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>> This is a living history interview with our own group or class of nineteen conducted by Marilyn Summers the year two now we're in his home in Woodstock Georgia subject of our interview with life in general experience. Just for the pleasure to meet you there and to be out here in your lovely home in Woodstock Georgia off the beaten path a fun memory and I thank you so much for allowing us to be here with you today we're looking for your story you're ready I'm already you see if I can tell you anything.

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I think you begin Well we'll start off it I guess we're always Bawn that's probably the Someplace place that's number one I was born in Savannah Georgia and went to. All the public schools actually was they move the boundary once on a so I switched in elementary school what you are you I was born in one nine hundred twenty seven and I started school actually I was only I guess five years old because six was eight but I started.

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My birthday was a November So anyway I went to elementary school and I was involved in. Just the basic schools where we walk to school we didn't ride buses did you have siblings brothers and sisters really I was a. The youngest of three and my brother was six years older than I was and my sister was six years older than he was so there was quite a separation between us in years but they way I was grew up in Savannah went to.

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What we call Richard all junior high and then went to Savannah. And all throughout my. I guess those years all. And I was probably ten or eleven years old started building model airplanes I used to win contests and I got very involved in models in airplanes and by the time I turned I had gotten into the Civil Air Patrol could debts was one of my thing and when I turned sixteen through the C A P We got we were able to we had to pay for it but we got flight instruction and I was so.

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In I actually not in Savannah because the war was going on and we couldn't fly out of the the local airports so I sold over in Ridgeland South Carolina that's where we had to go to fly. And that was my initial start up and the airplane thing and I have had.

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Later on six of us bought and I are playing a j three. Forty horsepower which is kind of his story and we bought this cub and he was I had I got my money my hundred dollars from monocle my parents would give it to me so we bought a j three forty hoss cub that's probably worth thirty thousand dollars today if I had it but back in those days we paid six hundred dollars.

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They were flying the airplane in from. Down around Hinesville Georgia and they had carburetor ice and they put it try to put it on the road need to order up a little bit and we put their plane in a trail and brought it to my house put in my garage.

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I virtually did all the fabric sewing in we recover there are playing in my home and read license the airplane. Very dear friend of my father's was an executive also Chatham feel a. Savannah and he. Was a forma see a inspections of the force called F.A.A. and he signed off all my work he would direct us how to do it and we rebuilt their plane and.

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I was always been involved. In fact when I was just to give you an idea of machines and hands when I was thirteen years old last my father to buy me a metal turning the lave which I still haven't my basement shop and I have complete machine shop in my basement and home and that lathe I still use regular way.

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Yeah it's been great I've had a lot of fun with well not fun it's actual practical use what do you know my father was in a very interesting business I think in the during prohibition he had some few ships and brought in wonderful stuff they called it. But he really later on got into the when I when I was came along he was in the juke box business and all during the war years and proud of the war years he was one of the first he bought a jukebox on credit and had it finance I did see the paperwork at one time but he was into them when they were ten record machines and twelve record machines and then you played them or yeah he placed them in places and restaurants and dance halls and you name it and they put a man and we had a mole would like Paris Island the military you know Marine Corps.

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But anyway he was all that was his business and when I. When all. Went to school he was still in that business but I got involved in this like I was trying to tell you an airplane bus. And. I always There was no question in my mind and this is what amazes me is kids today have questions in their minds if they're going to college or even thought about college.

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Always knew I was going to one of the three screw of the major engineering schools at the time. It applied to go to MIT Cal Tech in Georgia Tech but of course the wall was on saw I decided I better take the train the Nancy Hanks which was a train that ran from Savannah and I'd be failing close to home.

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We skipped a bit but the firing A I continued to do. And. Had a lot of fun and now he started school early So did you go and. Well yeah and then the other thing I got the hots to get to tackle early and I cut off a half a year of school because I got there I just turned seventeen and I finished high school you know half the year I had had a schedule middle of the instead of June so that's when I started in fact that you know you know well known in the fall and when the session I think we won this amassed a system ever been in Georgia.

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You know never had been there so it was culture. And training you know question. And I hired to give you. That what it was. I had no problems because my grades were adequate and we did some when I was in high school. We had to take we didn't have the what do you the S eighty scores the only test we had was their force gave a tast.

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Where you took and they scored far as for pilot it was they are me. Well when I was in R.T.C. in high school but no they gave a test to all the boys. The could take it would warn take it I think we all had to take it I may be wrong and I had a very high school and I think it was a second highest in the city of Savannah because it was the type of thing I just had my hands on nine hundred forty.

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Coming or yeah but I starred in forty five years time when. I was here the war was still going on. Since technical lad was trying to explain to you I should have graduated in forty nine I did finish in the summer of forty nine which meant I didn't get my degree until fifty.

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So that's how I ended up in the class of what was still going yeah yeah and the idea was to get as much school one as I could. Cause a new There were on draft. So I an attack first. Do you remember. When I can remember Stan and the Dhamma door.

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Right next the law library would have been no doubt if you remember going now did you get a roommate. And I don't even remember who it was now now because that in stay there but probably two weeks short very short time. Moved then and we went to the I ended up pleasure in a fraternity which I mentioned.

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Was five Absalom PA and I moved into the fraternity. House. In From thence on I never had a more to do with the Dhamma door and we were involved very much. We had a very interesting active fraternity in school last a clue we did very well attack we had we got school lastic awards frequently.

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So I mean the game was me. Yeah that was primarily it in when I got to Tech of course had concerns about being drafted and I went home in between semesters one time I'd gone with a number of guys that are from a around there George Borden X.

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and some of the others we went out to. For I had my notice to report for physical and we took the physical when I got home in between. Semesters got back to my mailbox. And I had a notice that I will report so that got us a bit upset but I had already registered for school.

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Well what happened somebody pulled some strings and got deferred. And the draft board called us all out to Pershing point where they were located and they said well if one person can get deferred we will defer all of you until June. So we waltz the hook until the end of the school year.

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Well you know that I don't think we worried about too much for you know that it would be. Right in the meantime I was concerned about all these things and I think I went home in between semesters somewhere along there and I was going to get in a Naval Reserve unit and I joined the Naval Reserve in Savannah.

