This is an oral history interview with Harold W. Geggenheimer, class of 1933, conducted by Marilyn Summers on October the 22nd, 1999. 

We are at the Alumni Faculty House of the Georgia Tech campus here in Atlanta, Georgia, and we're delighted to have you as our guest today, Mr. Geggenheimer. Thank you so much for joining us, and we're looking forward to hearing your story. Thank you, Marilyn, and I'll start with my... First, tell me where you were born and when. 

Where were you born and when? 

I was born in Brooklyn, New York in what's known as the Flatbush section, and that was on December 30th, 1910. 1910. 

Now, you told me you had interesting ancestors, so let's talk a little bit about your background. 

Yeah, well, my grandfather, on my father's side, came from Germany, from Fortsheim, which is in the southern part of Germany and is a fairly good -sized town. 

I was in there on one occasion because I've traveled extensively throughout Europe, and my company has an office in Augsburg, Germany, office and factory both. And so, Fortsheim, where my grandfather came from, he was a jeweler. 

He came over on a boat to go to New York City, and on the boat he met my grandmother, who was from Basel, Switzerland, B-A-S-E-L, and she, they just happened to be on the boat together and they met and they married. Shipboard romance. Exactly. Yeah. 

Now, on my mother's side, I know less about her family because her father died when she She was very young, and her mother died when she was very young. 

But anyway, both of them, her parents came from Switzerland, and they were dairy farmers in, that is, her father was a dairy farmer in Switzerland. And so she ended up in Brooklyn, New York, and that's where she met my father. 

Now my, going back to my grandfather and grandmother, they settled in New York, in the lower east side of New York. They had six children, five boys and one girl. 

And my father was, his mother used to say to him, and this is, I'm quoting my father, And, ******, you is a bad boy. He was colorful, huh? 

Yes, I'm sure. My father was always colorful, yes. And so he always was interested in printing. And he got a job in running errands for a print shop in New York City. and he was very bad at school and so finally his mother said Billy you must go to work so he stopped going to school at age 12 and went and continued to work for this print shop. He was in printing all his life. He became a printer. He was inclined to be mechanical. On his mother's side, she had a brother whose name was Labor, L-A-B-O-R. And he came with his wife and settled in Patterson, New Jersey. And he had a successful business over there making harnesses for horses. The harnesses, you know, go over there, the heads and the reins and all that kind of stuff. And he had a successful business, and he gave to my father, I remember them very well, two big books. They were about like this, 18 inches by 18 inches, and about 4 inches thick. And from these books, my father learned how to be a machinist. 

Really? so they were instructional books and he read very instructional and very good pictures I'm just so sorry that I I didn't he didn't hand them down to me you know and I lost track of them but I used to look at them and but he learned how to be a machinist from those pictures. 

So eventually, after he got married to my mother, and they lived in Brooklyn, he bought a lathe and a drill press and a milling machine and he had all these tools which he kept in his in the basement and he and he always worked and he worked in that basement in different homes because when as he moved from one place to another he would always take these tools with you remember that as a child always having him. Oh, yes, he always went down to the cellar. Did that inspire you? 

Not really. You didn't want to make sure. Because I don't have that interest in machine tools. I've run them because I've had to, being in the business that I'm in and so on, but I really am not. I don't have the same capabilities to be a machinist as he had. This is something that you're born with. Yeah, I think so. It's like you're born to be a good baseball player or whatever. 

But his trade was actually a printer. 

Well, he was a printer first, but also, as I've said, he had a bent for being a machinist. 

So when the printing press would have some problems, Bill Gaggenheimer would fix the press, and sometimes he would have to make parts for the printing press and so he would go back to his shop and and make those parts and so although he was a printer for a number of years. 

He later became a rector for a printing machinery company, the Harris Press Company, which today is one of, although it's been sold and the name is no longer Harris it's the probably the world's number one pruning press company today and he worked for this company and they were just beginning to introduce offset presses this goes back to 1906 and he was what was known as an rector the press would be sent to the print shop and then he would go out and put the press together and make it run and if there were troubles with it why he had to solve them and in 1906 offset presses were just beginning to be known and so there were very many troubles that had to be resolved so he was a self-made man yes he was and he never worked for anybody very long he had always wanted to get as much money as the job would pay and if he felt that he uh deserved more money and the boss didn't agree with him he would leave and was able to pick up somewhere else oh yes he was never ever out of work so he worked for the Harris Press Company as I said starting in 1906 and he worked for ink companies and he worked for many companies and eventually in 1918 he started his own business now we had a house in Brooklyn, which he had built along with his brothers. 

