any opportunity for sports. To have it have very limited sports. We had a football training. I was on a football train for a while but I was just too small to cut it at least you went out for it and you were learning a little bit about team sport then and then we played live in a not.

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So intramural which played soccer really well I do believe it but that was early for saccadic I was usual thing. It was you know and looking back I was real surprising when you watch soccer was. Somebody talked to or even had a soccer ball. Let me tell you that and then we had a little tracting when I was good.

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Now we think about those years the four years you were in high school. Do you remember anyone ever telling you that. You know study hard you can go to college. Never heard right here and that didn't didn't know too much about college I want it was and it wasn't a value that anybody was saying you know.

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So you were studying just because you know you didn't want to get up in the mail. You know hopefully I could find my way up that something better to do away from all of that so that was your motivation and I turned money I did have a paper at math or newspapers but the machine year and Hashim particularly now made up probably twelve to fourteen hours way through a newspapers.

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Wow. And I've been a big paper out as much. It wasn't much as some of the people who worked in. Isn't that something that shows you how poor they were you know how little they really gleaned from their work. Did your parents let you keep your money or did they make it hard to do you know I kept it all.

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The last thing I did and I was able to buy my first pair of long pants when I was a senior in high school and something something you can remember that very clearly because you hated where you start playing and I had I would I hated that was a passion.

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I kind of I had to work out where I am today and I like cut off the person's thank us knowledge. That's pretty pretty strong. So you don't wear shorts today. You're not one of the Bermuda guy and I don't no way I look at people and I said hey if they lack of ice that they have not for me you know what it's like to be embarrassed because that's what you were probably went to high school with short fansite and that was because your parents couldn't afford to buy your lawn care either.

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They couldn't. Well I guess they got for causing about me short pants but I guess that was what they felt it was cheaper to think that it probably was cheaper Was that all year round like that or yeah even in the wintertime you know where he went to him and also sometimes you do things get in trouble and you had to cut your own switch and we could limber and start and yet the bottom part of your legs now and then it stings Well I add that that so that you think there might have been a reason for shortly and maybe you didn't get in a lot of trouble.

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Did you know only on rare occasions and only example my brother got tired I mean how he was because tattletale I was saying Well that's what happened. He was ready I knew even stuff that was yet a deal. You know I just just for him look good. You know typical story of a little brother and of course we live near our you know what to call upon which was a mill pond and it was in the house quite valid it was harsh Kraken had several dams.

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To initially they were put there to generate power for the males. And of caution. We go swimmin and and I'm going to go fish and it sounds like. Like you said you didn't know the difference so you're pretty happy. You didn't know you were dirt poor right. So you enjoyed your growing up time.

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Aside from your pesky brother. Yes right. As a banker Yes women have the same place. And health issue and you don't have to go very far for that you make good friends. I'm very happy that bodies of that. We have with anybody thinking of going to college at that time no one.

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How about the military the war was beginning or the fact by the time you got out of high school. What year did you graduate from I graduated in forty three in a war was well really forty one. So there was no that which I wanted the only thing that we thought about is you could.

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We go into the service. So when you graduate from high school is that the first thing you did was a list now. My first thing and I was I went to Columbia South Carolina on a bus and got my birth certificate because I knew I was going need one somewhere I'd be gone now.

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We had draft. In those days. Yes. So when you turn eighteen. You'd have to register for the draft you would need your birth certificate for that to that because I did you graduate. Before you turned eighteen I graduate. When I was sixteen. Wow And did you go twelve years eleven years eleven years of watching the schools I don't think at that time I fixed now to educate people hold back a lot.

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Yes to train and I thought of myself. So yeah that's pretty much the way it went down and so you get out of school when you're sixteen years old that was eleven years. You know through the eleventh grade and you get on a bus to go to Columbus apply for your own birth certificate and when you What did you plan to do with that you were to go down the list now.

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So I wasn't old enough at the time came back home. And then I made plans to leave in two days later I left and never went back. Really. Where were you what did you go to some city college who had a Georgia. What you had did you have to pick that up.

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Well I had some relatives living here I had a couple I had since Michael that you knew but you know my side of the family yes. And did you write letters to say to them that you were going to come. See what your opportunities yes now you know because they said Come ahead telephones at that time I think were nonexistent.

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Yeah probably in the mill towns they were not written or never did you have to use them. So I came to stay with hand over in West hand and got a job. How did you get here on a bus on a bus. You know how it was a huge eventually was and I mean what you're not even seventeen yet if you want to get on a bus.

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And not easily anyone how did you even get to that you have to go to Augusta to get a guy got to get a bass. So you had to get your way there. So the big problem. And you picked what you were if your future earthly goods your new new pair that you just bought for you.

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Last year I need to match I don't know what I need you. That's right. You wouldn't know what you need to say goodbye to your mom and dad and your brother and I was off and you were off not lookin back at all on. So you come into Atlanta at the bus depot.

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Yeah it must again behave City to you you know I don't ever remember thinking it was big. I don't know why fearful amazing as it was just something else to me you know just going do what you have to do. And how would you go about getting a job when she got here I had.

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An uncle who worked for a company now he says I said you know I do anything. Why don't you come in here. You're not black my job I didn't I gave it to me and so I put my work and they have offices and accounting clerk and this was Colonial colonial stuff was.

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And it was now out on White House street so did you take public transportation to get to your job. I was living in a boarding house at that time and I think roundtrip on a street car was fifteen cents and most of the time it was close enough that I won't work in good weather.

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So did you and I say that if the engines a day. Yes you could save that money so you were on your own before you even turned seventeen or by the time you were seventeen you had a job and they were on your own you went on the arm going house somewhere close to work.

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Yeah I mean you have to hand you were. Man I wish I would start now start my life. You know working man and then I was starting to meet and some guy has some friends now here in Atlanta and they live Cherry lived here all of the last known as some most I don't know how went to take her.

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I knew they were still going to school then because they had got here. They were just getting out the time I was here yesterday at work and what were they all talking about everybody was going to list right now we're going to wait in time to time and have to enlist and now they were old enough or they would take us.

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And so so talked this over with your friends and we talked about it and cause I had enlisted and I was turned down because I had let Pete. You know the United States Army and I stood in there. I mean this in the Marine Corps. You go. All right.

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But I want to and I want to do I want to go for help cause I'd like Picture asked. And so the Marines would have gave you a physical and told you no way right. Got cause a flat. OK so a short while later I was drafted and went to Fort Mack.

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You were drafted by the U.S. Army and I was just drafted you went out to Fort Mack and that time to decide whether you were going to be an Army Navy or Marines. Really. Yeah you didn't choose they chose for each I was made to check choice. So you got your draft letter because you had turned eighteen.

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And your friends were getting drafted to or had they already enlisted that they started going on about the time I did OK. So what happened when you got out there. He had another physical and I had a physical they looked me over you had some examination she had to take a written test a lot of a lot of things I did and then you go to sit between three desk I remember.

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And what I was and I'm a guy I want the Navy guy was Marine and I guess they had some of the stuff in advance and so he got in the middle and I would even maybe stamp my paper handed to me now and that's just like he says wait just.

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The minute always I ask. I want to get out of that because I want to be in and they not deny me because most of time and I would have a bad. Yeah that's true. That was the general thought of so he got you a little too eager there.

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Yeah I did stay with the name British when you know that now that you had a report to where I had to report to a small group somewhere in town and it put us on a train and sent us to. The first time I've been out of this state of Georgia and South Carolina and sent me to a place called Bainbridge Maryland.

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And I was going to have that the event was on the other side of the world. It must've been and by bus or by train train. OK first time military personnel want to train first time everything was first time out of first time out of us had you written to your parents to tell them where you were going.

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I think bad time I wish they were still in Atlanta. When I knew not I might be going to Maryland. So you did keep in touch with your parents even though you had moved away. You have not had time they had moved to Atlanta. Your parents did. But then after you do so you started the exodus from the little town or yeah the first one that moved away and then they followed you here.

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So you got up to Maryland. And you don't you have to go through basic boot camp. First I went to the Naval boot camp in Maryland. And now I remember I must have been a pretty co-winner that year because I don't think I shot a grind on for about three months.

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So you know. And now we had our training. I'm boats now on the sets. We had a river but that year we didn't have it because the river was frozen our Really. So you were getting a taste of. Your there might not just be evil. Marilyn's sort of kind of the South and Ireland who didn't think about being an eco Well I didn't know any different.

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But at least you had good clothes because they had a outlet you with me give you plenty of clothes all clients and I'm paying the coach to keep you won and what did you think about this like did you feel OK. Yeah it was it was. Deferent it was initially it was just something I do for eighteen year old kid.