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And got into it and when the but came back to Atlanta and went out to what's today De Kalb Peachtree Apple or the tree to get out was calling C.Q. Naval Air Station and I went out there to get in a unit in May They played some a game that I got I didn't get in a unit so I didn't go on active on in an active reserve unit but I was still in the Navy Naval Reserve and an inactive capacity so I went back I worried more about school land.

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And we skipped a lot of my earlier things. I. Mean Well there are a lot of things I got involved in and like. Later on we'll talk about a little bit cameras I was involved in camera. Yeah but before Tak I was like yeah interesting you're playing well yeah that was the heaviest interest I had.

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And we used to I built like. In the it was my brother. Had a board. Speed boat and we had Bill I built the plane to ride behind it back then this was in the forty's and used to ride back we're playing around surviving on behind the boat and what happened was.

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We came in from a boating trip and they were I remember one victory drive in the bull street they Ellen extra extra. Pearl Harbor. In the yeah and that was going back a little bit so. But we used to do a lot of boating around Savannah did a lot of fishing.

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Salt water fish and Kasten fish shrimp. Didn't pose Sainz we used gas more and when I lived at the beach we everything this is going back a little Every summer my family when I was young we'd go to Tybee Island and they'd give me a pair of shorts and a bathing suit and that's about all I had the way out of the hole all summer long and I used to swim and do everything that you normally do pretty.

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That I had had a wonderful mother and father and I had no problems far as I had we get along fine thank you let me thank you I guess I don't know how we I guess I got got slapped a time of two but I live for so like it was pretty pretty and very fine very fine now when you can't do it you thought you wanted to be.

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Yeah start off as aeronautical and then I got to looking at being on the drawing board all the time and I decided well maybe I ought to just take something more general after I starred in aeronautical I switched over to mechanical which is not a major change or let's talk about.

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The professor's overall what was your opinion could you keep up the work. Yeah work was challenging and I did some things if I like the course I did super boy I went all the way from double A's cause we did get double A's when I first started to F.'s I did that ran the gamut so the S.

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with the people you care for they didn't interest me but there were some courses that I had at tech that I enjoyed the professor and you know. Yeah I remember a lot of docs docs met. The famous Yes ma'am he was I could go to his class and I took one of his courses I believe in calculus and I didn't even buy a book for the course I just listen doing and I passed the course it's just been a tension he was great yeah.

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And then then over in the shop there e of mechanical engineering I dealt. There was a lot of dough a case a case he was in charge of the machine shop course. And I had being familiar with machinery already I Acker do build things faster than the average.

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That's right so you must start I had had a lot of fun I did very well in his classes. Well no I didn't build one I built two gasoline engines that they had and I built a full floor model drill press. In the two courses that I took and most most guys did name Bill but we do anything but one to motor attorney and then bells and I and I still have my drill press of course which I use.

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And then then other things we had attacked since I had worked on machines and electronics and lights we had homecoming displays and this was one of the fun things that I remember I built the light displays that I have a camera a regular eight millimeter camera pictures. And when the.

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Group there was evaluating the homecoming displays came in looked at him. I looked at the five display they said You bought that you didn't build it so as a result we didn't come in in the scoring because they say we but we bought it and it was light it was lights it moved across the screen like you using today but nobody used them back then and I knew how to build them I knew how to build them and I built.

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We had one which showed kicking a football tech was playing Navy at the time and it showed a football going across with lights that turned out. Like yeah that was what we had I've got pictures pictures of it it said Watch g t kick the. Out of Navy Yeah and that's what I'd say.

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But we didn't win anything they said we bought the stuff you could just. One more Thor and then then also I had another weakness when I got to tack I got involved and I continue to be involved in model airplanes. And I was flying models and I set a national record speed for a senior not for a senior but a under eighteen.

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For control wind speed and I set a national record for it and I was going to different meats and doing very well and one of my greatest fun things was went to one contest and beat a guy who was on you would know what this is but the way I think his way to your trophy team.

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I had his name in my head just seconds ago in a way I beat him with a rubber powered model it meet over in Athens and usually nobody ever beat him he was on the Wakefield Trophy team and they were good but and I built models continuously until I had an accident down it.

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Went to meet in Columbus and had one getting up around one hundred sixty a seventy miles an hour and there was a spectator that continue to get close to the circle and the wires broke on airplane and luckily only the wing hit him in the air and he had a concussion and so I decided I better quit and mottled then go back to school I did find.

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That was a very dear friend of mine. This control on models that in fact I have still have one in the basement a friend of mine built the one and he used to fly. His name was Marvin. I'll think that when I got to France they went take ones tourney brother when Stuart Richmond ones Marvin something a way.

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He flew the model that the at the football games at halftime he was the one who was flying and we were good friends and we'd go to the meets together and there was something. Yet but none we were high speed models where I rebuilt the engines to get maximum performance out of him where he was designing in flying for stunts much slower speed.

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But anyway after my accident down it. Columbus I decided better go back to school but in the meantime some when I won a bunch of trophies went to Savannah for a meet and want to buy a picture isn't on full of trophies and they sent me to the.

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Plymouth dealers had an international meet and I went to Detroit for the international model meet. The big pretty big yeah yeah yeah yeah and it was a lot of fun I had ever been on your passion your camera. Yeah. Well we had a darkroom in way in the alumni offices now which was a Y.M.C.A. and down in the basement we had a darkroom and I got involved in that in.

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Yeah we process old film in large and all that and I'll never forget the night there was the wind cough fire we won the dark room doing film and we came out and bought the wine coffee otel I don't know if you know what that is what I know.

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So much so I got involved in the camera business and so this was just me. It was well. Car Jim it was there if you wanted it and I was interested in it and you. Yeah I did and I didn't run why. Did I do a lot of pictures and got pictures that I made but everything was course black and white Nose Day which is really neat about yeah I did all that large mints and development when you're.

