This is an oral history interview with and Marie Eaton, alumni and former faculty wives of Georgia Tech conducted by Maryland's summers on March the 3rd of 9999. We're at Mrs. eaten home in Atlanta, Georgia. The subject of the interview is her life in general and her experiences at Georgia Tech. Mrs. Eaton, thank you so much for letting us come here today. We're very excited to hear about your long, wonderful life. And so as I said, let's begin telling your story. Okay. Aba spawned in Mannheim, Germany, is located on the Wind River. It's medium-size town. 

It's an industrial town close to the city of xanthan, which is the seat of the GI problem in the study. And have as my pens where Claire and output bias. My father was born in Frankfurt and my mother came from an old family in Mannheim. And so I had a very normal life. You know, it was predictable. 

I was going to be a house five and I was going to be some mother of children as a hostess for my husband, as a successful as a successful businessman, how and why everybody has still child. And everybody predicted. 

But life lessons that predictable. We had. Our grandmother has a great influence on our life. She was born in plants. 

And that because hatch, Europeans, West Germans, they had to flee France in 1870 because of wall I say a between Pasha and plans. 

But my guided by the all her life still spoke with a French accent. 

I didn't notice that my dad mother would become so important in my life later on, she really was my model. And so he has a vendor kindergartner and ls, a total failure. 

I wasn't a musical and they had a little orchestra and I was allowed to do as satellite angle, and I couldn't even do that, so I quit. 

And since my birthday was in in November, I had a late entry into the school because the school was starting in September. And so had a wadi. And as it was custom, you would go on vacation four weeks a year. 

And there was always a big enterprise in our family because my parents, our nanny, my little brother, My maiden and her maid, and a few other relatives. 

So in 1914, we had planned to go to Switzerland. And city was called Engelberg, which means mountain of angels. And I was so excited. 

Now let's go and see the incidence in, in, in, in a band. We left. 

But before we left there was a big upheaval. The successor to the Australian troll phone was murdered in psi able for political reasons. And my fan, I'm not sure we should go because, you know, Germany has a contract with Austria. Weapon agreement if one goes to while the other one is to go to work. 

So he said, Let's wait. 

Well nothing happens. 

So the set of to go with a large number of family assorted family members to angle back. We got there, it was raining. 

And he knows I always save and somebody writes a novel, The, whether the mood of the people, well, that was the mood. It rained port and thundered in. My many would always say, Don't worry is they just play upstairs in the heaven. And you just here down here. 

We saw some people go to the bulletin boards and they discuss versus I was going to be a was finally my father came around in his said relieving and leave as a last people who were able to leave across a lake there with our luggage. 

All the other people lost the luckiest, but they came home and my father had to report because he was a reserve officer on the third day. 

But they send him home again because I didn't have the weapons to give to be noted. They have the uniforms. 

So my father came home for two more weeks. Anthony left. That was one of the biggest. Turn. In women's lives in Germany. They suddenly there and charts in middle-class families. Before that, the husband 3s1 CC. 

But from now on, they had to make some decisions. And another thing, women became volunteers. My mother suddenly appeared in a striped dress with a big red cross in front of her. And she vasodilate gloss lady. 

And that Srinivas, the first volunteer, you know, people still say I hit gold coins is in their pockets to spend. And so she say Mississippi collecting those gold coins. 

So we can make something reservoir i foot well as thoughtlessness, a permission for me to go out and collect gold coins. 

So I went out after school. I didn't come home and was collecting coins and suddenly serve as an attack. And my mother was his friend. She calls the police. 

Where was I advise my last collection? 

Well, a few years and schools changed, you know, nowadays people say it's a poor. 

People have to go in, Move over housing for schools, where we did two because there were no buildings to be built. And I remember one. Then housing had this huge oven in it. Stove, you know. And to heed in sometimes it was cold and sometimes at hat. 

But I must say they still got a good education. And on today's arguments that children could not get a good education and move with housing. Bologna and all this. Your early education, World War one was raging and you were still getting a good education. We still really good education. 

So at night we would have air attacks and we would have to go into the basement. And we lived in a very large apartment house. It belonged to my contents. And there was one lady and she would read to as the same book as the time. It was causes. The Bina Maya, which is a B by the name of Maya and addresses story of set B. And of course it board as to death. I still can remember, say group and I don't want to see it anymore. 

So badly. 

Children always hoped that it would be after 10 o'clock at night and they know why we didn't have to school the next day. And it was a serious thing. 

And because of the chemical factories that way now town and Zafar and Tavia, they aim their bombs at the effector is. 

So Mike, unless I, since my father was in the war and my mother just had previously died at the age of 34. She was one of the people who had been off the first varicose vein operations. And of course it didn't have any black finesse it that time and she had a blood clot and she died. We're still just a child. I was ten years old, my plus 10 almost 10 years and my father was only six. And so we then move to my grandmother's house. And so Mike, I've decided we were going to move because we ran going to have air attacks every night. 

So the first they have to remove the bomb fell in our backyard and it killed our bird ritual is terrible. 

So we move to Baden-Baden, which is a spa in Germany. And I went to school in bat and vat. 

And those that we say, Well, other kids whose parents had moved and the other kids, the bad and bad kids hated us because we already thought previous appeal to them because we came from a big city of Milan. They didn't that bad. I still remember. 

There was a lot of black market going on because there are many things you didn't have to eat in the, but mankind muthos a insists, she thought people thought BV unpatriotic if we would go and supply market. 

But there was one thing, milk. 

So our governess took us to a farmer's house to pick upset Blake market, link in, head, chickens and goats, everything in that house. And still today can smell that smell advice in that farm house. And that's how we get the milk at very vivid memory for they need memory. 

So we stayed in Baden-Baden and then later on returned home. And you know, you may know. Thereby said evolution in Germany. 

The Kaiser was sent, after a while, was sent back to Holland, where he chopped wood, which a lot of people say he did betas and govern Germany. 

And so it was a time my father had been transferred to civil war ministry in Berlin and they had what's called spot, I could say, which those with a communist. 

So he is still this. They say a full one that we had returned to my grandmother's house. 

And I remember sitting on the window sill looking out when some of those Spartacus people, we're climbing over, say, fence this in the yachts in the neighborhood. 

And frankly, the children on this hope they would commonly be could see me, you know, my grandmother had a stack of money on the windowsill and she said it wasn't worth very much at the time. 

And, you know, and they try to get through our Windows access for them and they will fight about money and we get rid off. And she had a plan ahead, plan my canvas I always had claimed for everything. 

So finally, my father returned forms of law and reach or inches export business. He was an expedition. And then after about three years, he had a male it. 

And that was also an experience to me because my step mother's background was entirely different from ours. Our count was quite social. And most people in business, my grandfathers, that a great contrast. 

That is the business to gay together with the administrator of the city of Mannheim as an export business. 

And so the business was handed down, which was a very German thing, you know, you would hand down your business. 

And my father, who's thought of as a stockbroker, couldn't inherit the stop for good business, that was against the law. If at times a seat at the stock market you could not handed down. 

And so he was looking for a job and he was offered a job at my grandfather's businessman mothers fathers business on my mother's side. And I think goal he married the buses starter. And so that's how those family name they came together. Came together. And my father, they turned to set the emily business. 

