OK team. So I thought he movie a great speaker or if he's amazing to learn from her how she and her inner or LOT of necessity scenes. She kind of like needed to be kind of cared either in markets or in business will sue in bring about your solutions to services. I miss it. Even as she was speaking to her mother as you must know the we were in there and you miss your mother. There's just one thing. So I thought you know Maisie right there. So I welcome you and then Mary. I think you're not lucky. Thank you. Hey everybody. I'm so close minded that all of you. I want to talk to all of you go separately. To just push one button. I'm technically challenge which is spot this really fits really well. My husband laughed and said You're speaking at Georgia Tech you know use laughing. Within a five year period. My husband Frank and I took care of and lost his mother and his father and my father and that was about the time I was thirty five. So when my daddy died he was a retired physician. And when he died. I inherited my mom she was only sixty two. And at the time we didn't know what was wrong with her yet she just couldn't live by herself. We knew there were major issues going on but we had not gotten to the point of figuring it out and dad had been sick. He wasn't one of those in denial family caregivers. It was just that we had not gotten to the point of figuring it out and he died suddenly. So there we were. I was thirty five in Atlanta mom was sixty two living in a small town in North Carolina couldn't live ourself My background's corporate marketing and P.R. and advertising. Well I had to just kind of walk away. Luckily that had planned well and we had long term health care insurance and I had a husband who worked out that I don't know what the hell we would have done but I was able to stop war. And I was that able to go down to North Carolina and bring mom back to Atlanta. And she lived with us for four years. And it turns out that she was diagnosed at Emory at Wesley Woods with all timers and later the diagnosis turned into Lewy body dementia. As is often the case. It takes a while for people to figure out what Louie body is now. How many of you have never even heard of Louie Body honestly. OK. It's basically a combination of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's kind of. That's the easiest way to kind of explain it so people can wrap their arms around it but it's very different people with Lewy body dementia their memories much better. I remember they know more of what's going on. They have a lot of movement issues. It's like. They're bright and isn't telling their body. What to do. Kind of a little aerialist ish in a way. When mom was living with that she would get up to go to the bathroom during the nine. And she'd come and get me started sleeping upstairs across the hall from. And she'd come and get me because she couldn't remember how to get back in the bay had her body. You know I think about to get into bad. You've got to go OK. And they deposit my family right here so that when asked. The pill is here. There's a lot of thinking and that has to happen just to get in the bay it and she knew what she wanted to do but her brain won't let her do it. And with the Lewy body dementia the people are aware that they can't do this stuff and they're very frustrated and it's just very disconcerting. So anyway as she was living with us. I just started learning everything I could and going to every class and every A variant kind of became a training for a little training group B. and I went to every all timers every dimension every aging every caregiving thing I could find and over those four years. We started using every long term care service later mom lived in the living but this primary part I'm talking about is while she was living with this in the home. We used in home care we used adult day care and what happened was all those different. Professionals that I would go and talk to. They'd never heard of Lewy body dementia either. So I ended up kind of being a teacher you know I got really close doll the docs over it. Wesley Woods at Emory and I ended up teaching people and working with the Lewy body dementia Association and with my marketing background trying to help. Teach people what this stuff yes. So that's just a little bit of background so well what happened while mom was living there other than having a very different life. I don't know how to do that. Us. OK. Technically challenge mom couldn't use the remote control. You know she just couldn't use remote control. And as I read and studied that's really something that happens with tons and tons of older people. Hell I can't even use them. I can't even do these buttons right here. So since Mom couldn't do the remote my husband and I were like what mom can't do it. How many other people are having these problems. So we started really thinking about that and looking at it and my husband Frank his background is in video and film and the equipment of that. So we just were like really scheme and talking about this and so you know. Seriously how many of you even use all the buttons on your remote you. I don't even know what all those buttons are and now that I'm forty four. I'm starting to have that you know that happens or you know and it just just popping up really fast and so I'm starting to have this little I say and I can't even see the words of God but Nias you know so. I decided I was going to go out and do a lot of marketing analysis. I was wearing my old school had of my old job for fifteen fourteen years and I went out shopping and I went online and then I remembered. This is like. In two thousand and four work right. So the Internet was going but it's nothing like it is now in terms of aging and caregiving stuff. So when you're looking for a remote for older people they have this right. They have this. OK. This is a normal remote it has upwards of forty buttons