His mother and father lived in a house alongside of the one that he built, but his brothers and he built this house where I was born in 1910 and then we lived there I lived there until the family moved in 1918 to Baldwin Long Island so he sold the house in Brooklyn for a fair amount of money enough so that he could buy a small house but with a lot of land in Baldwin Long Island which was only about 22 miles from Brooklyn but in those days 20 22 miles was quite a distance and it took an hour to get there driving an automobile and so he bought this house which was didn't have any inside plumbing and needed a lot of work to do on it but it had a lot of land so he was able to build a garage there which he built himself and started his business to rebuild printing presses offset printing presses and the business was going along quite well in 1927 he invented a device for cleaning the ink rollers on the printing presses until he came up with his device it was necessary to take the rollers out of the press and wash them with rags and solvent but with With his device, it was possible to turn a couple of screws and bring a blade against one roller, and you'd put on some solvent. 

In those days, it was kerosene, 50 percent, and gasoline, 50 percent, because people cringe when you say anything about it. That sounds pretty potent right now. Gasoline. 

But anyway, this was very successful, and by 1929, just two years later, he moved the business from Baldwin, Long Island, to a small factory building in Brooklyn. and that was sort of step number one in the development or let's say step number two, step number one was when he founded the business step number two in the business was when he moved to Brooklyn Brooklyn. As I said, the business was moved to Brooklyn in 1929. 

Now, the business had been started, I don't know if I mentioned that before, had been started in Baldwin in in 1918. 

Baldwin was a very small town, about 5,000, sort of a combination farming town, and it was also right on Great South Bay or very close to it, and so there was a lot of fishing done there might say also that this was during Prohibition period and so there's a very good amount of bootlegging that was done in those days which was interesting and when I was in grammar school and we'd go down to the to the harbor to go swimming way it was very wide open you'd see these fishermen come in with their fast boats they took the the boats that they had with typical fishing boats but they took the slow engines low horsepower engines out of those and put in a very high high horsepower engine so that they could go very fast and beat the Coast Guardsmen when they'd come after them. 

And they were also able to go down these creeks from in the waterway and they could they could lose those the the good guys very easily. 

So there was a real game going on there, then, huh? 

Oh, yes. It was a busy, busy day. 

And when I was in high school, I sat next to one boy whose family were fishermen, and on occasion he would go out before he'd come to class and do a little rum-running on the side, and so... Nobody thought anything of it. Oh, it was well accepted and all those guys did very well, made a lot of money and so on. Where did you go to high school? 

This was in Baldwin High School, and so I graduated from there. 

Were you raised going to high school thinking you would go to college? 

Oh yes, because I had two sisters. 

One sister had not gone to college, but my middle sister, she was four years older than I, she was very much interested in going to college. And at that time, my father didn't think that that was proper for a girl. 

It was a waste of money to send her to college, but she worked hard at it, And she made money by doing chores, cleaning houses for local people and things like that. And so my father got to realize that she was very interested. 

And as a result, she went to Mount Holyoke and graduated from Mount Holyoke College, which is up in South Hadley, Massachusetts. And she encouraged you to do the same thing? 

Yes, yeah. Yeah, but she also said that it was very important for me to study Latin, and I hated Latin. 

And that was, and I kind of got to hate my sister for her insistence on it, because Latin was, I liked math. math was fine and but I didn't study very much in high school I was on the basketball team I was captain of the basketball team my last year and I played football I wasn't very good until my last year and I played baseball and track and I enjoyed going to dances with girls and so I really had a very good time in high school that's a wonderful memory though yeah yeah and I was president of the general organization and so it was a good time it was a lot of fun and so by the time the my senior year rolled around I realized that I hadn't done much thinking about going to to college and I looked into it in a way and got learned about the curriculums and discovered that I didn't have quite enough math so I got the curriculum from Georgia Tech and I was induced to to look into Georgia Tech because in 28 well on New Year's 29 they had won the football game at the Rose Bowl so that piqued your attention so So that got my attention, and I thought, well, I like athletics, and I also want to be an engineer, so Georgia Tech should be the place to go. 