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Yeah. So everything for you was just an adventure. Yeah and everything you know I mean they did go to war. Do you know what the war was winding down but not. How do I want to say that this is nineteen forty four by this time. Yes. And shortly thereafter of course we had the day in Europe we were still going through your training and all that.

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So you were being psyched up for the Pacific Theater right very much. You knew that they were letting you know that you were flat out going to be going into combat. That was the deal you were being toughened up for their rights. That's right. You've been given our you know all the training they could muster into a short period of time and training your brains and everything out of the sledgehammer engine Japs whichever one you might meet.

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So you were you were being brainwashed in a way so very much. I spent. I guess have a time brainwashing us. Isn't that interesting in the early part they were doing that but it really got galvanized by the time you got it and I guess by that time they were able to get him however in the world.

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I got it and I showed it to us about concentration camps about the camps in Japan and. Yes we're seeing things that the general public with even think they want to get you fired up and would never see it because it's just not good for people to see those things.

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And so I would call on did you stay in Maryland and I stayed there and seen finish the camp. Then we let us go home on leave. I think few days go back to Maryland and was there. And Harry waiting decides where they want to ship us where they don't need us and they decided to go see him in a school in San Diego.

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So you really got to see the country. Yes they're really they put you on a train put me on a train an hour and we come cattle cars actually they were robots cars with bumps and I'm stacked up about eight or ten had really no windows on our side.

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I want to go out. And once while they stop and I don't like I say how sad but you so you you wouldn't cross country but you can see doggone thing but not to the black Irish right. Wow that's really scary in a way to be shipped out like that was listed taken three days for you probably think it took five days even five days when transportation wasn't real fast at that time.

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And now and there you were out in San Diego and of San Diego I think never even heard of before. No doubt tried any matters and it looked totally different. What were they going to train us. To be a yeoman which is an office work because I'd taken typing in high school that was my qualifications for I should but that was a good thing that you did happen and I didn't want to be that cause I know what I want to do what I want to be a the second man are gonna And they weren't interested in what you want to do now because somebody had to do all the paperwork and stuff.

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And the next that you'd ever seen a typewriter was an advantage for you and I think. You know. Doing all your thinking for you. So Sandiego turned out to be what they sharpen up your typing skills. Yeah you know I'm not a lot of different things. Now think what school for about four months really good long time and then waited around to see what your orders were going to be.

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Yes And I mean time I got to enjoy San Diego a little bit. Went to some color San Diego Zoo and was I fascinated to hear this one of the well at that time it was probably the best way to get used the best in the country and.

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Then we went from there to terminal Al and California which is a harbor and I waited for them to send me to wherever they want to say me that invasion of Japan. So they were good even though you were going to be doing clerking they're going to still send you Japan.

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That would mess. Yeah they needed that people to keep up with people so. Yeah I work you know has to go all out to the fronts no matter what. Meanwhile of course we know from our history. That's a very dramatic things were taking place in Japan. When were you notified about the bomb drops or what probably knew that immediately.

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Because you were just sitting there waiting for your orders put out it's now cause we had stuff to do. Well it's a busy. Yeah was one of my jobs at that time I was in charge of barracks for X. naval presence. They had you know a they get in trouble they have to serve time.

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And. He's listed people so so they would be like guys that were in a while or just screwed up somehow screwed up somehow ready. Murder drunkenness paths are going to tell things now and it gets us for so much time. And they sent him to this place they're waiting.

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Like you like they had one more day to go before to be discharged. But he had served five years on a Senate they had to say about five years plus one day. I'll forget about it. Keep track of it before they get discharged and they would get a dishonorable just start right.

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They knew that and out once a day some lieutenant from another base would call me and says I need so many people what you got so I tell him and he says OK how good are the Mino did to get out of bed properly the national muster properly.

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Did you know things properly and he also had to work on a garbage trucks want to but if. So now these guys were criminals but he was going to put him to work for something. Or have criminals not so he actually we discuss about where we are where we thought that each individual should go and he say as.

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This was after was I. We want to time he come he said and we got a cabin Scout what kind of ship that was I had no earthly idea. He says is going to the coast of chanting I'll be there for about two years and I said I got a real you know why.

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Now he's got eighteen months to go when I send him there also. You can't complain. I got with them in a way because you would if they still had to serve someone they could serve under supervision and still be playing a role for them. Yeah yeah cos while they were that dyspeptic look back now they they wash my clothes I made my bed bombing.

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So it's sort of like an atrocity program with criminals. Yeah I was like a first class guy I was like an officer you were keeping track of these people and it was interesting. It must have been very interesting but the military wasn't above sending a mob No go ahead and I'm sure they didn't say well you know we're going to keep them in a clique so to speak they utilize the manpower where they could.

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Yes So you're telling us you know right and put them in jail. So it's already got a one off on the garbage boat to China and you never know what happened to these guys number. And some of the guys who want to be they knew what could happen to him and I and the reason I took care I'm a real well the sex prisoners.

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They want to they get to get their look at sometimes what somebody's duty was and I given the privilege of choosing something that was good. You got what nineteen years old and I was. Yeah. And already you're in charge and you're learning the ways of the world are you not me.

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You are a lot of the ways and there were no while was I when I was counting days now when he would discharge me and I could get out. So you really spent your time in the Los Angeles area there waiting and then wait once you heard about the bombing.

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You knew you were not going to have to go off. Well we didn't know whether I would be shipped out or not. So when how long did it take before you found out what I was discharged. So you put all yours then yeah cause he went or did is were drafted and put in and they were is their kind of direction.

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And they just. I did what the direction was. Yeah they get to decide that it's in their generation was two years about how rough but I mean you were in the danger were you at any of that time and I thought it was a good experience for you.

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I mean that certainly went toward you did. Yeah I met different people from different parts of the country. Like when I was in Bangladesh Maryland I took time out now and when. And going to bother my offer. We can swallow when we shipped out. I went to New York I went to Philadelphia.

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So these were opportunities you would never ever had problems and have been over there. Yeah somewhere but you know each of them was a growing up opportunity to me and they gave you a little more than a little moment already but it was so young to be turned loose into the world.

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So once you got your discharge then did they provide your transportation back to Atlanta. They gave me so much money I get they discharged me and now and California. And now you what it would take to get back to Atlanta and you make that much money to ride the bus or train which I want to get back to Atlanta and that was your goal.

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If you didn't have any intention of staying out there. A lot of people have enlisted and I talk about it says why don't you and blah blah blah. This is just ashes for some reason or other I don't like for anybody to tell me when I go to bed when I get up and I'm really well you know you were anxious to get your independence you had had earlier So yeah I could see where you'd want to go back to that.

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But there was no thought of going back anywhere but it Lana nowish telling place I really needed. So you got back to Atlanta and did you write yourself go to boarding house again or stay with relatives that time I thought of that when I say I want to live here with them and went back to work.

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Where it where did you go back to Cologne corner store. OK And they have to hold your job for you or you had a job for you by the law. Yeah and one other interesting thing that happened that I'm not. How did you become aware fact that you were then eligible for the G.I. Bill.

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I started hearing about it and read about it and not one of my buddies I had made it. It started to Tech any excuse or why don't you come over here and she's like going across the street. And you don't really have a concept of what this was going to be all about you know I didn't know what that thing was that could give you a better job is what you were thinking thinking about that a better way of life than a job and because it was free.

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It was something now for for a family like yours you you were unusual in that you graduated from high school right. So now you could take the next step up. How did colonial feel about that. Were you encouraged by anybody. Now and I was I was discouraged they said look if you stay here.

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You've done a really good job you'll get a better job you'll get promoted and I just thanks but no thanks I said. I've made up my mind I know what I think I want to do. And I said you know I saw hard life. OK I guess I'm ready for it so you were out of the military not even a full year probably just about you too.

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You gave it a fair shot. You tried working again. But you know you wanted something more out of line and right. Right and. I had been a wanted to football games when I was in California to the Coliseum and now. And so. I'm back here are you started to attack.

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Says hey come on over next go to a football game. And I really didn't know too much about what cut short about wash and I had real. Real remember that game. I went to with between tech and do. I don't even know the weather they want to live it just seemed like we had a good time you were they were in the stadium and having an experience if I look this is part of the deal maybe I should do this.

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As you know part of the life of how far away did you live from the campus at that time I lived in Westin which is across town so that was going to involve public transportation. Your parents were willing to have you live at home and go back to school where I did.

