So it's a real pleasure to
have your son ties are here

to take his degrees in civil engineering
from the University of Karlsruhe and

in Germany and consulted in
the can spot in the structure and

an ID industries before starting his Ph D.
program at U.T. Austin

and his work there at Austin was in
development of real time three D.

models in construction of
construction scenes to detect and

track objects you can in two thousand and
six and came immediately to Georgia Tech.

Where is this just in the press or
in the School of Civil and

Environmental Engineering.

He's been very active all this time in
the construction research field has

collaborated with NIST in this area and
is a member of the board of directors of

the International Association of
automation and robotics in construction.

Finally in his current research and

is focused on developing and
applying innovative technologies and

methods to construction in transportation
and I'm assuming that we'll hear a little

bit of that he's working in a technology
and construction seminar today.

Thanks for coming in.

Thank you.

All right.

I think you so much for
inviting me over here I thought

attended this seminar I think a year ago
quite often just because we needed for

our research and just to give you
a little bit background on what we did.

This was you may wonder I
mean I'm in construction.

What do I do with kind of technology but

as you all know there's a lot
of application areas in.

In construction that belong or
relate to nanotechnology and.

So the construction industry.

Maybe you don't know that but or

maybe you know it is industry which is
really hesitant to implement technologies

out then defeated because of development
cost of risks that are involved and

usually construction companies stay
away from implementing technologies.

So one of the biggest issue is of course
for the leading companies out there.

These are usually large companies
to be ahead of the competitors and

from that perspective.

They are interested in any technology that
can help them advance construction and

in this case not a technology is of
course a buzzword out there now and

they sat by Don't be funded project
investigating how one of technology.

Impacts the construction industry and
that's what the construction industry

Institute C.I.I. basically did
they sat OK who wants to do that.

Protagonist.

And I got my brother along he's
an associate professor at Texas a name and

he's really the person
if you want to talk to.

About nanotechnology he's the person who
is really the expert in one of technology.

I'm just the construction guy.

So anyway that's how
the project that started and

our focus was to measure the impact
of nanotechnology in construction.

This is just an overview of what
the construction industry Institute is and

it basically for has two large entities in
there in this instance you had one is from

the I want to specific if that people who
own the facilities who need to maintain

them and the other part is the contractors
contractors that built the building or

any kind of facility.

So they have about one hundred
twenty of those companies in and

if you can read it that companies in the
like Conoco Phillips Chevron I mean really

big big companies it also has
an I was a Bush in there.

And that relates to nanotechnology to
maybe we can come up with a better

strategy to make better
be up in that case.

Anyway.

Here we have the construction
industry institute that basically

funded this study.

Just about the agenda for this talk.

I would introduce now
technology just briefly for

me from a construction perspective
some background review.

Sure some production application areas.

Then I would go into the drive us for the
construction industry some benefits and

barrios that we see out there and
maybe a path for

want then I talked a little
bit about risk management and

we also conducted a survey among
the construction industry companies and

tried to figure out what is the current
state in terms of nanotechnology and

then hopefully we'll have some time left
to to go into some Christian answering.

Maybe you know that technology
has been around for a while and

I explained it also to the construction
industry this is nothing new.

We have it there for many many US.

And if you think about last coatings or
swots that have been produced

in terms of the swatch to have a more
competitive power against the enemies and

the Persians were quite successful with
that they have done that in the past but

maybe they have been under really
understood that they dealt with nano

technology but none of technology even for
construction is nothing really new.

OK.

The question is how convene fluence
the properties and make sure that you use

it for the applications that you need
in the problems that we have out there.

And if you think about that.

And just take a look back in terms
of where it applies in our daily

in our daily life.

It's everywhere.

Right.
I mean we have elements like corrosion we

have problems with corrosion
right if you think about

petrochemical facilities refineries
piping a lot of problems

with corrosion we have cooling needs in
four buildings right we want to make them

more efficient what you want to
develop more sustainable buildings.

We have functional surfaces right now we
have to maintain our buildings we have

energy needs.

Right.
Energy storage and we have structures that

we can be maybe light much lighter which
can in hands I want over our use of.

Those.

Products right.

So in the very end the construction
industry and very much.

The big companies they're
interested in sustainability and

sustainability means to them
three things economic growth.

OK have some social progress because
we want to keep all our employees in.

Employed right.