where you have to do this and if I'm in my thirty's and I can't even do it. And you know at that point and I'm not like a stupid girl I'm not a Georgia Tech girl but I went to Chapel Hill. Even though to Sebastian ball must figure you know if we can't get on with it. What about the older folks. There's this. But look look at the definition of the colors in the words you know there's the children's market somebody in the children's market came up with this we moped and this is actually really cute and clever. And they decided that since it worked for kids they would just say well we're just going through it in the aging market right now it. It's so not intuitive We borrowed it and tried to use that I couldn't even understand. I mean I was like. Well I don't know what I'm supposed to do. And my mom certainly couldn't use it. So with all of these we kept talking to Mom the whole Tom like she was she was our control group that's what you scientists. And we couldn't we couldn't do it. So we were like no there's bound to be a better way. This thing came out lighter and it's actually very cool. It's knobs like old school like turning the channel bombs. So this one is Cole like to us. But that's still didn't get it. That didn't resonate with mom and so also. As we were talking about this. When I go and pick mom up at different places. I've talked to that the people that were in adult Di with her and then sit down and visit with them and I'd show them some of that stuff. And so that's what the competition laws and we said there's got to be a better way. There's got to be a better way. The need you know once you really sit look at all the people who need something simple. And when you really start to analyze the fact that. There is a world of people that need simplified technology and then I learned all about. There's this whole assistive technology thing and I got all excited and started going to those classes and sessions too but nobody was really doing it from wearing the hat of the users in my opinion. People weren't addressing who these users needed who they were and what they needed. And it just really bothered me you know I started really focusing on this. And I mean just look at how many cognitively impaired people we have. Look at just people with vision impairment. We know the boomer market. We know what's happening. We know that we are an aging world. So our. Figured we've got to do something about this. And we know that people want to be able to be independent and remain in control of their life for as long as they can and if they can't even do something as simple as work in the television or God blessed us you know that's a minimal thing that they should be able to do. And I learned that so many people with dementia who are starting to have symptoms. That's one of the first things they really notice and have trouble with that they can even do that. That's one of the first things that families notice and it calls the so much frustration and sadness for the people themselves. So we can mask and we can look in and think in there. Stuff like this you know how you know what if regular remotes get lost in the cushions. Now this are really like this. This one very simple elegant but there's no contrast. And it only works with T.V.'s not cable nothing else. And there's no color contrast. So one day I had a vision and something just counting to me and I guess it was just awesome. Most of having really studied and studied and learned about dementia and learning about all of this than I kept here and John Stanford speak. Abnett out travel all over the country going doll these aging conferences I learned about universal design. I thought that was so cool and this is what I made up. You see with your eyes so that how you change the channel. Channel up channel down. You hey you're with your ears. So that's how we adjust the volume green means ago and it makes you smile when you turn it on red meaning start. And as a stop sign. It's just the most basic things that we have learned when we were a lark eighteen months old we learned the parts of the face. We know when we're little babies. You see you raise your. I mean we learn these things we know them. And when you really think about it. I didn't know this. But there's this whole thing called Face recognition theory. And there's the theory of those and it and it proves you know that we know these things about the parts the face when we're really small yet you think that yeah. And so I was all into this you guys would be so appalled it held any Rames of paper off printed on brown nose. The other thing is like us. So it's updating my computer so yeah. There's also OK we already talked about universal design. So of course this thought was like for people with dementia. But then it was like wow this can work with people of all to them if you work with people who have who have vision impairment because pretend that it's actually a working prototype. Emperor Tand that was largely the buttons LIDAR. You can really feel the push when you push it. It has a click tactile effect pretty end there. You know there's some other kinds of feedback like they could live. They could even talk for people who had vision impairment. There are all kinds of things technology wise. We know that can be done. To make it even cooler and pretend for a minute that on the back of that remote. There's a screw panel. For safety. Screw panel and that's where you can go in and do the programming. And program in only their favorite channels because think about this who watches two hundred seventy nine channels and who even knows what channel their show comes on so well you were not my target market them I'm not. Yeah. But so so far in the back. You know this is that fancy at all. This is in a sense you drawing in the back with the screws thing you know you screw it off and it's very simple programming. We know these smart T.V.'s can go