[MUSIC PLAYING] NARRATOR: Have you a real love of books and learning? Are they your friends? Do you like people? And do people like you? Do you like all kinds of people? Because when you have these two important qualifications, love for books and love for people, you may well consider the vocation of a librarian. [MUSIC PLAYING] SINGER: (SINGING) I knew it must have been some big set up. CHARLIE BENNETT: You are listening to WREK Atlanta, and this is Lost in the Stacks, the Research Library Rock and Roll Radio Show. I'm Charlie Bennett in the studio with Fred Rascoe, Marlee Givens, and Cody Turner. Each week on Lost in the Stacks, we pick a theme and then use it to create a mix of music and library talk. Whichever you tune in for, we hope you dig it. FRED RASCOE: And speaking of digging it, our show today is called Digging the Details. It's another in our occasional series in which we feature new librarians and archivists at the Georgia Tech Library. We call it, Introduce Yourself. CHARLIE BENNETT: Right on. CODY TURNER: Charlie, I'm sorry. What do you mean by, why did you say, right on after introduced yourself? I know you're partial to outdated slang like, hope you dig it and tune in, but right on for me just kind of came out of nowhere. CHARLIE BENNETT: OK, I'm delighted you asked this question. I've been waiting for this. Please pull up the clip I've prepared as my answer. Chuck Mosley from Faith No More in 1987 will explain why I say, right on, after introduce yourself. Chuck. CHUCK MOSLEY: (SINGING) Huh? Introduce yourself, right on. Introduce yourself, right on. Introduce yourself, right on. Introduce yourself, right on. Introduce yourself, right on. Billy! Right on. Introduce yourself, right on. CHARLIE BENNETT: You can't beat that with a stick. CODY TURNER: OK. CHARLIE BENNETT: As far as I'm concerned. CODY TURNER: I get it. FRED RASCOE: That's some more outdated slang. My dad used to say that. Can't beat it with a stick. CHARLIE BENNETT: You know it. I'm trying to put as many as possible in here. You with puns, me with outdated slang. MARLEE GIVENS: All right. I gotta figure out my shtick, then. Today we're going to meet the institutional repository librarian and talk about how they became a librarian, how they got to Tech, and what exactly is their job. CHARLIE BENNETT: And we learned in this interview that our guest digs the details, thus the title, and really likes spreadsheets. MARLEE GIVENS: Mm-hmm. FRED RASCOE: So our songs today are about stewardship, growth, the joy of details, and the joy of spreadsheets. As we'll learn, our guest is digging deep into all of that. So let's start with a song about digging it. This is, "Can You Dig It" by MC Lyte, right here on Lost in the Stacks. [MC LYTE, "CAN YOU DIG IT"] Right on. Can you dig it? Right on. Right on, Can you dig it? Right on. Can you dig it? Right on. MARLEE GIVENS: That was "Can You Dig It" by MC Lyte. This is Lost in the Stacks, and our show today is called "Digging the Details." FRED RASCOE: And it's an introduce yourself show. CHARLIE BENNETT: Right on. MARLEE GIVENS: Right on. FRED RASCOE: Can you dig it? MARLEE GIVENS: Right on. And as the series title says, we will let our guests make their own introduction. VANESA EVERS: Hello, my name is Vanesa Evers, and I'm the Institutional Repository Librarian. MARLEE GIVENS: And how long have you been here? VANESA EVERS: It'll be a year next month. MARLEE GIVENS: Wow! VANESA EVERS: Yes. MARLEE GIVENS: This is not your first library job, but you weren't always a librarian. So can you tell us a little bit about how you got into libraries? VANESA EVERS: Yes. So I used to be an adjunct instructor. I used to teach English Composition 1 and 2 and reading courses. I have an MFA in creative writing, so I taught writing courses. I loved teaching in the college, but then I'd have some librarians come in and I was like, wow, what are you guys doing. I like what I'm doing, but what are y'all doing. And so I got really interested in librarianship, and I decided to go back to school to get my MLIS, and I needed a consistent income. And adjuncting wasn't that. I would be teaching at maybe four or five different colleges. So I went back to school and fell in love with archives and special collections. And from there, it's been a wrap. And I've been working in libraries for about seven or eight years since then. CHARLIE BENNETT: What was the stuff the librarians were doing that caught your attention? VANESA EVERS: Well, it's funny, because they actually weren't even doing anything dealing with archival work. They were just showing students resources online and annotated bibliographies and just kind of helping students find research. And it was just exciting watching them come in and then get to leave. And I was still in there with the students. And I was like, I want to leave, too, and see what you guys are doing. So I started scanning digitization projects and things like that, and I just fell in love with librarianship. I still love English. My mom's an English teacher retired, but I really fell in love with librarianship. FRED RASCOE: Plus, you got out of the whole English composition game before the advent of AI. VANESA EVERS: Yes, I didn't have to worry about any of that. FRED RASCOE: Yeah. CHARLIE BENNETT: Did you do anything in school about archival work, or was that the surprise when you got out of school? VANESA EVERS: No, no, no, no, no. I made sure, so when I got my MFA creative writing, I was having a lot of different jobs. I worked at the school library. I went to Sarah Lawrence in New York. So I'm working in the gym and just kind of random jobs. So I made sure that when I went back to school for my MLIS, as soon as I started my program, I had a job at the library. So I was at Drexel University. So that's Philadelphia. So I made sure. I knew I didn't want to work in public libraries. I knew I wanted to work in university library. So I went right in and I got a