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Well I was there. That was my problem I did too many other things but I stuck with it and got through and hung in there with mechanical engineering it was the right or yeah I was delighted that I went and stayed in mechanical engineering I think it. Really was I took the course that I felt comfortable with and enjoyed Do you remember any of the professors.

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Dr Weber who's the head of the department I remember him well go we didn't get along too well I mean he was kind of was well. You. Yeah we we didn't hit it off was good and then there was a guy I'm trying to think the metallurgy profit I get along great and the pattern shop I did well did you read Dr Mary.

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It was. Done ring a bell totally one of the guys I had Pearl and I think it was a doctor Pearl in there who later died he was in the experimental station as well. A mention. Of the math prof. You with a year to the second year you guys I mean yeah that's right that's right last year it expanded to on unreal what would you like to see when I got there I think it was around three thousand students there was a lot of naval are O.T.C. in the military programs going.

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But. The campus was quite small and then it started expanding of course as we have to think when you physically. Look. All I can remember the first building they built which I think the gone dead down there is the textile they could build a text album The textile building which is being torn down the boy you saw some about it yeah.

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Yeah and we went you got to realize we went to classes. That. The the building right behind the old laboratory What was that one is still there. Was a chemistry chemistry no French was textile and right next to it was chemistry and that right next to the stadium.

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I mean. I guess I had to and we went there and of course who are. You. Management thinking more people. Were I don't think we had more space and some say some classes we had kind of an order Dorian died. If I remember correctly in physics and some of the chemistry there were a lot of older people I mean yeah.

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There were veterans. Well yeah yeah well no no problem in the after everything kind of ended up evolving around the fraternity. We didn't have a big for during I think we had maybe twenty five or thirty now boys and we had a very active but intelligent attorney. Yeah always your social life there might be.

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Something wrong or I have to think you have those Yeah the first date I took somebody on when I got up in the wall was going on and we got on that picked him up and rode on the street car you don't Ponce de Leon that's how we moved we didn't have cars.

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And yeah and we got by very well we had fun. I didn't what did you do those. Well we went I went to the standard club I don't know if you know it's still had a private club and it was out on pasta Leon at that time and we went to the Fox They had a went to movies and.

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What was the standard place you went to dance and we went we were allowed to without being members. We we were allowed to go there. And I think you. Think it's a Masonic place and something that I think that's what it is now OK. If you go on towards Decatur out Ponselle I'll be on the left hand side it was after your past bull of Auda on a separate blocks maybe a mile before I think.

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You know past going away from Atlanta if you start at the Fox They had a and you start going out. It was further out and I don't think it was trying to remember God I had been over that way so long but C. is used to have the big story out there on the right.

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Yeah yeah the Ford. Family Well no no the stadium was. Of course a street I think. Yeah it may have been I told. You so pretty much always had a good life he was going to enjoy i did we we had dates we had no problems we had a lot of fun when you girls ran well that unfortunate thing they were not around it we had to go to the local community to get them but it didn't seem to hear anybody.

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I mean they were playing We've datum for Magna Scott and LA Times nurses that were working at Crawford Long in some of the hospitals and also Piedmont used to be downtown. And we dated some girls from being mine. Pretty good live well we had everything we needed he would do.

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You know but no we did get cause after the war when the war ended. We got automobiles and I had a beat up old I remember Ford station wagon it was a. Real antique that I should a cap and my dad told me there it is to sit down a tabby Allen right near the waterfront and it did what I had to go fix it make it run and I used it to go to model airplane that was after.

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We could drive again we had gas you tell me when you got it it was in your line yeah tell you. Actually have your right yeah I think we got it from the government there was I have to the war was over and we had a steer man and we used to get special deals I believe on running the Cubs at Park air feel.

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Park air which is a mall now was an airport. And that's where we used to fly out for you guys would get together when you're not not the nother thing we did although when I first got Atlanta I used to go to what was call me nuts from all that was the airport and I ran airplanes out there and I'd fly around what today is hearts feel and we get a a light we.

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We didn't get have all the radio stuff at that time and we used to get a green light or something just from the grow Yeah yeah the land and all I was it wasn't dangerous it wasn't really now it was safe we didn't have as many planes not as high speed but though we managed so there wasn't any.

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I don't recall any what do you think could have been the thing that has to do with. The feel. I mean I guess it was candle a feel and what we call air by call them enough small I think thing Yamin us will end by called Mina and one of my great thrills was I had gotten my brother.

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Involved in the Civil Air Patrol and then when the war ended he bought a Taylorcraft from southern what was Southern alway's later and he bought this Ryan new Taylorcraft which was. Came from up in the I believe it was Pennsylvania. In they flew Southern fluid down to Atlanta and then I got in a seventeen year old kid and I delivered it to him in Savannah I have movies of me taking this brand of her plane and flying it down and we didn't have the navigation equipment that you have today most of it was via what we call plain old dead reckoning in pilotage which was very interesting a huge challenge.

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He knew I could fly. To see once I took it and then they I'm sure the insurance back in those days nobody got all up tight about insurance and all that business it was before. So if we could get all the. All if we could get all the engineers to replace the lawyers we would have the problems we have today.

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OK I catchin back up something that I didn't mention in my earlier life in Savannah as a young man I gotten heavily involved with the Boy Scouts and I was in scouting and before I left. I had completed. The basics of scouting and became an Eagle Scout. And.

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Was very interested in Scouting all my life. One of my good friends who's on the committee with me now B.B. violence. Went to camp strong with me as I fall back we go and. We we were involved in the Boy Scouts and I stayed involved with it when I went to tech I was involved with Alpha file Mega and we used to work with the Atlanta Council on different activities that they had.

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It was just one of the things I enjoyed and I felt that it was necessary to dissipate and it basically is a Boy Scout service fraternity and I continued involve myself in that throughout my career at tech and afterwards I now have a. I never quit messin with the Boy Scouts until my kids start growing up and I got involved with that with skipping ahead a little and but as my son's became.

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Cub Scouts I ended up being the Cubmaster for them in the garden Hills area sponsored by the garden Hills B.D.A. and shortly thereafter when my oldest son became old enough to be a Boy Scout we didn't have a scout troop so I helped with the council to start.