And he made this lady whose father was a very well-known lawyer, and her mother, before she was made, was a school teacher, which was unusual at the time. 

So my mother's pluses both via my step mother's voice where lawyers. 

So it wasn't entirely different thing, but they all got together and get well together. And we had this big Christmas parties, you know, in, in Germany that 2.5 days, Christmas Eve and Christmas, one day in the thickened. And we would eat our way around from one family to another. 

And so you really had a very happy childhood? 

I had a very happy childhood, even though it was a great trauma to the all over the world, the war, my mother had died and my grandma. It was a wonderful thing. 

We got into the hands of my grandmother's because the muscle as they elegant person and said beautiful teeth. 

And if I told you before, she spoke with this elegant French accent and she came from a long line of business people. Her father was, he was born at same time is Napoleon was defeated in 1830, 13 announce it. And he traveled in these times. Hate his passport, which I have given to one of my sons. And they were all this border cosines in it. And one to share, can you imagine to travel from Germany to asha in the codes. And he also had a book they hid homes in it. They'd been written by young ladies and they gave him say a curls. You know, it, it was over. We really were in touch with the traditional. Everything was very traditional. And he lived to leave us, I believe he was about 94. And his mother, whose picture I showed you was 96 and she died of measles. 

So you have a very long, I have relatives in 1907, 807, pardon me, in 7000 that live till they were almost 90 years old in that way. And you will, because people died early, extended advise they interesting family. 

And of course, but as it was a great family tradition, you know, that Grameen you early to have a career or were, you know, nobody thought of this. We're still going to be I was going to be a housewife and iOS. 

What happened when you started going into education? 

Well, I went into this one's called Layout gymnasium. 

Gymnasium, which is a school where you have modern languages and mathematics, and physics and chemistry and so forth. Friends of mine just graduated earlier and that just got out of high school. 

But we had this special education which you needed to go into college. 

But shortly after my father happily married, he contracted tuberculosis. And, you know, it's a time you didn't have any antibiotics. 

So he had a good Switzerland for and had to stay there because that's where you would go when you had tuberculosis. And things change because we suddenly didn't have such an affluent background anymore. 

So I really wanted to be a lawyer. 

But then they thought, well, if it ever should happens that I needed to make my own living in since my clay, my grandfather and my classes. Aside, less of a good artist. I had inherited the talent to pain. 

So we all decided that I was going extent by training in painting and art in west, go into the school and speak up to study art commercial app. And I did that. 

And after I got out from say Yeah, I got a job in a printing company and I was the only female in that studio. 

Now, you can imagine what happened inside studio, all the jokes and everything. Since a very young lawyer, what I write, I was I was close to 2020. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. 

But you can image in zoos, those others in that studio, you know. 

And but they, I think they kind of ascended said they suddenly had a girl in the end, they couldn't tell jokes anymore. 

But I stayed there till I got mad. And when was that Ned resonate? 1929. And you met your husband? 

Well, and this is a long story time. My stepmother, head assistant. Who news the pans of my husband. I also hate the test. 

In the same time, my mother my mother said chasm in the I think there was a conspiracy and they invited me to come and visit them, that there was only about 45 miles from my home town. It wasn't Council, which was the capital city at the time of the state of button. 

And I went there in our supposed to meet this young man, but I never did because he tail of a horse and hurt his knee. 

So I never saw him till a little late and say they invited me. My mother's cousin, Lia invited me where we finally met. And after about 2.5 to three years of coding, you got married. That and his name was you tell? 

Paul knows his name is name as else's violence. When he never wanted to hear the word tea because it was Theodore. What was his profession? 

My husband went to the University of flung put in economics. It also went to the Technical Institute in council. That was his first thing. And then he went to see Technical Institute in in uh-hmm. 

And he was a mining engineer because his parents the parents business, vast interest in steel steel business. 

So he was the one who was supposed to take over that business. 

And that's his education in, in mining is a matter of fact, students in technical, students in universities had to take it, had to be internus to you and say vacation. 

So my husband was in an actual mine. He also was an internist with handbook America line, which was a big shipping company. And he Traveled to the United States into South America. 

Young his vacation in South America, he came into Wednesday or visa versa, Moscow City thing in the United States. And those people condemned to death, I believe. And it has a big participant, South America. 

And he was caught in the middle of the shooting in South America because people via post or testing down there. 

But he traveled. Eventually he data on, visited a great deal in South America. 

In every country in South America, except pack why? 

It was before you even married out of part of a project exactly. You know, later I tell you this but needed. 

So finally, Big Mac in my father-in-law gave us the wedding to it. And we went to the Mediterranean. He had to go by train, you know, there was nothing to fly. 

So my uncle, my, my mother's blood of us way travelled, clever person. He said You all go into this hotel in nice. And it's beautiful. We got there. It goes there. We can stay a week because I think it was so expensive. 

So you got into a small place where also HPV eating. And they even hit loving water in the room, which was very unusual. 

So we went there and we went to one that code to play its casino badly there. 

So stingy that one, blade Rouge and the other one blade noir, which I can walk in and hold. Because if one would lose, the other one would win. And the Soviet flag, me had a plan. And so we had a wonderful trip down there. We saw last say in Avignon, Popes had lived and find the hips go back to reality. 

And it was at the time and in Germany the building less vase gas because Germany had tests passed a terrible inflation. You know, on my birthday in 1923. The American dollar, the German, the American dollar. I believe it was four billion, two hundred and fifty million mocks. People would carry money in suitcases. And puberty, such as my husband has paid in steel. Because next day could go say and say now, I would like some money for one pound of steel. It's unreal to inflation. 

It was just terrible episode is going crazy everyday was going crazy and you never knew how much money you had. Fortunately, my father wasn't the export business and got paid in foreign currency. 

But all people which has this sport, they would sell their houses just to get money. 

By the time you were married, it was still the effect of us like 1929 was the Depression in the United States and there was a question in Germany too. 

So finally, my father-in-law made a down payment on a small apartment opposite they are apart. And this was in Burma and the advice and counsel. 

And so my mother-in-law wasn't that aside and we always could ask for help if needed, request my pants and are used to live in the 15 the room apartment with one bathroom. We didn't have the Bresenham's Atlas. And so finally, they say it, you know, it's crazy. We living in the 15 room apart then why don't you move it with us. 

So we gave me had our DOD up, I say time and her name her name was Claire Elizabeth. And we say, okay, we move in with you. 

So we had our nanny, they had three maids. It was great. We could go anyplace you wanted to I never had to cook in the sky. We got along wonderfully. 

My mother lowest grade, and they had a beautiful apartment because so much has been handed down in antiques and this was all into this apartment. 

So we stayed there and we had two more boys and their knee doesn't press nonetheless, child and the 11 ones later in another one in this nameless goods. 

Now, you have to know what gets means by some names and that this came around, you know, because get Swiss born in 1930. 5 tells us one, 1934. And there's a famous figure in one of girders place. And his name was good fun than this thing and heave us at night. And they lived in one of those castles. He can see enzyme. And he was very much concerned about the peasants. 

The peasants via under great pressure forms of people living in those casts but not, not get some balancing. And one of the states, the Kaiser, who Germany or whatever as Germany, the Km. 