And we want to minimize
the ecological footprint right.

That's the goal that we have
in construction too and

if you think about those big companies
multibillion dollar operations.

There's a lot of waste out there.

OK waste that can be reduced and

all the processes can be made lean and
nanotechnology is

just one area that can help us solve some
of the problems that we have out there.

I don't have to explain that.

But to the contractor folks I have to
explain what nanotechnology is right.

It's very smart and
the most important thing for for us is

actually that the material properties
that we deal with on a daily basis.

I mean construction think about it.

We use resources we use Person other
equipment and material and materials

are very important component to us in the
industry and it's the interesting thing

about nanotechnology is that the behavior
of the materials changes at the nano scale

OK this isn't a very important message
to construction industry folks that they

sometimes don't understand right that
the behavior changes at the nano scale and

suddenly we get a completely new features
that we didn't expect before right.

And if you can control them.

That's where we want to go right.

OK then we had to conduct a big
literature review for them.

Because the little literacy
out there about on

the technology is really not there.

Explain top down bottom up approach
is how to control the elements and

all these but
I know that you're familiar with that.

So when it gets interesting to
them is kind of mature with

some properties dioxides
all of these right.

Very important to them because each
one of these materials to them means

something special.

If you show images to them like this this
brick is kind of floating on average or

that something very special to them.

I mean they suddenly get Fest's unaided
and that's what we think I have to do for

our getting industries involved
that are not directly attached to

another technology research that you
fascinate them about what it means right.

OK.

But these are kind of materials that are
kind of very important in the construction

industry in one way or the other OK And

then you of course link these materials
to be application areas right.

We have a lot of concrete out there.

What does not a technology
mean to concrete.

What does it mean to Stevie right.

Yeah.

I mean concrete we have a lot of
material out there that you and

use a lot of concrete we have steel right
can you maybe develop steel that is much

stiffer right and
reduces much much less material right.

We've put in are these things but
if you think about it here.

The application area of in construction.

It's about sixty percent of the overall
that we expect out of technology to

focus on sixteen percent will be
in in roughly in construction.

Right.
So it's it's a big segment right and

then within the construction industry we
have coatings that's a huge huge problem

out there if composites and
then other pick Asian areas right.

That's kind of the.

The big overview in terms of
reconstruction will apply nanotechnology.

Why is it important.

Well a lot of other industry focus and
under technology and

we have to bring that also
in into construction and

just if you think about the growth
that it brings in general and

then into construction it's just huge
right because completely change our.

Our way how we do construction
eventually right so

there's a lot of dollars out there that
these companies target they really want to

get a share of that because if you.

About fifty billion dollars
of none of products well.

That have been sold already in
two thousand and six right and

you've yes to made what it means to
the construction industry right.

I mean the sixteen percent that I showed
in a second ago is just a small fraction

but overall it's has a huge impact
right for all of these companies.

So if they don't focus in on a technology.

It means a lots or
it can mean a lot of them to sustain their

companies right now
the technology in construction.

Why is it important.

If maybe observed or maybe you don't
know that we use a lot of materials and

the consumption went quite up especially
because of emerging countries China India

they use a lot of these materials and
suddenly these materials become Brae

out there and when that matures good rail
any product then that price goes up.

That's what you have seen you go to any of
the Department of Transportation's they

will explain to you that the use of
asphalt was just significant and

that prices went up cement the same
the prices just skyrocketed.

Right.
Steel in two thousand and

two you could get a ton of steel for.

Well this is an index but
a ton of steel has pretty much double it.

The price of steel pretty much doubled or

even tripled in just a few years right
within four or five years because

the consumption in other countries for
stressed very very huge right.

Construction cost in highway.

For example went up fifty percent just
based on the material nothing else right.

And that's what we have to do
if you think about the future.

China will build forty two thousand
miles of new highway by two thousand and

twenty India similar.

I've been to enter in two thousand and
seven.

You know why they will build so

much because they have pretty much
a very low infrastructure and

then really pretty much we just maintain
our infrastructure now there's.

Big initiatives out there in
the industry from the government.

Hopefully we will spend a lot of money
in the infrastructure that will benefit

construction but ultimately

we have to think about what does that
mean to us what does that mean to us.

OK in national this graph because this
explains exactly what it means to us.

If you spend my money in infrastructure.

If we consume more right.

We're to McLean materials and
this is cement.