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The boy. Scout Troop which we had there and then became I was an initial scoutmaster a friend of mine took it over but he left in on a concert with a construction company and I took over Scott Nash and I ended up being scoutmaster for thirteen years at that you've got years.

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Yeah we had a lot a lot of time with Scouting and I was a used to go with my troop to bird bird Adams summer camp every year spend a week down the bird Adams It's amazing you could find that when you were. Angles and the one well you know you were good that was my problem I think I did too many things as well my grades were not what they should have been I got I made it I made it through school and I got out and I had but I enjoyed doing these other things and I felt they're necessary when you what happened to you.

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Which would be on this. That's correct. So graduation officially for you didn't come until until June June following June though which means that we all went to work so the first thing. I got to I got a job and I ran a machine shop and was building machinery I ran the whole shop I went to work hand in Atlanta I got a job I didn't want to leave Atlanta I liked it and I got a job running a manufacturing operation a machine shop where we built woodworking machinery.

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And I did that for about a year and a half. After after from August on and I have enjoyed it again this was doing something I loved to do because I could run machines all types of machines and I had hired people and they worked for me. I worked for the company and I built what while I was working for the guy was my first job when I was out of school I even built him a plant we designed and built the roof and actually that was my first what you might say construction job what was the name.

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Back then was called Chiles machinery. And then no longer in existence served you well. Did you take time to graduation Yeah yeah yeah I came back from a big and was in the stadium in the south staying if I'm not mistaken yes man. We had a ball and we went to every bit of my parents' game out.

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There and I was I guess not is diligent student as I should have been but I still learn dollar and a heck of a lot enough to keep me put me in good shape and when I went into. Went to work I did I went. Well that job lasted for about three or four years I went manufacturing and I after I started it two hundred dollars a month.

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And I got up to two hundred fifty dollars a month. And after a body year and a half of that I decided something had to change. So. Somebody said Why don't you try selling machinery. And I said well I didn't do too good public speaking I just don't think I need to talk to people and I said well you ought to try to anyway so somehow or other I got involved in sales of the same machine tools measuring equipment.

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Metrology some welding equipment and and woodworking machinery in the beginning and I did that. For about three years at the end of my first year of selling I made ten thousand dollars which was quite an enhancement over the initial. So decide the sales was not a bad deal and the other interesting thing that happened I don't remember the exact date the time but in the course that we were skipping ahead to after school but we've covered most of the schooling schooling is when I got out of.

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School and got in the manufacturing and went into sales one of my early sales calls. I happened to have been given the area of north Alabama and I went to a place called once. And when I got went to Huntsville I was happened to have a piece of equipment that measured the fineness of cotton fiber called a micro now it was made by one of our companies a little off beat from the other products I me but we had this thing in measured finest of cotton and when I was in Huntsville.

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Happened to be the time that. I think it was General Electric was a basic contractor they had brought all of the Germans and to Redstone Arsenal lawn Braun and his entire staff that came with me. And I started calling on. And it was really at the beginning the infancy of the of the space program.

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And I work with all of the. All of the people at Huntsville. And do. It all a lot of very very interesting jobs I work with them on the gas bearing gyros a guy who bred about two a year or so ago had died now they'll helm on go up.

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And he was in charge of the gene C. lab guidance and control and I worked provided him with gauges. Which was a little advanced that he was used to use and we put that in the. Making of the gas bearing so why don't you I got involved and I had clearances to these places I had a secret top secret clearance I had I dealt with the Tom McKenna G Commission and some of the plants.

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Well we had back Al back after that I had been over a year out of school and things it heated up in the Korean War and I got my notice to report for induction go take a physical and I took physical and then I found out that I could go down to Macon Georgia where they had the Office of Naval officers per curiam and.

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So I went down there I took a physical and I took a test and I passed both of them and I basically enlisted. To be an ensign. With a direct commission into the Navy and I was to go to Monterey California FOID twenty one month tour of duty.

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And serve the rest of my reserve you know naval reserve time but was going to be a twenty one month tour and I would go in actually as an ensign and go through the indoctrination school I'm all excited and eager to go nothing happens one we go about two weeks go by three four weeks go by Finally I get a lot of from.

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That Congress so the government has changed the rules if you do not have prior military service they will not give you a direct commission but you have been accepted to go to O.C.S. and serve three is duty. And I looked at the thing and I was so irritated I chucked it all and threw it in the trash I just would NOT didn't email Roy if I answered the lad out of course I had to go to O.C.S. and I trashed it and the strange thing is.

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I think the draft board knew I had in the list. And nobody ever followed up and I was so tech about the entire thing that I never heard from them until after after eight years service. In active in the neighbor reserve I received an honorable decent job. And it was crazy it was not intentional.

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It just happened and I would have I would have loved to go on in the Navy and served as it was as a line officer and. It's a it on the back of it and no active duty served they had no reason not to so it was kind of interesting it was one of those strange occurrence I missed three years work.

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Or you well I continued I continued working with. The Army ballistic missile agency I developed a lot of good friends we did a lot of things together worked on programs. One of the companies I was selling for had developed with the first people to develop a roundness measuring machine who would measure roundness to within a millions of an inch and I saw what.

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The people at Huntsville I convinced them that why they had some leakers leaking fittings was when they would clamp the thing in the machine and turn it and then when it came out it was no longer around and I showed them how to measure the roundness of course they bought the equipment from me.

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And we got very heavily involved in to the Met trollop G.M. area now what happened I got to back up a little bit I work with the original company that I started school after I got out of school for five. About a little less than five years. And age twenty five I had gotten out of.

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He had a new contract for me to sign and it was all kind of paraphernalia of the attic he'd hired a lawyer to work out his new contract and I told him I wouldn't sign it so he fired me. Not only did he fire me but he fired another guy that worked there.

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So we didn't weren't sure what we were going to do and I'll he was old and I was he had kids I didn't have any I had just got married and we were trying to figure out should we try so not knowing any better we went into business.