And he came and goods opens a window in the emissary of the Kaiser said, the Kaiser wants you to come so close the window, but before that he say something you cannot see and tell him busy. 

So bias. This is very famous in Germany's it still exists. You know, people say, What do you mean? 

Get some valid thing. 

And so that was the name you chose for your, well, the Nazi says Yeah, In Nissan, flee, rename him, get a lot of choice. A lot of n My father said they going to lock you up for dooms and Asia were defiant. Yeah. That due date. He has been just as good. And in the meantime, he many years later, they have a canceled by the name of goods for the day. As you well know. I told you about sun gets. That was all it doings and that's the time in Germany. 

And as you, so those of you who knows his history? 

There was a big O, but it was called The put in Munich. It's a felt him hello. And it's a time Hitler and his group made an effort to take over Germany. That was in 1922, I believe. In they caught Hitler and put him into prison. And in that wisdom, he wrote the book, mine come but nobody read the book. My husband had them read it. And he said that is a blueprint for nasa upheaval in Germany. And he was right. 

But most people, you know, just thought that guy, the Austrian, you know, it wasn't even a German sitting in that prison. 

So what can you do? 

Well, eventually he got out. And Hitler as a whole, it was only, but not the founder of the Nazi party. He was number seven. 

There was a gentleman by the name of Luton though, from German general, who has had the gate power and he and a few others, via release the founders of the Nazi party. First, nobody paid attention to it. They didn't think a few people could do anything, but it gets worse and worse. And by the time 1933, they had taken over a big part of the government. And in 1934 when our son jobs, so I spawn ibis in the hospital. That was a time of a major election. Whether the president of Germany should be combined with another job. And Hindenburg, who was this an old form, a general. Lastly, not no, no longer able to do his job is precedent. And so Hitler came along and say, so what? 

I do both jobs. And a few days after Charles was born, there was an election. That's aide who cares? 

I'm in in the hospital. 

Would you know, they came into the hospital to my bed and I had to vote for us the combination of those two positions. And but it still wasn't too bad. Actually. Eventually you get kind of used to this is like a bad smell. You know, you get used to it, smell it anymore. 

But I'm telling you it got worse and worse. And Couldn't say sing at home. 

If you had made you wouldn't know whether the maid was going to report it on whether your child would go to school and say to theta, you know, my, my I did go out and kill Hitler and they would come and get that father. Then we had a party. We always would disconnect our telephone because we knew says telephones were bugged. 

So but that's the way it was. 

But one day, my husband head kindly allowed conversation with a garage owner who Lippo, he had the call. And he was a big Nazi in miasma is arrested because he wasn't very kind to the Nazi. 

Well, they let him go again so that something happened that only my husband could do. He took pictures. They were beating up somebody in the street. 

Last two pictures, together with the decorated the lady who decorated the theater in both of them were taken into custody. And, you know, I still remembers the code I hit on it. That's a striped coat, gray and white. And I said, Well, look what they do with it. 

So I went to the police department and I said, What do I do with him? 

And the guy said, I really don't know, but I think they decide whether to keep him on camera. Fortunately, they kept the camera. 

And a month later we get the cow, I pick this out to fill in thesis, but they said you have relatives in the United States. A new we're going to sensors picked just as the United States, we're doing it. 

So B gets a camera back. 

But once you were arrested, twice, unsaved, it was unsafe this day. Of course, it was a tremendous decision here we re our families had lived in Germany forever. And my husband of us working in the family business still. And so we had relatives. My husband had relatives in the United States and also my father-in-law rather live in New York. And so we I had to travel to England because mail was censored. And if they had found out that you will leave, they will take your money l and l. 

So I traveled to England because my father lived in England fiscal by yourself. I go up and all by myself on a ship. And it vastly worse, dawn, unsaid, channel hours, so sick. 

Well finally got the England, you know. And I sat down and I will relate it to the United States, Whether of my father-in-law. And I say that don't glide back and said later that we want to come. Just give us a family tree. Then we know who are the people. You go into contact in the United States. And there was a family history. 

My husband's I believe it was his great-grandfather, had a sister who was kind of the black sheep of the family. 

And she had two sons, but no husband live, which was this year is just something scandalous at absolute scam. 

So my husband's, they'd kind father helped one of them to go to the United States and he became a rich person. And he had children. 

And so my husband's uncles decided to contact them and say, nah, you look, what they have done for your family, do something and gives the affidavit to Paul and his family and they meet it did. 

And so we got our papers, we had to get to the console that in even there, it my score up to you had to give a tip to the diets, the doors, so you wouldn't have to wait for Alice. 

So finally they got the affidavits to come over here. 

But we decided we had a country home when there was a nice everyone gone, go either way. We waited a little while. 

But then my husband said, as soon as they invade Austria, be gone. 

And they did invade hours after they had killed the Chancellor of Austria because he was of course doesn't Nazis. 

So here we go. Yeah. You couldn't take money out of Germany. You could take out. Anything you wanted to, but no money in July. 

So in three days, we spend an enormous amount of money to buy clothing, includes the children for six years. And we had a washing machine which was something that let's say unusually, he had a dishwasher. 

He had an iron and a refrigerator, which was unusual in Germany because those the business of my husband, we would get out these things and we had to lift veins at this thick it's little houses. And so they came to our house and look like V the packing. 

But the guy was a little old man and rarely fill them full of beer. And it didn't pay any attention to what we were packing. 

And because they used to come into houses and do things, as a matter of fact, my dance and Darwin, enormous lap way. 

And David would come to people who had big libraries and would look in books and take the books that they either written by Jewish authors or by people who were socialist or communist or whatever, and burn them. 

So they came into this house and they took some of the books and then they opened my mother-in-law some writing desk and there was a Christmas card in from Mr. 

Von happened in PAP and by the very famous governor of government, efficient because my father-in-law belonged to the post Elvis board. 

And he had syndicates Muscat and they click, they yield and said, Excuse us and they left, but they took those books with f. 

So we had many, many books that Vivek on to take with us here. This is only about half of it. And we weren't going to let them take all that stuff and the destroyed. And why hasn't this was a big stamp collector. I mean epics and connect in new and suppose that takes us out. Soviet a lawyer. Thanks. And he said, just say you have some other booms in there. And we did we trust her. And that's how we get that. That that that wasn't 38. And not only says the jewel of a they wouldn't lead us. 

So we hit my sister-in-law who helped this pack, put it puts the jewelry into sanitary napkins. That's how they got out. Said we're a fairly successful to the headset head. They caught us. 

They would have taken everything away we had in bodily would they put miasma jail or both of us in jail, who knows. 

So we got out with everything we had and exit money. We had $200. That's all we had in the only got them because we knew sub banker in town and he hits us $200. 

And then we came we went to Hamburg, the vehicle and kits, the ship and the ship, you always have to keep tips. 

So we gave so steps to those people in German marks. And they were furious at real ones. Gymnastics not worth a thing. That we also bought tickets to go back because we could do that in German marks. 

But little did we know you couldn't laid out the same thing because nobody would give us good American dollars, bad German marks. 