ahead and scan and little of that and find the right T.V. code and then we also know that we need somebody else to probably do this programming for them obviously for the children or for the aging adult or for the child with autism or from whomever. So all of this stuff can be done in the back. And. If you wanted to talk and speak the button functions you could have. Do that or you can turn it off. It's really kind of endless when you start thinking about it but that just kind of gives you an idea of what the thinking is and it's all possible all that kind of stuff exists. We know that. So the other thing is. Montessori theory for kids this totally focuses and supports Montessori. Because the whole issue with Montessori theory with kids is that you focus on what they can do and you give a lot they can do and with all older adults and especially people dimentia we never want to remind them of what they can't do we always want people to feel successful in all of these types of people we're talking about. And then there's this guy by the name of Dr Cameron camp. I adore him. So I met Cameron at a conference years ago. And so this wasn't you know his he has taken the whole Montessori theory with kids and he's translated it. So that it works for people with dementia. And it's phenomenal. And I've taken a lot of his workshops and I've done it. And it works and. So I talked to him about this. I showed him this. I talked to all the different doctors and neurologist and all kinds of different people and it's like yeah my god it. I took that little thing and did not scientific focus. You know I did qualitative groups with people and I'd sit with them and I'd ask them what do you think this thing is I get it. I know I know they get it. My little nephew when he was two I said well what do you think that is he said eighteen the president tell of it for the team he has it to Moat and maybe he got it and. The other saying with kids. We don't want kids watching all that stuff on T.V. We want to have them only watch in the channels we want them to watch. So the beauty of this is that this face concept could be Sponge Bob It could be Bert. It could be Ernie It could be Mickey Mouse. It could be Dora the Explorer could be Thomas the Train with a little creativity this where my license product marketing background came and I found a great patent attorney and. We decided we were going for this we were going to go for you see with your eyes you hear with your ears. You can't really go for stops on right. But the whole concept of controlling what you see with your our eyes. And want to hear with your ears the utility patent just granted in the U.K. Our design patten of that just granted in the United States. And we have a patent pending. In the E.U. Canada and other different kinds of applications for it in the United States and I just talked to Ralph yesterday and he had just gotten off the phone with the patent guy in. The Office and. The concept of the utility Patton should grant by the end of this week. So that a lot. Not only just for a T.V. remote. But it a lie. Al's using it on other kinds of remote. And using it on other kinds of products because the interface is what's been missing now. I want to come back to something else in terms of dementia. There's this whole thing called retro Genesis. And that is what we know about people with dementia is they remember longest but they learned a long time ago. You know they might not remember what they said two minutes ago or the people with Alzheimer's. Because a lot of us that the dimensions are different but paypal as they age with dementia and as the dimension declines a lot of times people forget recent things but they remember things they learned their outcomes other scientific names for those kinds of theories but we remember we remember. Red means stop. We remember that we see with our eyes and that we hear with our ears. So as I've explained. You know compared to the. Competition that we looked at it's so much more intuitive. It's visually understandable. And fun. It's funny. At first we were worried about people with dementia early stage dementia or older people in the older. Well they'd be embarrassed and think this is childish. Well we've in our own way tested that to know that I think it's fine. And in talking to all kinds of people about this paper like one because I can't work my way. And there's the whole you know concept for the boomers what it could be for us. Boomer types. It could be more like a Mr Potato Head concept because that was more in our era right. And then there's this other there's this really dear dear dear friend of mine. His name is Dr Richard Taylor. Has anybody ever heard of him this fella. Is amazing. He's the Ph D. psychologist and he was a professor at Rice University for years. Brilliant. He was a counselor to the counselors and he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's when he was fifty eight years old. And he's sixty seven. Now I just turned sixty seven. And he is actually one of the first advocates for people with dementia who is the person with. And he has travelled all over the world. Telling people what it feels like to have to Mencia and explaining to them what it feels like because and he's been able to do it from a psychologist a brilliant way you know he's written a book called Alzheimer's from the inside out. It's a book of his essays and he explains in they are what we're all so afraid of. He tells us what it feels like and my husband and I did this. With him and it's we we videotaped him speaking at a conference that I helped hold for the culture change network of Georgia and he's telling us you know. Alzheimer's is called The Long Goodbye. When somebody is diagnosed. People start stop talking to us they start they stop coming to talk to us they ignore us and he talks about that in a way that's remarkable. And so the way after first met him. I