So I got there, curriculum, and had to squeeze in some solid geometry in a short period, which I did my senior year and although my grades hadn't been so hot the I did get very good recommendations from the from the principal and superintendent of the school because I'd been active in as I said everything president of the GEO and captain of the basketball team and stuff like that. Had you ever been to Georgia Tech? 

No. You'd never been to Atlanta? 

No. No. 

So you were doing this blind. You just decided it sounded okay. Yes. 

And money was a commodity that we didn't have much of, and Georgia Tech, incidentally, the tuition was very low, whereas tuition at MIT was $450. Georgia Tech was around $200. Can you imagine that? 

So that had a definite attraction. Yeah. 

So I figured that although the distance for traveling was going to cost me money, that I would make it up because the tuition was low. 

And so I studied different ways of going to Atlanta, and the train was $50, but I was able to get a boat to go from New York City to Savannah, Georgia for $33. Really? 

Really. How interesting. 

So I took the boat and landed at Savannah and hitchhiked from Savannah to Atlanta. That took a day. With luggage. Had you brought luggage with you? 

Well, in those days you shipped most of your stuff in a trunk. A big trunk. Yeah, so we sent that ahead. 

That I sent down to Harris Hall, and all I carried was the stuff that I needed, a suitcase and a knapsack. 

Did you have any trouble hitchhiking? 

No, I had had lots of experience hitchhiking because I used to do that. 

The only trouble I had is at one point a Buick came along which was a nice -looking one and I put my thumb up and it turned out that that was a pay vehicle and so I had to before I after I got on it why I realized I had to pay them $6 to go from wherever I was at that time to Macon, and then I got off at Macon and hitchhiked the rest of the way. They weren't interested in it being free, huh? 

Yeah, right, right. 

So you arrived at Tech after this quite a journey. It took quite a long time. Yeah, I arrived in Atlanta, and it was dark, and I had to go to a hotel that night. I didn't know anything about getting to Tech. and I got a room for two dollars in a hotel on Peachtree and then the next morning I went out went out to Georgia Tech and do you remember what your thoughts were I mean what was your impression well when I got to Atlanta I was kind of scared I didn't know what I was getting into and there with people standing around, and I was wondering if these people were going to rob me or whatever, and so I was kind of scared. 

But when I got out to check why things eased away, although being a Yankee with a name like Gaggenheimer, which everybody thought was a Jewish name. That was one problem. 

I was rushed by a Jewish fraternity, which was rather normal because, as I say, Gaggenheimer is a Jewish-sounding name. 

But these were some of the things that had to be straightened out. Did they think you talked funny? 

I don't recall. 

Did you think they talked funny? 

Well, I didn't think too much of that, but they did think that a Republican from Brooklyn, New York, was not the most savory type of individual. You came with a little aura around you. Yeah, right. 

What did you think of Georgia Tech as far as classes and professors and stuff? 

How did that all hit you? 

Well, I kind of felt it was pretty much like I had expected. 

But the thing is that I had not studied when I was in high school. 

And I was prepared to have to study because I knew ****** well that if I didn't, that I was going to get kicked out. 

So I was prepared to work like the devil, and I did. And you did. did for the first two years now you were very involved in high school did you not want to join everything when you got here how did you well and you did you well I did go out well I went out for football and then I realized that I was too small for that and so I dropped that and then one day they had a they announced that there was going to be a cross-country race and so I figured I'd get into that and I I won it so after that I got involved with cross-country well if you won the race I know who came after you right away you know I don't I bet you George wanted to know all about you then. 

Yeah, but I don't remember that George did anything about it at that time, but anyway I certainly got to know him later and particularly when springtime came around and I got to be running races and as a freshman we also had some there's a couple of other good students that I got to know that were good runners and we ran a relay race in the southern relays and got second place in that which was we got a nice medal for that which was real fun yeah right so you were studying like the devil you said for those first two years but you still could find time to run and you joined a fraternity yeah you know so what happened yeah see it did by the by my senior I'm not senior year but by the end of my sophomore year I had had all Oh, my goodness. All A's. I did well. Obviously, the ability was there. You just hadn't been applying yourself before, huh? 

Yeah. 

So your parents had to be pleased that you were doing okay away from home? 

Yeah. 

Well, I didn't recall that they ever said anything much about it. No? 

Typical of a German family. You had to excel at the course you did. 

Did you make any special friends during that period of time? 

Who comes to mind as people you were really attached to. Yeah, I had some good friends. 