Well, anyway, you end the Hamburg. And our the one made we had bought the children in the car to Hamburg and we took our car with us. It was the prettiest chi, it was hit that leather. It was convertible, had red leather seats now. And so the Canvas loaded on the ship in. 

So we had pretty much stuff along an hour or so well dressed. I came to New York, had to put a suit on a beautiful matching head in wool and it had a 100 degrees. It wasn't August. 

And so the people on the ship, some of them really didn't wanna talk to us because they were on top the Germans, they were beginning to feel prejudice that didn't speak English always, did. I did your husband? 

My husband in that. And so we finally landed in New York. My mother's father was made to an American. He had died and she moved back to the United States. And she came to ship to pick us up, you know. And she came as a $100. 

I think she was afraid we're going to move in with her, which we didn't, but these went to my husband's uncle. And she had said, you know, there's so many tourists in, in, in New York here. 

They didn't understand with eye towards where tourists, we didn't know a tourist place that we can live in. 

So finally they get into a tourist and that was it. Have you ever seen, you can take it with you. It's the play. Lots of crazy people. That was it. That's what I see. I have never seen there are many cases. 

People as in this place, we moved in well in paper where finding an answer straight in underwear, we thought, you know, T-shirts, T-shirts, and invest noise all the time. 

So finally the guy that stuff out of the custom, we get the car out of customs. 

They had to get insurance and so forth, which was $15 if he would go out of New York and would have been moieties date. And I had some test code made for children. You had seen that in the movies. Put it on the chin. It was so hot. Water was boiling ruins a straight. 

Well, we finally took of envy, had never heard of Atlanta, Georgia. 

But when we just, we are about to leave, we went to a bookstore in our hometown and said, Have you ever heard of Atlanta, Georgia? 

But we had heard little bit and he's I never And so we were Datastore and he vessel running after us. And he said, yes, I have got the book from Atlanta, Georgia. 

And guess what it was? 

It was for men, they pervade, which in German, in English means Gone With the Wind. And we bought it. And I still have that first. It isn't in German of Gone With the Wind that given a semi data. 

And so, but renewable at sociality of CIA and one of them live in Atlanta, came your goal, NC had to wait. 

And as she headed up hotlink here that belonged to her and we could move in how he would like to have the colors on the walls and the grade. 

Well, it came to Atlanta actually run here. 

She was in her house in Miami and but she had some nephews or something and they were very nice to us. Here everywhere. These two huge lift wins full of furniture. 

He had come from New York and it took us four days in that car number 1, our cow wasn't tuned for Meg and gasoline. 

Then, of course, law has, had been the United States once, but never driven from New York to Atlanta, Georgia. 

So we went to all these towns. He came to work whenever lunch, book. And we saw the farms and the little houses and be bought little loaves of bread. We thought it was. Hey, Keynote, they came to the $0.05 and they came in little mappings. And they looked like Hague. And of course we didn't have much money. They can spend much. 

But we did always take a plexus in the Became to one town in Virginia and diet and after and say, Oh you from Germany, he hits his enormous less displayed in the back of ANCA in a reaches to golf, say we'll see anyway, Who knows who that guy is. 

So finally, we ended in anderson, south Carolina. 

There was a last night, the big on this day in the press came suppress had seen a car and they were going to interview us because they had never seen a German car. The endless in South Carolina and makes days. There was an article in the paper and it said and the driver spoke good English. Let's address it because exaggeration I ever had to drive. I couldn't speak English. 

But I must tell you, many, many years later, our sun gets less. Deputy mayor of Anderson, South Carolina. And he went to the newspaper archives and here was still that article about as priming. 

So Anderson, South Carolina. 

So we left Anderson, South Carolina and buy one way or another, we arrived indicator now leading. And there were heard of decay that we didn't know were rare. 

So here comes policeman. And in Germany, of course you go and you see alkylation. Any US so nice. And he said, Can I help you? 

And we said, yes, we would like to. I say it because I was the only one is looking if we would like to go to Atlanta. Oh, he said Just follow me. 

So V1 by police escort, two pumps in. And he couldn't go any further because he worked basicity of the Cater and he could get into Atlanta. 

And he said, if you go on this trade golden further and you see some houses there, and a2 is no, you can stay there. 

So vent they're an event in a tourist close to that one church. It doesn't exist anymore. 

And you went there and for 18 hours? 

All five of us stayed there for a whole week, including kitchen. Moose could do these kids. 

But across the street there was a flower shop and that flower shop, while still like few years ago, belong to Mrs. 

Turner, forms a few Navajo and next to it therefore has courses dora, which later on became colonials dose, which was a big stores and next to it, Vanessa restaurant. 

So we said, well, we have made a long trip. We hate sandwiches. Why don't we go into CentOS tons or we got into CentOS done. And first thing, the weight AS did less, putting ISIL out and front. As I said, No, that's not good for my children. That's the cup I said time she only knew we were totally off and be head the blackface there. And you got a cup of coffee. You got eggs, bacon and toast, and orange juice off with $0.25. That was our first meal in Atlanta. 

So the apartment that as we announced the entrance to the cauda send the way it was kind of ketoconazole. It was just a little bit. Credits it based on the guy from the cat down the annualized manual therapy. That wasn't they of course. 

But it was just a little further down from on the other side. 

And we got into SAS apartment after a few days and it had three ohms, and we had seven ohms of furniture. And so here comes the custom p. 

But because they wanted to see what they bought, actually they couldn't deliver says that first because there wasn't a truck in Atlanta that was big enough to deliver those to lift plants. 

So hit unpack the whole thing in everything that's in the myths when they came to our house. 

But anyway, here comes a custom guy. And we had this in there. And he opened the door, this bookcase. And they were 50 battles, our gentleman. And he said 50 battles of German line when I'm there, scene and apply would have said. He said, Well, I guess it's for your own use, you may keep it. And so there we go, biases, but nobody had a garage. The car. 

So we put our staff he couldn't use in his apartment into the garage and serve as a janitor. And his name was West. In West of Christmas, they interested without came there. 

So one of the next days we bought a watermelon In early told you we didn't know how to eat watermelon. 

But the behead half of one leftover in the ASC West, if he could put that into the ****** to advising the thing. And he said, Oh no, that's going to be dead. And he took it later on Salvo, eating the environmental racism, which was full of fret. And then was our first experience. Fortunately in I don't know why they did it. The plot with us, murphy bed for the kids. 

So we had marriage in that thing. Had your children learn to speak English yet? 

No. 

But they had had an event speaks that your voice. And our daughter she knew few words and they weren't ready for school yet when the data was. 

So The ahead on the ship met a Catholic priest and he said, I have a friend in Philadelphia go and see him. 

So until way down here, there and they give us all sorts of cookies and stuff like that. And he said, I have a friend in Atlanta, Georgia and he is a pastor in Atlanta and go and see him. And so we went there and he spoke German, he was from Alsace-Lorraine. And that was our first knowledge. Of segregation. We had never seen blacks. And this lesson, circus or menswear occupation forces after World War One. And he said, I have school here, but your children cannot go in school. It's Our Lady of Lourdes in August, which is always expressed. Those two Baptist Hospital, it wasn't a neighbor is still there. And so he said go to Sacred Heart School. 

