This is a living history interview with Duke newborn class of 1956, conducted by Maryland's summers on July the 22nd, the year 2004. 

We're at his home in Marietta, Georgia, the subject of the interview today, his life in general has experienced this at Georgia Tech, Duke. It's a great pleasure to be here. Something I've wanted to do for 10 years. Good morning. Good morning to you, sir. You've been badgering me. Hello? 

Yes. And we finally have formed you down in ten years that I asked. 

It's important to us because you've been so important to the program and we'll talk about that later time. 

But I want to begin at the beginning. 

So tell me where were you born and when I was born in Washington DC, March 25th, 1934, lone w What were you doing in Washington DC or your parents else gets born? 

They were guarantors. They therefore, there was an therapist. He was in the early field of talkies when sound was first put in zeros. 

And he was there with a company called ERP electrical research project corporately, which was a division of Western Electric. 

So here's inclination was to be an electric person to, well, he had written off in our state and electrical engineering home textiles started off in textiles. 

But then you heard of that was fascinating. Thank all Tahitian and got into that. And so interesting, he was a pioneer in that. Yeah, They were, they were going around the country making theaters talk. And I let the time you are born, they just happened to be in Washington Washington DC. 

So there was no family tie? 

No, no, no, no, no. They were there and it was they enjoyed a great day. During Prohibition. Did you have brothers and sisters no longer the fair her. 

And did you stay in Washington law now move to Greensboro, North Carolina when I was about to say an abnormal collection at that time, No, not at all. How long and Greensboro? 

About two or three years, I'm not sure. And then in 1937, day was transferred to Norfolk, Virginia. And we will submit that's where you began to have memories. Thanks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 

I remember a little bit of respect, but in Norfolk, again, he was with a company called ERP as far west monetary part of the bill, just okay. 

And the government got after them for monopolistic control because they were doing to theaters what they did for many years to people that use telephone. 

They would never saw on the phone in the theaters and never sold them the sound of them and they owned it And renewal. And so the government get atoms as monopolistic control. 

So they cease to exist. 

And 937, the Earth, the organization became a company called all tech servers, all technical service, and the employees of ORP, someone got some money together and they started this business and it was servicing the equipment in theaters. 

So your dad stayed with it? 

Stayed with it, right. 

So the theater's then from that point on how to buy their own equipment. That's right. They could buy what what's, what's what Western lettering and install. And also what was already there they could purchase yeah. 

And that this company font to go around and make sure it was maintained and maintain the equipment for years from drilling or did you go into abuses of theatre? 

And we had West electric equipment. They had a sign which says property of Western Electric. 

But it was it really wasn't. No, that's all that time. 

And it also did you start school in Virginia then? 

Start school now for first grade first grade teacher. Has MS. Nemo, you can remember that MBA in numbers, if you remember. 

I remember first grade teacher and my first telephone number 25, those extra factor, that's a good referee data. We have withstood. Your own, just loves you. I think the only children I'm more apt to like school then because it's company. Yeah, I did great in school. 

But in about 1945 were transferred cl okay. 

Now let's go back between 37 and 45-year were living in Virginia. That was the whole period of World War 2. Oh, yeah. Priya, we were there any recollections of any vivid vivid oh, December 7th, 1941. I mean, vividly. You were seven years old. Yeah. We went by, gathered and we went up to a neighbor's house, apartment. Neighbor lived upstairs and I remember mother and the wife sat in the living room. 

But the men went back to the bedroom and turn on the radio wherever you listen to the news. 

And then you were right back, hey, well, I'd be with them like it would be an issue for you to remember. It had to be somehow. 

Well, it was interesting that living enough, it had a mammoth naval base. That's right, they do. And they'll do. In fact overnight it became the largest naval base in the world when the war broke out. 

But it was big before and it was a social place, gathering place. 

I mean, they were dances at the at the officer's club and dead mother would frequently invited to go to them and everything and it was really a social. 

So as part of your growing up to be aware of it, yo-yo and go down and look at the big shapes and all that. 

But Pearl Harbor is seven years old. I didn't know where it was. 

And I kept looking out the apartment window down towards the naval base thinking they're bombing down there. And that of course told me that way away from where it was. 

But that day, never forget there were six pi is going to be a member. Six bys are the army trucks. They call them six bys has worked to that six we actually said well, yeah. Okay. Canvas covered backs. And they were rounding up Japanese that day in the United States of America in Norfolk, Virginia. I don't know, but wow, really new. 

So it was an instant mobilization instance and end. Immediately we started having ships blowing up around the coast of Virginia Beach. Virginia Beach was blacked out instantly and Norfolk was dimmed. And there were many ships bone off around the coast, bodies floated in oil slicks. German U-boat. That correct? 

Yes. Yes. Yeah. 

Now I know him. And all up and down the east coast, there were U-boat attacks on the shipping. And what they would do is a layoff. Sure. If the light's wrong and the city's think I see silhouette of the boats coming up ghost. 

So that's why they have the blackouts. Blackouts right hand corner, that's part of your child. Oh, very much so. And then we had average frequently, hitler's where we thereby had a blackout. 

And the people in the areas were wardens and they'd walk around and think I see light coming out the wonder that come knock on your door. And generally they arranged where to cover troop movements. When we'd have an airway, you'd hear trucks go. We lived on hampton boulevard, which was a major thoroughfare. 

And they'd be just tons of trucks going by carrying troops to ships to go out c, So the idea was to distract everybody so they weren't paying attention. 

Plus, plus, where there was always the, the word learn that the war could move to the east coast didn't end. There was always the worry that there were spies, people tracking, move all the stuff. I always edit we in Norfolk, you had non-African than portion. And to get to Portunus, you agree to do dry Finland and go long ways around it. 

You take the ferry across which was a short-term and they had the various would just constantly went back and forth. 

But there were signs all over saying if you see something they'll talk about it. Slips, think ship. Exactly. I read many times about the posters they had. That's right. That's what they were referring to exactly. I never understood. Why don't talk about it. And of course, gas rationing, a, B, and C, courage. And dad had a card and a senior and I forget what they were. 

One was pleasure just pleasure driving, which was only something like five gallons a week or a month that alone. And the other one was for Business, which gave him quite a bit of gas. Being in the theatre business. Theatre was the only entertainment people had them. And so they, the government felt that was important. And so it really, it really came into their heyday in the affordance, what I did. And people go to the theatre that sit in the air condition, which only a homophone air condition. They're very rare. 

And it's really when the big movies started, big movie star started being important and they used to relieve there were a lot of, well no, they're all the war movies offer raising around for raising morale and then also the movie stars going around the country raising money, selling bond us. Yeah, we've seen many, many clusters for yeah. Oh yeah. 

So that was an intrinsic part of your childhood. You're coming up time and it was fascinating, really was going to school and becoming aware. I'm sure you talked about way at every every alerts and school and taught us all and label that here. It's next to the wall and put our hands on the back of my neck. And it was it was you felt this so that they're as the son of a man who was out onto movie. 

There's Did you get it out of that? 

Love to see your dad let you go whenever you didn't whenever on Saturdays aren't the summer. Frequently a ride with him and go to needed services in the theaters. And of course you'd be there before the show. 

And so I got to see all the equipment and I became fascinated with it in the projectionist were very, very nice Joseph, to projector's in the theatre. And generally he would serve as the first projector. And then many of the operators just say Dupont, you go down the theorem. I want to cartoons for you. 

So I am home private Joy. Yeah. 

Oh, isn't that one that was quite an experience running was so you've got see all the cartoons and they used to have Movietone News. Oh yeah, all that stuff. 

But from fat, amazing. And I'll buy yourself oh yeah, one of the theater. And no wonder you've been fascinated with that electrical equipment and things. 

But it was fascinating watching the projection equipment and all that. Traveling around with and your father's whole career? 

Oh, great. Was in that in that particular him. What did they call him? 

What's the title for some from my field engineer. 

A field engineer lady became would referentiality became assistant manager of that district out there. They became manager or the 1D medulla. 

So he actually got to see a lot of country. I mean, people didn't go out to the coast casually. Oh, no. No. We were transferred in 45. We went out and probably February. And to get there, we had to ship the car out. And I'm trying to train. Right. And then we took the Norfolk and Western to Chicago. 

And then from Chicago took you the Northern Pacific, the Great Northern, I forget which to Seattle, I took five days. 

What are the adventure that must have been so excited, especially watching all the senior and everything. Was your mother good natured about the oh, yeah, Just me and she was an adventure to Seattle. Seattle horse was a lot of war effort. They're bowing. And every Sunday night, all the B 2009 she had made during the week would fly out. And it was real, but housing was terrible. Author couldn't get it. 

Now, why was that wasn't available there, whereby was there so many people had moved in the growth that happened. I plan I just couldn't find housing. 

We finally found a development, those on your rent, which is not far from the major Boeing bled, there were a bunch of little home so small and nobody could be picky. Like me. 

There were a lot of people that professional people living there and it was worked up be a fun place, then back into school again for school there. 

And how long did you stay in Sierra? 

We weren't well, musician when we got there in February, we couldn't find housing mistake, hotel. We were there when FDR died. Oh, yeah. I was the following spring. I was like I wasn't when he died, when I was in March. 

I forget we were there when he died because when we looked at the hotel, wonder, you're still no hotel when he got ill and pledged will have to turn the radio on, found out that FDR died. 

But then we moved up to the house, are now written and live there for several years. 

And so that's where you went to school that which school there you picked up your elementary education problem I had was that it was outweigh the risk of school. 

So I just sat around, did nothing for should I show skipped Carrie? 

Really? 

Yeah. 

So I'd already had all their somebody has less more advanced than the Northwest. Oh, yes. Yeah. 

Now that's a surprise because I always say the South is behind knowing a weird way it was, it would be done. Then we move from there into town and the 10th street. 

Where did you go to high school? 

I started high school and shell went there for one month and day, but dad had been transferred to Cincinnati. And so after being in high school and so that Seattle for a month or a little less, maybe. We drove across country, this Tantra back row back to Cincinnati. And then I started high school. 

It was again, finding a place to live, moved into one high school and stayed there for a couple of weeks and we found a house and then went to withdrawal high school, which was a it's just not that interesting situation. They had big high schools that were built probably doing the depression. And there were giant Withrow was 3 thousand students. Shampoo for management, who've women that have been tower out front beautiful campus. Big football stadium. Nicu, great professors. 

Now Cincinnati's a very ethnic area. There's a lot of Chairman people have big rubber town over gentleman. Greg said, I love you, I love that. I did. The chairman event to this, yes, I went through high school instance then. You didn't have any trouble adjusting. You were like your mother, you were flexible us. Yeah. Hey, thrived wherever you got planted. Happy to have you move here to make friends again. And it took time. 