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Now as I have quite a bit of money while I was in the service. And they bought a house and I came out of the money had saved. To be able to live with them and I would help them buy this house. If I could say that while I went to Georgia Tech.

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Wow that that was very generous. But it gave you some stability. You know did they think did they understand that you want to go to college. Did they understand the value that you think they really didn't know they didn't understand was just you know just not what they were thinking my Yeah you know what happened to your younger brother.

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He fell about a why sad he felt like he knew more than our Haskel kids and so he dropped out of school. So he can have a going to ask him if he had to go in the service you know while I was while I was still in Maryland.

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He went into service and was sent by Mitch for his boot camp and he stayed in the service long enough to retire from the Navy. So he made it his career he was his career he was very fortunate that they were going to do that and I still miss corrector now and so fortunately when an early enough.

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I was in line and asked so he could keep on ship and over and over. And if you ask you stayed in long enough to learn your trade he became a welder and so you could well and I didn't care whether you could. Just so you'd be able to weigh off what I wanted done so that turned out to be a good life or could I think you know now the military was very good for you.

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All right so now we come to that time. What was it nine hundred forty seven. Here. You're going to go and roll at Georgia Tech me now with the process. Do you write a letter. You just go show up over there. How do they do this in one thousand and I showed up I was there and I am away to the administration building and then I got in there and I said erection I wind up with a registrar.

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And so I told him what I wanted to do and what did you want to do I told him I wanted to be an architect. He wanted to be an architect and that. Either I went out there and out why they looked at me questions about me and says watch.

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Because that academics was that was a different life. Tell me what made you think you want to be an actor. Well I thought architects Now you go out and they were in charge of constructing everything. You can even really know what it was and had no idea what it was you had no idea there would be some artistic skill involved with it or drawing or anything like downtown Atlanta around.

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How did that day with that come my junior year. You're kidding me. You went there freshman and sophomore. And struggling you had them. I just want to. I found out why that was the market found out this was it for me what took you so long to make up here by.

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I don't know so well that I would now we have a lot to talk about because I want to know now when you first came in the school. You would be taking a lot of core classes anyways. Right. You had a very shaky foundation. There were a very small school only eleven years.

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How much math and science had you had. A little more time to hear it was you know it was a different world. And so one day I graduated but we worked hard. We got out and we struggled all year. You're here go way too fast. So we come back and talk about it.

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So you register for your first classes and we did you have to take remedial courses I had to take to remedial courses especially back that one was a mass course and had you had chemistry and never never had chemistry never held a chemistry book in my hand and one course was a chemistry course for me.

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And then there was OK So in those days that was considered a dusting class and other words you got into it you didn't do so good and they say we're not tech material mesh I feel you have much not done well enough that they let you stay and I had to yes and use if I didn't do well enough I would be intact so that message was closed right from the get go.

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Now those were the days that look to your left look to your right. Yes right. That's correct. And how and I got that in my Yeah first mechanical drawing class which was very difficult for someone who had no background and I had never I didn't know what to teach where I was I'd never seen a triangle in my life.

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And I thought a pencil was the right way. And a sly rule you probably would not have known it because you were literally stepping into a world that might have been Greek as far as you were concerned it was not like it was how on earth did you do that.

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I guess pressure parents and do you guess I think I mean all of that you could pursue or that much besides that you were getting on a bus or street car driving back to withstand every day. My word you must have stayed half the night study trying to learn as well.

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That's why you would even know how to study would you now did it then I didn't know how to say to me Wow. Yeah because in Haskell you know praised through it. I took my mask course which was jam entry and I made a hash crazy how much of it had been made in the **** that she's got That's easy.

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You had understanding Forte that no formal training for and that's the tricky part the tech professors were not particularly concerned about you know precious little bill and how he was managing right you were on your own I gave enough slack they were just. Do you remember anybody from that time at all and the the professors of one profession in particular with my mechanical engineering drawing I was just his name was kept in Larsen.

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Was in the military and I even and now in his drawing classes you had to come to tension you had to act like also he was going right through midshipman school yes Larry. And now he's already been there done that. So you could hear that and so. When I remember he come up if you had a question out he'd come to your drawing table.

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And I took me a while but he said you had to get out of your seat. So he could get he says and I'm like I'll stand here listening to you. Yeah. He knew who was there. So he made generic ice. I bet you were made nervous. Now the year you got through the fight you were in quarters systems.

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Right. Correct. So the first quarter. I mean it had to have been horribly difficult for you to realize what you put yourself and it was amazing how many was the bulk of your class that turns older guys now by that time I guess maybe that they've seen a half and him.

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OK so there is still some young stuff coming in here young staff coming in and I want you to have some from South Georgia who were not any further ahead of the game than you were. I could tell that so there were other people that were struggling and so somewhat of a fascist looked at it we were there to learn more than some of the younger squarish who was there were over eighteen years ago and my God you weren't that much older.

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I mean what had you hit twenty yet. Yeah but I time I would maybe twenty one. You might have been twenty one still very young and to having to learn all new tricks. Everything had to be brand new for you that. Yeah so and I thought I just think about you getting on that street car going home to a family that didn't understand what you were even I didn't understand it at all but your mom did your mom pack your lunch every day.

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I mean three square meal now I got back was not done I don't have to I got home whenever I got home and got my own food. I worked in a robbery or you went to the robbery to pick up whatever you could and then what you did is you sat down and taught yourself how to study how or when you talk to learn.

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And the longer I did this and I mean I was unscrewed about I learned how to study and better my grades got Yeah. So to start with you must have done well enough for you to been sent home. I mean they would have dusted you out. I think you got through those first classes were not maybe not with any you but you got through that time.

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I was real thankful I could pass those mechanical drawing classes which I don't think they teach now. Well it's a different world. We can't even talk about what goes on today. But at that time you were not the only one that was having trouble with that that I've heard so many people tell me they were their downfall.

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Or they would spend a lot of time on something and then he come across and draw a line across the work and I wrote it. You know I mean put all your time and effort. It was part of the discipline part of the training that's called One Georgia Tech and I could see some of that is I had made now and they were.

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They were struggling more than I am and I so I started drop drop about a way say yeah that's what happens. I mean it's Digg it's really a boot camp a very intense boot camp. And you were hanging in there so the first quarter. You got through you still thought architecture which you were still taking basics.

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Yes but the first year you wish trickly engineering. Yeah so you were learning calculus chemistry tackles came in sophomore year and we didn't come the first year. Thank you God does that logic you don't do then I might have put me out. Did you have any other professors that you were developing any interest in or.

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Not at that early stage in case you were just getting by just you had met any of the architecture professors. Now I wish I just sat more here I got him there. OK so here we get through. I mean did you think it was a miracle that you managed to make it through all the quarters.

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It was just hard work. It was hard. I can imagine how hard it what did you have the summer and I went straight through. So you didn't take summer you went from a quarter just like you would fall quarter and where water just kept hanging in there with it.

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One quarter after another quarter I think to get it or get it over with. Did you work at home. Later on I did not that first year that my freshman was to get was when I would have gotten past the Great. And so then you passed right into the second some as second year you were stock market.

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And you could look around and see how many people were gone. Why I was raised to tell. So you know it was worth sticking in there was it getting any easier by the tenth year of the sophomore year. No he's just working you something that still took a lot of work.

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And you can make math courses right. Calculus I never heard of before that was even harder than a restaurant. Yeah really. Yes I mean that kills people if they survive chemistry there's a good. You know by my calculus but this time. Now you are meeting professors for the first time.

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Yeah I can and now some who say my more what they were there for OK And what did you think about what you were meeting and what you were did you start to think then that geez maybe I'm not too interested in this. Did you have to take a drawing course.

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Not yet. Now I yes tarted in my sophomore year I believe taking a drawing course one was a charcoal drawing where you got it that. I can see him. So I guess you could say that that's why I was beginning to get your take. You know this was if I may.

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OK that's what happened but I got through. You know much. I go draw and stuff. My other stuff. Now you had really good really good professors in architecture or architecture. Yeah they were very two to healthy. But they can't really know what the tax hours would be happy a commuter.

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And I think that schedule one of us is right and so morning noon and night. Yeah but I mean it was still a very difficult life for you. But I had. And you saw my year you had got. You still had some time I left. Before so I game.

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It's a little bit later on. Before you stay in the archives you know in our night long. Yes. Do you remember any of them. Paul have I mean I have my own brush Brown was still found was a shrine which had the last of the big three. And what a big three.