Well, anyway, in the meantime, we had a range in that apartment and we didn't have any held fully until the animal ****. I'm sure my family. And then the strange thing is, you know, we hit live fairly normal life. This made everybody would do something for us. 

In the event of a flayed head lift our parents my father was very ill and by mother-in-law, less vague, ill in right. You know, we invest where the a bad thing to leave them. And, but here we read the United States. We had driven from New York to Atlanta, Georgia. And we then live afraid. 

But my husband, who has the biggest optimist, I mean, nothing would get my husband out of it. Just carried out just kinda where we were. And what was his plan for work? 

Well, Nino so you couldn't have a job. It's a time menu would come into the United States that would have kept you out, right? 

Yeah. 

You know, when they came on to ship, they would ask you, do you have a job? 

The funny thing on ship, we can first class, you know, they're really we didn't have to go through Ellis Island or anything like that. 

The only thing they ask us if he had any contagious diseases as if we had an intuitive told the willingness and the, so, no. 

And the lady had a friend, sponsor who was the president of Atlantic steel in since my husband had been in Sweden. That was an ancient saying, well, he got safflower in the interview. And of course they couldn't speak German and my husband couldn't speak English, nothing. 

So we didn't have a job. And so my husband looked around people recommended, met some people they command and nobody won him. One who under the German didn't know him as the way that time. 

So finally he got somebody, they commended him to some insurance person and they got in there and the guy said, Do you know anything about drawings? 

I'm just building a few things in my SSH, you're an engineer. And he threw a drawing a team and say read it. 

So my husband kind of explain to him what it was and it was hired as a draft them helper in a construction company. 

Now as he still couldn't speak English and they can speak German. 

So he buys a gopher, he gets a Coca Cola for the people. And they paid him $15 a week. Of course, you know, you could buy flood for $15 and we didn't have to pay for the apartment. 

But it was 15 cents for social security. And that everything was Civ a pound of coffee buzz or 16th and things like that. 

So we managed. A little later sayin, my husband met a man who worked in another company and he had an invention. And that invention, vast plating spindle. 

And that was a important because with a wall material coming scares, people were interested in the spindles and everything look good. And we said, oh, we're going to have our own company, wonderful. And my husband became very ill and as a main had no business experience. 

So the company just fold it. And I was the one who had the cell machinery. I had to sell a lathe, had never seen a leaf in my life. I had to see cell also has a Mattel to pay the debts. And we had board some learning forms, the First National Bank, why in the world they gave us money. I have not the slightest idea. 

But of course eventually in the laughter, yes, we had the paid that in a secured by the stamp collection and we wanted to get us them Collection back. 

So my husband taught German to some people and it was amazing thing but we didn't know. 

So people, he taught German too. 

The intelligence people, one was a professor at Emory and the other one was a colonel at Fort McPherson. 

So I guess they brought status. And so after he learned English, he returned to set the initial company he worked for. And he became an accountant there. And before he became the account and he supervised some blacks. 

A new building of riches that was the first NX and French's enough cause he couldn't understand the blacks and in the end they couldn't understand him. 

But finally, he returned as an accountant to this company. 

And while he did this, there was an ad in the paper or description in the paper about courses at Georgia Tech. 

And we thought that it was an interesting budget was at a time and Georgia Nino rim and we're not admitted to Georgia Tech, but this last an exception. Instead, we both decided we were going through it together into us at the time. Then industrially engineering was just in the beginning. And this causes in industrial engineering. And David conduct advanced into India and science and management training. And it was sponsored by the United States Department of Education. Enough questions, It was a fatal Balkan. They had a lead women in. And so we decided we will go and delete just the end. We went to Georgia Tech and it was then evening school. Jersey Take did have an evening school. And its flies. I remember it was in this building. S1 is this one. It was called Swan Hall, I think at that time. And that's where we went to in the evening, the director of the evening school, Les Mis the HOA. And E though we did earn certificates. And I still have this amazing looking at now how many hours I spend in Georgia Tech. 

I think there's still some legislation at Georgia Tech about our attendance of this particular course. 

It was the most interesting causes that we're taught there, but in particularly particular, less in psychology. By Mr. Janice. He was a professor at Georgia Tech and also quite well-known psychologist. What year was this? 

I believe we started in 1942 and then went so 940 three. 

So Dr. Britain was still the precedent attack? 

No. Yes, he was. 

He wasn't through 943, so he started in for you? 

Oh, I didn't realize she wore family and Leah came then came a little bit. And there were other women. I mean, yes. 

If as a woman, somebody, a businesswoman who wanted this additional training, and there were men, there was a quite a full class. 

Now you could select what glasses he would take their time and motion study, which really was lead on motion and time study and the psychology and the glide. A few courses that later on where taught in the school of industrial engineering. And week we got we got the grades. And you are preparing yourself yeah. For some kind of career? 

Yeah. My husband, our vista work, my mouse, kidding me. I got out the a's, he had some bees. And it was very interesting is that so new. And it was a good crowd of people who wanted to learn this new thing. 

So you came like two or three nights a week? 

It was yeah, I think it was about two nights a week, something like that. 

So you are lifting, studying and then go back and look at, but you could, of course there was no much to look at because it was so bad and malaria. And that's what a fan over a period of several months into the next year. Actually. Think of them as Joan, two years in. Your first certificate is dated from 1943 in, I believe, February and 99. 

So that means we started in 1942. Gives is the number of hours. And I'm when I look at them, no, I'm surprised how many hours you spend my time until, yeah. 

What was your first impression after you complete completed the first course, what did you decide you're going to go? 

I felt so proud that I had done this and it was something new. You see, I came out of this field of OT, whole needlessly about a grass. This was a new country. This was a new world. This was new science. It was just completely new. How are your children adjusting to Atlanta? 

Are they doing fine? 

Oh, yes. Our Darley learned English very well. Our boys went to kindergarten, which was 750 a month. And there was a lot of money for us that it was the indicator. And it has a very nice kinda gotten our data into Sacred Heart School. And that's why I have nowadays, I'm against bilingual schooling. See you in the school in fall and buys by Christmas. She had mastered English. Children learn NRI me never spoke English at home because my husband couldn't speak English. 

So she learned very quickly and the boys probably to the boys went to kindergarten that belong to a lady by the name of SLI, how it's LA Howard less one of the representatives in the House of Representatives in Washington. It was quite a prominent she hit that. They were doing fine. They had adjusted to the erasure. They had totally adjust that. 

And we still spoke German at home, but don't speak German with them now, one of them was stationed in Germany, speaks German well, that resume when I'm here with you in school yourself, very proficient with English and learning your career and family. 

You got your certificate, again magically went to work for the very well know, I also went to school on Whitehouse trade as I told you, how to apply for a job and how to take that to yourself. House was earning. 

So I got that too. And then I thought I'm ready for a job. 

Well, a friend of mine, saith as an opening, it C is to sell toys on Christmas. When I went there, but I didn't get the job. I just could do some Marionettes. 

So I went back and we are still living on a $15 clay down. My husband get 750 and then of course we were out of a job. 

And then he wisely Hyatt and I beliefs they paid him $25 a week, but zettabytes a time when people made very little and he kind of woke as they don't. And he became the personnel chief and the account in that company. 