My roommate, Tom Stafford, who lives in Atlanta, he got in the brokerage business and I hear from him and I've seen him over the years. and another roommate Bill Johnston I haven't heard from him and then there was some others and but generally speaking outside of Tom I guess I can't say that I know too many of them how about professors did any of them stay in your mind is somebody that helped you well I remember Dean Skiles particularly well he was my calculus professor and he taught in the what is now just the academic building because we had we had classes we had not only math there but I remember taking some English classes there, and, of course, Georgia Tech wasn't anywhere as near so big as it is today. Oh, no, no, no, no, it was much smaller. 

But Dean Skiles, I probably remember him more than any other professor that I had, and it was quite unusual for a dean to be teaching a course like that. 

But you managed, now you said you had, by the second year you had all A's. 

Did you manage to keep that right through graduation? 

No, because by that time I got interested in girls. Uh-oh. 

So social life came into play, huh? 

Tell us about that. Where did you meet girls? 

Well, that was very easy. 

Well, you met them through to the fraternity, and so if you went to dances, you'd meet them. 

I don't know whether they have the breaks that they had in those days, but if you saw a girl that was dancing on the floor with another guy, why you could cut in, except for what they call the no breaks. I don't know, do they still have that? 

I don't know if they do either. 

But it gave you a lot of ability to shop, so to speak, look around for who you were interested in. Yeah, yeah, right. 

And so you dated quite a bit, you went to the dances? 

Yeah, and we'd have girls around to the fraternity house on Sundays for dinner. 

What was it like to live in a fraternity house? 

Is it like we see in the movies? 

Everybody having a good time and coming and going? 

Well, yeah, lots of good times, but lots of serious times. It was during the Depression, and nobody had a lot of money, and so we had the worries. 

But generally speaking, it was pleasant, yeah. 

Did you have a house mother or somebody that kept track of you? 

We did for the first year that I was there, and then after that we didn't, so we didn't have the house mother. Just a bunch of guys. Oh, my. 

But we had a president of the fraternity, and then we had what we called a number four, and he was the treasurer. And it was the treasurer's job to take care of hiring the help. help, and we had two butlers and a cook to take care of the house, and the cook, and he had to do that. And then he also had to take care of ordering all the food, which he did working with the cook. 

Did you eat most of your meals through the fraternity then yeah yeah the only meals my first year I ate in the dining hall next to Harris Hall same dining hall that they have today and then after I was in the fraternity house which I did from my sophomore year on I ate all the meals at the fraternity house except for Sunday night and usually on a Sunday night we were asked out by some girlfriend to have dinner there, you know. 

So you could count on that. Yeah. 

There were a lot of exciting things happening in Atlanta at that time, just before the Depression and even after. We had the opening of the Fox Theater. Yes. Did you ever go there? 

Oh yes. 

Do you remember all that taking? 

Yeah, they had the Fanchon and Marco girls, I think they were called. these were CORVUS girls and some of the fraternity brothers thought that it was pretty exciting to take those girls out I mean you were allowed to actually take them out they dated college boys oh yeah sure sure sure college boys some were pretty sophisticated and these were girls that traveled around and they were delighted to go go out with our guys I I never did care for them in particular but when I was at Tech I don't know how it is now but the girls that we dated were either Washington Seminary I think it was called yeah and then there was also North Avenue Presbyterian School, and I went with a girl that went to NAPS, and of course these girls were some younger than we were. High school. 

Yeah, high school, yeah, and so only a few of us went with the, what's the college out here? 

Agnes Scott, maybe? 

Agnes Scott, yeah. I never took out any of those girls. 

But no shortage of girls to go? 

And you'd take them to the movies? 

Well, mostly the dances. To dances. That was a big thing. Yeah, usually Saturday night dances. And those dances would have been held not necessarily at Tech, but in the area? 

Oh, at Tech, yeah. At Tech. Yeah, right. 

And as we understand it from the history books, there were big bands that came sometimes, really well known. 

Well, we had big bands like twice a year for the midterm dances and the final dances. 