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Yeah and I designed some things on campus. I support you come across. I don't remember. There were a lot of characters their names are their characters that's going to work they'll live on in infamy forever but they were kind hearted all of them. Interested and they were very good at what they did I mean they were very good architects themselves and I think yeah.

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So they're you topped out for another whole year and you went because I think I had a man I'm I can still catch up with this and. But you were you were so persistent I can't believe you hung in there so it was like tell you can't you came into the junior you had the courage to call yourself a junior that you said maybe I should step back and take that next NASCAR to say in the course is coming up.

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What they were and I say I want you to have more savvy or pay I want I can cut. One of the things that was happening is that they started a program called Industrial Engineering. Well it had already started just just then just a couple years before that.

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Yes before. Yeah. So you know barely new on the horizon. So they were advertising a little bit. You heard more about so I thought maybe that might be to thank for me and so part of the process I had to go to the thing that I had gotten I could I could probably get their permission to leave.

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And you couldn't read but he tried to talk you out of it now. They said maybe this is a better deal. Did you have to go meet growth clothes had to go to Colonel golf clubs and. He decided OK since you can't make him an architect I tell him why.

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And so he said you know OK we'll give you a shot. So he and his play have here prove me transfer into the industry. So that's what happened for your January. Well here we are not to talk about I.E. industrial engineering which I had mentioned was a new concept for Georgia Tech by Dr groups close to come back.

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Colonel Goethals had come back from the military and come up with this idea in a school approved it and it was going to be a little bit of this engineering a little bit of that engineering like him to. Useful graduate. You got into the program through his blessing gave you the shot at it.

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How did you take to that Were you in the right place. Finally I figured I was and I loved it I had joined a pair much all that good and I was far enough along in **** that I got in our current cross cultural well and babbler I well in a professional.

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And it was easy for me because I was I would and some of the other students. In that particular class because it was still a lot of veterans around and still I don't know about there was a lot of new people coming in and out eighteen years old.

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So you were we had of them. Yeah. Tell me about Colonel Goethals What was it like he was a very interesting guy. Seem to be very studious apparent knowledgeable and new to direction he wanted to go and wanted his students to go. Was he helpful. I think childlike you could stop and yet look at all you do in fact so much so I went out and later on in the sky.

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I would sit down with him. We talk about internationally nearing where it should go of what they should do. Should it change things and cetera. And so we did He was interested in your question first time in you know and all the students there and I guess he picked on me for one.

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Last really great. And then you mentioned Bob layer which later became. I think he was head to head of mine and I understand he's still living here as we did a story where we did do a story and. Yeah he's doing fine. So he was. He must have been you know just getting started in that field too at that time.

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Yeah. I forgot how old he was he was a young guy about launcher and I don't want to go on after my take engineering that was quite a challenge. Well it's totally different. It's a hotel a different alley it's a whole different everything because I remember one of the courses I had to take in architecture was called Escape.

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The jamma tree. I got by was the say. Which is considered good it was hard and then when I had to go back to make up engineering to scrap. And I going to ask you how much of a setback. What about a year it was a mill Let's say you.

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So it took a lot of things did transfer. A lot did but a lot. Was it. So you were going to be adjourned here but you're going to be a junior for a while go back and yeah I had to go back and take sophomore descriptive you know on my tree which I got no profession that really well.

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I was able to finish my problems each class in the lab there I met twice a week. In ten to fifteen minutes that are three hours. Wow So you know really good it would take quite to tell me in architecture not out that this was easy. That night.

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That explains why by the end of your junior year you were ready to get involved. What was going on the campus because you had under your buckle your belt by that and you know how you got going how to study and you did there were action. You had to handle things so much for some reason I we look back at your records we saw that that summer between your junior and senior year.

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You started you to work on the technique. Yes. Had you been exposed to writing for the technique or do anything at that time and then watch I was just marched right in and said I'm available appeared like it was a good idea. And then not have an idea whether.

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I think it was real good. I learned they needed people and. They had big turnover and they always do because I was unfortunate. Fortunately those guys graduated. Yeah and. So I remember in my senior year is the administration out everybody almost everyone on technique had to get rid of them because they put out a maple foods issue.

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It's just they just tell like it was desirable to have on a campus. The boys did get into their yes yes just like I have a copy. I think that really would be a profile that should go there I was foolish Yes but it was a very bad.

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It was bad it was he really made that good taste. I think most of it was not in good taste and so. ASVAB. You to it you you wouldn't like the crowd but you still would have to be sacrificed. But to keep it to keep people like Ali addict as they went down.

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You would be just an actor. And I think I think. Music I got to be coeditor. In my in the some of my senior year because out there again it just last hour the staff. They want to put out a newspaper. Do you get promotions I mean it's out there.

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Yes like that. And so they got myself and I saw the guy in person want to know. If we would do it. And so we told them yes. And so this is a was a earth shaking thing now which I helped me a lot. They said OK we're going to give each one of your thirty five dollars and a half a month because you had to make said that I was I'm not.

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We didn't know what it was pay had you know so I can so I could have that. You would have done it if they hadn't paid you anything. Yeah I was part of being involved and I was involved in all and it was fun. You also joined drama.

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Yes. And that was early in the game so much it came back after the war. I think nine hundred forty six. And by the time you joined up Mary now was there. Yes she was that she was the Director of it. Yeah group. And it was like I don't I found I came in under a part of the English department.

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You didn't even know that it knows that you sorry **** of the Half a lot got credit. You got credit for what you just wanted to do or you can be a performer behind any anything that you're just working out so here I stand and what did you do and so on the first play we had I was a stage manager.

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You took a lot of. Yeah Horsley there again and I'll turn over there always looking for new people. I want you train you have to be a stage manager a little bit now and the rest of it is are your own your own and I like and I will get this one couple is there and I did electrical work and he designed all the logical work the way he wanted it done.

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I just well when I went and the stage manager I always sat down and I tore up a book of the play and I cut it out and I paid half eleven pages not included in there and I gave our direction is not what I was going they thought the entire play.

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And I said this is how they do it. It was the only place that you seemed like then that was my first critical look it's never been done anything and then I was also in the play already had a small part to get a chance to be had actually left and right and we did it in around.

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Now this is when you were located was behind over well. Behind the bar has been on the field and has big field house yet in the first city was not in its present reiteration it has the right Expressway there because they were there were they out there. Well they already got it.

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Well initially. So the field house was actually. You'd have to go down Fourth Avenue and go behind the bars you had crossed the freeway you know that they were building and you would rehearse there and that's where the performances were to all right. And. Range I thought it was you know a lot of long hours but it was a lot of fun.

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And there you know what that time was Mary now you know having fun and she later divorced her husband and I married a guy named Dan Stein across he was in drama take when I was and I believe he was an architectural study what did you graduate an architect Dante with his full name is first in with him and so it's Santa Croce So she did marry him.

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It was quite the scandal it. Or just like yeah of course because she was over there. Considerably older than me. And you already had two daughters. By her first husband but somehow or other but he survived all that worked and then she had a son. So she she ended up having fun by him.

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But that you were with that one year because that was your senior Yeah yeah. By George. It was a good time we had fun. I enjoyed it. It was never the play. I think the first play was calm and OK now I was the second play. First play something about.

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Panama and healthy for you can't find yellow fever and I was second one was Milky Way and about a boxer. I did you perform the second one to yes. How why and where the second part of the second one and I was wondering I was really you know studies major OK.

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And did you get a bit part in it too. Yes So you got four. Yes but you didn't get that with the acting bug right now. I didn't know it for you as it's just I really enjoyed it and it was in the first play I think it was but the yellow fever.

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It was one local girl had to go out and get the males that time and I was in it and her name was Mary purposes and she graduates from going to college. And so I started taking. We never talked about your dating life was that the beginning of it then or not had a little bit.

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So a little bit compete before you go where you met somebody here or there so that this was your first. First educate and then you think you could let me have and first girl I dated and gone to college and. She was the only girl that I want to camp and a play.

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Now and they did an article they J C did about her. So you were dating as a local celebrity. Yeah. Did anyone have any come for him. Jen about how well known Mary now was now. Now she wasn't performing in anything at that time was she did go wanted to come here later on she may very well now and because of my Driving Miss Daisy.

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Yeah. But she appeared movies before that. Yeah you know and we all didn't know too much about that we were just. Too busy with school too busy with school she I talked to her before she passed away and she told me she loved her tech boys those boys always amazed her always the life of her.

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I guess she'd give you a challenge and a right as we did everything but you were pretty busy now you had taken her office with the American Institute of industrial engineer. That's right. So you were your president. I think I was president. That you were working at these so she or assistant editor of the news it's like me.