And because you will end with a group of kids, most of them had grown up together and they all knew each other. Yeah. 

So you took a while to do work your way into the into the circle and get to know people. It isn't that way anymore because people are so much more transient. 

But in those times, people didn't come from place to place. 

So you're worthy outsider. 

Well, okay. Thank you, ma'am. Bit of sellable and Seattle is give yaw, ya'll do it. 

So they were just happy effect ARE oh, yes. Yes. 

Did you what did you find when you got into high school? 

Got some of them stayed there, that you still were academically ahead of the game? 

No. No. 

Well, we got back since not I wish I was with so you were had something to do to keep blacks? 

Were what were your other interests at that time? 

Anything into sports at all or play baseball lines? 

Yeah. You didn't play much. And since now, very much a model airplanes and sound. 

So you were always still tinkering with it? 

Yeah. 

Build an amplifier and did all kinds of things with their job and was reminiscent of and everything and then worked a lot 12 hours, worked at Seattle or to meet Margaret was interesting to see your pairs race you with the work ethic, had a paper out. I want to know that they didn't push me. I wanted it just so it's like you had a good relationship with your dad very much and mother. It was it's a privilege. What did it cost to your parents? 

So you were nice little MIC unit time? 

Yeah. Yeah. You graduated from high school in what year? 1952. Okay. And going to college? 

She thought she was going to go to college. I had looked at oh, yeah, I'm going to go to college. 

I had looked at Cornell, which would have been up in the North, the Northeast, and Purdue, which will Wild West people from something I don't want to that would be endorsed day. Are you already know about Georgia? 

Oh, yeah. In fact, a alumni came and there were two. It was from the high school that she had an interest in Georgia Tech. And alum showed up. 

And of course at that time I didn't understand what that was all about, but now of course I understand that. 

But once he recruited, he was there to tell us about Georgia Tech. 

So he wants which are of interest and then somebody check contacting the alarm that lived in the system and said, Hey, there to two people, had a Withrow. 

So we were doing that 50 years ago began. And about that time, Dave was transferred to Atlanta. 

Well, that's sort of make the decision for you. I'm trying. I'm sorry. They couldn't afford some near Cornell away. 

Why you're even thinking, why are those things that you do when you're at Yale and Purdue? 

I don't know how expensive that was with. 

But one of the great things, well, he moved to Atlanta and I became in stage two. 

So check was very inexpensive. It yeah, If you Wednesday soon, That was wonderful. Very inexpensive. 

How much of wear out, what awareness did you have of the school itself? 

I mean, you had never been there, obviously, has not been heard about football. Did it have a fairly good reputation as an engineering school yes. Instance? 

Yes. 

So and you didn't have any illusions about it being a party school or anything you need. We're going to learn in our Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And so we move to Atlanta in August. Just in time to start school. You would have been on quarter systems and those tails quarter. 

So we started what? 

Middle of September when school started? 

Yeah. 

At that time it was readily and your parents are willing to pay for you to stay in the dorms on campus even though they were right there? 

No. I'm first the first quarter I couldn't tell us do and there was not run the dorms. 

Now that's an interesting point. Gi Bill was bringing tons bulgogihago largely on the GI Bill made a huge impact on Georgia Tech. What did, you know? 

Small school and do is only about 50. And people who never even dreamed about going to college had an option go to college. 

So it was not only the ones who wanted to go, but the ones who just could go Java. 

So, and in those days now when we talking about the early 50s, we were still on let everybody in and dust them out. Exactly. Exactly. Say Hey, we're going to come in and left one on the right. 

But it was a great experience really. 

What your plus, plus, that was the first year that Whitman world, 1950 to tell me what your first impression was that think back. You move to the city, but you you enrolled in school by mail before that? 

Yeah. Okay. Do you remember the first time you went to look at the campus? 

Should preserve number. 

So you didn't even go look ahead. It did, but I don't remember. 

Where did your parents subtle what part of it? 

We lived in an apartment on 28 SRI, which is not far from from Brooklyn station. Okay. Just FYI Bosch. Yeah. Got an apartment there. 

And some people caught up our midtown somebody caught law of my head, but I know just what you're talking about. 

And at that time, the expressway ran from pastry road to interested downtown right past a campus that was the length of it, that was it to get on and IP3 road to accomplish in a short time. And I could leave my apartment 20 minutes for class and big glass. 

And I have a problem now, know it because I was an instant in towns to the carpus and so I could use the family car when when they weren't using lesser places to park. I always found them someplace and a sticker. 

And so that first quarter, you had a commute, study at home, make friends, and adjust to an academic rigors of it was tough. It was it was a good time. 

But the toughest times, Christmas thereby went online. I know anybody. 

Well, it must have taken you a while now. 

Anybody just coming in and September Well, I mean, you didn't have any orientation to the city editor itself. You don't know. 

But merrily, there were a lot of other kids are saying but a lot of them all over. 

So we were all together, we're all going to class together and everybody was was looking for somebody to make friends with. 

So we made friends with everybody. How prepared are you fine academically? 

Very well. Thank you. Cincinnati. Yeah. I had a interesting chemistry refresher, general science and chemistry. That was wrong. He had a PhD and unusual, unusual. Unusual. 

But he had a tremendous chemistry course. And my first quarter was repeatable high school chemistry. Where you lucky. Oh yeah. You must have felt sorry for the South Georgia boy. Yeah, but the problem was halfway through the second quarter. I said, oh, no, stop it. 

So the first-quarter you actually manage to do well oh, yeah. Because work was there were so well prepared. 

But did you notice the people falling down around you? 

The ones that came from South Georgia they had never even seen, I guess at the other end. And the look to your left, look to your right was coming true? 

Oh, yes. Absolutely. They were dropping like flies. And what was your first impression of the Social life at Georgia Tech, a fun thing. I want you to go to football games. Oh, yeah. Tourney. And certainly. Did you wear a hat? 

Oh, yes. Everybody where we're at it. 

If you didn't wherever I had to get ticket. That was an established absolute fact. It was a fact. And someday too, because people to fight it, they actually did it to absolute. We're seeing pictures but you wonder if that was for me. 

Oh, no, what actually happened? 

What actually happened? 

And you became a game touch that right hip? 

I was part of a D part of the deal. You wore it everywhere in the classrooms. 

My first day in drawing, I'll never forget that at drawing lap, which that was an experience that gets they don't have. And it was quite an education. 

But I don't know, not only in drawing, but I was in education and perseverance. 

I I've seen people tear up about it because it was such a trauma for some some folks to other people tear dot head drawing in high school. 

So I knew what to expect, but I'll never forget. We all went into the very first day, went into captain Larson classroom. 

And he was retired, navy capped and all the drawing teachers were military line, but it'll walked in and all these freshmen Red Hat. 

When you just thereby found a chair to sit and we're sitting in a few moments the door open and I thought the room and exploded. He told us in no uncertain, salty they be termed will not wear a head inside rail. Oh, well, you know the milk or you don't and he knew you had to wear the red hats though. 

Well, but not put it in your pocket that exactly. 

But it's just military courtesy. You would never wear giant military people, but you didn't know that. I can send my innocence. Boy, it was me. Yeah. He got everybody's attention. They go oh, buddy, ever do that again? 

No, I guess not. 

But they'd run classes were they were tough, rigorous, they expected a lot from their relative. 

I mean, you could put your heart and soul in something and have somebody come right along it behind your work it off. Work and work and work. And was Larson I'm a eukaryote. Your play your drawing and carry up to his desk. And he had looking at it, wouldn't say a word. 

And then he took his desk now, take a break calipers and reach down inside someplace, setup something pulled out close to this and come over to your drawing and look at two points. And they weren't the dimension of the calibration. He said, Son, you need to go work on that some more. And you spent weeks. And it was over just like that might start over because you couldn't figure out what you got wrong. 

They couldn't fix it that oh yeah, I saw everybody loved that class, right? 

Drag the head and entrepreneurs. 

And one of the exams, they would give you two drawings of a strange object, a front view and side view. 

But they wouldn't give me the other view. And the class object or the exam was to draw an isometric of it. 

So you showed everything. I figure out wildlife. And again, it was, it was also weird. 

And so I learned right quick that you'd go to the robbery and you'd buy one of those big erasers and you would sit down and you'd carve out what you saw the front. 

Then you'd carve out the m and you can take it and turn it and you could see it should be on the other side. Oh, how was clever? 

But someone told me how to do it. That was called the good word to get the good work. Yeah. The word somebody shared that with what I was oh, you came to tech and an amazing time in that. It was growing very quickly with the GIs and everything else. Women were admitted that year and we had a fantastic football. Oh, yeah. It was the best of times. It was it was what I will do. Evil one. I just assumed it was he was always like this. And it wasn't always like that at everybody was really into Workday. Oh, yeah. It was wonderful. I if I interview people for that time period, I mean, it just it was like a crackle in the air. Everybody was so excited. Oh, there was no apathy towards what was going on on the campus. I was excited. It was great, Great. Pep rallies. Shirt, tail breeds know that. And it was, it was, it was fun, it was tech. It is very finest. 

Traditions were all in full swing front from bam, there was the president then curl relativists present when you came in, did you ever have an opportunity to ever meet him? 

I did. As a freshman, we were all invited to the presidential really? 

Yeah. 

At the beginning, at the end of your freshman year, at the beginning of the year, raring and everybody it was a Sunday afternoons, I remember Saturday or Sunday was we can provision. And everybody was invited to come. The person told he's dressed, support oh, yes. Codeine and run it. Of course. 

And people with an event, how many freshmen, whether hundreds there had to be less than 50 student, but it's been 1252. 

Then everybody came and went to the receiving run and shake your hand or talk to you or I don't remember the details, but yeah, we want to Japan's everything. And at that time the steps went straight down to tense tree. And now he knows a big wall there. 

But as I remember, there were steps, so it was actually assessable. You could see it from the street at that time. It goes up on the hill. Yeah. 

But there was some steps up from sensors, I remember. 

But we went there and then later on after I met surely and they had the shorted which that parties are yeah. You got to know them better. I got them. It was an intimate campus even though to you with 5000 students that seem like a big campus. 

But actually it was pretty intimate. Everything was on the west end of the atlas was what was in that new Textile Engineering Building. I tell her that's gone now. There's gone and the Hemphill So rather than through the campus then? 

Yes. 

So it was just a magazine. There's an osteon was they didn't have algebra immortal. It was built while we were there. 