So it's steel right there.

No cement and concrete yeah this is
a curve that shows us the cement us.

Basically you from the nine
hundred until now on the right and

you see it's just that the curve is just.

Impressive in terms of the usage and

what does that mean cement suddenly
becomes rare and what do we do.

Well maybe we can help develop new new
features of cement that help us to reduce

the overall quantity that's the linkage to
nanotechnology implement nanotechnology

into concrete or cement and certainly
reduce the overall amount that we need and

suddenly we can supply all the demand that
we have out there in the world right.

Just to show you a couple of things.

What it means for construction if you
change the feature us of concrete.

This is kind of a picture
from the fifty's or

taking in the fifty's maybe some
when you were up after the war us.

There was a lot of high rise residential
buildings just going up very quickly

very low quality and
we see know the impact of

that we have not only that the structures
fall apart who go to Eastern Germany.

I mean the families or Germany or

any kind of country those
buildings fall apart right.

And in construction.

We design our buildings for
typically thirty to fifty years.

That's what we do we don't create
buildings that last forever but

we want some of the structures.

We want and these structures
include bridges for example riches.

This bitch.

I think it's in France.

Well is it.

I mean Spain.

I don't know I can't remember but
actually this bridge should last forever.

I prefer really because this is a huge
investment that you have to do right.

And that's what we can
do if you change and

add puts put some additives in concrete
that maybe relate to nanotechnology

we can increase to the strength
of concrete and certainly we

need less material at the same time to
get impact in terms of durability and

and other impacts right that's kind of the
focus why we want to apply nanotechnology.

So there are some studies out there
that tell us what nanotechnology

how it will impact and
in this case material be estimated

using added to an additive to concrete
I need kind of material really reduce

the cost by about fifty five percent right
because we consume less labor because

we have to handle less out there will be
are so reduced by roughly fifty percent.

I mean the cost of labor right.

So as you see it has not only
the impact on the material but

also on the other resources
that we need out there because

we use less maybe we need better and
different machines out there.

OK so we're timidly.

This is a graph you for steel.

With coming up with new additives

we improve the strength
right that's one thing.

To make it maybe denser in concrete
we have a load lower tactility and

all were to meet with a longer do or
ability right.

And at the same time cement you know

that maybe cement produces a lot of
carbon dioxide during the production.

It's polluting a lot of.

Of our parts of our world and
again putting additives

can reduce carbon dioxide
emission by ten percent right.

But you consume less right than the other
application is in construction where you

use concrete that actually eats Mark
there are studies on the way that

the smock and people believe that

emissions from transportation can
be reduced by about forty percent.

And this is all based due to
taking on the technology and

putting it into a meteor
like concrete right.

To explain it in simple words.

OK So what is our need in construction.

Well we have certain values that we want
to focus on based on sustainability and

lean thinking we want to use less
want to have a higher functionality.

We want to have buildings
that last longer.

We don't know if we
need them that long but

we want to have
the Middle East last longer.

We want to have a lower maintenance and
we want to use less over our.

Then we think about the character
mystics that nanotechnology brings to us

strength and durability just pointing
out those to these properties can then

influence overall our product
like quality cost schedule

everything everything that we do want
to daily basis in construction right.

That's what we hope that none
of technology can give us

what is the potential well.

This is something that be investigated
where the potential is huge.

Think about how many people live in
buildings right in the US we have mainly

wood buildings right.

But it's not necessarily
the best building material.

It's it's it's very simple.

To get right it's gross.

Again it's gross.

Right.

I mean it's it's you can
replenish it very quickly right.

But in the very end the insulation factor
is maybe not the best and so on and so on.

Right.
There's many many different things that

you have to think about to create made
up maybe better buildings in this case.

These are just two examples
Chia insulation is

a big thing on a daily basis for
four hours.

Yes but then we can also think
about other things like.

Aesthetics or the life cycle
the maintenance of a building.

Who.

Basis study out there that says.

Twenty percent of my cost of
a building go into the construction but

eighty percent go actually into
the maintenance of a facility.

OK it's a huge thing out there to actually
maintain buildings and you don't.

Maybe you won't believe it but like
things like air quality in these things

conditioning these are impact on
maintenance operations of buildings and

this is a huge cost factor that we can
try to help reduce right there other pick

Asian areas like water filtration
you see here the life straw life

straw is something interesting because it
helps give a lot of people in the world.