So one day people came from Washington cos y hat, dotted into a wall work and they said, you have any faunas in there. And he said yes, and he said, Who is it? 

That is me. I am a foreigner. 

Well, he had to get immediately approval of work in that thing. 

And my husband was the only foreigner into Georgia State got and he watched the Atlanta water works on the 7th of December 41. And this was kind of funny. Here as a German fauna form an enemy. Watson's at Atlanta, who either with x. That's how little we are concerned here. They were out very, very nice. 

So you felt very welcome in your day. And then that last proceeded. He worked for just a very short time for Firestone, the Atlanta factoid that was idioms away. And then he went into the export business. And you finally did get a job. There's adventures. 

In 1943, after coming out of our schooling, I went to see is, let's say you have an opening for somebody with my training in, they said yes, in industrial engineering depart in the genome but ill-advised, good epsilon apply. I went up there and the guy looked at me and said of when it's a methods and lays never heard of it. He said was interesting, talk to you. I was offered a job. It Davidson's, which is now Macy's, in the cafeteria to organize the dishwashing. When they offered me $25 a week, which was great. I came home. I was still thinking about it. 

The telephone line here as theos on the telephone, you know, resists are you would you mind coming back? 

One of the guys had has been Taft it and they needed other placement. 

So they hired me. And so there you are. 

Analysts at net market analyst, job analysts, you know, I guess what they used to call an efficiency expert but it was it was called the analyst. 

So you observe what was going on? 

I have I have a setting standards in the main method. Learn things. Yeah. Did you like working? 

Oh, I left it here. Ncs was a very good place to work. 

So the conditions were good, insurance was good. There was only one on the fifth floor. That was your advantage there. And we lived in width and I had to get there by bus. 

But Eros grade. 

Then when I quit, I went into my husband's business, as I told you, and took his place while he was in South America. And there was a lot of important export in one article of us lap. And scrap is the most dangerous article you can deal with because a lot of people go, go for it. 

So my husband would call me from South America and check whether a student, I think he was afraid. We'll go back up and think like that. 

Well, after he came back, I just quit. And then one day I thought I wanted a job. 

So here as the bell, blah, blah, blah, hand was transformed into lack heat. And they hit Altis, advertising's in sort of unfair to apply for a data analyst. And they hired me immediately because they were so afraid they couldn't find. The height. Means they offered me much more money than anybody ever they had offered me $95 a week. There were a lot of money to that, but the man made over a 100. 

So I did the same thing. Then one day, they change models and planed like automobile blend, airplane gland. They laid a lot of people go. 

So I had an old nameplate which meant I didn't have to punch a time clock. 

I was a supervisor and they offered me a job, any advice, account, name plate, and I would have had to Pensacola. We lived in West and it was three hours a day going back and forth. There was no expressway in acid. That's a good time too, to stop in it. And I said no such thing. I'm going to go and punch time though. 

So I went home and didn't do anything. And one day I sat and I would like to work again. 

So I went to riches in the guys theta sub a in tenth grade. That's exactly what we need. 

So they didn't pay me as much as Lockheed. They only paid me $75 a week, but I could shop. 25% discount. 

So accepted the job. And I worked into the warehouse in West End about Russell was close. Yeah. And the thing was this, the returns came in, would report nobody ever said anything. And Monday I found that my supervisor had been fired in. Nobody knew anything about there. They paid me until one day. I said I think in a really entirely you pay me for nothing do with her. I quit. 

So actually tell us how your husband came to Georgia Tech. Okay. My husband is that told us and say export business. And then he came back. They heard at Georgia Tech. 

So a connection of kernel so far that my husband had just come back from South America. And Glenn, who was a director in so management score, heard of it. Full colonel sofa. And he said, Oh, that's great. He has, my husband has been trained in economies in Germany. He went to South America. He was in every country in South America at Part I. Maybe it can lecture, enlight apart. And so he hired him is a lecture while he was still in the export business. Then there is several revolutions and South America and the export business wasn't that good anymore. And my husband got out of the export business. 

But at Georgia Tech, they knew about him. 

So come from LEA had just started their unsold hit kernel Costco's but card of course not. At that time. He was in Africa, is a consultant. 

And so Professor Cox hired my husband because kernel for LEA wanted people who had practical experience at engineering experience impacting BPM. 

So math was hired and he had been CEO from 940 eight till 1972, I believe. And it was important that they came 1948 because that retirement from 1948, I believe at 950. As more thin, someone from 1950 till it later, Let's change. The game. Timing was good. He got two chicks runway to take financing for the 8949. 

So in the Otherland from 940 tell you they tie in. 

So addressing undergrad and I became a faculty when I was a faculty, why? 

But of course our work to see and I never could go to the meetings. 

But the search to take women's club, you know, I was a member of it. I think I'm one of the oldest member since returned to take trap facultative gland. And so we had a lot of things. 

There was the campus like at that time, what was that environment for you? 

Well, I see it was Colonel from Lear who bought, I believe, made the 200 acres of territory is much, much, much smaller. Only the old building. 

So ESA and you know, the lifebuoy USA. And what was the lady's name? 

Was it this crown mrs. Course? 

Linda wound, key role in siloed. 

And actually she was not allowed players such as the cave but in C USA, yeah, and I remember that in Georgia, the industry and in engineering, I believe hit one secretary or Italy. And I think there were seven professors. 

So you see how long it lasts a small cut. When did I make it stay friendly? 

We hit all these parties. 

You know, you got to make Colonel Van layer and his y o I was a member of the club, which was a member of the club. See, who has she had a little planes of women engineers and we would meet at her house. Mrs. When there was an architect, she built the President's house to design. She decided she was a very interesting woman. She also ruled over faculty wives. Faculty wives made mail in. And boy that man and the threading this, I'll bring unity. And we went to the wedding to address it. Think looks nicer, very elegant. Yeah. It was a friendly environment for you to be. 

My he would see a lot of the faculty members lived at Georgia, take the Cox's live there and ranks them in those houses on 10 strayed and this particular event misses herself with 63. Yeah. Actually know she she lived on Telco dive later when she retired. Yeah. 

But look how they lived on take what intake would die when she would tie it goes to so they also brought women into Georgia Tech at that time? 

Yeah, it 900. Why do I say I'm Michelle? 

Yes. See us in the industrial engineer. And then someone who is Vice President. This is mu burns. 

Yeah, surely those who has the first lens the lab was the time when those are coming in that you were added mass already laid out. There was no women in Georgia. I think resin came in 1952. Things in those girls came in after that. I mean, favors the ones that get there. 

But it was it. Did that develop your social life being part? 

Yeah. Because we are so few renew each asset in a lot of them lived here. This was Georgia Tech neighborhood. Ended that that time that you moved over? 

Yes. 

When we moved here, investigated course goes live. The answer on the corner. 

So the goods from Textile Engineering t is a Cox's some industrial engineer and many others. This was Georgia Tech neighborhood. 

So they help you find your house? 

No, Actually, my house, my hat, mass Mercer, First Fulbright Professors at Georgia Tech EV ahead. And he was in Australia in 1956. And he was in class and he taught them and help them install. Did you go back with him then are you stay? 