There was a World War Two Barrick step structure there that were where social science we're still however, if that was the old armory, it was an old barracks room. It was just it was near the high school. 

Now, at that time, ROTC was mandatory there, you know, it for the first two years. Yes. 

So why don't you gotta take mandatory I don't know if it was a pretty busy environment. There were a lot of things to do than weren't there are keeping up with the great part of it. You had Air Force, ROTC, army, and navy able to read through which the judges, therefore Air Force. 

And so you had drills what Thursdays? 

Thursdays in those days it is now, I think everybody had to wear their uniform that I think it was Thursday. I don't know if you had to wear a uniform. Did you still have to wear your rat? 

No. Thanks to when you were in uniform your your your military. Yeah. Yeah. You could do that worth it. 

So one day out of the weights, That's right Up mouth. 

But the rest of time, we can enjoy a pleasure that you're now I'm I still I'm picturing you in this first quarter there. Did you even see a woman? 

Oh, yeah. I'll show the girls OTA you listed out, you know, Diane and Elizabeth. Elizabeth, yeah. They stood out like sore thumb and thereby, it was great. There was no animosity at all among the students. I didn't hear any descended from refreshers. 

Yeah, there was some and there was some dissension beforehand, but one thing that there was no mountains in that very, very little. 

So you had no I didn't get to know later on passing. Did you get to know Dean Griffin? 

No. That's all I am and that's all. 

But nevertheless, it was George paper towel around in those alias. 

So you did get the word on that? 

Oh, yes, sir. 

But I knew at George people do. 

How did they transmit that information and those days, did you just pick it up in the robbery or the conversation? 

Would come up in discussion with the fraternity. 

So he was caught on to the oh, yeah. Oh, now that the Turnitin Let's go back to that. You had to go to the pledge? 

Yeah. 

But what do they call? 

It? 

Rushes? 

Yes. Okay. Smokers, they call them as I will take all the padding, all that. 

Greek life was a big deal on the campus and those days, yeah, she's very, very prominent part of the grant. 

How did you choose? 

Did you rush for lots of Russia was rushed by Alembic, I am by sigma lambda calculus day I was like Okay, and somehow I just chose, they're going to probably was a bad choice. 

But because eventually I really didn't. I didn't. You'd never lived in the photography? 

Yeah. 

Well, adult activity, it isn't for everything and your father wasn't pushing it towards that. And I'll let you have your own mind. 

But that's fun there. I mean, I remember homecoming was wonderful. To get involved in the back. Not the right for yoga and the whole diminished book. 

Oh, putting the thoughts and the thoughts but the displays in our yards and we being interested in sound all that, I've produced a sound which nobody ever had on campus. 

Wow, what? 

We were PLOS ONE, what I headed home but we were playing loud music and people dancing in the streets and everything. Oh, you just subtract them so you are just playing music? 

Yeah. 

I mean, I loved but other attorney has that did not have that match and that brought crowds that they did. And it wasn't till next year. 

The other thing people had same thing. 

So sharp, sharp, happy, and still with what it's all about, how fun that you guys were the first, well, we have a greater migration and all the time you're commuting back and forth? 

Yep. And in the second quarter, gotta room. 

So you had put your name and tell her yeah. Yeah, room and towers. And your parents were pleased with that that tell you about it though. I must have made it easier to be part of the campus that it was a great byproducts. 

So it was, I still buy carpet which refreshment couldn't eat the current campus but they didn't take years away from no. I didn't give it back. No. Voluntary and going on no, no, no. That's really interesting because you are one of the few that you must have made you very popular. 

Well, you might want to go out on dates, have Chi-square a big deal, drunk and hard to come by and try it. 

We heard lots and lots of stories about people having to rent cars even in order to go on dates, but better yet to find someone who had one, which means you your dates were always multiple. Fovea on when we were dating that Scott girls group. That wild ride back at night to get a Mumbai wasn't midnight element. And I've heard over and over it was a ridiculous curfew, what it was, but it was real. 

And so you'd make the wild ride back to be sure they got there because they didn't pay, they didn't do you any good to defy the rules? 

Did it know that leg up drop? 

Yeah. And, you know, one of the editors of the yellow jacket get a girl back late one night. And he got caught shoveling around a wonder at the dorm. Wow. And she was kicked out and he was put on probation it to rewrite that. We're back. Sorry about that. Yeah. Wow. 

So well, that would make a belief variety. You're watching your watch when chat, yes. 

But being typical kids, you'd wait till the last minute then absolutely. She's having a good time and you go charging up Bostwick. 

Did you get addicted to the varsity like so I'm not really that one over there, but the borrower never turned me on, you know. 

But it certainly made my share of walks over there at night. 

But you'd be more at the robbery than the varsity? 

Yeah. How about juniors that was across the street? 

Junior. 

Now there's a nice little theater across the straight to the title, Yeah, well, with Azure with them. 

And Harry steakhouse, you hear about Harish, where Harris was over on Spring Street and it was just north of where 14th go. That was big bucks. No no Arabs and expensive college kids could afford. It was wasn't well, you didn't go there every night. Will no special occasion life. 

But it was a wooden tables for the initials carved in them. Oh, yeah. And you push a button and the bell and the way it would go? 

No. 

But it will it was a hangout place for everybody and they sold beer. And at the age was 18 at that time, so everybody could drink beer. I think it was 21. You think it was when they were selling beer to you guys when you work 21. Maryland would never tell him. I think it was 20 more rarely, I don't know. I don't know what it was. I believe was pilgrims around still that are headache. I've heard of it. I never went to it. 

It must have gone by that because it would have been right across the street from the varsity if there was a place across street and the bars too, but it was what did he I think pilgrims was where the expressway who didn't get torn down? 

Yeah, got torn down eventually. I didn't know at what point in time. 

So you went to football games and got all caught up in the school spirit. No doubt, the IFC form of proposals, a big center. There was still a big deal in the fifties that oh, that was the big B social function of the year. And it was great. Just break. 

Well, we've heard a lot of stories. You look at the yearbook, she's see, they had they were very formal. Everybody wore long dresses and desktop. And we had big bath. First year we had a Woody Herman that's a big name as big name. 

And we we had a informal dance Friday night on the tennis court should Peter's part where the parking lot parking decks are analogies but temperature. And so and that was coat and tie but sport coat die. And then Saturday afternoon was a concert and the old Jim concert by would herman. Oh, you didn't dance. You went and listened to get malicious give counter. 

And then Saturday night was white jacket, delicate and formal dresses at the Biltmore and one of the bathrooms. And the band was over. That's the base takes up the whole week? 

Yeah. They put play three times. Okay. Father, IFC. 

So you guys worked all year round and come up with that, ha guess, you know, they they texts all the fraternity, so we're 26 or so fraternities and thereby would chip in. I have no idea. 

Would it go now what do you guys have such good, strong memories? 

I thought that was extraordinary, wonderful, wonderful, and great time. And that's back to the time in the air. I was also working in the library for my brothers. 

Did you go to work at the library in 1932 when you got them? 

So your dad thought was a good idea for you to have a job right off the bat? 

Well, it wasn't full-time job. 

Miss Krause when I met Miss crossroad because the company I worked for part-time and in the summer, Baker fidelity, which are just started, supplied to her a large sound system for the music room. Okay. 

Now we got to stop talking about this. 

You move to Atlanta and August and you got a job right off the bat with this price? 

Well, I had a leg up. What was that? 

Well, the the baker had had supplied backup fidelity though. That's abide all equipment to Pullman DOD who worked for a research station. I told her about me. How about you from Baker? 

From Baker. And then she said, Will you maintain all this equipment for equal pay me to do this and that font. 

So we had a large system in the big listening room. And then when they were now, what is it? 

Where was that located? 

Downstairs. The library was still very new, random and she had just renewed dedicate. It was on the lower level on the west end. Okay. And there's a big room and there were either three or four are listening carousel rooms. Should check records out and go into room. And we had a small system in each room. And you could sit in and study and listen to music. Wow, that was pretty Iraq, right? 

Yeah. And the like that and the music belong to the library library. 

But she, she purchased these backwards and purchase all the records. And we had a big selection. Surprisingly, most of it was classical and the kids loved it. I missed putting drew was the library. Music library and neat lady needle. A music library. Yeah. Yeah. 

Miss Potter, she was just so much nicer to me and in later to surely, but I maintained it and then we bought a doctor and getting a large tape recorder, professional tape recorder. 

But when they buy impacts. 

And so she ordered, there's big bucks and it's not 12, $1500, which a lot of money and warm Alice, tell us a lot of money. 

But I said Misko, crossing what we need, we can transfer all these records to tape so they won't wear out. On top of that, we go around record functions on campus. What's the thought was that there was a great idea. 

So we ordered one, hadn't come in when they had the first IFC concert when I was there, which was in the spring with Woody Herman. And so I went to impaction, so I need to borrow a tape recorder, DO hours comes in. And so they love the impact was the leading manufacturer of magnate recording in the world. Every recording studio in a head-to-head Ampex anyway. 

So I got to tape recorder and we set up to record myself, record Woody Herman at the concert. Ever know how to do that? 

Well, we had read hitch and an hour, so two hours, something like that. 

Before the concert, I was setting up all the equipment and the musicians that you do and have them either get old Miss Krause items crossing to that collage report this because they are ascap music. And she said, Well, let me work on it. And she got on the phone. 

And when it came time for the concert, we recorded no idea how either crossover phenomenon, she had a way of going right to the top. 

I shan't got things done like nobody I've ever seen in my life isn't that from fat? 

So we recorded it. And now who would she have had to convert precedent and ascap or some I don't know. 

You never know what she got amazing, but she got permission brush recorded and reported, and I'm so then you could use it in however. 

So you kinda, we did every year thereafter. And then we recorded that the symphony played for us at times, we recorded that. 

Where did the softening point anyway, algia, Atlanta Symphony came to Georgia Tech and restock and conductor. 

Wow, and we had things that then we recorded Third Army Band concert suggesting park and Albert Goldman Pops Concert. 

So we have lots of original live tapes. Whatever happened, I had anomer only this kills me. All that equipment disappear. All those records, all those tapes. 

Where could they have? 

I have no idea of Isaac question of over and over I asked maybe she knew nothing about it. 

So I don't I don't know what happened to it, but it disappeared. 

But there was a collection of records. Great question. How many hours a week would you work to maintain equipment? 

I mean, it's not much. Not much. Was it flex time you came when you want it? 

Yeah. Yeah. There was a problem. Somebody called you, go yeah. You know, it was all good equipment. We rarely had trouble. And it was something you've loved? 