And clean water right.

And you see here.

It costs very little.

And produces about seven hundred
liters of water to people right.

So you see that as a big thing for
our world as well as for

the entire world out there.

We can have a huge impact by
embedding nanotechnology looking

at the time scale of nanotechnology how
do we envision things to happen right.

I talked already C.I. A lot of those
companies that are involved in they

are actually coming from the oil and
gas industries right.

Like these big companies that spend
a lot of money in the infrastructure and

a big thing to them is for example.

Pipe corrosion right now the outside
of a pipe but the inside of a pipe.

They are not really any methods available

right now that can prevent corrosion
unless you code it properly.

OK yeah.

And this is a big issue to them if you
think about a refinery if you have

to change pipes all the time
it costs a lot of money.

Anyway so from now until.

Ten years from now we believe that.

This problem can be solved by having
none of coatings available that help us

resist corrosion we have other things like
concrete I talked about that already.

So if this is of concrete right.

Studies even here Georgia Tech and
civil engineering go on that help produce

a nanotechnology based liquid that
actually helps the growth of.

Of I mean the country pretty much
she turns in and actually Carla and

the Department of Transportation
has figured out that they want to

have that not that visible right.

But that can help again making sure that.

You don't see something like I
started feeding in these things but

again in concrete the biggest thing for
us is to rebuild T.

in strength similar to Steven Wright.

Cement and big facades right.

Big thing right.

Think about cleaning facades right I
mean you all have heard about that says

cleaning surfaces.

We have a problem be Tumen right.

Another big thing.

Asphalt right in this case.

Very important and then you have to
member timber means what would that rots.

And so our housing industry
here especially in the U.S.

is basically purely based on of
what are made out of wood and

if you have coatings that can actually
prevent the Moet from happening.

That's a big thing out there.

So if you find solutions for that and

they're already out there some
products that helps quite a bit.

So what drives the construction
industry to me

at least competitive investment
returns like any other industry.

Maybe some social responsibility and
environmental concerns right.

This is a graph that we kind of developed

off of the stakeholders that are involved
from a construction perspective you've got

the government on this side
we have the industry right.

We include ourselves here in this part
where the industry naked eye makes me.

Come Together we have been the supply
us people who actually produce it and

then we have the public right.

But all of us we kind of
need to try to communicate.

That's a big thing out there that we
have found when we went to NIST and

to other companies.

Yes they may have.

They may have another technology
division that does research for example.

They heavily look into that of course
because they have material provide off

concrete but
they don't communicate to each other.

It's a big thing especially as research
shows you have to tell us how do we get

better connected to the industry for
example the construction industry but

it's a big thing and I think all of these
transfer hops out there that can help

us share the knowledge that we have
already created or we'll be creating.

Something to benefit some Berry yes I
like this graph for a couple reasons.

One thing shows us what
technology can mean to us.

So let's say we have an oil
company that has an oil spill and

that happens sometimes in Alaska.

So if you go and search on the Internet or
knowledge spill and

other technology could help us to clean
up the area very effectively right.

But then we have another thing in
construction that is the opposite.

It's a it's an it's a limitation right or
it can be a huge risk and

maybe even to society.

If you think about a space stuff right.

If used a specialist quite frequently in
the fifty's and sixty's to insulate or

to protect our buildings
from firehouse right.

But if you think about how people now
treat with these materials right.

Some people are exposed to it.

They have to remove it and
if you've seen that in the building when

that happens they have to completely
inclosure the entire area.

So you see very small
particles can be a benefit but

also a risk to health of people.

OK In this case as best as is
the the best example that pretty much

shows you what can go wrong if you
don't consider the certain elements.

And in this case.

I just want to show that because I think
we have to be careful of what we develop

because they have made.

We may develop something that can't
be really controlled right and

we have to take that into consideration.

So the benefits overall in
construction are material properties

that can be changed.

Economical aspects are very
important if a sustainable.

Aspect and then you have a bunch of Barry
Yes that's some way or the other can be

addressed and I think none of them is
really a critical thing if you do them.

If we solve them in a proper manner

like safety concerns are we talked
about that security concerns.

Then we have government agencies right.

That may help us to actually
push nanotechnology for what and

saying we need this.

But at the same time they can
function as a barrier telling

you can't go in there right away.