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My own business at twenty five years old and we. The business got a name of D G machinery engaged company. And we operated a very successful company we had numerous salesmen on the road we acquired many lines of high caliber machine tools and measuring metrology. One of the companies we sold for was Sheffield Corp which later became Bendix in them we sold for our company call burgomaster we saw over a company called getting's and Lewis who still around one of the major machine two companies and finalized Wisconsin.

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And we had a very successful company. Well I did have five years with only had about three years really and so on. Yeah I knew it and I'd learned a lot of cause a lot of the work on the machines in any machine I sold as a rule I knew how to run I'd go to the factory and learn how to run it yeah.

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Yeah we'd start machines up so we had a lot of fun I enjoyed doing it so we got this business going on and. We built an office were originally we worked out of our homes. My partner had his whole and my home we had our wives working for then we finally got an office own Spring Street.

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He was thirteen eighty nine spring we ran a part of an office with another company. And we operate from them. Then little later on we went to. Lunch asked again. What's the Piedmont Faux. Cheshire Bridge thought of in Cheshire Bridge Road we had an office on Cheshire Bridge Road and we worked out Cheshire bird we rented space and then finally.

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There was started to build a thing called I five and we went up and bought some property at the end a section of plaster road and the access road. And built us an office building it was the first office building than I know of that was built along eighty five eighty five was not finished yet so we had this office building right on eighty five the building still stands and that's where we work from and the reason we did this was in one thousand nine hundred fifty six after we'd been in business a few years not many my.

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Friend of my father's came to me and said On Will you should have an airplane the travel we would drive and fifty thousand miles a year throughout the southeast a lot of driving because I used to work as far as my ass the whole thing and I'd go up north north Alabama.

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So he came to me in fifty six they said we'll sell you an hour plane so that we can afford it so we'll get it financed it was funny it's by the full National Bank. And we ended up having a friend there by the name of Carol Davis who is a cashier.

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And we finance this airplane with another company two companies only or a point. So in fifty six I had my first company airplane which happened to be a brand new Cessna one seventy two one thousand nine hundred fifty six model which in the beginning we flew for a few months out of the nose fall always more to know today is.

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Our C.E.O. Apple. We thought of that and then the Navy was getting ready to let civilian planes come into. The Navy in C.Q. which is today Peachtree Dekalb airport so we were one of the first residents of Peachtree to gab. From a so they had capacity but the Navy still operate feel.

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Yeah we fly on a plane of that and if we got in but later than ten o'clock they Adela's sorry the decks are rolled up you can't land you and that have to go to Hearts the on land and my wife would come down and pick me up but we did that for her with the other company for over a year and we were it was it enhanced the business because we got around much faster did more work and from then all in we we use that airplane we bought their plane totally ourselves used to one seventy two for a couple of years then we traded it in on a one eighty two.

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And then we went progressive way up the line went from one eighty two to two airplanes a one eighty Cessna and a one hundred two and a one eighty as a tail dragger some people know what they are no but it was a really high performing airplane. And we continued using airplanes in the business went from the single engine airplane this is still dealing with the aviation I bought a Cessna three ten which is the you might know as the one that Sky King in the thing had the tip tanks on it and I flew a Cessna three ten.

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And I've flown that for about four thousand hours. And that was the airplane that we used and I still have that air plane. But anyway we got involved with our planes in the business and they were very complimentary to the business because when we sold machinery many times the customer would want to go to the factory because some of these machines were amounted to a quarter of a million dollars and they'd want to see the machine before they took delivery or see it before they bought it so you could bring them I have delivered customers as far as Gardena California.

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Which is right outside of L.A. I have flown customers from. The Atlanta area of pick them up throughout Southeast and flown to find a lack Wisconsin to inspect machines from getting some loose. Yeah and we did this continuously I did it until nineteen seventy nine. And what happened is that.

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Al business has expanded somewhat and we'd been together had a corporation but I had a partner and D.G.. And we had been together for twenty six years and I walked in one day and he said. I'd like to split up. And I said. It's OK with me. He had doubts that I was doing what I should do and so I didn't bother me so I said you name the price and I'll make the choice.

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Yeah so he put it we played around whether for a while in the course of events or as we'd been in the business for a number of years we had expanded into another area we sold metrology is a mansion we so machine do and we had gotten into the electronics industry we sold the very early etching machines to edge your printed circuit board and then I expanded that into the assembly equipment so we were in electronics machine tools and measuring so.

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When we came to make the decision I just said OK I'm selling out to you by that time we had a a much bigger office building and all this out on all Warren drive and we have sales manager and you know the business was very successful so I.

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Sold out to him but took the electronics with me. So all the electronic manufacturing equipment went with me and I started another company. That one is the one that still exist it's call pro-tax P R O T E C H systems and what was funny we looked there was no pro-tax us thems in the phone book there was no one had used that name back at that time.

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This was in the late Sam He's today that it looks like it's a big long list but anyway I started pro-tax the stones. And. I started it physically working out of this house really Yeah but I still had their planet P.T.K. and I did it myself and then I got one of my sons involved for a while it lasted about a year but he didn't it didn't turn out and I hired other people and expanded that industry that part of sales and we continued to grow and be in the electronic manufacturing equipment this means to be just me well we wrapped it and we were the wrap of the deal both Rep and deal if you understand the difference a rep they do the billing a deal you do the bill we did both.

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We sold the equipment in the southeast United States which encompassed all the way to Mississippi to North Carolina and I expanded we were very successful industry grew and we solaced I think Whitman we started some of the people around the. This company the edges printed circuit boards in Atlanta we sold them their original equipment the resold Tumen put the etching machine in the basement of a company called H.

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intellect Tronics we put the machinery and there. We did a lot of work with people like auto cron a lot of the autocrat on was sold out later but and we so of course Lockheed whistle so a lot of people. A good place. Was a perfect place I would we could never have had the opportunity I don't think anywhere else did you have a running man yeah.

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Yeah. Down to Robin Zahn Force Base where I did a lot of work the guy I was in charge of engineering was a Tech grad was an Emmy. I didn't deal with him too. Much occasion we'd run around the imagine with that field you just run and tell people about yeah we ran a lot of tech people in when we were selling to the Atomic Energy Commission we ran into some that.