I love do it because your habit yeah. Yeah. It's nice to get paid for something. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Them as crosser would just always so nice to me. She was just a great lady. When one does research on what she accomplished is my background that she accomplished? 

Absolutely. 

Yeah, a woman way ahead of her time, but we know we need blank tape and she would go to has a reef ribosome in New York. And he made magnetic tape with the best tape in the world. 

But it was the price point. You set it to no cases of it. Or you wanted to you could play with everything that ramp on my main resources for yeah. 

So it was and then she'd go get records from some poison or big room, full catalog records. 

Don't we wish that stuff still existed somehow because it would be priceless now, all of a so your first year was pretty successful with do you feel like you were in the right place? 

Yeah. No problem with nella French. And so there was no question you are coming back in. 

So that summer you got a job. The job was kinda got Fulton brothers. And they weren't establish electrical big electrical contractor. 

They were in downtown on the petri arcade, which doesn't exist in a salad about that for the national as you know, right downtown. What was it? 

Explain it to me. What's this jerky? 

Yeah. Because a lot of people don't even know what those arcade at RANDBETWEEN. I'm forgetting the streets now, but it had all kinds of stores and banks, shops. 

Muzak was there and thankfully though it had a frontage, I'd piece trace straight but you know, the frontage of the all white home or frontage on which the stream, the other side. I've forgotten now. 

But anyway, it ran between two blocks. And I know what you did. It was like a like a mom, I'll be an old mall two-story as the original models. 

So you can do the last hop. 0 and 0 had a tree and the light came and spent kind of cool, fatuous three stores. It was street-level, below grade and above. And at one level up shows relevel. That was pretty cool. The washroom, and they had been there for a long, long time. Old old building, Kimball House was just down the street. It was still there and backed up to the old railroad tracks. 

So beside with their retail outlets in there as well as offices and everyday when very few officers must it was retail. Said Fulton Brothers was they had an office there and they also did some retail. They were so vouchers and wet bulb. 

So like I already was help, but most of their business was left with hundreds. 

And during the daytime hours ago for for them, I would deliver light bulbs to buildings downtown where they had contracts while the lightbulb drove truck just delivered things, cut wire two lengths for the electricians person. 

But what they hired me for was to operate the sound system of the also the error term. And that would have been the one that was Edward? 

Yeah. That's right. There's original order for Cortland. Yeah. Yeah. 

And that was where all the monitor I mean, it was it was it anybody famous coming to Atlanta would have been perforin hash. We had we had a wrestling matches, I really thought was everybody's entertainment. They had all-night sings, the gospel groups, dances for both blacks and whites. Public dances. Oh, yeah. And they brought bands and live music. 

But Andrea Yeah. Not big bands, but not local bands. 

And whatever the call for you did the sound system, right? 

Well, you must have worked late hours then. Oh, yeah, though. Granted to a distorted. They run at 02:00 AM. Wow. 

But she loved it. 

Yeah, I was actually I had to I would have to collect the payment for the same system at intermission. 

A young guy like you at that time and they wanted to go down to the manager's office in the promoter for whoever that was would be there and I'd get the money for it. And as much as $35.50 dollars, I'm like Yeah. 

But no ticky laundry. Oh, so they always paid up. There was no damn. 

Well, you know, they they had had the money from that, from the tickets and the gate. And so they would have to count out you're part of it, Give it to me. And that was never a thought of. 

This is not a safe thing for a kid to be walking around with a lad, know, well, I've already got a dollar, but that was a different time or sign of money in those days. I mean, you couldn't have replaced that if if you remember. Oh, yes. It was a lot of responsibility. 

Who's the most famous group you remember? 

Common Eric, Did anybody famous ever come or was it all just pretty local stuff? 

I'm sure there were some things. I don't remember them, no. 

So there was nobody whacked. Natural services. Circus came to the auditorium to OU and the ice age. I squared you Jonestown system. I suppose where they do bring in to bring or someone phrase it. Yeah. When they have them. Yeah. 

This was a pretty big city auditorium that well, it was done when that big, noisy about five thousand, five thousand symphony play there. And they put in a ramp of the symphony, this E2 LV. And your bedtime, I'd walk on it. It made all this noise going after. 

The acoustics were not good for me, but that was Henry soft and was conducted them is that we had so everybody Yeah, support it. They finally move the symphony to the tower theater. And it was much better than the city or turn. What was the tower look to it, they tell you it's cross the street from the hospital. Cross street from a preferred lot. Rougher, long Yeah. That is right down in there. Is still that change that no. It changes things many times. Did yeah. Yeah. It was early or late afterwards. It became the Columbia theater. Like you were I think there and it had some other name, teardrop. 

But it was big enough to I mean, I remember going there. I went much better than RStudio turn, really? 

Oh, yes. Yeah. I agree with you and Atlanta and supported this kind of stuff? 

Yeah. They came out for entertainment? 

Yes. Miss Potter, you and gave gave gave tickets to the symphony to me. And you're always there with that. 

Because as she was privy to getting that, she would get them animal where she got them or we went to should the Messiah one should give mysteries. 

It's, it's interesting to me because you are only 19 years as health or something that you were running, something that they had that much impact on that many people was famous and a lot of confidence in your abilities. 

But Fulton Brothers were the ones that responsible for it. 

So they had the franchisee and amazement and they didn't want to work all night, so they send you out. 

But what a deal. The fall of 53. 

You went part-time back with the foot and brothers and went to school, right? 

That is this when you move into tower, you back Yes. Chase there. Okay. How different was life? 

It's different though. It was fun on campus. Know that. Had you declared your major, right? 

Well, yeah, I thought were major winner. Yeah. 

So you were taking already taking some electrical engineering classes? 

Yes. Yes. Taking physics. 

Well, no. That was the so-called clashes that year there, which was, you know, the physics of it. 

I think I had that WE course in and I've forgotten, but mostly the o the normal sophomore glasses calculation. 

Usually the sophomore year is when you introduce your major classes and that's what a lot of people change their major. They find out that you were far outside. Somewhere along that year. Was well, how much early? 

And that's because she also got a job at the library. All she entered check that year. She transferred in Detroit and labor. She went right to work now she's working typing. Didn't she worked directly from Mrs. chrysler? 

Yeah. 

But she was typing Library of Congress scourge, cuz it was the old system, Dewey Decimal System. And you just happened to run across are and this is customs office. Know they're in the music room. Oh, because she spent some time there too. And we met and we started dating that phone. And so and never stop. Never stop. 

So so she was a transfer student and she she told us that she lot of Georgia Tech right off the bat. Oh, yeah. She didn't have any trouble. 

So you guys had pretty EMSA prayed. Heavenly time wasn't it was just the perfect time going Oh girl. And taking part in college activity only thing. She got involved with the sorority and Welsh word AQIM the next year. Yeah. 

But it just opened up worlds of social life activities and and this is Kosslyn was a very important to both of us and she really was she she asked was to write a paper or something. I forgot where it was now, but we spent a large I'm right, that baby together. Oh, I got paid for it too. 

Well, you have paid for it. That's for every dollar an hour, a dollar now to us. And we're paying. That was high. We were the highest page students in the library, really $1 an hour. See, or they were making less than a dollar an hour to work? 

Oh, yes. Different times for money here. Yeah. Surely needed the most. You know, she was really struggling. And I worked a lot in the summer, so I had some money. 

But you kept your foot when fathers job though, when school started, full-time student, the only time I doing work for them was when they had the Christmas Tree Lighting and which is a big issue I want to come to. Yeah, yeah. 

Now, they were responsible for putting lights on the famous Rich's course. Not no white electric did that. They had the sound contract. They did the sound. 

And so the first year I went down, they've been they've done it for three or four years prior to that. 

So my first year was the November of 56 rate, which is right where we are storing. It fell, it reaches a heated up with filming and deadly Pope. He was in-charge of displays or something. And we the headphone wires and they only face shells. And we've put microphones on every bridge. They had the four bridges. And we put myFunction every bridge. And then we had a cluster of speakers on a, on a parapet down below. And we sat on about the second bridge level at the corner so we could see them. And the director of the quires sat there and the choirs could hear each other. They could just, that could just see the director, which was fine for the way the show progress goes. 

It started off with the children's quarter on the first level and then there was a high school adult adult the top and there's always the top that did the finale of a holy night. 

And for description, if it was the link between the two, which is buildings that exact had level, say what crop bridges across peasant class, glass face bridge. 

So they would hire or whatever. 

I don't know if they were paid to perform or not, but the performers would file in and they would be there and the lights turned on and they performed exactly right all the way up to the top and the final big thing with the tree itself turn yeah, that's right. And it turned on at the top where saying and then the soloist worked, walked out. She was from South Carolina. I've gotten an e-mail, but she was quite good. She's saying, oh, holy night. And that's what actually turned. And she saying the first part of it solo. And then at 1 in the music, all of the quires came in together. Wow, but the trick was they couldn't hear each other. They can look at the conductor, oh boy, talk about timing. And typically some of the more out. And so bobbing camp was the announcer. Not from the box, the organ player from the vine and WSP, WS, ws be personal. And Bob was announcer. 

And then African who the director of English when she's named Nicky, not found was for all the thousands of people that came to see this happen. Let's say you are broadcasting sound out into the, into the community which had to be pretty loud. Did was rape or that time? 

First year was really terrible. It was all just PA quality was terrible. 

But anyway, probably yeah, was it acquires weren't and zinc. And so we'd have to identify who was out, not turn them off. And and then that's the owner. And then at the climax of the holy night, the tree maternal. 

And so so that took a lot of a lot of coding to his says yes, that they broadcast over the radio to know now, and they didn't televised in those days. It was to Tavares. I'm Ali was always the first page. 

So if you want to know what's going on, you had to be there. 

It'll be there to have a lot of people to Israel, 1000 your closest French or British them down for data. That was truly Lana tradition that well it was a victim. And it progressed and later on a filter that out of the business. 

Ideas to G Alpha many years, many, many 0, even after for the business, we did for them, we took it over and we dramatically improve the quality of it, but really high-quality equipment and broadcast from the top of the bridge where the tree wash. And then the program became so popular. Richer said they were going to have quires on both sides of the bridge. Requires. 

So then that way you have double the crowds that I had for years been trying to get them to prerecord this whole thing. 

So that first of all, it would sound good because the pick up of the wires on the bridges last was terrible. And then the synchronization problems were horrible because they were out of sync. 

Well, when they went to the quires on both sides of the bridges, then it became apparent the head do something goes the other side of the bridge, couldn't see the director. Not only could they see, they click here, everybody was on their own. Yeah. 