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Performing on stage manager. While you were making up for the last time. Last time I went and I met your dating a woman. Maybe I got to hear what you're you know when I had the money. Yeah your senior year was a wonderful year for you. So I enjoyed it terribly Did you ever going to be have go or were you still taken the transfer.

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I got a vehicle for our particular race and. It's a Georgia power company operated the public transportation system in Atlanta and I went on a strike. And it was taking too long to hitchhike. And wow they have two techniques. Yeah I said it so I'd say some more money from part time jobs I had and so I bought a car.

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You went part time jobs in addition to everything else you were doing you know. How can you think what kind of jobs. Well I went to the company I'd laugh when I started to **** Colonia columnist I was in town and I wanted a job. And so they gave me a part time job and.

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And I understand when I can come to work in time I want to flexibility real flexibility. It was it in the office and here counting office and so what would they would do what I would say. They're counting problems and their estimate when I come in and that's all you did was focus on that stuff.

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And then you were making a. Pittance but some money from the technique and that was only for one quarter only for what should have been pay you one hundred now. Well if you made something. Yeah. So you saved up and how much money would a person save up to buy a car nine hundred fifty after get how much it was but it was a heck of a lot of money was the old car brand I bought a brand new one.

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I thought it got first class. You bought a brand new car your senior year. Yeah because I had enough money. You know I go around much now see how much you were going to cost. And that's about what kind about a student back going to reason about that one when I could get to quickest.

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Is some of the other cars they want to sell me on how many assessors I could buy and then it takes longer to have it all put together and I'll put the other end in it got to where I didn't have that kind of money so I had to walk away from a lot of it but I got you did this in a very calculated manner you went from car dealer to car dealers already but you offered her a brand new car when your senior to have some me.

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And it was a Studebaker like here. Thanks fifty one fifty and what color was it. I think it was green I'm not really sure you know there were your first heart and like your first car was my first car I want to car. I never heard of anybody getting a first car brand new in those days I know they have but now they don't cost that much money.

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So you. Wow You thousand dollars. It was on the two hundred two and then what would you do you put a big down payment on and then make payments on it or paid cash. You're huge you know and then the side took way. Dishing out simulated savings and now.

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You know which was checked out and the thing about it. I got it stripped down I had now I'm going to save money. Don't you know this is the car I had that day she could get a car to where he wanted. So he had no heater. I hope you can imagine.

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Heater didn't have a radio. It had already had a radio and it breaks and I didn't write something stern way And a gas pedal and headlights. You know just the basics we could come and then. And you can sort of get your luxury I was feeling it was electric cars right and it cost.

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I don't know how much it cost but isn't it funny. You did not come as a package in those days you just that's if I would have days you couldn't get it. Isn't that fun. So you must've been pretty cool have your own car. You must have impressed you miss me Miss Parkinson Parker.

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She must have been impressed. I'm dressed all these years later it sounds pretty cool to me. So you really did enjoy your senior year I was and I was a lot of friends in going activities and studying like that when the grades went up. Of course because you were doing something you wanted to be doing.

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You paid your dues big time. Did you make friends that are still your friends. So we're from our longtime friends now but. They seem to have disappeared concept everybody took jobs and went off. Or you know how many jobs in the city of Atlanta today you could go to.

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But but it is a real bonding time for you when you make good friends when I didn't ask you to remember to any of the characters that were around that time other than the professor characters. Was there was a man by the name of George Griffin. Yeah I don't have anybody see that I was caddying George pretty tight while you did you know how what was the occasion that you would have come to his attention.

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I was about as I had to say what was going on a lot of times you didn't have to borrow money from him. You know people they didn't borrow money. That's correct. And but. He treated everybody the same way and I you go to the door of his office.

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He look up and see him I don't whether she knew who I was but if pressure Marsh. Get the hell out of here. I don't want to say yeah yeah maybe you could say yeah I thought I was what do you want boy now to say that a lot.

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To tell you just get out of the sight out of your mind cause you didn't like. Yeah that was just going to happen and I don't have to. He was a heck of a guy he wasn't and I don't I was impressed now that my stature have been there on a campus.

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So wonderful that you know you got to be friends with his oldest son Clayton claimed I got in a club and. I know his grandson George George not too well. Yeah but knowing George the original George was really a privilege. You know it was he was the unit individual and a lot of men my are ashamed and alum seem to announce you know every demographic and you know you by name and say you're on a campus a great talk to you.

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Yeah you know but you mean. Well you were a Navy boy too you know I had to do that now I want to be really tough for his Navy people that was getting him in a car seat. Then he said I'm damn glad I don't have to help you out.

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He said. I'm tired. This week is telling you I had to get out of jail. It's me either get somebody to jail or give us some money from you is going to fund it. I just wanted you know so many kids get through to that you're really extraordinary.

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And that you did not need help. You must be just one of a good saver that that money you made when you were in the Navy you were able to set aside and do so much with well I guess because you know I came through that depression era I learned and.

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You that you had to get our users didn't you know how they say there's something good that comes out of everything that's what you did well on out of your bad times was that you learned to be forgotten. You loved to work hard. You tremendous work ethic just really made you so successful and I'm now all good things were coming to an end.

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So you were looking forward to graduating you get not what this whole deal right. Yeah a little bit. Now I know in my summer but in my next to my last quarter. I be on a campus walking around contemplation of the now and run and some of the danger when I was Persian.

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And he. He was stop me and I'll and he says are you still in school. But he knew what you had been there long. And so I had to occasionally go into his office and visit him one time because they were going to girls come to **** that's why I was there.

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And so I went down in his office in a someone else's. When I was coeditor of the newspaper and he knew who I was and I say I'd like to interview these girls. He says You like what I said like to interview these girls. He says like hell.

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The thing about these professors they were so quiet read it or yeah they don't let you know they let you know what I thought and so I chatted with a law that says I'm sorry I won't do in a technique for an article and I saw he says.

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OK I said in front of the phone numbers he said to How would you. So he started down I want to phone number now and I'll stand in his desk he hung up. He says Would you get over and sit your when you know what I want to count.

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You know why do you want to but now I ought he was afraid you were alone on the make there something so he down got a whole new phone and I chatted with a girl and I got chatted with another couple I'm on a phone. And I said well I gotta say I'm doing I says we want to put a picture in a paper he says to how well you know he was going to cooperate you know weigh in.

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Well now I understand that I don't know what issue but somewhere along that line then we are curdle then you know who was the president the time he wanted to have a straw poll taken in there and the technique where you part of any of that and I was Do you remember a man named Mr Dunwoodie thing was Elliott done what he was.

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I didn't value president and I don't remember. He got called into the family as office and told you they're going to withdraw full stop full and as is I look when we look those issues up. We see that the boys ninety five percent of the boys voted against the women coming.

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Yeah. Do you remember that I remember that parents don't want to have to dress up and they didn't wanna have to they thought they were going to get dumbed down didn't they. Yeah yeah I miss her and I was going to harass her. Yeah you know you can rethink it practically I can **** up disco is that what you were thinking clearly you were very much opposed to that and yes.

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Well Mr Dunn what he got called in the van leader's office after that was published in the paper and then leader had already made up his mind women were common in the fall of fifty three you were already begun by them relative to fall. Did you did you know yet if you two that's right there is and I with my last quarter.

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Yeah OK so he he could have done what he and said to him you know this is going to happen that straw poll was not a referendum. It doesn't matter what those boys think and then kind of threaten them a little bit. So you'd hate to think of evoluting is our O.T.C. commission because the boys wouldn't change their mind.

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I'll never forget you know Eliot saying what was I mustered Yeah you have a chance now but you did you all did that was it that went to fifty one before you were actually the technique will then and fifty one follow fifty two came to with that to the women came and you were there first just to Dion Michelle and Liz a bit hard with the only two that came.

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A couple others registered but did not come. I had lunch with for one day we ran an article on technique and I got a picture. From it didn't thank you. She didn't study two of them did not stay most they were more than that had been accepted by their parents found out about.

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Yes they were he's not going there now. There were no accommodations. There were no restrooms. You know per se. You know they would have to share staffer and they had to work out a common story pace. Yeah well there was no dormitories at all to begin I think to start across the street not a problem later later as something there were elated first in the rock what they called the Rockefeller apartments which were the top of the Y..

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And CA Yeah right back with the yes but not not the first first Masters No they were going to be commuter students and the first one was a loser the carbon was an older woman she was a widow her husband of the guy with the washer was thirty I met her and the second one that was Diane was shot and Diane was just eighteen a blonde from Texas and she they both had to take engine hearing because the rule the regions had come out with this if you could take it somewhere else.