No. I was here because the boys with my daughter as math, as voices. And so he wasn't gods in Australia and helped him also. I'm also to install course in industrial engineering in the next here in 1957. I believe it was about trendy Australians who came to Georgia Tech to take courses. And that was an experience. 20 Athens, one fell down to step and Polk is Labor Day and address a time when Austria know when Poland was, I believe, invaded by Sebastian's or something like that. And they may afraid about Australia. Oh, it was a big exam. Yeah, the years went by. Your husband became a professor? 

A full professor? 

Yeah. Actually attack. And what were you doing during that time? 

Stay how that as well for you? 

Yes. I stayed home and meet, traveled a lot in tune vacation, South America. 

Miasma as consultants as omega was a consultant in German Navy travels, in matzo speeches in the America House, which is a cultural centers in Germany. And things upset, saw it. And I walked across the count in 19. Fifth citizen D, 68, I believe it when I walked across campus of Georgia Tech and he came, Mrs. CISC, professor says NSAID paper such as CEO who don't do things should do something. 

And he said, My mother-in-law is in a nursing home and say need volunteers, why don't you go save us some ASIS hop and say, well, I said Look, call me again in fall and now let's think about it. Okay. 

So we got together again and fall. And I went down to Aston Woods, which is a nursing home of pizza intestine Boulevard. And a young couple chest head bought it and so capable of TEA. And the one important they RE with year when they went to the moon. And it was so interesting was that visit naive B cells have him then the next day. And he oversees all people who were born in the 1800s looking at somebody landing on the moon. Yeah, it was, it was very interesting. 

So I stayed there till 1970 and they opened a new nursing home. And they say, why wouldn't you want to work for us? 

Nsaid, maybe. 

So I went there and I was in pride. I was the patient, the dilation person, Lay Creation person. Nobody should this be that ever. You have to find volunteers and whatnot. We hit a lot of volunteers forms a peach tree forms the North Avenue Presbyterian Church. I had 35 volunteers and had them. And these girls in summertime from the high school level, it worked well. I stayed there. Taylor became 65. And I said, I'm quitting. And they said No, you're not quitting. I said Yes, I am cleaning. 

So I finally found a successor, the successor. And I quit and said vast. And 72. 

And there were articles in the paper by Georges date that they, they've gone, they've courses for people who are interested in aging. Nsa rule aging here I'm 65. 

I can, you know, I feel like people who are getting elderly and I took some of those courses, it was Disco regard to continue education. 

And they had all these elderly people whom they want to teach how to deal with people such as themselves so that parens 0 at nothing there was bought by pain, doctor, blah, blah, pain. Who tried to stop our system that when Theta. 

So I took several courses. That was just me. I took several courses. And that my husband had a teletype In 1972 in MS, Yeah, I think bus him to Hitler, tie it. And I said, I'm a big school. And so I took these courses at Georgia State. 

And you know, before said many years before, he had taken a continuing education course at Georgia State and advice in one building. And they belong to the University of Georgia. Before that, Georgia State had belonged to Georgia Tech. Nth ove had seen all these changes and they had to become a school for sales. Because when they found out how much they, the, they have spent money on the individual student. They found that it didn't spend enough. They had to become a university on their own. And I have seen all these changes. And did you enjoy taking classes again as these glasses which has the little courses. 

So one day she came, Dr. 

Payne came in and said, Is there anybody who would like to make master's degree? 

In aging or similar. And I said, Yes, I would as a Meta effective us feeling a presentation at the auditorium. I went home and I told my husband, I said, I'm Victor school. 

But the next day, That's the end of the legislation. 

Now my husband, as a collector, he collected everything Inclusive, Coding, all my certificates. That's dabbing in high school in Germany till Georgia Tech in Atlanta. 

So we spent a whole night to get that altogether. 

So that's your goal. In the next day. I think they were desperate to get some people into that course of aging. Actually, George's date does not have a master's degree in gerontology. You have to go through sociology. 

So Mike, the clevis going to be in Sociology with a minor in gerontology. 

And I've without my papers, I went to so registrar's office of cars, I guess I have never seen such old papers bad amongst them with their papers from Georgia from Georgia Tech. 

And they accepted those tapers from Georgia Tech in the rest of them and have us kind of admitted on probation. Tell you how I would do. 

And so I I stated I took all the courses in sociology and mice, more thing by statistics because there were things I never heard off because it didn't exist whenever the score. 

So in order not to flunk that cause I can't out. 

But second time I passed visit the well, I never wanted to go. 

So unless across like this that I think an average of 3.5 or something which I thought was pretty good. 

And I when I was at Georgia State, I also belong to a happy with the American Association of retired persons. And we had a visitor from Kansas City. His name is Dr. Albert Cole. 

He was a Methodist minister and he had just started 1972, a new organisation which must cause the Shepherd Center. And he came in, was telling us about it, ERP it also at Georgia State. And I thought we ought to have something Nexus in Atlanta. 

So I went to say a meeting of the AARP and I met a person who was an executive in the Boy Scouts and he would go to Kansas City. 

And I said, You know, we ought to have something like said, and he said, You know, we had been thinking of these two. Next time I go to Kansas City, I did talk to Dr. 

Cole and that was the beginning of the life enrichment, which was a separate sender but we couldn't quality but saying that because of the shape of the head as land via spinal thing that we call the Life Enrichment. And we started investigating and studying about this in 950, 75. And it became my master thesis at Georgia State. 

And in 1976, we became incorporated in, there were four of us, we three or four co-founders of life enrichment. And it has been a very successful thing is like small university. We have an educational center. We have like 30, 40 classes from now. Be very successful with computers, which has got ten. When new computers, the causes are always filled. All the pans wanted to be sure they know as much as I can tell them. 

But we're HIPAA as a services for elder people that to stay in their own homes. We have handyman service. Who are members of the handyman are members of flack enrichment. 

They may have been engineers or military people and people know who's coming to their house and their city, their back and we pay a minimum amount. And they come and do the things and get some supplies and so forth. We have a width a person Service, which is a service by AARP. We did people. It's a support group. We have a nursing service. 

May people come when these and it's a black boys had taken we have foots care, we have massage, the needs for our needs. What's this type? 

Nas, the founders in Kansas City said, Well, everything is 10. I put poor, poor people, you know, the state is doing. The rich people don't need it. 

But right about the middle class, it is a very typical middle-class. They have Spanish courses. We have us we got it. And I still work there every Monday as a volunteer. And tell me about your books, major record books and and and the occasion. 

Well, I thought my children, I have three children who am now senior citizen. My data is just going to have a birth. This is only two years of becoming 70 years old. My sons, one is going to retire. Next. One has retired, but he couldn't stay tired. 

So he has bookstores. Most boys are graduates of Georgia Tech run in management and one of us in okay. I think he was in chemical engineering but he became an industrial engineer. It up later on. He has his master's degree in industrial engineering. 

So we're very connected with Georgia Tech. And my three children have 11 children to get a billion themselves. And from these 11 grandchildren, I have almost 23 times children. The oldest one just got his driver's license and his mother used to work for Georgia Tech. And so Georgia Tech, it's just the same now a light. 

So as UBS, your posture, 80th birthday, you decided you would write a book? 