So they succumbed. And we prerecord it. Enriches what was their share your phasor quantity, and remember, that was it into the 60s by them. Probably you. And so riches was very nervous about it. Because a, they want it to be live. Anyway, but they didn't say anything about. 

But few recorded from that point forward. And of course, sound quality was great that, so that everybody can enjoy. And so all the choir showed up and we had monitors so they could hear. 

So think about that. 

But I was playing tapes and I had to tape record. 

Both synchronize, both playing the same piece of music so that if one of them failed, you could ask them unless there. And we did that for years. That's amazing and I don't think anybody knows about what's going on. 

So after Fulton brothers at turnover to Baker, That was the transition period and Baker did it until it stops? 

No. 

We turned that we get when we were doing some rental public address, quit work that we did a lot around town. 

But we decided to get out of that relationship was a very demanding business. People want you to travel with them and everything and there's really not obey. And so we turn it over to what, when, what we do for number of years until they move. 

But she still had plenty of Christmas stories to tell. 

Herschel might would be Wednesday night, and they would feed us all at the lingual, the dining room on the top floor, riches. And I know the Migdal, your feed everybody. Then we go down, do a rehearsal. And then Thursday night you show up and wash the store was dark. It was weird. You walk through that store at night when it's dark corner. There's semantic and everybody came back. 

They really they rehearsed on Wednesday, came back and recorded on Thursday, came back and did the show and Thursday. Yeah. 

So you caught it at that. 

Now we recorded when we're recording it. We recorded at weeks in advance. Oh, you didn't weeks in advance. Yeah. They'd get each choir into our studio and record them. And then we take a mixture of all the quires to do the finale and the soloist. 

So you were actually mixing the sound from it. 

Well, we have a studio do it, has to do, Wow, what a fun behind-the-scenes story. It's something that was a real Atlantis charges on the pressure was tremendously to me. 

It's amazing that the annual, whenever you're writing a traitors old tech student and you're doing something of that enormous, didn't know any better. Maryland. 

But they tried to do I didn't know any better. I didn't realize how enormous the recent actuality was. Put there. You have nerves, the stale. You go. 

Well, so now by this time and 53 going into 542, you actually are dating style aliyah and schools moving right along for both of you write, your parents are doing fine. They didn't transfer away. They still don't say that one day I was at your desk last station. What movies, theaters was he working with at that time? 

All in all selfish. 

She was manager of this district which covered the manage the theaters all over the advantage that engineers services theaters all over the southeast. 

Oh, so he went and just in that rant and he was traveling all over the price to travel around, meet with the various people that worked for him. 

I don't have any engineers ahead but the adaptation all around the country to maintain your passion for the movies. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 

So cinema scope came out. That was the first of the widescreen or some Rama was out. 

But some rebels are very special, require three projection systems, everything but Hollywood came out with cinema scope, which was the first widescreen aspect ratio center. I'm I doing Alaska. Did it? 

No, it did. It was it was around for a while, but they were very limited productions are spectacular. 

I found, was it too expensive, way too expensive? 

What's the thing that's out at the firm bank now that I'm, that I'm actually is a later version of it, but a shunt around when I MAX by far the most advanced and they had the best sound and it was phenomenal. 

But it just wasn't good for every Hollywood. 

It needs something that was more commercial shopping, those easier and that something that the exhibitors, the theaters could afford to put in this if these were the war was over and that was it. We went from having over trauma type movies and one will be starving the musicals. That was the time that the big colorful musicals canal. 

So it's tail end of it. All the musicals were in the way and early Head of Texas, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By 54, they weren't that many around that was on. 

But, but it's interesting to look at how the sociological changes of contrast, both somehow the movies were being produced, the liquidus years and world. 

Weights influenced wets, the changes from the company or the changes I want movies or for anything so far. 

But the first of the of the widescreen was the robe. And it was premiered for the exhibitors, all the theater owners at the lowest grant. I'll reread. And so I've now spent several weekends down there and night watching that go in. And that's where it was first put in and then saw it. And then the fox was the first one to short commercially. 

And I was down at the fox fur that was put in when they first some similar scope split and they had to put in the new screen. And then the stereo sound system and surround sound and all that. And so that's where cinema scope first appeared publicly in the city. And you were there, I was in control of maintaining. You're interested in the movement? 

Atlanta was a real progressive community. 

It'll always was from day one, they were always looking ahead, but it was kind of an exciting time to be living in it. Laugh. You know, football was great and lots of, lots of progressive things were happening on the campus. In fact, the yearbooks from that time say it was a changing thing. 

Now the women were here and seeing what changes did you just love being there? 

Well, I did, but it was interesting. You keep something there in my dorm room, room to 35 towers. I could see downtown. And at the end of the expressway which ended right there, Yeah. There was the delta sign. 

But the downtown buildings beyond it, the tallest building in downtown. Then I saw go up. And it was a full-time National Bank building, which was what, 1212 stories. Like I said, it towered above everything. 

If I did that, you came see it. 

Now, we can't go over something. 

What you get. You actually were watching it rather than write out the window. Yeah. And then of course everything is built around it. Sitting. In the fifties and sixties, they just started expanding so rapidly. 

But it was such a fun and there was a big city, but small town. 

And a lot of ways that's a feeling I get from talking to people when I came here to New, so many people? 

Yeah, When I came here it was much smaller town assumption of it. You get that feeling? 

Yeah. 

But it rapidly changing. 

But you were like just one degree of separation away from Roman. Everybody in town. It was possible for people to know, everybody knows who grew up here. Did I know the richest people they could know the mayor of negative 10. That's right. You know what was going on. 

You could always get in touch with somebody, could somebody else knew somebody and they are heartfelt was well, where do you see? 

Well, yeah. And he was very accessible because it would always Ankur it was a time of innocence. Yeah, it really wasn't. Technology was the beginning of Rock and Roll to write about that time. Do you remember being exposed to that kind of music for the first time? 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Leave us and Ed Sullivan Show the optional that was, uh, you know, I still like my big band, yeah, in classical music, jazz, yeah. And then the Elvis came along and digital was a flash in the pan. Yeah, The Beatles sram again. And that brings us to a really cool story. I want to know the story about the beetles because you went down in history. While the Beatles, or with the Beatles showed up in New York, it's all true. And then they toured the country and one of their tour stops. 

So Svetlana, wherever they're going to perform an old Atlanta stadium with the original, original which had just opened. Had Middleton long. We're talking Fulton County stereochemistry appointments, right? 

And I wasn't open air. 

Opening our circular, circular stadiums are a real problem from sound standpoint because with all reflections are in there. 

But anyway, the seeding were sold out for half the stadium, 180 degrees. In the center of the stadium was second base, geographic center of that statement. 

So they put the stage second base and they faced towards home plate. 

And they saw all this each side something around which was blocked, 30000, so and they had no trouble selling seats because they were real. Oh, yeah. 

And so we did the soundboard and we've set up all the sound equipment on the feet and I'm here with that had been he probably has gone ahead of you here, but it's already into the early 60s, maybe. Yes. 

And that's actually when you say when you're talking about baker Baker Bruckner, and all the kids showed up and we'd set everything up and we thought we had everything right and there was a warm up or any doping at. 

They came out and we bought died because they were, we couldn't get them quite loud enough and we're around the edge of feedback and I was sweating bullets. That was terrible because that was actually happening right then. Yeah. That's one of the big pressures. And then doing show type things as he attempts no rehearsal for you there. 

So we're sweating bullets. And then finally they got through. 

The Beatles, came out in a memo from the outfile and drove the stage and they jumped up on the on the stand and they started and they just not your head off. I mean, they really say so. We had no problem at all. Really. 

You didn't that under review had a problem with but you didn't weren't seeing loud and they, they weren't projecting. Whereas a Beatles came out and they really built to do. And the place went crazy. Oh, how it's crazy. I have a sound level meter there and I think the kids screaming was a 100 vibe. It was different while but everybody could hear their behavior. And the anxiety for that. Oh yeah, right there, we're happy. Beatles, real happy. And how happy the manager asked me travel will go to all the venues around. Like I was a manager at that time. I remember I've got his letter with the authors. And he actually did he approach you that night or after the fact? 

After the fact. And then he actually wrote me and said, Hey, this guy is on. We ever had Bassoon with them ahead. 

And Will you please travel with this all over the country? 

Sure, you're going to come big rupee for The Beatles. I said no, thank you. 

But I have a job here. Isn't that interesting? 

They actually offered to SAS to do that. And you passed up your favorite fortune. Who knows what would have been by that, right? 

But we've got the letter, the office personally. What did you think of the Beatles? 

They were okay. That wasn't caught him know that was the ulcers in and the kids went crazy. With the later years. You listen to that music was pretty dog. Yeah. Yes. Great. 

In fact, you probably appreciate it a lot more now they absolutely not that time they wrote some great music. 

We just have to grow into thinking that I'm HA, whereas the youngsters adapted it then and there that was there. It was there. Their thing. 

If you if you want to turn people on, you find out what your them at the high school and play their high school of music. Yeah, that's true. 

And it was more about it wasn't just about the music, was the whole idea that I hope you got something event. The girls that went crazy for each one of the Beatles that was all had nothing to do with me. Like many of them weren't even listening to music. 

But those that grew up with it began to appreciate when it actually, why don't went, go back to I just didn't want to forget that story. 

So back to school. Your relationship with Shirley was getting serious? 

Yeah. We were dating all the time. I could he wanted the paternity else. There's no need to go there. You had all year? 

We did. And that she was in the fifties, 45, where they decide to form. The sorority. Must have been 54, late 54, 55. Yeah. And then she really got involved with that. The all these are wondering the last five or six. By that time we had imported a few more. Her, yes. Yeah. And they were living originally when I first started dating her. They were living across the street from the campus in the apartment building or the Burj work. And then they've got the households history. Did she ever live in the Y that was a later time when these DWI okay. 

So she got the House District, which was Mrs. Van layer. I wasn't there. No. That was an old house and this is they convert it to a women's dorm there. 

And then there was keeping an eye on them that well, but they also had a house a house mother, Sue Thomas. She was neatly the hearing. Remember her? 

Oh, yeah. And we're very Welsh and they were eight or 10 girls living there. Yeah. 

House surely was a senior, so she had the downstairs bedroom, her own, and the rest of the girls were upstairs and their living room and seeing yourself report kitchen and sue Thomas. And she was somehow related, Ivan Allen and she took them. 

But now, what did white the girls to outdoors house and go swimming. 

So they go out with fat. 

But it was great. It was great. The issue silos Sue Sue and I shoot, took a liking to me. I go out and get our ice cream. She loved ice cream. 