Right.
You have to wait until we have developed

standards and so on.

If lobbyists were involved people who

help prevent because you
have to think about it.

I mean the construction industry.

Let's say I'm not naming any companies but
I'm a concrete supplier.

And somebody suddenly somebody comes up
maybe one of you that SAS I can reduce

the quantity of concrete did you need and
have the same features that you need for

your road for
example when you place concrete right.

I would use just the concrete
quantity that you need.

What do you think lobbyist will do.

Are these industries theory prevent
whatever they are they will

do whatever they can to prevent
you from succeeding right.

Just because it's in there in the not
in that business interest right away.

Yeah.

So that's something that we have to
think about there are other things a lot

of people and

I would say the biggest barrier out there
is that people are not knowledgeable.

That's what we have seen in
the interviews and so on.

People are simply not knowledgeable
about nanotechnology especially if you

go into industries that are not
primary industries that fund.

Research right construction
is kind of one of them.

Yeah OK.

We also went into a different materials
and I don't go into the detail of this.

I want to focus on that.

You have to think about and it's I think
the main challenge that we have with

nanotechnology is now the technology
is smaller and to produce quantities.

It costs quite a bit right.

But in construction.

It's just the opposite.

We have huge quantities.

And they should cost low
very little money right.

Yeah.

So you have to think about how can
I produce nanotechnology materials.

In large quantities at low costs.

Yeah it's a complete difference.

Of what you may only do right.

Risks we talked about that.

Well you have them everywhere.

If you think about from the lifecycle.

When you have the raw material right
to the to the environmental right.

Brought US soil.

It impacts us on we have to
transport it in construction right.

We then when we build
buildings to be exposed.

I walk us we we expose ourselves
later on as you use us so

huge effect on health and overall system.

All right so that was kind of
the big overview of construction

is nanotechnology in terms of and what
we need to right in terms of application

areas I just mentioned a few there
are many many more out there.

What we did.

Was I was really member survey of these
companies because weeks be consider them

as lead us in the industry for research
and what we tried to do in this survey

was what is the current state of their
knowledge their their experience level.

What are their current and
projected involvements What do they

see what do What potential do they foresee
and what impact will it have on them.

What are the benefits risk and
barriers on their end.

And.

Maybe they have some success
stories to share with us.

That was kind of the focus.

So we did it and we contacted one
hundred forty eight forty nine of

these companies or many people it within
these companies and asked them and

those people were primarily people
who knew what nanotechnology was or

had an understanding because
thirty four returned.

Which is obvious.

I mean often with studies you don't
get everything back what you send out.

And six of them right away
said Hey my company doesn't do

anything with nanotechnology
I can't help you further.

Right.

Sixty percent of
the responses had more than

ten years of experience or they knew what
the problems where they also knew what

we can use to solve these problems or
expected

some point eight percent of them call
themselves experts in nano technology.

What does that mean.

Right.

I mean not a whole lot of
actually primarily maybe in

the in research in anything involved
that the tests nanotechnology on it.

It's a very few.

Fifty percent new More
than five not a product.

Ask yourself how many do you know right.

There quite a few out there already.

You know four percent rather than five
productive that relate to construction.

I mean none of products.

OK so in construction.

Yes we have some like coatings for paint.

Yeah existing on a development.

But yeah.

Very few knew that there are some out
there that relate to construction twelve

percent have a dedicated outsourced
not a technology research and

development program.

Yeah.

Very few.

And often those big companies I
mean think about oil companies.

Yes they do.

All right.
I mean I bet Chevron has some aren't you

going on and on a technology.

But maybe not in constant related
to construction immediately maybe

not to the oil or
to it all exploration right.

But not focusing on how to make better
pipes that don't correlate anymore and

twelve percent allocate more than
five percent of the research and

development budget to
what's not technology.

OK.

And eight percent of the invest more
than one million dollars a year

in nanotechnology.

Yeah.

So again very few not very
low efforts out there

that supports nanotechnology R. and D.
seventy percent could not identify

any of the listed fabrication tools and
techniques that we gave them right.

Again it shows a very low literacy people

just didn't know what's
going on out there.

Fifty percent knew a problem that
nanotechnology could solve in construction

fifteen percent or could relate nano
technology to solving the problem.

Why.

Question is really why thirty
percent require an hour or

return of investment of more than
fifteen percent to develop or

to go further with a product product
development I think that's general and

the company out there won't invest until
they get a big chunk of the money back.