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You can't take it as true. So they both wanted to like trickle in January. And you know you got a chance to interview both of them are have lunch with me I had lunch with them. I have to scale started to fall quarter I know. When I wrote this article and I want to want to take make and I didn't personally tell me he says this article is not complimentary.

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He said How do you you know never graduate with Georgia Tech. And he says if you want me to repeat that. So you can understand our way. Yeah it was a big deal and the women had a harder time than anyone imagine it. I guess it was not easy for them.

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I didn't see them too often but I've heard stories about you know I can find I have are now that all kinds of times are just awful. That first quarter. The girls got the two of them were there and then you were done with school you didn't graduate until June because we only had a one year thing but you actually finished up in that initiative in December.

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So in December of fifty two you were ready to take your leave and things were just getting good for the girls and I took a long time to get any women there was any number at all but I will have to go look that article up. Will I look that up to see the picture because I don't know who the other two were and I'd like to have you then I thank you.

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Yes I have I think I have a copy but of course you have one down there we can go look one of those up unless you've got yours handy but I do want to know that. OK so you're finally. Done and yet you're not going to get your diploma right you just write just once a year twenty years you're going to have to come back probably give them a beginning and you know nothing like that and let me ask you this at that time Georgia started the placement service so that they were coming in and doing interviews for did you interview with anybody.

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Yes I've had some interviews. And I accepted one job. When United Fruit United Fruit Yeah. And then I was company sent to Honduras or someplace like that where the money was that hot when you're going to have an adventure and what happened. It didn't happen. Well and one of the Danes called me and he says I understand you've accepted a job with the United Fruit he says if you lost your mind.

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That was literally the Banana Republic I have for you which Dana that was that money saved you have your house but he says hey you know I don't think she went to Georgia Tech so that will go away with so you saved you. Yeah. And what was the alternative.

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So I got a job a local job locally time in Georgia with a guy. And cash. Did they come and interview you want to campus so you found that on your I found out on my own. OK And it turned out that the guy who was head of that apartment and I had graduated from tech and the whole idea was to reach back and hire another man.

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So he said he needs support he had to many I out sad as it was for me. I think now the tech guy. And so that's where you went after the holidays you started your job there and about. And see good thing about a caucus I needed transportation or yeah that was after beaten path.

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Yeah it certainly was. Did you enjoy it. I enjoyed it but it paid decent It was federal government. Yes it was it was substantial. So you were you we hate you had accomplished this great task with your parents both. Aware of what you had accomplished for you to ever never did I don't think ever really could was what and how much more it was because I didn't know what you know for meaning.

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It was. And I thought that was your first move to get out on your own or to just continue to live there and continue to live there for a while because you get out on my own involved. More like a little more money. And I wasn't getting rich fast.

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Did you go back for graduation or yes good for you. I did. I think like I going through all that long time I didn't know what that was a great opportunity for me to appear on a stage it to Fox the. Mind you know how do the five I want to not only thank you.

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Did the family calm my mother changed. She came but maybe then she could understand I mean you know again in the satellite because they were raised in the era where they were around a lot of college graduates to people and you went to college. You must have been very much in on what you did but they just didn't know how to express that I didn't understand you know they didn't understand what we should my looking at was a good thing and I found out what I was on my cousins who had I live in Atlanta.

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They were teenage girls at that time and Allan. And I thought it was the greatest thing even though I didn't see them there. They had a cousin who was in Georgia Tech. Yeah that's not to talk about that. That's a real something to talk about so. So you I'm stayed with the government job just first really just a year about a year and then what happened is what Kalu you know I want to tell you I got to I went to the devil I chapter in Atlanta and I went to the meetings now and it was God there.

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That I was head of the desperation a problem it can't stop. I was and I have but he says why don't you come to work for us. You already had some experience with this and I'd worked with him before we could He was just an engineer this time not yet as an engineer and so we negotiated with each other for a while and finally reach terms and Alan how it worked.

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Paul did you get a substantial raise from now or you have I didn't give you. The money to keep you know I definitely you made more money going. I'm a lot of money going to yesterday. So it was a step in the right. And it was a different lifestyle.

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You didn't have to work as much I put out as much would become one and she did get out and shoot. And so this was also challenging a life lesson. And. That time they had built. You quarters at a nice point you know virtually a brand new location for them and I were a very large company.

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Of course it's not in existence now but at that time that time it was one of the top ten grocery shop it's in in the country and we got to. Were there any relationship between them in Colonial bakery. None of that not OK because I don't want to be with you.

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Yeah no relationship. No relationship. OK. He stayed with it but not a long time I stayed with him for five years five years and I mean why you were looking around and eventually looking around to see what else you'd like to see what I was going on and I enjoyed my work there.

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But I knew where I was I couldn't get too much further for some reason or other so I thought about. How But put me in style was operations which was the heart of the company. OK So they did. And so they were going to send me to sense and that would work.

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And I had been a sense in that are on occasions now as an engineer to do IT work up there and the guy was a vice president the vision now says OK he took me. So he made a mistake. He made me his assist before I left Atlanta made me his assistant and gave me a big raise.

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Well this didn't go over too well with headquarters office. So I had didn't go to Cincinnati. You know let's go. Didn't I mean you know. Did they give you the right. Now you can be thin something like well see it had been actually I had to go and work for this guy yeah.

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And he was all guided operated I found out later on and he was the son of one of the fall. My largest stockholders and he felt like he could operate the company I want to win tomorrow I think a lot. He was and so he needed a guy like me and.

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Another word he was really doing the work he was going to delegate everything to you to do. How he would do someone to work but he wanted somebody to back him up. Well and we've got to do that. Colonial said Stay here. You're not going anywhere. Yeah. So they sent me to Norfolk Virginia.

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OK so I packed everything I had in my car and headed up to Norfolk Virginia reported to work up there. I want to stay. I stayed up there a little over a year and got transferred to Richmond and quit. And why did you quit. You heard about a better opportunity now in Richmond Unfortunately at that particular time I was a part of it I faced a fresh them I said would you think a hard place to live because I so here I was this caddish kid now I was sent in from Atlanta.

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Yeah. And they didn't like and how sad to come in. Yeah it's like that in a lot of places now. I mean like that is that they had to I don't know what I still like that or not I was thinking. Well the world changes a lot to me you know.

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And while I was in office when I met the gal who later became my wife was it was a good thing you got there. If I had nothing else and some some positives about it. So that's where you met Ruth and how did that come about. Well she was working part time for clonal still was as a clerk.

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And I wished I was that I was working in. And so I was cute little thing there right in the cash register so. I go by and I go through. This is you know as you know you have a problem. She's watching as if you don't have a smile.

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I think he's supposed to smile a customized including me. So you got he got out of her case. Yeah and in that light around I ask if I die. And I asked several times especially while she said I don't. She was afraid of me she played hard to get so good he were persistent and how long did it take you how long did you court her before us to marry her.

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Maybe a year or some by that time at that time you really transferred. I'm going to have got transferred to Richmond and i already. Quit the cap'n inking and I came back to Atlanta because I flipped the cone. But she was up there she was in Morgantown West Virginia where she was and she was a singing cat was.

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And so when I quit the company and Richmond. I took out a coin in a flip that I'm going to Washington D.C. are going to Georgie. I thought about Dallas but only two sizes are coming. Because there were a lot of females in both places. So I'm glad I won.

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And then did you get back in touch with Ruth and any other come down. You know we corresponded and I visited a couple of times and then you popped the question. Fine yeah but by that time you had got a better job and a better job. I mean I don't mind something to offer that.

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So did you wish more than willing to come to Atlanta took our Wow. And me. So what more good well you know he wasn't more than whale and she did not commit a staff to think that fast but after a while. Yes. OK And what company did you go to work for a couple of companies.

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Now that's a big deal that you have to call a job. OK What were you doing for them but then I was an engineer also and I traveled around to different bottling plants. Even engineering work that they offered to about implants free. What year did you get married.

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In sixty three. OK You've been out of school for ten years. So you know man about town. I mean your car. Are Where were you living by this time. I was living in an apartment near twenty six straight off a truck has already run Georgia Tech. Again you stayed right in and out.

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Now did it when you married her. We used to working for Coca-Cola. Now I left them and going to work for company. Cal Pyrrhic about a company. And she's probably thinking what is this guy's changing jobs all of them. Money. Where are you going away. If you're going to marry her.