Then we had, yeah, we had, oh I can't think of the names of the guys anymore, but in those days big big bands were the way yeah well-known yeah and so the the junior prom and the senior ball those we had to pay extra for those and so we were able to get the big bands for those overall when you look back at it from 1929 to 1933 were difficult times financially for everybody yes it was but you still did you have a good time oh yeah yeah yeah mm-hmm yeah it was during prohibition and there was a lot of drinking and corn whiskey which was very cheap here in Atlanta it was available yeah yeah oh yes and to find a bootlegger was not any problem and by that time Frank Gordy had the varsity well established yes yeah I recall going down there to the varsity and getting a hamburger and a coke for a dime but it was just a little place yeah not like it is yeah oh yeah no just just a little little shop yeah but they were good times even though they were hard times. Oh yeah. 

Do you suppose that's because everybody was in the same boat? 

Nobody really had any money? 

There were a few that did have money, but generally speaking it was not a problem. 

I got a car my junior year with three other guys we bought a car for $50 and so the battery was always dead but we always kept it on a hill so we could let it roll and the engine would start and so we'd go downtown with that or else we'd go down in a taxi cab by chipping five cents apiece, and the taxicab down to Atlanta from the Fraternity House only cost twenty-five cents. 

So you could be where the action was. Yeah, yeah. And of course when the Fox Theater came along we could walk to that. 

But even walk downtown was not too much of a walk. We usually walk back after the show was over. 

So going to the movies was a big deal, taking Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. And that was usually reserved for a Saturday or a Sunday night, but because... Because you were studying on weekday nights or at least one day. Oh, yeah, and we always had classes on Saturday. I imagine that's the same now. Oh, no. No, no classes on Saturday. Oh, no, we always had classes. They were half-day sessions in your time, were they not? 

Oh, yes, half-day. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And we, of course, we went to the football games on Saturday afternoon. That was a given. Everybody did that. Yeah. Right. Right. 

Well, when I graduated from Tech in 1933, that was the depths of the Depression. And Franklin Roosevelt had been elected in 1932. He closed the banks shortly after he came into office and things were very bad. My father had a small business in Brooklyn. I mentioned that he had moved to Brooklyn in 1929. but by 33 he had two people working for him and so I was very pleased to get a job working for him and there weren't too many other offers for again that's right and for $15 a week and running errands I was a gopher kid when they needed to send some patterns to the to the foundry I took them over and when they needed to a bar of steel I had run over to New York City and to get that and that sort of thing. 

But things went along, and... 

When did they start to change? 

Well, they got better soon after I got there, generally speaking, in the printing industry. My father made equipment for printing presses. 

And we were fortunate in that the offset process and I don't know how much you might know about offset but today offset is the primary method of printing and it was just beginning to take off and he was involved in that segment of it so it I worked for him for four years and then I figured I should work for somebody else so I I got a job designing printing presses for one of the major printing press companies. 

So you stayed in the field? 

Yes, and then I left that company and went with another one doing the same sort of thing. 

And then at the end of World War II, an interesting thing happened in that when I was working for my father, we had designed a printing press, which we didn't do anything with it. We didn't have enough money to push it along and develop it. 

But the General Dynamics Company, Electric Boat Division in Groton, Connecticut, which made, you've known about them from the nuclear submarines that they've built, they had built a lot of submarines during World War II, but at the end of the war they had no business. us. 

So they bought this printing press from us, and I went up in charge of building the printing presses for them, which I did for five years. And we built a lot of presses and sold them all over the world, and it was very interesting. 

But at the end of this, Just about 1951, Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics got very much involved with nuclear submarines, and so they didn't need our activities, so that was terminated. 

And they, of course, went on to build the Nautilus and all these other exotic submarines which fire torpedoes which can hit Russia and so on and so at at the end of that time I went back to work for my father and joined his company had about nine people at that time and I had a pretty good knowledge by this time of the printing machinery business as a designer and also I had been a manager of the electric boat division and in charge of sales and the whole thing. 

So I thought that going back by this time my father is 75 years of age and I figured that it was a good time for me to join the business and so the offset was just really beginning to boom there were a lot of things that could be done I had some ideas and we had he had eight or nine people as I said working for him at that time, and immediately the business grew. 

We enlarged our factory several times in Brooklyn, and then we built a new one in Stamford, Connecticut. it and then we began to acquire other companies which we did in America and then we our products got to be known so worldwide so we developed license arrangements in England and in Germany and in Japan and how long did your father's day around the business well he died in 1997 oh my stars by this time he was 96 so he had had a full chance to see what you were able to do with it Yes, but by that time, we gave him a small machine shop in the building that we built out in Stamford, and he was very happy to fiddle around in there, and all the people in the shop knew him and so it that really worked out it did very well it worked out very well for him and he my mother had passed away but he remarried and lived just adjacent close by to where we built the new printing plant that's wonderful yeah and he had a chance to see all of your ideas and the worldwide expansion and everything too yeah yeah well he was never excited about anything but that's just their style you know he enjoyed fiddling around in his own backyard or his own machine shop and and liked to talk about what he was working on but he didn't get involved in the other stuff. 