And you weren't born yesterday, you know how to Scott and Sue and trillion, I sometimes would be there and which will borrow the dining board. Take a drink. She goes, Oh, yeah, good. 

At where did you make up your mind to propose? 

Did you ever formally proposed to Shirley or was it just a given that you would marry when you Karl, I guess it was sort of a given but we were talking about before senior year. And I guess it was 56. Then she went to IBM. I'll never forget Chile telling me that she went to the robbery at 1 in time with a group. 

I don't know through with that group or not, but she said we all sat around and drink coffee and told ourselves how much everybody was going to Mrs. where we were. God. 

But he always was a rubbery drink coffee. Those stand up tables. Yeah. It didn't die. 

He had a lean or there was an area where you're sitting but mostly going to stand up and go don't drink coffee, cup coffee. What's so amazing about having had that experience that you knew so many people. You weren't isolated, you didn't know everybody went to school with him today. It's very difficult to do that. Much bigger. It was that era when we got to know kernel, that layer and Muslim there. And that's where the parties were at his house. Yeah. 

He he was so generous of withstood the restaurant, but he could be because there weren't that many of you. 

I don't want an even at five or 6 thousand, it was still a core group of campus leaders that we're doing things in participating. Very nice Jewish. It was a tragedy when he died. Oh, there it was very unexpected. Is that okay? 

Yeah. Surely went over to Ms. Van layers and took care of her daughters children. She took them off of her daughter was there. 

And and then of course, he was just an announcement that was made that he would he had a heart attack or something probably like so so there was no like everybody getting ready for this and I'll just tap it and just happened to him. He's buried in this shim jury out Mario filter. Yeah. Military. Yeah. And after that there was a fight for the political campaign. He's going to say that was the end of peace. 

And by abiding by the law, seeking their own who was going to be the acting president? 

Where are they going to get a precedent? 

That's right. And all that. And we did have quite a long period of turmoil there until at Harrison came on the scene. 

But by that time you all work on yeah. 

When you look back at it from ambitious, the one who quoted me as saying it was the best of times, it from his point of view as a newspaper columnist, that that was the best time to live in Atlanta ever, ever. It was a golden time. 

Well, you know, there was a that was the era also when we had the hanging of the Governor in effigy, the Orange Bowl fiasco? 

Yeah. 

Were you there for that oil where you, one of those people that went out Maryland never tell anybody with some pretty funny stories of battle. It wasn't a sugar bowl. Sure to check out, but yeah, that orange ball sharable. I had a date was sure it was Friday night. I went on campus. And when I choose living in that history. And you could just fuel electricity and air when he came on campus. 

Well, the governor had stated Governor Griffin, but he went, I'll let you play. And while we were not going to play in the bowl with those pit, add a black playwright. And their student body was up in arms. And that was a rare occasion for Georgia Tech. They aren't as you know. 

And so that journal and we walked Peter's part, people will just gather just a casual fan and they burned the government effigy and 1000 to get literally everybody took part. And then there's some I said, Let's go to the state capital. 

So you marched? 

Well, they marched. I drove that you did show that drove our oh, yeah. And all the kids were down there in the state patrols over the place them. Why length of the gap? 

I don't look at it. Definitely wasn't there. No. I was at five o'clock. They were there any way that the press was there and they took trespass everything. 

And then somebody said, let's go to the governor's mansion, which does a pretty good height for the lockers data. 

So thereby went out there. And did you do that too? 

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did he ever come out and talk to you? 

He was out to him. I'll be waiting. They're going to do that. 

But then I forgot. He he he really wanted to play, but he had to save face. And I forgotten the circumstance. He had run on that on the segregation of platform. 

So he said he had to take to his guns and I've forgotten how you save face, but he managed to pull it out of the fire, sidestep it. 

And of course, the irony of the whole thing is that you did end up going to those who went to the game? 

We want yeah. 

That was the shutter button when we did when it was oh, it's, uh, it was certainly an epic thing and tax history because it was so seldom that students ever made their voices. 

They just really didn't bother with things that you weren't unusual group, I've had many a person tell me that if their parents had known they got involved and that they had gotten in deep trouble, how would your daddy have felt to that you get a kid might be when a mindset that nobody got in trouble, that was I think there were a few problems with the State Patrol down our police department out the capital, that they tried to put boys in the police car and they went in once. I took the car keys with a paper plate. That was what fine. Yeah. Let now what fun gave gave to engraftment a whole lot of gray hair. Did you know? 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot of great. Yeah. I don't know if anybody what jail, not banal, intellectual. No, I don't think so either. I think there were just a lot of fossil for those in church operates go. 

Well, the shirt tail parades were really accepted by the community. That was a lie audition. 

And I didn't really do anything bad that they thoroughly you Marcia history and people would pull the way the track astrology and they pull things off the line. 

So they did that anyways. Yeah. And no harm done. There was no damage smell. 

We go downtown and we marched through the lows grand in the paramount growth stage and back out, go to the Fox News and it's just aka fully yourselves for doing it. Yeah. 

But sometimes the kids would stay. 

But hey, it was part of it. That was a long tradition. I mean, they were doing that the 20's and 30's and how long when it started, but it was I don't know. Why don't you stop the war? 

I don't know when it stopped, but it really was a great tradition. Yeah. 

And it started to get well, everything changes because there's too many people and you can't do those things anymore, it becomes dangerous. The world's just changed and that's when you say the loss of childhood? 

Different era. Yeah, totally differently or have different era? 

Totally. 

So where do we pick up our story? 

In 1958, when did you and Shirley get married? 1957. She went to work for IBM and I went to work for Baker. 

And you had worked for them part-time prior to remember, is that every bakery they felt that the company was named after oh, it was killed immobile actually follow the 55. Did you ever meet him or no one knew him well? 

Yeah. Oh, okay. And wonder if it's five. He's the one who started the company has Baker Fidelity. He started his big Fidelity. He did not financially started the backers with the fidelity sound. Yes, yeah, with that high fidelity, high fidelity, great. Change the name later years because people can fused us with bankers. That's exactly what I was going to ask, their width. And so we changed the baker audio. And so he was one of the founding partner and he was killed in a tragic accident. Yeah. He and his wife out both of them. 

They're all going out to the Howard Johnson's out it Dobbins expressway in a car crash, broke through the fence, get them head on. 

With that time the expressway were separated with a chain link fence, costs and really horrible freak accident well, everywhere. And the kids they had three kids in the backseat and get survived. 

So what happened to the company and the owner of it was Feldman and what Glenn who had the money in it and lock kept it, kept me going. I went to work full time. And part of it right after that. Yeah. Really what I could share it and then something to just continue to grow. 

So your first connection with them actually was before 55? 

As if I was your first full-time connects. Yeah. 

But I knew the company was formed because I was there when he built the first Harry Beck who built the first store, which was a carriage house back of a building OB3, next to the old IBM built. 

So was it sounds like I was in the downtown area or 42000 be true. North version point is yeah. Right. Grocery from that. That was the first day her Ayodhya there. It wasn't a retail store, I guess. It wasn't retail stock. And what did they file? 

High fidelity equipment home hypothetical. And that guy wasn't their focus. The focus was more commercial. No. No commercial at all. Only retailers only Horn started that way. Yeah. 

So when you went to work for them as a part timer, we wanted I was motion and industrial endeavor and a lot Glenn, who was the man with the money and it also shouldn't. 

So he's appointed that IgM and so we started developing the industrial, we did the first shell has ever more Gaussian and many of the buildings around him, the calcium was 950 fix I think. It's five or six. Yeah. Yeah. 

So as young as you are where you are already involved in a project that back, yeah. Yeah. And so But it was growing. 

So what did you start as when you started full time as a technician? 

That's a salesman. Salesman looking for clients and you've looked at the commercial under it. While I was in retail. 

Start with we know that much industrial site, push and pull industrial, but the company continues to grow. The meantime, Shirley was working for IBM Research and Development up Poughkeepsie. 

So we were geographically challenged. Yeah, Jeff traveling traveling up their assumptions, driven down here. And so we got married in September of 57. And and they're actually in Poughkeepsie up there. And they had folks come, yeoja, her mother and sister gain that can make it. And then lots of friends came. And then we went on a honeymoon to keep God. And then came back to Atlanta. And she couldn't work for IBM because it wouldn't allow women to work in sales. Because they're married or because women couldn't period. Women couldn't period. And that's all we had an idea and here was sales. Yeah. Yeah. No research. 

So she were very, very strict in Poughkeepsie. I think that's a joke that if you ever buy dressing coat into, are women a nice dresses. And if you cashed your check and a BAR, you'd be fired. They tracked you. Wow. Wow. Watson was still that was like total Supreme Commander. Yeah. Yeah. They controlled your life. Oh, yeah. 

So what do I think? 

It was everything in Poughkeepsie, the religious realm. Absolutely there. And so when Shirley moved home, Alana was always home for you by the way, you move back here. She looked for a job with solid engineer band, which turned out to be better for her. And I said, Okay, so so you started then to sculpt. Did you continue to buy? 

I have not had an edge whenever you did. 

So you really put your faith and that you, that you educate yourself to answer something. A faith that was well founded. Yeah. Yeah, it worked great for me. Later years we got our retail business. Yeah. I wondered when and what point in time. I don't remember the exact date, but it was in the 60s. And by this time you've had assumed a fairly major role and Ryan and Vice-President company. And a lot when I'm still on dude, he was by far the maximum. And then in the privately-held, yes, there wasn't propaganda and the 70s key section about walkout. And and he was he an employee? 

They're like you or someone? 

Yes, just yet. Okay. 

So he'd come up in this, right? 

Right. Right. Right. 

And so we bought we own the company then we would we have pieced papers as we want, but we have to pay for it. And so we struggled and paid for it. And the whole idea was to take a totally commercial, it was all commercial them. And retail was really just more of an aggravation. Really wash really well. And so we grew it. 

And what's your first really big contracts? 

When did you know that you were going to the hilt hotel downtown was one of the first early bunch. And it was big and that those aren't those nodes. 

But we did all that, that project, that antenna equipment, all the ballrooms. We did a lot of hotels. And then the really giant contract that goes well was mid-field. And what's been yeah, Atlanta Airport. I never heard of cognitive therapy for most what was called mid-field airport. 

If this was in the middle of the field, the other airport was off to one side and it was between the runways. 

So it was all doing the design arrows got material instead of hardship. That's very interesting. 

So then when it, when it just happened that hearts filled, how to name that and it felt like read the transit. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. That was your first major big well, hello, world. Here we are. Yeah. It was it was huge, huge. It was over a million ohms. And then there were other other they turn out to be several million dollars. When did you start going out of the Atlanta area? 