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What did you have to offer. Living when I mean the Atlanta. It's going to be you and Atlanta. You got married in sixty three. And did you go. Did you get married up in West Virginia. We got married in Atlanta. You did get married now Lana spent time she'd left Morgantown and I was working in Birmingham Michigan.

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Whoa that's a long time we have for their part. Yeah yeah that's a long commute to you didn't get to see very much of her she's working out there now. We didn't do it too often. So she quit her job. Or did she transfer she was a schoolteacher.

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By this time she wasn't with Colonial anymore. Now she never worked. Now she just as a clerk and she is that was your college she went to work for and she was actually down I visit her brother. And living with him while she during the summer and then when the summers I was she went back to college and Morgantown.

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And then she graduated took a master's and got a teaching job mission. Well before you got married. Yeah well so you married a culture college woman with a gainfully employed but the idea she would get a teaching job here in Atlanta. Then you have to she decided get married and we get a teaching job you know.

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And so one of the places I took after we got married we got married in July. So I was there but time for school started and I think I would say you Dr pression it Westminster. And that might be a good place water work. But. I also found out.

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Now you don't go looking for a teaching job and you lack already. Well they look outside. Yes. So so she could find a job that close at first not a bad idea. And so she found a pattern found a job in the cab Jenny teaching started teaching in September she did find.

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Well good for her. Yeah good teachers are hard to come by. You know. So where did you settle. Well lived in my apartment there. And actually when I circled there for awhile compatriots I wound him with an apartment over near him. Right which we need more room as well that that's how the young couple got started and I would look at the amber area and have an apartment over any of my area and you were starting with another new company now this one was been working would pick about to come in have about a year or so.

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Say to get what you're saying here. Pure covenant company pure carbonic any claim it is now if they sell carbon dioxide and it and I claimed it was pure. And hits and I'm with a company pure carbon carbon it happening. OK. It was pure carbon dioxide would anybody want that for you.

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I want a lot of things. Most of what people found that is useful. I don't know for combination. Now and that with no connection to your Coca-Cola job at all. And once you have just happened that. Actually. Cocoa one at some got Coca-Cola Company hired me call this company and tell them they had a good guy.

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Because my chances are going somewhere to go go up there was slim to none zero so he was looking out for you. So it was good to have a mentor like that so. It's like you went over and had an interview with him I had before I walked out of the office.

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Wow that's really great he has a worse. Established right here in Atlanta and well this was a bright they were headquartered in New York. And. So we made arrangements Mike. They were. They wanted to establish engineers out in the feel and all that branch offices and his is one of the brightest Now it didn't have an engineer.

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And they felt like they needed one predicts mention of the business and you liked it because you thought he went on a plane on time as long as they were in a more branched out things I got to do but. They missed set me off on. Somewhat of a training program and all and I went to New York City for a week.

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And it was like a vacation right now and had our big waves and Company and who I'd be reporting to because that's when my boss was lucky. What did you retire you started there is in the engineering position. What did you retire at I was a man engineering manager in Atlanta.

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As a company kept putting divisions together as I finally worked for the vision our campuses our They're our products where you're lucky enough to stay here. The whole time. Yes that's pretty doggone lucky you because after we got married. Is. I was supposed to been transferred to New Orleans but.

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So they shipped Alabama everything else to New Orleans and they kept delaying it kept delaying it. In fact and two divisions merged. It didn't happen and so I was at a meeting in New Orleans hanging is that me here and I the guy I was going to port to I just made in right then and there that meeting.

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And I says I Some about what do you live and I says Atlanta he says You can live in Atlanta. He says You live in New Orleans. Because he had all records now that's where I lay are slow to change. And so I convinced him I really haven't and I've flown down to this meeting from Atlanta Internet plane.

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And he says great we need an engineer and I don't have. And then if you didn't have to. You have family you were lucky that not their life. It was Harbor and that he did not care for you. So we did you and then decide to build up my house.

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Well but he decided to build this house here after we got married because US More be transferred and I said Look I've always heard that if you move into a new house. You can be transferred with an amount to do. So. We can track you this house bought it moved in and here we are living here everything here ever since you really like to look at sixty seven.

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That's really great even Here's the thank you. Sixty. Over the years your job changes that keep you interested in it but you never thought about leaving again. So you finally got what you needed when I was with them long enough and I was too late to leave. I would like to have laughed.

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Really. Just stay with the company was bought out by and bought out you know. So by the time you retired it was called British B.O.C.. British action coming. Which. At that time they were world's largest producer and seller of auction. Which is pretty I'm a pretty big and people think that.

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You work for the cell of the people. And that's not the case and I know that was only about a fraction of one percent of the business I think it's a difference. We don't know those things we don't know what the people say what's name of that company.

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Will say to management straight has never heard of it. First of all. And because I worked with. Nick would match chain quite hard and a great healer. I think with common Actually I had no homework. And. That one time we were going to world's largest producer and sell of helium.

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Because for some reason or other after the Second World War someone in airco at me look at his house and buy process and photographs of something and it was a lot of aerial photographs made a pole on. And there were huge helium. Fields in Poland. Showed a negotiated with it.

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He then took years. And we would ship it like we had a plan a notice Kansas. And we ship liquid helium from oldest changes to New York. Our southeast said it feel that the next surprises me because of course that it's a gas now underground it's a natural gas that has to be tapped and I see there's so much we don't know about things and say we can read you talking about the kind of helium that we used to blow up the loans and yes I think now we would haue that by liquid in trucks now that at that time say going back and say in the late sixty's.

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These trucks. Cost a quarter of a million dollars. That was very very expensive. And they were very well insulated you could how liquid helium from his cage is to say no New Jersey probably wouldn't rise more than want to graze Kelvin. All want to graze Fahrenheit in that state that something.

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Well flush out it was so expensive. You didn't want to lose in yeah I guess. Give me an interesting career I don't just think area our industry that people just don't know much of balance that's going to me and weed out how the helium and placing because Craig South Carolina.

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Which. For one of our top baseball players came from. Some company built this large plant down there to be a liquid helium containers that would put three M. on a vessel and he could say only ship liquid helium all over the world and so he came up with a way.

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Helium was used as a shield for the welding. I think. And he's. Containers that will probably ten or twelve stories high. And have to float him down to die. I understand when you engine years you had this coming together. You know. Meanwhile back in. Lana. You had a family.

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Tell me about well. We were married I guess for about five years for we first child came along. And he was a boy. And now. We had to get up early in the morning and it was raining go down to Piedmont Hospital and we go on. And then out he was the third and so we named him third and.

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Later on we had another one. She kept hoping I would get home cause I thought turned out I was up in danger because she started having up that she need to go to the hospital and so she kind of I don't want to neighbors to come over and maybe have heartache get I went to the hospital that time I showed up.

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Good you got here and tiring to get at the hospital and I guess we were there for about an hour for a second was my wow that was going to want to heck of a lot of time. And I've had other boys twenty six months. OK So just a couple years apart and so we named him Courtney which is after her father.

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It's wonderful. So you this is where you raise your boys are two boys and I have to ask did you influence them to go to Georgia Tech my None whatsoever not whatsoever because that's all they say me pretty smart kids and so when I started elementary school I was teaching in a mother protection table at the breakfast table and dinner table and the wife just didn't care for that too much as math does not want to perform.

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And they had a long way to go to elementary school to get into the street. So you never saying ramblin rack you never to go to ever miss when it went to hold enough and all in high school we took a football games. And family they tell me to the oldest What if that is going to apply where did more to go to any more football games cause they didn't win all of the game.

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He wanted to go with the weathers like yeah when he applied for college he ply anywhere besides Georgia you know. So he got to help us learn how to swim just. But I did Georgia Tech he decided that's where he wanted to go. Because I gave him an option.

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You can go to school. Anywhere you want to. It was outside the state of Georgia you pater difference. And that's an influence in fact it is their thing. And the fact that they were very bright. He was very bright. You know one encouraged him to go to tech and that has to be an encouragement was younger brother me.

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Yes As a general brother plaid to several other **** it up shows to go but she was going to charity and one of the screws I won't name it kept our from a scholarship and a closer I got September is the better the scholarship was getting got us as a corner you going to so there he says you know well.

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That's just one of the prior year where he says I want to go to school there. So he started to take it in the meantime he was going with this smart older brother who was on a danger list. And I think Courtney got through high school basketball just.

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He didn't look like he had to be up for tell you do be nearly as smart as I want a brother. But something happened I have to go over there. It changed changed. Some reason other side it hey I'm just a smart is that you know but you know listen on my to Dean's List ten of the twelve quarters.