heard him speak at a partner network conference over five years ago. And I was blown away. And I have that little mark up. And I wanted to know if he thought that was childish or if he thought people would be a share or embarrassed or I wanted his total honest opinion. And we sat in that bar and talked for about three hours in. We've gotten to be very dear friends and he comes and stays that our house for a week each time and I'm actually having to gig when he comes back. I'm trying to get him a gig to go talk to the doctors at Emory. But we've done all kinds of learning and questioning with this not in your scientific way. But we've gotten a lot of stuff done. We've we've run it by a lot of you know. Professionals. And so. In the meantime. I love this quote making the sample complicated is commonplace. Making the complicated simple all some Lee simple. That's creativity. I think Beth. As I was talking about. That the concept of changing what you see with the eye and changing what you hear with the. Could be entered graded into lots of other different product lines. You know I'm sitting there hearing about all this in home monitoring and all this and I'm going on. What about the papers like to me chair and the people who need simplicity. We're we're designing things too hard. We're not putting ourselves in their shoes and there's all this amazing stuff that you guys all do but we've got to make sure that the people can do it you know. So I'm talking to a cow right now. Who said Mike and some digital picture for I don't know. It's constant like a computer for nursing home people and he wants to use this you know as part of his project. So all kinds of cool stuff. Scott went on and this. This is like the marketing page what would we do how would we get this out there and we haven't made it. We haven't made this because quite honestly writing money is quite a problem and quite honestly I haven't even been spending time trying to raise money because I've gotten so involved in the culture change movement. How many of y'all know about the culture change movement. OK. Am I talking too long to how do. Can I have a few more minutes. OK. About twelve years ago. They were there were a group of professionals scattered all over the country. And they were so disgusted by health nursing homes are they were trying to transform nursing homes. And D. institutionalized nursing homes now saying homes were started really modeled after hospitals. So if you think about it for a minute when you go to move into a nursing home. You lose all sense of sail. You know longer get to choose when to wake up. When to go to bed. What you want to eat when you want to eat when you want to bet they wake you up and sit in the hall for two hours and maybe you get taken to the bathroom and it all the whole gig is based on the efficiency of the institution. And the whole culture change in the moment is all about changing that. So that. It's changing the culture of how we all think. This is their home. You know and we've got to deal to Chena lives. The institutions that are providing care for elders and doing things for elders and put them back in control. When would you like to wake up you know would you like a shower or a bath. And a lot of it's basic stuff that we don't even think about intil were in it. I didn't think about all this stuff until I was doing all this with my mom. And thank you and I realised how awful it was and I went out looking luck and looking for a better way especially for people with dementia and a found out about the national. Culture Change movement and the national organization that's doing that is called the Pioneer network pioneer Network dot net and they are the leading organization that are leading the trail live. They are tied in nationally with all the big aging organizations off all of them. They're also tied in with C.M.S. the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid and this has become a to do see in mass is requiring this kind of thinking now. So it is the future and in two thousand and eight I met Walter Coffey I'm sure some of you all know him with aging services of Georgia and we founded the culture change network of Georgia. Because we didn't have anything going on. We were the thirty first state and imagine there. So in the past two years we've really been trying to teach and get the word out about this culture change movement in this day and this whole world of design and technology and universal design all of this stuff fits within this umbrella of the culture change movement. So I brought handouts. So you guys all have some information about that we were just we have a conference every year a summit a culture change summit and it's only in October. We don't have like regular meeting share but we're will get there. So I just wanted to let you all know about that. So you can check out our website. And in terms of the remote. I've been workin so hard on this person centered care and working with Richard on humanizing dementia care and that type of thing that I know that one day something really good going to happen with this remote. And in the main time our patents are granting and I'm just feeling positive. So that's my story I don't have any questions I hope that it never While mean I'm a little passionate when I talk about all this stuff. Yeah you know it was made to work right. But it was a little but you know we all have so many without work which is that there are and we've talked to different companies that make all these things and there are universal code and that's what's hard to Michael working remote unless you're all hooked in with the universe code people and there are universal code. That can be embedded in there and when you go to the back and you push the like found my T.V. button it can find your T.V. one of the biggest challenges is when you've got the cable box and the the remote. I mean and the T.V. you