Would've been away a long time. 

But after that, the next year in fact, we did the Orlando Airport which was giant. 

And then since I know we did so once you establish yourself nationally and your work, we did projects all over the all over the country. Dfa and LAX, airport behavior. Thank Kim, big thing. We also did a webinar team, churches, small to large customer and Puerto Rico. 

Very tough work in other people's money on How did that start? 

At just something I do some work down there for Eastern Airlines. When they get big that they own the CRM are Beach Hotel. And then other things went along from there. 

And what does it see if it goes someplace? 

It's like planning a feed, it grows and somebody else wants somebody. Having customers around the nation. It's word of mouth that gets you. The airlines were good. Some adult airlines being here in Atlanta, we met people at Delta and it's worked for them. And they were very good to us. And we did a ton of work for them. 

But we learn the airline business and they introduced us to Eastern into United and American. And one thing led to another impression when you all their land people on a first-name basis. 

And so that led us all over the country and various projection and we, we developed a flight control system that they use to control all the aircraft and each airline, and they have a center generate the home-base. Delta has one, Atlanta, United, Chicago American, DFW, et cetera. Canadian air up in Montreal. Anyway. 

But anyway, this is where are their controllers, dispatchers reside. 

And they control where the airlines go and where the planes go and when the pilots number 1 and command. 

But when the pilot has a situation like he's dispatch, um, Atlanta, Chicago, when he gets up the country in North assumption out on Chicago's fog and snowed in or something, You can't go here. 

Then calls back to dispatch and says, Okay, well, what do I go from? 

What we know, where's the best place, middle land where they can handle the past and is where we can get this plane out here and get it back in the system. 

And so they make those decisions and that they also, if they have any kind of a problem on the airplane, pasture that sick or mechanical, they can call back to Dispatch. 

Well, what what did Baker did? 

The audio systems we made we made it's all done by telephone networks. It's, it's a bunch of transmitters and receivers located all over the country. 

But they come back to that, especially on telephone lines. 

And we build a council that allowed them to access any of these frequencies in any of these transmitters. 

So they can either talk out over she calls coming in. And, and we put one in for delta y. We put WN American chemokines thoughts that we want. And so we end up doing everyone in this country, Canada. Wow, that's a niche market. Niche market. And so as you grow this business to that, how many employees there we go out to a 100 at one time. 

And these would be actually hands-on, producing, producing, and installing it, and designing and selling them or anything. 

And your primary purpose besides managing was to keep the sales, to find the contacts? 

Well, my partner was the salesman on the group, the key Hicks. And I was headed up the engineering and w and I was president, he was vice versa. 

So that you have somebody come in to manage these 100 people. Like them. Yes, it's more than that. That was an area like who's managing people. Of course it is, that's the most complicated thing to happen, keeping people happy. And I still were heavily involved in sound. 

Another thing, unless that the human resources part of it is less interesting much let me then that the engineering part out for you to come up with these concepts just so it just evolved to being all commercial. You sold off retail and just got bigger and bigger. It's right by word of mouth around what's the biggest job and every actor. I don't companies think of things like that. 

One, that one of the airports, in fact, I think one of the maybe mid-field know it was when they expand. We put in the we did the concourse expansion because we did e plus. There was a whole bunch of Curie we did also and it was 45, me know. And that was after a long period of time that didn't happen until what they disbanded. And that brings us to something just enormously important. 

And that's how you became that anonymous voice at the airport? 

I was during that period of time, it was the prior to that. 

There wasn't all the security consciousness what our security when we open mid-field airport partial, we had a lot of places where we made announces announcement at that time, they were automated tape machines that made an announcement for now that's all digital course, but I wanted a female voice because it's more intelligible and what bus. And so I talked to the people at friends at Delta. And total amount that a female will be better. And so I got a bunch of samples of female voices here in town. And I fell one I thought was just great. 

And so we hired her and she recorded all the announcements for all those everything other than the training now training was totally different. That was washing else. 

So but all the other announcements that were in the train stations and going up the escalators in the bag. Claims. She did those. And she did a superb job. Just great. Just sent a wonderful. 

And after about 15 years, some period of time, they, so my Delta decided they wanted a male voice solace to change them all. 

So it was a serendipitous thing. It just happened to somebody about that when we're finished. 

So we hired professional and altricial and by the time we were digitizing it, but come you're digitizing was on the west coast into the well to do it. And so we would send them to a studio and they would record the announcement. And then the rest goes to the digitized, bring it back in and play it. And this took two or three weeks of time. Time we get to announce in the studio and discharged on it. When they came up with the hijackings were going everything and bomb threats. 

And the FAA came out with an edict and they had a script that they wanted recorded, they want it playing. Right now. 

I'm going to wait to actually know the people with the ADC, which are the people would actually run the airport. Atlanta airline thermal corporation, owned by all their lunch. Call me and they said We gotta get this one right now. And I said, well, what I'll do is I'll record it for you. And then afterwards we'll get a professional announcer going to do it and change it. 

But we weren't getting recorded. And we can get it going with the tape machine a day. That's it. Perfect. 

So I recorded the first one which says, Oh, well, what was it went well, it was one that plays it. Suspicious signs, contact placement if you see anything suspicious, all that. 

And so we put it on and started playing and they were happy with it, what they really liked it, but it was surprised to hear you. I didn't have to pay for professional now so they could afford it. Then they just had the digitizing to then talk about convenient forum. Yeah. 

And then there were the module ever, ever dreamed and your wildest dreams that you are going to become a commercial announcer for the airport. 

Never had costume I had you ever recorded anything before that? 

Intensive stuff, I've got 11, but I've been around studios lot. 

I did a lot of stuff for control other stuff when the Delta automatic, an AAC system we built many years ago, We are announcing the gates departures and also use Jerry Van de Vionnet to do that. 

But so you've picked up Yeah. Yeah. Some savvy about it but never dreamed that was going to be here. 

But because the price was right up, mostly because they were praised, because they wouldn't have been quibbling over there. We're happy mice apparently. And then there's a no smoking in those many bags look alike announcement out there. 

And so they found because you were so reasonable that they come back to your time and time again and they took elephants and move them around the country. 

So they called me to ask me if it's okay. And you didn't mind. That's at LaGuardia and since so many people say I'm home, I do come home. And so now you're you cannot be home and it can be due for it. I radically Cincinnati's one of them. 

Isn't that researches have a place where you had been before? 

I know that all that came about pre Olympics. Right? 

I'm going to show you as we were preparing for the Olympics. 

So, so by the time the Olympics came, you were already familiar sound at the airport, right? 

Does that a nerve you when you go through there, you hear yourself, you don't think anything of it shifting. 

I've been out there with very close range standing there, talking in that aspect comes on and they don't recommend you read. Yeah. 

Well, I've had people that listen to things that say, oh, that's the same guy out the airport. They weren't really right? 

Oh, yeah. Because you have a distinguished force me if you will do recognize brush. 

Because a lot of people that I've had other people, the patients who tell and call me and say Is that your voiceover? 

Yeah. I get it. 

I guess it's a question of whether you're listening, you're not listening, right? 

Because it's an ambient sounds or if you'd like, if it says what you expect it to say, you don't listen to what your transplant fitness. 

So it was, but a nice little interesting chapter in your life right now and we need to backup a little bit now about some other interesting chapters in your life. 

And I want to start with getting involved with Georgia Tech un surely, right, really from the get go for 40 years, that much involved initially, but financially you aren't you will always get back to them. And then, uh, we don't have any money. Yeah. 

But you still there? 

Yeah. 

But then it was great because surely because of the fact she was the first woman, she was singled out and heavily involved and it was through a lot of her that I've gotten ball effect. You had a good time getting involved. Fantastic. To hear that show. He became the precedent Yeah. When she was probably one of my leading up to it and I'm sure that I met so many people. I'm John Carter's of the books dose, just Ange and on and on and on. Yeah. All the people that ultimately made up all of your That's right. Friendships. Everybody had a commitment to the institution making it a better place. 

And whether they were just contributing money or they were actually taking active roles and running it. 

And all these people you mentioned everybody was directly involved with it and you've got appointed to the board of trustees, are invited to serve on the right. A trustee. And it's at that point in time that living history came into being. Yeah. I met you would actually knew, which would surely many times and they heal her presidency that dry. And then we were at a foundation me it was 990 for HCl. Right. I'd gotten a phone call about the idea of a 100 year-old man having his story to tell. 

Well, the idea wasn't there. It was just they wanted me to send remember Veolia for his birthday party. 

But it was after hanging up green to do it than I thought, wow, wouldn't it be cool to hear what he had to say? 

And when I took that idea and, uh, Mr. Carter, he just kinda said, well, you know, nothing. 

But that's when the fickle figure fate stepped in because you and hey, we're going to see Island. Yeah, we weren't Sea Island. 

And he brought it up to me and he said, I've got an idea which you would obviously touched ours who is at Yale. And so he said, Would you be willing to work with Maryland and work with it? 

I'd love to. 

Because you could see now we have level the benefit of value as a sound person, a person who and so quarter then collect it had been doing that all of your show you a great to be here when you got the program started, get the woman over from Alabama. Were told us a little bit about that. 

The next I always tell people the next serendipitous thing to happen was it John Carter went to vacation for it? 

That's putting her off to Africa and empowered me before he left to just go ahead and do whatever you have to do. Just a cout count to Duke on it. And you were a joyful, willful collaborator with him. 

A lot of the thing we did, we decided we would then there we would establish this program by getting some authority figure to come in. 

So we set up that where you found the people that knew what they knew a little bit about it and it wasn't easy. I had a call over the community and finally end up with the National Park Service. And so to get a manual of how you do this and find and that's where we found Dr. Marshall. And we did a seminar. Remember, we had a workshop on all day workshops, right. She came and talked to us. And you were good enough to take time off from work to Georgia. And we had people come in from the community. 

We had students and we all sat and listened to a morning session, had a box function, an afternoon session. And the one of the most dramatic things we found out you were not together at the same time. 

You had no qualms at all about the ability to record, not that the wean either one of us and we think about the legalities that were involved with that. Yeah. And that was probably the biggest gift that she gave us over. 

Other than that, ignorance is bliss for both of us because US, I asked you, Can we do video? 

There's so many more applications and use Ever fearless from abroad or why not? 

And she said, Oh no, we don't know how long the tasteful last and we decided, well, we'll try it anyways. 

And of course I think that's what made us really unique because we crawl for us, but we did that little tiny Palm quarter that was harder later drove you're not trying to control the sound? 