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He made a dean's list. Eleven of the twelve call Isn't that something you're so watch that they're both very bright and they meet the right choice for the school and they they both went right into engineering right in engineering. And you always want color him tray out. And he said he was going to tell your electrical engineering I said why are you straight steady and they said that's a hard course he says I don't know.

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He says. I'm a major study they make the most money when you get out of school but. It's very practical. Yes and for doing so. And I say decided on that and the other one would. With mechanical cause he liked and they didn't shoot him. And today what are they doing what does Wright trip trip after before he got out of college he decided he wanted to be an attorney.

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So he took the L.S.A.T. and he checked with people and all of what happened to him and our people you know did go to law school and after graduating. And the time he finished in top ten percent of your class he made a difference which go you went to you could get a good job.

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So he was accepted by hammering Georgia and a couple other skaters and the reason he went over to ask them to go there. That was the cheaper since he was going to pay for yeah cause we helped him some Yeah. So he did get his and got his law degree in Athens and what is he doing it today he is a patent attorney with his own one man firm in San Francisco.

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How would you do in Silicon Valley. How interesting. He is tech background is helping him a whole lotta reason to get the job out there in the first place because he graduated from Georgia Tech. It never hurts and. So people ask you why don't you have you're not a great friend.

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He says well that what I think you still hasn't got it framed in reality. So he got that in ninety three and he had be enough to have it take to grade or what counts. And he he married. He just got married a few months ago and. He is going to me.

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I mean I start there. Face start a family which is faced with twenty hands. It's got to start with two and I had to gallop he married. I think she graduated from university Toronto. Well OK. She's from Windsor who was her and she had been out. So much just got up about ten years.

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And she worked as a very very good job with Google. Not as a lawyer but. She practiced law and when's a. Decided she didn't really like that moved out. Sam Sisko so they You'll have to go visiting your grandchildren out there when attack comes according to his brother.

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They will probably move back to Atlanta. You think they'd side of that you don't think Sam is Christian. So the sky was a place to raise children really well they don't get a lot of sunshine there. Don't get a lot of sunshine in fact we were talking with them about two or three weeks ago and they were moaning groaning says everybody is same as this guy was moaning groaning cause me had been about fifty eight degrees and cloudy thought it was like something get warm there until September.

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It's pretty cool over one month out of the year as what we just love to have some right now. You know not tell us about Courtney but he wouldn't think it would get Courtney. Got a job with the company and Piper come to believe in flour and after there were While changed to a company in Savannah very different kind of work.

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They manufacture medical products was a German friend. Then he decided somebody disappears now. It formed a company in Atlanta selling computer systems in hopes of thanks to banks. So. He came to work for them. So he's back in Atlanta now. But for the time being and that one of the guys he came to work for.

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Was Tripp Brackley. Who has a parking spot. At Georgia Tech to come to the basketball games nearest to the walkway going to. The only place where the park is but closer. Is Far Falla How about that and also the so he still pretty active when he's in town with Georgia Tech stuff and so Courtney site at Jabot the banks now didn't want cut out for him in the meantime this company called him from Savannah and told him they had a job opening.

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But a company they had just bought in California just south of Santa Barbara. And says that the guy who bought it coming from own it says you would be only person he knew. They could operate. So you gonna have to show us how really knows that he bought a house and the Cater he left and when it made it went out to California.

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I sold a houseful I'm in a cage and went to closing everything for him and put the check in a bank line. And so he's going to make it a lot like Well we're coming to that. So he later on he gets married. And she marries her hero.

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She graduated from Mary's College in Raleigh and she was from Richmond and she had gotten a job out there and no one would work in an aisle for this architecture firm in Ohio and now. So they decided to get married so they got married in about four years ago.

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They decided they didn't want that lifestyle any more so. Some friends of theirs operated some maternity stores operate a motor store which also had to be good friends now. My oldest son in San Francisco. So they chitchatted now inside the company line and open up a maternity stuff really he had helped fix this house that he did he bought from Santa Barbara.

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And made a huge profit. So with that private he moved to Atlanta bought a house in Harley Heights which is across the railroad tracks from Atlantic Station and started its missions maternity store in Bunnings. And she really. But a year and a half ago. Is that going Laos going well in the meantime they have another couple had a maternity just I went down pastry just south of the Houston's in that little shopping center behind Houston's And so they are about them out of but for much else on there.

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They have too much understand was in Atlanta and I'll do maternity so he has almost enough to keep him busy Alula. Almost not. Quite not quite because he was like I tell my son if you don't get more you don't get in trouble. It's always better to be good.

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Yes and I saw how well he does Howard computer work our pricing the whole works for both of the stuff was and. Does a few other things but he doesn't say I'll call she said we don't have any one anything in here but women but yeah. Well that's great.

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So he's really kind of freelancing just wait. I am done with you like. So I think we do an almost enough and I want to still as a human kind of lashed out and I want. Well that's great and a cancer here in town and town you soaping his older brother is going to join you all here.

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He thinks is our brother way because I communicate with each other a lot and they're probably close. They're close in age. And I think visited back and forth when I lived in Santa Barbara in France go and she has to go out to our shows to buy and she goes I'm lost and just how fresh go.

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And so I want to go to first go he goes along. Let's great. That's wonderful. Now you've been a busy boy with Georgia Tech you got involved with the North Metro Club Noir and have been a scholarship chair there for a good little laugh eight years have just given it up.

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You've just given it up now lot a lot of money has come out of that size that you belong to the lunch bunch or yeah I'm fine group of you guys make it people and their every week every Monday from it obvious to Jim. And they take the summer off and they go back into it again.

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So you'll be going back again. You get to football games. Go to our football games go to some of our town games. So you're a real RAM would regularly ramble where they are wherever they're going to be. Yes And when you think back of it after telling me all the story today and you think back to that time.

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Can you see how I can see that it's really quite a miracle that you were able to overcome all of that lawyer and you're truly. What we call somebody a self-made man who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps. I hope you're proud of that I am cause. I've just enjoyed it and I think graduating today was probably one of the better things to happen.

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It was a smart move. Right. It really was it was a smart move and interview and he's young people for the scholarships. I do for the present scholarship outsell and watch for invention reinterviewed I was with present scholarships in the sky boxes at the hack. So there you have presses them quite a bit.

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Yeah. And now and you can hardly believe the caliber of them can get all caution amazing blow sure my hand always hard to choose because they're also qualified. Yes It's too bad we just don't have more money. Yeah well that's the goal we always try to go from want to get more scholars.

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This is the first year the president's program has more females than males. Yes although that hasn't skewed the population coming and we're still only at thirty percent of the male But it's interesting that the P P S P program has got more females that we think that for some reason rather than all for sure.

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It began has it gotten lazy and I ask you. Maybe you're right that could be you know to get. Confident over sure those eyes or whatever and one of the right program and it's wonderful that you get some of your time to help with that we really do appreciate that.

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And one of the hardest are you just questions I don't know what you do is not advice kids history and he thousand years ago and have Brightmail refresh. Now let's go to questions. One is why do so many people flunk out attack. Absolutely. If you do just as well not as many as you think and I just I might tell you how they want to help.

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Your wife my home. You don't have anyone telling you what to do you gotta learn how to manage yourself and I love them don't. I do. There are some I'm down and I thought now it's not because I'm not smart. Now it's because they're very vulnerable and they're not paying attention to commonsense things and I think the reason I do this because I enjoy watching people like you come along.

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When I would leave intact in good hands and. My second question. Well one of us flak. Why did I do this. Why do you do it when I see. OK stuff so well and that's interesting that they would ask you that. And I'm glad you gave them the right answer.

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Yeah well all in all it's quite a story you've got plenty of to be proud of and I hope your children and your grandchildren and your great grandchildren will look back at it. Your story this day that we're recording today and realize that you are a real scholastic hero.

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Well I'm sure that when you think come easy. And I both my son and I didn't really appreciate Georgia Tech until after I got out if you like. When it happens. Yeah. You were appreciative as you were going along because you were working so hard. Yeah I felt like it was my direction.

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Yeah but the kids today know they wait we tell them that just wait. You can hardly wait to get out. You'll get out and you gonna realize how important it is that's that's when the going gets good. Yeah that's a lot of time going to talk about games we go to football game kind of town with a lot of people that we know that we enjoyed it so I really I'm surprised being a rock.

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You know knowing that you're part of something that's so very wonderful make such a difference in the world. Thank you so much Bill for sharing your story with us today and a pleasure being with you and I appreciate you being under the hot lights all of this time and thank God you have your condition.

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Yes indeedy and thank God he's gotten his life out. Thank you so much.