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I sold a lot of equipment to a company called Honeywell which had an operation in Florida and we put a lot of equipment in Honeywell. We did did very well with them and Robin's a a Force Base I did a lot of work with them so that gives you a little feel of type people we dealt with but in the electronics.

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And some of those we still dealt with but like Scientific Atlanta which is again tech spent all people take people we sold equipment over there I sold the first numerical control machine which was a punch tape machine was made by Burt Masta and we sold some other equipment later as well as percentage and measuring now.

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Only traveling in line you were building this house. Well I did that in the in the midst of it yeah yeah well I had people work and when you always had the idea that you wanted to do it yourself here well I do a lot of what he's but.

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You know tell me about how you took that how did you take. Something I mean building where did you get the idea you know. Well I want to move out of the city of Atlanta because our kids a graduate will last from was finishing North Fulton High School and I figured we need to move up in the country so we moved up there my wife tells me I think I said thousand nine hundred seventy six.

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And I built oust seventy five right then became a building a big big. Well you contract a lot of things but you contract lawyers yeah yeah so that and I do the plans and I knew I was done. Yeah and jawed that's half the half the battle is that you enjoy not have you think all the things most of the things flying and working with machinery I joined down.

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And that's part. One. Well again I've had a lot of fun with it. We've been very fortunate. I have. We my wife and I have still married after forty eight years. And her name is Nancy and I ended up marrying her because one of my roommates from college.

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Who went to tech with me Fred Wolf who lived in Tampa. He. They had stores down there coal Wolf Brothers which were later taken over. By a hard shaft and marks and they had a number of stores and I was in my traveling cell and down in Florida I'd look up all my friends in Fred got me a date with Nancy and that's the line well what blood and I could see but it was a date so I ended up with a date with a it's in next thing after I don't know how long we end up getting married and I hauler up in Atlanta.

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And we live. We lived what was interesting we lived in the university apartments which is the apartments of five behind the Veterans Administration and one clamoring world just up there. And that I think they're still. In we the number of our friends will have been there we live there for about.

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I think a little year maybe a year and a half. And that was when we bought the slot two lots really in garden hills and moved to garden and I built the house and garden Hills which I covered before my architect ran a. Bobby hacked from Columbus. And he's he's And the tech stuff on to.

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And we're still in touch with Bob. But anyway we had we moved into the whole bit. Garden hills before we moved. My wife had the first first job now. And his name is Eric and he. Unfortunately after she had him she had had pains during her pregnancy and they credited all of that to the pregnancy well when she finished no sooner had she had these pains again so it turned out she had to go into the hospital and I had to take care of the baby.

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And and see. I learned what I don't want to do is. So I looked after my son. And. She had her operation they fixed text corrected the problem. And then we moved into the whole blade of a garden Hales. And we live there and that's where we had two other sons.

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The next one down a ladder is Allen. And the next one that a lot of is Michael. Now what has also been very interesting is our oldest son. Decided he decided not not me he accused me of forced him and I never discussed where to go to college.

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We knew we'd go to college you bright. But we never discussed where to go to college and when he when time came when he finished ask who he did good grades and all. He said he wanted to go to Georgia Tech fine so he went to Georgia Tech.

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In various things happen he's a bright student but he got involved in different things there and. Finally I said look I let him live in the doll majority begin with. And I think that's where the problem began and I said Eric. Next quarter you come and we live not too far from day you can drive to school.

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So that you pack up and you move back into the house you go down. He starts to get this stuff together and then he said I'm not going to do I'm A live with with somebody else he had a girlfriend then I said fine. You're on your own do what everyone says I'll pay for my own school said fine that's great.

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So the next quarter he would attack. He comes home he's on the dean's list. He got it all straight and I said you're back on the payroll. So he did good you know now so he did very well and he. Then was. Well he was taken mechanical engineering same thing of it but he was always in high school.

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He was very much involved in. Acting and singing he was a they had a choir North Fulton and they was one of the few public school quizes that we know of that made a trip around the world. Who were going for right about a month and they went all the way around the world and performed all over and degrade one of the first places they went.

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Was Japan. So I had taught him. How to I get him involved of Darvon because I have a darkroom at home which when we talked about four and one of the interesting things I had bought a like a camera I have to I got out of school. It was.

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It still is top camera but it was the camera and I still have it I bought a like a three C. but everything is mechanical adjustment. As your man back you would know it's not nothing automatic everything is set by turn in the knobs a set. Iris or something and anyway he was going on this world tour so I said well the first thing you need is a camera so the memories of the trip or the most important thing you can do and you got to take pictures of him and he was already involved some because I had taught him how to do develop film and make enlargements So we went around to all the stores and looked cameras what he should buy but he wouldn't buy it until he got to Japan because he could buy very cheap.

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Back then it was very cheap so. We went around and I'm trying to think Cam cam member of the way but anyway we picked out the camera he should buy and when he got to Tokyo he bought the camera and I gave him plenty a thirty five millimeter film and he did he took pictures he probably took over a thousand pictures on a trip which he still has thirty five millimeter slides and they went all the way.

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From the just work their way around to India and on around here yeah. We talk to him and see if I'm not mistaken when the man when they walked on the moon when they land on the moon I think I gave he calls right about that time it was his birthday and.

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And see you. Didn't like it you know but we talked to him from India he's in India at the time. It was very neat but in a way he was the oldest son and then we. I can't act like Not exactly him but me and you it's roughly twenty years ago.

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OK OK. There's a little over twenty then Alan which was the youngest of the middle son the middle son here he got the. Well he didn't have too much hots for college so we same down to. I think they call it the University of Georgia. And he went down there for a summer trial deal.

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And he came home and I said to him how was school while and his comment to me was what school. So I said I guess you better figure out what's he gonna do there. So I came back after he's back at home or but we spent about two weeks at home and he said Dad I'm thinking about joining the Coast Guard.

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I said great when are you leaving. And he laughed anyway at the Coast Guard he spent four and a half years in the Coast Guard. The half year was because he didn't pick a job that he school we want to go to to begin with after his four and a half years ago school on.