know how sometimes they say they get out of sync. That's the scariest biggest problem. But I know some you smart technology people can figure that out. So that war is over. Did he tell you that in drawing color on the rubble which doesn't mean it's you. But if you actually rest on the idea and you know what's so interesting. You guys. If you go online. There are blogs and blogs and blogs about people who say alters are having trouble the television on the label like this is a huge problem. How many of them later plod for a grant to gather all timers Association had a grant that I found called What was it called like technology an aging for dementia or something. And so every day technologies for something aging designer. And so we along with Claudia we got folks from the V.A.. We got folks from neurology at Wesley Woods. We had a real good kind of compendium of people pulled together to to do a project. We didn't get the grant. It wasn't much money. So it didn't matter what much money you always say that you don't get a grant right. But we all know how funding things are right now especially in this kind of realm but there's there's a name. There's the name. Yes Yes Thank you for saying that. Thank you darling a year and a half two years ago. Oprah had something with H.D. and with the home shopping. What is it H G T not H.D.T.V.. It was and I just in IT WAS THE OTHER ONE T.V. see Oprah had been with Q V C called What a great idea or something like that. And we apply it. We got chosen. And we actually went to Philadelphia outside of Philadelphia to the Q C headquarters and pitched. And they loved it. Key V.C. loved it but we have it. We did have it made you have to have it made to be on T.V. See this whole full full full but there were totally into it. The guys like get back in touch the other thing is there's something called the Silicon Valley baby boomer Business Summit business plan competition and we ensure that in two thousand and eight we did this. So first we had to write our executive summary and that made it then they wanted the business plan that we had to run our business plan and we got chosen. And we went out to Silicon Valley and pitched and we came in second in the general category. So that was really cool. That was exciting as. We've done all that stuff a lot of a lot of the calls are really kind of made up silly because there are two different hats. OK so for retail we're thinking thirty four ninety five right in terms. If you get really specific funky stuff on the inside you could even have a higher level one for higher needs kinds of people. So you could have a smarter one in terms of doing the making of it. If you're doing it and the right kinds of quantities that totally will work and that will work with selling it. The price points for the different retail channels. In terms of us trying to be manufacturers it really doesn't really make sense. It's slightly and silly stupid because well finding a manufacturer partner but I don't want to they're Paypal how to do it. So if you have the right thing. So the deal is really the ideal thing is to license it to people who are already my can all the stuff we don't want to make this stuff. I want to go out and teach about humanizing dementia care and culture change. I want to take people to treat people with dementia like human beings. You know this is part of it. This is part of it but I know that we can find the right people. And we just haven't quite had time yet and I just wish that this somebody would come and say well let me just take that and run with it. I'll make it work. So one that you know I don't know I'm being and I'm just feeling real positive. What do you all think does this does this make sense to you. Does this interface make sense. You ask especially wanted to thank you. After your book said Every day I think I've even quoted giallo in my business point which is why so. Rice is here and for a lot of words that we have here the biggest Has this is the man you know the race is this vision was right in this it's still here. Yeah. So it's one of us with was that great even though it's a great facility. You want some familiar words. So you know I certainly share. As we said a problem was you know many years. It really allows us to ask so much. That's why we did. That's why we did a plus and a minus. Because even upside down. It still works. We did it because even if it's upside down. Plus minus works as opposed to do an arrow. And you can seal it. You know. And for people who can't say well if it's a as it then that's another because we never quite what's going click in people's brains. They might need to see it hear a day and feel it you know we don't know what's going to work for him at that moment. So it can be set up so that all of those things can happen or if it bugs you you can deprogram it back there. So it shuts up and doesn't keep talking and you can set the volume to stay at a specific volume so that it couldn't get lowered by accident. And. In terms of you know I'm thank and how cool is that if like a nursing home assisted living. Let's say your mom is getting ready to Meghann What are her favorite shows. Well I could have that already programmed for her favorite shows and how nice and welcoming that is and how personal you know how sad. I'm going to see and to think you to make some great points and that you know the major things you're saying to me that's right on there was I'm encouraged by years. Technology is moving in the right direction in terms of your trials making Yes Well yeah taking complexity to make things simple in some ways it's more of working in our favor. Which means processing power and really excel writing so now you can have an i Phone and now it's finally enough processing power station enough with the battery life so that you can have tough frames those kinds of things we were dealing with just simple see the latest versions