Sixty sixty five percent believe now
a technology will have little or

no impact of construction.

OK we have to change that.

Obviously we tried to
take our universities or

institutes research institutes we have
to change that because if they don't

understand if they really believe that and

I the their answer with their best
believe then we have to change that.

Christians to funding a product and
development better not the answer it.

A lot of companies have proprietary
issues and over all the people

stated in an in an open question was they
don't interact well with research and

development institutes that you.

Don't.

And again because blame them for one part
because they should be more innovative and

advance their own industry but

the same time we can ask ourselves what
can we do better to get them involved

because we need to meet me those companies
have a lot of money and if you can say if

five ten percent ongoing operations
they would hire you right away

in terms of I mean construction if
I can if I have a million dollar or

a billion dollars to build my refinery and
I say if you five hundred million.

I don't.
Sorry five five to ten

five to fifty million right.

Just using a new technology
then yeah they will help us.

But you just have to convince them and
show them facts right.

The majority does not know whether
enough standards and regulations exist.

And we even heard that from NIST.

I mean they didn't know is there enough
for construction I'm not right and

this is they have to stand outs to
develop standards and regulations right.

So I think that's another big issue.

Why is the construction industry or
why are not industries out there and

I don't want to say construction there
are many many more industries out there

that are similar suited situated
than country construction.

Why are they not participating because
they don't know how to do it and

if they applied Is it unsafe.

Are they enough stand that's out there and
so on and so you have to think about that.

So I was so they are so focused on
the areas we actually people want to

focus on know where they think the impact
is and one big thing is composites right.

Composites twenty two percent have needs
and think that it can help concrete

obviously because it's one of the biggest
materials that we have out there and

coatings coatings for example for steel
on any kind of surface that we have and

then we had a couple other cents
on metrology for a lot of people.

It was an issue.

How do I actually measure
that I have success.

Once I implemented right now and
then other areas from.

Biggest risks and
various nano technology in construction.

Well.
It's kind of interesting but

implementation time.

They actually couldn't get it fast enough.

Obviously but implementation
to them is a critical issue.

And if you think about businesses
especially those become pennies

on what the interest is a big big
thing that they interested in is

getting a problem sort of
as quickly as possible.

If it takes five ten yes they are not in
not necessarily interested in it because

who knows what my company looks like
looks like in ten years from now right.

It's an issue out there.

So overall our I obviously quality and
consistency right.

A lot of companies thought that
nanotechnology in construction may not be

helpful because the quality
is not out there right.

And of course the problem.

I already indicated is that
the there's no transfer of technology.

It doesn't get implemented
into construction easily and.

In fact and Alice is he did a study.

That pretty much highlighted it and.

I don't want to go through
the methodology pretty much.

We took I was members of A B took
a score from the literature review that

we got of one hundred people already out
there that did some studies focused on and

made already some suggestions of
where to implement nanotechnology

could structure be combined the survey and
all of that information and

we did we pretty much came
up with the rankings and

I just want to show then the results.

Again it comes back to coatings we
see composites receive the high score

coatings concrete energy was a big
issue to them and sense and metrology.

These are kind of the top five nano
product areas that people invision.

To be sort of using nanotechnology right.

So if you want to focus on developments.

I think these areas are very good too.

To invest your time.

So since I'm almost at the end
conclusions and recommendations.

Yes the construction industry believes
that there is an impact on our life and

our process to built facilities.

The question is when does it happen.

They expect that changes will
origin it from then on I

think knowledge aside not necessarily
from the construction industry itself.

Yeah.

So they want you to provide them.

So you need to think about how do I
communicate properly to them what

the benefits of your development this.

There is very few dedicated are good
programs in construction and that means.

That's good that you're out there
because you can do the job for them.

You know.

So think about that.

And the main thing is actually that
there's a huge disconnect between

the industry and you and I said already
many times you are there to help solve

that issue because nobody else can
do it not the construction industry.

So recommendations collaborating
collaboration's are very important.

And I think he in the US at least we have
to focus on world class research programs

and that involves of course also
funding from agencies like N.S.F.

that really go into this niche
saying how do I use these industries

who have problems supplying nanotechnology
How do I get this transfer are done right.

How do I make this happen and
then focus on some few.

Dr out that you can really show a success
and once you show that success.