So typical, that Germanic mind. Yeah, right, right. Not wildly enthusiastic. 

What do you take the greatest pride in, in your accomplishments? 

Well, the fact that the company has grown. We now have, instead of nine employees in Brooklyn, we have twelve hundred all over the world. What a great growth rate. That's remarkable, isn't it? 

Yeah, and I certainly was very pleased to... I gave some money to Georgia Tech, so we established a lecture series. I don't know if you... Right. I'm very familiar with them, sir. And I was going to ask you where that idea came from. 

Was that something you wanted to do well it was did you know Connie Parrish well Connie Parrish was with the Georgia Tech Development Group at that time and somehow or other she was introduced to me and she came up to see me up in in Connecticut and somehow or other we got talking about one thing or another her, and she suggested that concept. 

We just had the fifth lecture yesterday on innovation, and innovation of course, I have a lot of inventions, and so innovation to me is very important. That's what it's all about. Yeah, right. as a creator yourself you encourage it in others and give other people an opportunity to hear about it you know I understand I'm sorry I was not at the lecture yesterday but I understand it was very well received yeah well we had an interesting guy he's the retired president of Holly Davidson and Holly Davidson was in bad straits. They were broke in about 1985 and he became the CEO and president and turned it around. Not unlike what happened with Mr. Gigenheimer. Not unlike. You're experienced with that yourself. It gives you pleasure to do the lectures. 

You like coming to them too oh yes yeah and we had some good good meetings we had a dinner with the Georgia Tech advisory board and what we do is we bring down our some of our own people who've been active in developments and we do have at in the company, something that was established by the board of directors some years ago, the Harold Geggenheimer Technical Achievement Award. 

So the people that win that award, and it can be from one to four of them at a particular time because usually it's the sort of thing where more than one person is involved. and so those people will come down to attend the lecture plus a certain number of our executives it's a wonderful opportunity the president of the company was here and and heads of divisions like we have a division in Kansas City and one in in California, and one in Chicago, and one in Rockwell, Illinois, and so on. 

Now, you tell me you're retired, and yet you're going somewhere all the time. 

Well, I'm getting tired of it. Are you? 

Do you like to travel, or have you traveled? 

Yeah, I like to travel, yeah, yeah. and what is your primary occupation as a retiree is it traveling reading golfing what is it that you like to amuse yourself well golf you do like golf sailing oh that's wonderful so you're still close to the sea oh yeah we you live right on it you still like to go out my office is right on the mystic River. 

My wife's house, where I live, is on Little Narragansett Bay, which looks out towards Block Island Sound and the ocean. 

In the summertime, we go to Maine, which we did this year, and rent a house up there, and also get a boat to sail in, so, and also play golf. 

So you're enjoying your retirement time, but you keep a hand in still in the business. 

Well, I'm about to get out of it. Are you? 

Yeah. 

No, it gets too complex and when I get to the point where I try to write a memorandum and I've completed one longhand page and then turn over the sheet and then I start on that second sheet and I can't remember what I said in the first that's a **** of a mess you're ready to put that behind you concentrate on your grandchildren you told me you enjoy going out to see them and that's a good thing to be able to have grandchildren you have three granddaughters and two grandsons that's right you know and they give you a great deal of pleasure you And unlike your own parents, you take some pride in what they do, is that not so? 

Oh, I'd like to think so. Yeah, I think so too. The world has come a long way. Yeah. For a number of years, we got the whole family together and went to Hawaii. 

Last year, we went to the big island and had both my wife's family there and my family there how much fun so we had about 25 of us all together this year we're all going to be in California in Coronado I don't know if you know that sounds like a good fun time San Diego yeah a little more traveling for you yeah well mr. we're happy that you took time out of your very busy schedule this has been a wild week for you at best to tell us a little bit about your story and about your experiences at Georgia Tech we're very very pleased to have you here and thank you for taking time to share with us this morning well I enjoyed doing it up to the point that I'm glad that it's over how about that thank you sir yeah right.