you know Microsoft's new operating system when you're sat in his native support for touch right. So will every copy buy you buy stuff from here. It works for Madison you find different models all five of them work. Right right. And you get big simple i Phone users. I thought was the nicest T.V. remote but but but all this stuff even the processors in the remote are getting much more powerful. Yeah. Which means you can hear that a lot of this program destruction's simplified an entire stranger right. So well and and you know in my gut I know all that. So I got one out. Not all the time and I'm following what's going on with the end. Monitoring and I bugged him all along. What are you all doing when he wouldn't because with the touch screen stuff. This could work right on the touch screen and how monitoring you know in so many different ways even on like a telephone kind of thing where it shows you the picture of who you're want to call. The all that kind of stuff you should say all my cheesy silly drawings that look like a five year old did it it would spread this whole table. Once you start really playing with it. It's kind of endless what all you can think of when else. I think that's all. They all know any. Rich people who want to take this and run with it but you know who do you. She knows best. So thank you so much for for indulging me and listening and let me share this story with you I'm sure it's touch me. But then so would you know me when you ask this but the dimensions thing I think is so important for you guys that our your I mean you're all in this world. We've got to really get people focused in on this whole this whole issue so that we planned one being I mean there are already so it's not right that. Control your home and do things like your harmony remote rights Yeah piece of that and get rid of all the buttons just you're just setting up for I want to watch a D.V.D. or a movie. It sets the lighting in the house the turns on the projector turns on the D.V.D. player. All you have to just put it in the box right. So yeah but I want somebody to program it for me I don't know that three hundred dollars motor or maybe slightly cheaper versions now but it has a lot of other buttons on the front of it for this type of patient and I think there's a programming out front. I've got a cold front. So at home. It's just a screen. OK harmony I'm used to all these promises upfront programming group of course along with the Civic specialist skills and you know it's got to get to the point of intuitive and so intelligent that it drops and so I come here I just don't my eight year old father replaced the wireless router in his house and we went to you know Best Buy got the links as it was very simple and I actually assisted him with. One two three four five it was done. Yeah. And he's got to get very simple but that means it has to be a mass market to be able to afford with that kind of software program to make the device. There are a couple other things about. Well that takes brains and well one of the things that thinking about pulling from not only the way by the good manager which also sometimes has a kind of disorder that he said and also. My friends were well known the way we were here a while back and that is why I can be problematic. That's all. And that's what angry lawyer. You get that with this part of the way or the fact that one of them. You call a lot and I was one of the things who were to do things for you and things to you or you knows that if you're taking medication that have really or you. You know you have a psychotic isn't that why they're balloon with him but yeah that happened to mention a lawyer and yeah it's you know that they can take a person into off a really bad place is they're going. And let me add to that that was the whole nother reason for gas. There's Because with Lewy body dementia people have hallucinations and major hallucinations mom was seeing purple monkeys in the backyard. There were little children with square hair in half square hands. I mean there are a lot of people's way body dimentia see children and animals and that's one of the main. Clues and something that I experienced and then Laurie and but I knew it before I learned it in a choir is exactly what you're talking about people of the Dimension do not need to be watching the news and C.N.N. and why. And that's part of what really got me on this was I want to program and the channels to prevent her from watching these things where she thinks it's real when Katrina was all going on. I had put mom into an assisted living for a couple weeks for a respite. I was going on a trip and Katrina happened and mom and her little friend were in the lady's road and stuff and towels under the door because that flood was coming and people don't think about that and the professionals that are working in these places haven't been told that yet. And that something that we need to really work to teach the professionals. Is you know that we're not trying to control what in a bad way like you're not allowed to watch that. But when it gets to a point where it's causing them crisis and trauma. We need to protect them from it all and the like to change you know the life and careers and so you don't need to have that kind of brain or rail or reverse commercial as one of the overstimulation we all complain about you know before you cruise so dramatic. I mean really going these facilities commercial running a company you know that's that's their activity. You know is that your motive that you have going for you here are two thirds. And at my house I love the commercials because that's majored in advertising. So I was like how much the commercials are all I know but there could be. I don't know. Yeah but there's a there's a lot that needs to happen. I guess and this is just makes the possibility for groups who are going to cause that we thank you thank you very much.