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He got out he got married and he decided to go to school and he ended up finishing in mechanical engineering at Southern deck. Got a full four year degree from Southern tack which I felt very good about. And so that they did pursue me here and I did take a walk but the backing up on Eric this was interesting we must ingesting aspect that he was very involved I mention the world too that he did and he did a lot of acting.

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And when he got to. Take He became involved in drama tech. And he was very much involved in drama day next thing I know he wants to go to drama school that way to my Web I'm paying for our let you go to any drama school you want after you finish Tech and he got a little perturbed but he understood just a minute I'll be right back I gotta.

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He went to continue with drama tech and then I was worried about it and so he decided that he needed at least I decided maybe he needed his own place to live. So I went over around school and this was a number of years back you gotta remember this is over say twenty five years ago so I bought him a house to live in it was a duplex on McCaslin street.

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You know where McCaslin is close by. Toward going towards Atlantic City on there. So I bought this house phone and that was the trigger and he the thing was he had to rant half of it out look after it and that was what he would use to make the payments so it turned out great it was a great educational thing for you as well as a profit a good investment so what happened when he graduated tech I gave him the deed to the one to the house so but that was his encouragement but but when he finished tack he wanted ready to go to drama school.

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He went to work he got a job what about. Michael is a totally different invented. Michael's education far as I'm concerned lacked somewhat because of the school system he went through the same schools as other kids did but each one of them saw a deterioration in the public system.

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And when Michael came along he did very well in school but not you he went down to. Abraham ball and. Then saw tipped and I think it is someone and he went there for a year then he came back and he was. Going to. Kill us all. Which was fine with us and he was.

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Dr than from here every day to Kennesaw college one day he decided that I'm not going to do this Dr an e-mail. So he. Had then and the Boy Scouts of course I they all went through Scouting with me and he'd been the Philmont like all the other.

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Other two and they really really knew how to do anything outdoors and he built himself on the campus out in the woods of Kennesaw college a tree house here and he lived in this tree house wonderful for nine months nobody knew he was living there wondered what do we do traffic there this was all on the funny thing was I think it was Walt it was all the walls the crowd.

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That they'd go about it and he lived at Kennesaw and finally they kept seeing in this truck there every night there was a company in town which was called script And I bought this truck from script zero when he shut down and he was driving this pickup truck and he wondered why the guard would see this Dane truck there every time so finally they figured out what was happening and he was effected on television they had all.

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And he is an artist really but he was going to Kennesaw he did not finish gamma saw but he he got involved in other things as it went along and then he. Started some I don't know when or how but he was building some log cabins and next thing I know he's in the timber framing.

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You in well I. Think you know if he well then he's a craftsman and. He built. He's built a number of timber frame structures in fact at the I believe it's the post school church the fork of peach tree in the give the other a bush just above Wesley you know how you go up Peachtree and.

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May I think is St Phelps right down the fork Well they've got two structures outside from the parking lot call it Gates the little small structures and the timber frame. Where he but he did those those are his job he did him for the church. And and he's been as far as.

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This year he went to Scotland and built with some of his temper frame friends the a trade which is a the thing that throws the big rocks into the castles. Yeah and he built one actually he went up to I think in C.M. of the genial terriers do one up in Virginia and they built one there he worked on it but he's done other things like this he's been he's erected Adama Tory in Japan.

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That he went to the guy from up in New England had him go over there and erect a timber frame building when he's been to. Russia and everything that you around the world yeah even a lot of different very unique voices so yeah I mean you know. Yep all obligated to.

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And we have we have seven grandkids and we've been very lucky in the sense that all of my healthy. Like out three boys a healthy and all three of still married after almost twenty years and not divorced which makes me feel pretty good and my oldest son has a son who's the oldest and a daughter.

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The end Sharon and he is about to graduate high school I think another year but my middle son Alan has three he ended up with three girls which would have I couldn't stood. And his young his oldest daughter. Anna Rachel just graduated from high school. And unfortunately she's going to some offbeat colleges over and Alabama.

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Which bothered me but I can't do it first she was gone all but and I felt that might be our right and they slipped down down trade Alabama so I don't know about that one that I have another granddaughter without call Gretchen and she's got about two more years I think and then a younger one.

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Which is she's got. Well I think she's eight years old so she's the youngest she's got a ways to go you can you really. Well I would like to but the interesting thing they graduated from this it's a private. School you know. It's all the way through high school and they had I think two or three boys that went to the graduation to.

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Weeks ago or three weeks ago and either two or three of my going to tech which was very interesting most of the kids were go in Alabama some like. Yeah you better do. Well I think so I would like same going but anyway then we've got those and then we go from them to Michael who lives say on the property with us and he's got a.

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Son and a daughter. And there. Micah is the daughter and a so is the son. And he says. Very much involved in sporting activities he's a he's a goalie for basket for soccer and Mike I think is doing our school She's think she's a class president now something the student council is I mean.

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I think you have now. So we've got seven grandkids but two too many girls. And you're probably you care for everyone right so I don't know. I mean I'm not I'm not too good at dealing with the the theme e-mails I leave that up to my wife well now we're moving into another period of your life when you're here as a gentleman farmer Well not totally.

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I was running my business up and roughly up until about two years ago. Pro-tax systems my son Alan has been working for us for a number of years. And he has taken over pro-tax systems as well as another company that I own in Huntsville. Who they we call going to the trade name of ten Tronics T.-I.

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And here when I see us in what we do it ten Tronics I bought this company it was bankrupt board a number of years ago and Alan has Qana managed it. And I assisting where I can but and I think we have about thirty five forty people working there and what we do is take Alectryon IT components which are anywhere from resistors to capacitors and they can be actual radio we tape them we make Copeland arity of the surface mount parts the flatpacks and we tape.

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The components that are used in surface mount technology so we have all this what you might call preparation equipment that used to be the automated machines so they can assemble at Tronics and we do that on a contract basis. And he has also taken over the protest systems he runs that now.

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So and I would it would have been I have been in the used equipment business all these years too and I'm still in it in fact I should be doods up on it right now but. The used equipment. Is a fairly lucrative business and I have bought factories I.