I think.

Suddenly the entire
industry gets motivated and

implements them and that will leverage and
help to move the rest.

The other developments that you want
to get done much much easier for

what and provide the funding.

So technology transfer is a big
thing of course education and

resources those construction companies
the biggest problem that they have

right now is actually
finding skilled workforce.

I had all of this.

This is going from labor
us up to management but

they also think about the impact
of nanotechnology will be that

they need to hire people
with those skills.

I mean with with not
a technology skills right.

And so they are ready for

see that and they encourage
strongly that these programs and.

Collaboration start happening right.

OK.

Yeah.
And

of course they support responsible
development of nanotechnology.

We don't want to have something again like
especially as you thought it was widely

applied the risks of it and
now we see the mess that you half right.

Yeah.

Thank you for your attention.

Thank

you.

Yeah.

I gree with you.

Kevin I mean the the main
thing is really getting.

The industry in gauged and.

Let them participate.

And defining what they need.

OK And how quick they need it and
what other properties and

features that they need.

And I think the construction industry
would be very happy to get something

like that organized and I think we should
try now because these are the lead us

as I said before the leading companies
out there in the construction industry.

Some of them.

You know I strongly I'm in favor for that.

And

I think you can use existing material and
try to improve their their behavior.

And you can also come up with
new I mean is that kind of

the question that you have.

And

I think I think you can characterize
the existing ones right and then you

understand what the problem is and then
try to solve it in does that make sense.

I mean as I said to him
the best example I heard is so

many times just corrosion in pipes right.

I mean like trying to really figure
out solutions for that problem.

You become a millionaire right away
if you can find proper means and

methods to do that.

You know.

Yeah I mean one thing that is very careful
now is safety and when they expose

their work because you have to really make
sure that when you handle the material and

one thing is for example if you
cut a material that is dust.

So no dust or something like that and

that comes then companies suddenly say
no I don't want to have that right.

I mean if they know about some of
the issues that can cause lung

cancer and so on.

Right.
So

you in your development I
don't know I mean this is.

You know this is something that you
as a developer have to ask yourself

I mean how do I make sure
that the materials are there.

They don't come apart that easily.

In case of dust right.

Yeah but you know there's.

Things to

watch his father.

I mean

reducing the risk to zero safety if you
say always you know accidents that's I

want all risks we should also say you want
to zero risk right I mean like a space

this is just one of the main main examples
that those people when they hear it.

I say No no I don't want
to be involved anymore.

So this first.

Well yeah certainly there but
in Europe for example there.

I mean the European Union they
funded several smaller studies and

there are some reports out there
that are just giving an overview for

the construction industry and
construction.

Like but I think he in the US.

I mean the biggest gap is just bringing
those institutes together right.

And I think everybody's doing a little
bit but who's doing what and in what way.

And how is the road map like Kevin
said how is it all organized.

What are the main problems out there that
I think that's very much missing right.

Yeah.

So if you think if you look closer
to lead right the leads to a lot

of buildings get lead certificates try to
get lead certificates that you read you.

They reduce waste they have
lower energy consumption and so

on and think about the impact
of producing less materials by

let's say concrete right
you reduce it by half.

And suddenly you have the same structure
the same strength and everything but

you would use the quantity.

So that's a point in lead is just
dedicated to use of materials or

even materials that come from
an area that are close to your own

location right where
you built the facility.

So I think you have when you when you
come up when you can do is use let's say.

Well there's a good
example here in Georgia.

We have some right.

And it's not the best
route that grows right.

But if you add things
to the world you may.

You may be able to use the same wood.

Even though it was locally grown but

you don't have to ship it
in from far away right.

So suddenly.

Yes you implemented it counts to what you
need certificate for your building and

suddenly you solve the big issue right
you can use lower quality material and

can achieve maybe similar results right.

So now there are many many different
application areas where you can impact

the industry.

I

don't know I mean.

I don't know I don't know the cost
of doing a research for specific.

I mean.

Like none of paint I mean there's a lot
of research that goes into getting

these these things done.

Again I think what helps the industry to
really have success stories to say OK this

was this was a an area where I focused
on I solved the problem and this is

what was involved the cost and then the
benefits that they receive from it right.

So a detailed study if you can show that
to the industry if you have such data

available and you can show that to these
people it would be a big thing to them

because they don't know.

Thanks same.