Yeah. We went through a lot of yeah, we we crop growth. You were a constant support. We had to train the youngsters that we used at that time so much more than we do today. We've got professionals know. Wow, and and we also had accrued equipment compared to what we shall prove. 

I mean, we start with that cabinet that had the few little instrumental thing that we're trying to do it on a shoestring. 

And we most definitely we were constantly being told You and I both 5%, then 10 percent don't put in more time on it then you have to in that type of thing. 

But by golly the ball rolling and it was amazing. And then they cut you loose, let you go 100 percent. Took five years for that now. And then once we got professional so that we could suspend the operation from the youngsters. 

But all those years you came and you had fun doing that. 

The time, you know, the kids will want to work with we took we took we took students, said no knowledge at all about video and audio. And taught them how to set up a camera and how to run the audio and pack it all up. And then we got the lighting and, you know, and just it was, it was fascinating. We were all learning together. Exactly. And we but I can say this with no reservations. 

You and I both got a whole lot more out of it than we gave as far as all students approached about the caliber of youngsters that would act as the program are able to keep and we still keep track of 34 or five years, So yeah. And we still there almost like a surrogate family in there. Somewhere along the line. They got to be more girls than boys. And I Kristen them, the goddesses and some cute girls or two. And we have generations of God as the different levels of them as they come along. And they never cease to amaze us. Another great, they're great. They never were still here for the airline industry. No. 

I think for the rest of our lives we're going to stand back and be amazed that their accomplishments and what they did on the question. And it's wonderful to, to feel that. They appreciated the mentorship. I would say that's one of the most valuable things we gotta bill. 

But the belief that you had that there was value and collecting the history of Georgia Tech 0 and wonderful that it was your belief yet, but I couldn't have done it if you hadn't been better. Yeah, but gorilla. 

But it was you had the knowledge, you have the ability and you gather it. All I did was add a little support, but that wasn't enough. They weren't just been great, but a fun, fun thing to do. And now we celebrate 10 years, 20 years and over five hundred. Five hundred, yeah, it's just kind of amazing, isn't it showed a socket? 

Certainly. We, at the time we were scrambling to stay in existence by the days. Never forecast the future that, you know, how long we would stay in business. 

Well, and there's no other institute the country that's doing what we're doing, that exactly the way we're doing it. And I can imagine that we'll ever run out of history or stories to collect. Dopamine is not. It's always going to have to be an open-ended project. Began, its history is constantly being made. And eight, we have fun. Oh, we'll we've had fun. 

We at 1 in time had the privilege, the opportunity of setting up the dorm room exhibits when the President was inaugurated. And I came to you and said, you know, what was the dorm room light 1956. 

And you'd us a diagram, tree diagram shows you if they gave you some stuff from my bowl, you did some stuff Surely. Yeah. I'm just still over there and it's still there. A temporary exhibit that was to last three months is also going into its 10th year. And it is just, in fact, it's much better attendance and it wasn't the beginning years. 

I mean, it has become because it's at the Success Center, the focal point for all the incoming youngsters who would have thought it. We didn't even dream we were sending something out. 

I'm not sure you're ever going to get trusted that'll display as you built that the Laplacian on eventually we did that too. Yeah. Were recorded the whistle? 

I do. Yep. That was a very digital recording of the wisdom. 

And then who was Dean Griffin seeing Griffin store and then Janice, what she found is that old records and brought it in and you took it and made electronic recordings of yeah, Rambling Wreck from the 940 undoes this. 

So all historical things. 

And when we actually got to being in production, when the first year we we put together, we cobbled together. There's no other way to say it. 

We had no equipment, so we got a video editor and put together a little snips and pieces of what we call our compilation on tips for reunions. And then it came a time when we needed to have a narrator. And I mean, hey, can you get better than the airport guy, right? 

Well, the price is right. We put you on salary that are then sure. 

Doubled every time and every time you come, I'm willing to double that salary because you've been so generous with your time with us. I don't know how many married for us now, but I don't know if that's been fun. Yeah. It's a long haul. Yes, we've had some fun times do it. You'd write those great cgroups, mess them up. 

And now we can lastingly Cogito the one take Duke, if you'll recall TSR until you pop GRPs a few times and had to do a I'll take time for the most part. It's one takes it. And it has planned a real continuity, a real consistency to what we've been able to R2. 

So that's been such a fun part of thought on this. 

I still think that you and I get the most out of it if anybody, because I know the last one about three amigos thing was just missed. Both have come along and have been so much extra fun. Yeah, those are the little tos that we are roasts, I guess you could say I do. 

For special occasions, It's ironic that's not the serious aspect of what we do and yet us what we're better known, your original thing. 

So over the years, you have stayed very well-connected as did surely with Georgia Tech. And in fact, she is synonymous. Her name is Robert and listen with women that tax them. We celebrated the 50 years of women a few years ago. And it was an amazing time. Really wash. I hope someday in the future somebody who'll be celebrating 50 years of living history. Oh, I don't I don't think that'll ever happen, but we can only be around rubber. Now. I o there's probably some now you and I won't be around to tell me about the girls. We bypass them very quickly. 

Well, we were other things, but ten oldest girl, Michelle is living until I actually has two children. Michael, Murray and doing great, loves it down the murderer Chaplin. Where did she go to school? 

What clumps and what lesser degree? 

Computer science. Very independent woman she tells probably didn't even come to Georgetown, won't go down. Which is very tough. 

But very tough. Oh yeah. She looked at all brings us Clemson. She loved lump-sum excess Moscow. And it was it was great, great life. And then batching is the younger one, juniors, younger one. She started off growth during that do well, they're low. Came back to Atlanta and work for 10, then ended up at Georgia State, got these lists. Step beautifully, beautifully. And then she interned for the Red Cross, you're in Atlanta. And then got a job with the Red Cross when she graduated in New York. And she was in disasters up there in the middle of the GWA plane crash and Swiss Air and all those. And then 9, 11, she was there. She really got her feet wet by baptism, as they say, by fire, right? 

That's right. 

So it really played an enormous role in allowing 11 and managing the disaster survivor as glimpse. Yeah. Boy, what a muttering experience that had to be over her. And she stayed with the Red Cross until after through that whole period of time. She left them last December with OEM, which is what? 

Emergency Management for the city of New York. 

So now she works for the city of New York and training there and then does a lot of other things. And she's very happy and she's very she's a New Yorker. She's bet your money. It was just meant to be fits right in there. Exactly. Doesn't miss Atlanta. No. 

Well, she likes going home, but she's a New Yorker. She comes home to see daddy. 

So that's what, that's what Michelin keep in touch with your business machine at all until I actually went down. They have a couple of weeks. How long did your father died at 89. 

So he had an opportunity to really see you thrive diet and 63, but even she saw you be successful them. 

So they recognized that you are well on your way with a happy family and everything, but yeah. 

So that was a real blessing. Your dad. I'm so glad you're hedged at for a long time. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, he's great. Great. 

If you think back about the jobs that you had in Atlanta, I know you have it. 

The airport was a big deal, but you also did the facts theater and you did the Alexander calcium and other things at Georgia Tech. You've done a whole lot of things at Georgia Tech? 

Well, within the stadiums. Yeah. Oh, the steady up CAN all of them. 

Well, we didn't do the new you didn't do the Turner Ted elaborating on someone else to do. 

But we did a lot of projects around 10. 

So, you know, a lot of people have been a fun ride. Fun. Why? 

But I'm sure they loved it. A few years ago you decided to retire, right? 

But that's just a word. Retire at what it meant as pursue my hobbies more vigorous, exact better that way. And you have a plethora of hobbies? 

I do. I love them. I love wood working low fishing, and Joe. And you don't pursue them with mild interests. You obsessed with that, are really obsessed down. Really devote yourself to these little enjoy. And fishing has been one of the issue. How long have you belong to a homeless ASA, Efficient cop? 

A seven. And that's been a really important part of your life. Oh, it's been great. Yeah, yeah, eventually, again, wonderful friends in the Wonder up opportunities for fishing. And you take phishing seriously. It's not just homeless OS let you go fishing every wherever anybody's fishing line, exactly. Just all over the world. Pick a place and you're ready to go. Absolutely. That a favorite or is at home, assess Alaska. Alaska less was the best version of word. No doubt about there. 

You're not coming up dry, right? 

Always wonderful, beautiful and pretty, and you get some entrepreneurs. 

So you haven't been there for the last time? 

No. Homeless then was there in 2001. And you'll be going against their signs. And design for fishing and places like Scotland that are supposed to be separate. Layer of the Far East had been as Iceland. And then I've been now South America, Central America, the Yucatan. That's a different kind of fishing. Canada. Yeah. All those different. Do you fancy trout fishing? 

Yeah. I love how proficient do that. A lot of that in Alaska. 

But there's just all kinds of fishing all over the world is fun. And the thing is you need a lot of people and you've got a great cities. See people, see different country. I mean, Iceland was terrible fishing when I was there. 

But I think gradually I've been there. Yeah, that's a beautiful country. It's not the beaten path, so it's below remote. And what's what the woodworking just flipped it that you'll things with your hands? 

Yeah. Yeah. 

So do you build furniture? 

Yeah. And make things for the kids? 

That might have anything for them yet, but probably will. And then you keep your interest in sound too. Oh yeah. You know, you make me do that. I like that. I think that's a good deal. I do other things too with it until you stay connected to Georgia Tech. I'm currently serving on the foundation board. Write something. When you say serve, It's a pleasure for you, right? 

Oh, wonderful. Have a good time. You know what a great group of people? 

Yeah. What a great opportunity to be around people. Oh, yeah. Do something for today. Yeah. 

I think it's the most amazing part of our experience that tech is that we know we're in such great community. Yeah, absolutely. 

So your ear firmly as scouts in Atlanta, but you have a home, but the late, so rush it can go up there. That's where your principal woodworking stuff. That's where everything is up there. Yeah. Yeah. There's detects room. Did fishing up there. I don't fish like when they're that much, I didn't think you probably did too. 

It's kinda take the other activities at the lake I'd like to do and Like two layers or stuff like that. Yeah. It's more fun fishing villages like homosexual wedges. 

And you reserve that for family visits and wood were young and projects that you're right lateral image where well, it's quite an interesting life that you have carved out for you. Thank you Mel, for quite interesting and fun. It's been a lot of fun. Yeah. 

We can never we aren't going to live long enough to every pay you for the support that you've given us a living history. 

We'd like to think we've given a lot back in the satisfaction you get, certainly from the youngsters, absolute with a privilege we have of working with those youngsters. And in a sense, documenting the history of the institution is an important thing to your wonderful. Let's get one more. Thank you so much. Thank you.