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Put them in my wows and soul equipment Yeah and run equipment again but you are right. You are a gentleman. If you want to say so OK I mean what kind of can we have we have Sharlee and we've had them since we own the property and I threw what does say thirty five years yeah we started off with black angus and we switched over to Charlotte and.

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We had the cattle in the pasture and they used to be over there where the school was where we saw a loss on the property how many can. Probably thirty or forty not that I'm aware I do it when I can when I get up to it but who does it when you don't know what it dear I get a few things that but I can't behave feels and I used to cut moan hay and have enough but now I don't have to buy and besides running.

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Well then I got into another business but ten or eleven years ago one of the young men that I knew with one of the factories that we sold equipment for who he was a service manager he says to me he'd like to start his own assembly shop so I said OK.

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So I'll get the equipment together for. He started disassembling shop in Woodstock basically Woodstock and I'm Holly Springs and he ran a trade years. And the one day he tells me we're going to. I've been approached by somebody they want to build a bigger assembly company and they've got a few million dollars together and I'm thinking about going with them and they'll buy the company that I've started basically we own the company it was a corporation.

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So the day comes that he's going to leave that he tells me. We're not the company's not going to buy this company it's up to you what you do with it so I had twelve lady the Lebanese one man work I said What do you want to do you want me to lock it up the on a goal that we'd like job so I said OK so for the last two and a half years I've been running I write is that shot which is kind of a.

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Crazy. Yeah yeah so I. Can you know yeah over the yes I have I've done a number of community things I feel it's a a need that we have. As I had mentioned you before we were on the screen here we talked about I used to serve on the Grand Ole in the Fulton County want to live every teen months I was on jury duty and then towards the end of that era that I was on the grand jury and we did some interesting present months.

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And we left and came up and one of the first things I found out that the water authority Well the Water Authority wanted to take and put the. Do so put a sewer leaned down through my property and I got very upset about it and it turned out of course they had the authority to do anything they want we had the bruises first small development and I am in a domain they virtually take over anything so.

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I got very upset about it and we got a neighborhood group together fussin and in the meantime we've been up till a while I had been on. Sort of jury duty and served on a grand jury and then I ended up serving on a. As the foreman of the grand jury.

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In you learn a lot of things when you get involved in things like us and I delved into this water authority and found that of all the things that are mismanaged it was severely and it was because frankly I am convinced it was fattening fat pocketbooks of people that live in the county and I wanted to do things a little different I want to see improvements in one of the things I did this goes back a few years ago before we had all the I.B.M. P.C.'s and all of us.

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We when I was appointed to the water authority first meeting I went to I asked them Where do you get your water. And they said we buy it from Cobb County and this place I said and you're in a water business that doesn't make sense I said you you've got the finest source of water you've got they had a war wherever you could be drawn your water that row.

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All well we've got too many. Water lines and things we've got to run for the contractors obviously because. As they were being paid off so a year later they finally listened to me and went to designing a water factory. Water treatment plan or if they had a war well they didn't get too far with and then they bring the plans into the water authority meeting I looked at him us and looked and went through very carefully and as and how you going to control what happens here and there or we're going to have a the guy runs a plant walk around the plant turn the valves and I said.

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It's ridiculous I've done some studies in Reading Pennsylvania I've gotten a study from them they had automated misses again the earlier computers and I had Texas Instruments and I had a few of the people come in presenting in Fox bar and was one of them and I can remember the name present a package where a guy could sit at a computer like we do now and punch and you know and manage and monitor the whole plant the engineering firm that still around and I would have fired them right then.

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They said no we've got to have this man walking around the plant so he can see what's going on and of course they voted against me but this gave the engineering firm the opportunity at a later date to automate the plan. Would have cost us any money in them so I've been involved in things like US Unfortunately I did not make my money.

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In this county. I see to me it does because if I were trying to make money in the county maybe my attitude would have been there when I was something but I was looking out for the general welfare of the people in the this is unfortunately not true of all the politicians.

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Right now we have a problem in the county. And it's been then down somewhat that the developer has like to pay for and give nice commitments to the commission is whoever it is and last election we got rid of some of the the problems that we had somebody had to bring you know like you know and it's a tough battle with talking about them but well I've done it in fact I had one of the guys that I checked when they had the appointment for the ward authority again while back when I looked to see if there were any tech people living in the area and I contact one guy can't remember his name but he sits behind me at the deck basketball game he applied beating either the pick somebody else but I don't know how I don't know what they've done I gave up on it but you try and you best Yeah and what happened the former head commissioner of this county.

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Went to the grand jury when the reappointment of me came up a friend of mine happened to be on the grand jury and he said you got to take him off the grand jury he's this and that you know he told Grant take me off so my friend made him kick somebody else off who later was a bill that he got back on the grand jury as a deck whether that skipped it I got out of my house and one of them but this is.

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This is politics. So you're not bored no you're not bored you've got plenty to keep you I never have been bored and I got more things to do right in if I did everything Nancy saying I have another minute it's right there's an antique piano with that that we bought it all years ago and it's an English piano and we had to buy somebody in the sky.

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You know him I married a someone anyway that isn't supposed to be talked up quite as tight is America and as a result they screwed it up so I put an electric keyboard into but my tan is to redo that like I'm kind of surprised when I get all kind of projects I got you name.

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And then I go up to my I've got a little industrial park up at Holly Springs which I rent space out and I keep I have to monitor that you actually get an affront to me and Mr Helper here and. Now I have funded it well and been wonderful listening to your story and inspiration and anyone who says they haven't got anything to do anything sit down and look at this tape and know how many opportunities there are what the tons of things to do and I just don't have time to get them all what a wonderful thing to be able to say Yeah and again if i quit i think i would die instantly and see what I plan to do if I make it it's almost too late now we have a swimming pool up here in Woodstock a new crew with the fifty meter and twenty five yard lengths and I've been trying to hit it three four times a week when I go up then I swim.

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Right just right at a mile keep keep yourself physically fit try to thank you so much for taking the time to let OK come with you today and we've enjoyed the ride is a lot of fun from beginning to thank you so much OK.