Well, it took me two years to write the book that I 400 pages as I really thought, that the children should know where they come from in our family goes back many, many years and how we got to Atlanta was the name of your first line first book was never make a left turn. I do not make left turns. I go, I go around ten blocks to make it act. 

But every day that I thought they had made many good Lift turns and a lighter. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's a joke in my fame intensive second one. 

We had a large correspondence with my parents, my parents-in-law, from here to Germany, and it's all in German. And while I have one son who speaks German, one glance on some exam. 

So that's done though not so I translated ounces lead us, let's be 0 to 100 and to handle data's in, It's very interesting how we got it. Just did the life here. We would call this book, I call Atlanta. He had become, so after I had done this book and I've been very active in, in life enrichment. 

I was the Director of Education for five years and it was a full-time job, which of course bus is all volunteer. We might point out that your first book was published when you were a woman. You are. If so, then what happened? 

You were still very active with? 

Yeah. I went back to Georgia Tech and you decided you were going to go into odd. It causes insert should take. 

But I really had in mind I might make my PhD. I got a C in a cause I myself feel is about it because I thought I did not deserve it. 

Not like everybody says, I didn't really didn't think there were some little hostility for somebody, you know, when I went to school. Professors, we're afraid of me because I was a much older than them. 

The students enjoyed me because civic that have somebody, I think both as we're afraid, to teach somebody who was an atheist, they're payable something length. And I believe they lessen animosity. That do I got to see. Anyway, I myself feel as a bias. It's fully, I don't need that. 

So in but I enjoyed a lot of courses in psychology. 

And that, you know, and this is Smith's know who his, he made big studies about memory research, that's his thing. And I think we're good. There were others who weren't that good. And that's the kinda thing. 

Now here I am. That old is aim. No auto hide the book in detail. Those people, they should observe some cell say professionals in the field of aging. Just like I have. I have the experience of 20 something years. I should say something. And that's by, that's the third book. Because of course, aging has something do with your memory. 

But not all what they think it is to do. It's a way how you spent your life, which very important. How you got so difficulties. 

So I said I have any auto height that book, so I desert. It's the base model. 

And what do you call that book from Kitty Hawk to the Internet? 

I was born, I think two or three years after Kitty Hawk and one-year bill forth fought, car hits the road. 

And I thought that might be interesting for people to those NIS, SAS, this is not a scientific book, but this is why I believe that age successfully. It's in an anatomy of successful aging. In the year 2000 come, coming. They do not do enough to prepare for this encased populations that the United States will have. Right now we have about 12 percent view and have 16 percent. Not too soon, but you're going to do is my click on children will be they tie it. As long as they have worked like 35 or 40 years. 

What will they have to do? 

I mean, it's not only a financial thing because it the one working person's supporting all the other person's. What do we need to do. 

And I believe led professionals in the field of aging have a responsibility to observe some cells and not only look at other people and say, now so-and-so can only remember five words. I couldn't care less if I remember five or six legs. That is not the point. It is a complete development of a new lifestyle. These people must be volunteers because the government cannot pay for all this. There will be of five generation family. Who is the one who cares for the others? 

It might be the oldest. Who cares where? 

Nasa Menino, we speak about the sandwich population. That's passe. People in nursing homes, particularly in State of Georgia. The average age, I believe is 83 years. The children, as senior citizens, they can say Look at them or in many cases. 

So you must find completely new ways to deal, visit new population because we're living longer, longer, longer, living longer, longer and longer. It's a soul. Social disaster. 

In there will be many more people who are healthy because they've taken care of, well in peels, DB will take appeal to them. They don't know what to do with us. It it's it's way too, and we don't do anything about it. And just legal in only on memory does not solve the problems. It is a total holistic thing to age. And it is psychologist's, the medical pop with a population. 

Sociologists that must absolutely work together to find new lifestyle for a keyword, that's the key that's liable to be occupying the gainful Yankee. 

Well, no, I don't even think that's gainfully. I mean NSX and doing something, some, something for the others. Huge need for vowel, it will absolutely UT. 

But you see, when you take all people to be savant is C phase one prominent, one. Enormous opening instead is transportation. You cannot go places unless you have transportation, I unfortunately die. 

But the headline Liu must find in that might go into engineering to how you're going to feel that transportation problem. 

How are you going to get about now New York's a different thing because yeah, but Atlanta or dependent. And I did that. 

I did write a letter to the editor inside here just recently that the governess so concerned about transportation, but don't forget the elderly because you face many, many problems if you can't get around. 

So because homebound people are not productive people's preference. That's why you have to go into the Internet. That's why I'm that's why the internet can have from that. Absolutely. And I have my Internet on my TV site where very computer literate here. I don't have a computer. I had downhill like that. My Internet in my email is on IPTV active. 

And I have a correspond with people in Germany, Visa University of Heidelberg, because they knew Paul come now for sight impaired people in it. Because they have to have a speaking in the Internet. That's the new things that's coming up. 

So I met with people while I was in Germany last year and be discussing energy being right on that cutting edge. You have to, but I don't have them. I have them. Word processor. I take my income tax rates now block. 

So what do I need a computer FHA but the Internet will be coming people. For older people, the only trouble is you have to have imagination. 

If you don't find it in one place, you have to find him in some other place. And you have to learn how to set my life punishments his else computers now to teach tapetum lucidum. You look at your life and where you are today. 

Your advice to people to be as productive as you are is to be involved, stay, they enlarge and must be, must always remember that life must go on. In other words, you have something terrible happened to you. Life is still going on and you have to preserve your health. 

It's very important when characters have the, you have, I will give you a little thing, that one thing you must like yourself. Because if you like yourself or other people like you too. 

So if you come along theta m, So all you dress like 50 years ago. 

Now you'd have to keep up with the times, keep up with the times. And one thing that's my main advice, you must replace anything you lose. When you age she lose a lot of things. Just like transportation, a loose you healing, maybe you might have to have cataract operations. He might not be able to eat everything. You might lose your friends. Whatever you lose, you must replace with something else that you have. 

So you find a substitute saying last time, that's the way I think that's a way of successful aging your whole, uh, well you have to replace whatever you lose. 

Well you're firing example. Air. Find exactly where, but you know, they also must learn that things are there. Final. You cannot really make long-term plans. You must make short-term plans. 

And so you're just saying how many years you lived or not? 

I had a cousin who test that you as a 106. 

But us in the nursing home who wants to be a nursing home? 

I don't want to be in the lung, come from a very long lived family. I can't, but that's not the latest research. It is the way you spend your life. 

Well, it's like myself who taught me life must go home. And the enablement I'll go in. 

But there you have the best of all to be here. 

I have had a very fortunate life and you've taken my husband, who has the biggest optimist anybody ever met. And we had a wonderful marriage with it's very important to you. 

And we have our children a healthy via health agile on the healthy children, the healthy My contention or what can you ask for help with fraud from the VA. Thanks a lot for our very last what your story is a wonderful, good curation. I can't believe I haven't. 

So, you know, it's really mandatory. You look vacancy, eventual hope. You did indeed, and it's a wonderful choice. Remember, eBay there plus people and that you could share it. We thank you. 

So outcome we're going to talk to you. I'm Dr.