position at Penn, I got a position at Temple, and I just started to digitize, transcribe interviews. I went right in knowing what I wanted to do just based on some of my coursework. So by the time I graduated, I had a library job as soon as I was done. CHARLIE BENNETT: And what's compelling about that transcribing, digitizing, recovery and preservation stuff for you? VANESA EVERS: I loved being in the rooms alone just looking at the materials. Like, I would digitize like thousands of pages. I would transcribe letters from the 1800s. So kind of on the side, getting to read these really amazing historical pieces by myself, and then getting to write blogs about it and sharing that information out. And I remember telling my mom about these positions, and she was like, you would do this for five or six hours? And I was like, yeah. It was the best thing ever. And just having headphones and looking at this material, it was really amazing. But from there, I started to move out of archival work and more into what I do now, repository work. But that was really my entry into the field, and I loved it. And I loved being in the rooms by myself, in the materials. FRED RASCOE: So your role here is dealing with primarily born digital stuff. VANESA EVERS: Mm-hmm. FRED RASCOE: How did you make that transition from working with the physical to the digital to working with the primarily digital, and how have you enjoyed that transition? VANESA EVERS: Yeah, it was definitely a transition. One of my first positions was ETD librarianship. So electronic theses and dissertations. It was really different. I missed the materials and touching. But I think once I kind of switched, in my previous position, I was the digital publishing librarian. I think that the leap was just that, oh, I still get to work in this material. I still am not public facing. I still get to have access to materials that are made available online. It's just another like arm of that department. It ended up being an OK jump for me. CHARLIE BENNETT: And what was the transition to coming to Tech? What job did you have before you came here? VANESA EVERS: Before working at Tech, I was at the AUC Woodruff Library that serves Spelman, Morehouse, Clark. I think yeah, those are the main three schools. But I worked there for a little over three years. I was a digital publishing librarian. So I worked with all of their online publications, scholarship research, ETDs, open journal systems, anything that dealt with the publishing and articles, magazines, all of that, I would make available online. CHARLIE BENNETT: And so that sounds kind of similar to your position. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. So it really is institutional repository librarianship. So I'm still working with the repository, online publications, research and scholarship, and a little bit of ETDs with Fred. CHARLIE BENNETT: If you're working with a lot of publishing, it sounds like you don't get to be alone in the room anymore. Did you work more with faculty and students when you were in that position at AUC? VANESA EVERS: I did. I had a lot of meetings with professors that wanted to start up new journals, and got to work with a lot of students in their journals. I think the exciting thing here also, is that there's a lot of students. There's a law journal, student undergrad law journal or something that just got started last semester. So I still get to work with students. The main connection is spreadsheets. And I still got to work with spreadsheets from my previous positions and metadata spreadsheets. That's really the love for me, is being able to organize that information and making it available online. So we don't work with a whole lot of spreadsheets here, but there's other ways that we make things available, just because the repository ingests information differently than previous their digital asset management programs I've worked with. CHARLIE BENNETT: This is Lost in the Stacks. We'll be back with more from Vanesa Evers, Institutional Repository Librarian at Georgia Tech, after a music set. File this set under BF321.G25. [SHIRLEY ELLIS, "THE NITTY GRITTY"] Some folks know about it, some don't. Some don't. Some will learn to shout it. FRED RASCOE: "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" by The Police. And before that, "The Nitty Gritty" by Shirley Ellis. Those are songs about being in thrall to the details. [MUSIC PLAYING] MARLEE GIVENS: This is Lost in the Stacks, and today's show is called "Digging the Details." We're getting to one of Georgia Tech's newest librarians, our Institutional Repository Librarian, Vanesa Evers. Let's find out how it felt for Vanesa to arrive at Tech after working somewhere else. So you've been at Georgia Tech for almost a year, and you were at your previous institution for about three years. VANESA EVERS: Mm-hmm. MARLEE GIVENS: What felt different about Tech when you first got here? VANESA EVERS: Well, I think obviously, the first thing is, we're coming from an HBCU to, I can't even say PWI, but a university that serves more than predominantly Black students or HBCU or historically Black colleges and universities. So that was probably the main difference. So then that means then also the funding might look a little bit different, the resources look a little different, and AUC was a nonprof that served, or 503(c) that served the universities versus a library that's wrapped into the university. Any funds that come to the university, the library sees a lot of it. And that was a little bit different at AUC, the students that you serve. So a lot of it looks a little different. Though the goal is the same, it might be a little different on how you get there. FRED RASCOE: What was the first thing that you remember that you were asked to do when you got to Georgia Tech? VANESA EVERS: Oh, probably just learning the new program. I came from ContentDM and Islandora to now DSpace. So using a different program and learning in that was probably the first thing that I was told. Parking and figuring out DSpace. FRED RASCOE: And parking is always number one. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. I just got, a year later and I just now have an amazing parking spot, so I'm excited about that when I return to work. FRED RASCOE: How did you do that? VANESA EVERS: I got some people to come and help advocate for me. FRED RASCOE: Nice. VANESA EVERS: But I'm ready. But yeah, working with DSpace has been really interesting, just that ingest process. A lot of my spreadsheet, fell in love with working with spreadsheets and metadata. But in order to ingest one item, you had to do a whole spreadsheet ingest. So it's nice to be able to just go directly to the website and to ingest multiple items without having to do a spreadsheet. So that's been really nice transition. CHARLIE BENNETT: So I feel like we might be getting into the weeds before we really explain what the garden is. So tell us about your job. There's going to be a lot of people listening right now who have no idea what ingest means in terms of a repository, or even don't what a repository is. So what's your job? What do you do at Tech? VANESA EVERS: So my job is, whenever students or professors, researchers have published or researched, gone to a conference with a paper or a poster, an article published, they want to make it available for open access. They go to our forum on the repository and they submit all the information. Metadata is just that information. The title, the author, the abstract, the content, who else wrote this article with you. You provide all that information and make it available. From that step, we then, myself, Fred and others, we then mainly me, now that holiday's over, but we go in and we make it available online. So that's the basic definition of working with the repository, making your information, research and scholarship available online. CHARLIE BENNETT: So in a way, the repository is the digital public library of Georgia Tech. VANESA EVERS: Yeah, I'd say so. CHARLIE BENNETT: But this is also separate from what Alex deals with, the university archives. This is research and scholarship, and is it some creative expression, too? VANESA EVERS: Not as much as I think I've seen previous, at previous institutions. But if they provide some type of creative, if they've submitted a creative article or creative poster, yes. I will say that you can talk about getting in the weeds, you can really get in the weeds by reading all of the articles, reading all of the things. So there could be a lot of creative expression, but I try to make sure that I'm just submitting and not getting caught up with the really interesting things that our scholars are writing about. CHARLIE BENNETT: I know you're in holiday brain, but can you come up with a number, like how many things a day or a week or a month you're putting into the repository? VANESA EVERS: I would say that the highest time of the year, maybe I could get about 10 submissions a day, and putting those inside of the repository at peak of the time. CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah. VANESA EVERS: And then we'll see, once I log into my LibAnswers, which is the way that we gather that information. CHARLIE BENNETT: There's no way I'm going to read 10 articles a day. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. CHARLIE BENNETT: Not even 10 articles on one day. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. The titles are really interesting, though. So if it's an interesting title, I definitely will look at the abstract. But there's a lot of really interesting things in the repository. It can fluctuate based on maybe what professors are assigning to their students, as well, and the conferences. CHARLIE BENNETT: So if you get one item, can you walk us through what do you have to do to it or for it as part of the repository librarian job. VANESA EVERS: We have a really great system set up through LibAnswers Springshare. I have my email set up to where anything comes in, I can see it. So from there, notified that way, we go into our LibAnswers account. I see it's a repository item. I go into that item. I see the author name, I see what the content is, all the information related to that. I open the DSpace, our back end account area, and I then start to copy and paste over from the submission that the student or professor did. I go back and forth from DSpace. From there, it's like a five-minute process, and then you hit go. Really, that's what it looks like. But I think we're working on some more, we're thinking about, and that's I think probably for January in a couple of months-- --but we're thinking about how to make more of a substantial record of all of these materials, so it's not just you submit it, now we have it online, but we're trying to track how we can have everything that we have available online in the spreadsheet. So there might be a couple more steps added to that in the future. FRED RASCOE: You're determined to get spreadsheets into it. [CHUCKLING] You are listening to Lost in the Stacks, and we'll hear more from Vanesa Evers, Institutional Repository Librarian at Georgia Tech, on the left side of the hour. [MUSIC PLAYING] SNOWDEN BECKER: OK, I've got it. All right. I'm Snowden Becker. I'm an archivist who's worked with everything from film and home movies to bricks and pieces of bedsprings. And you're listening to Lost in the Stacks on WREK Atlanta. - (SINGING) Every man thinks he does what he can when he walks through the door and he's holding you up above. CHARLIE BENNETT: Today's show is called "Digging the Details," and we're talking to Vanesa Evers about their path to becoming the Institutional Repository Librarian here at Georgia Tech. Vanesa mentioned spreadsheets a few times in our interview, and finally, we asked, why do you like spreadsheets so much. VANESA EVERS: Oh, I just like information being organized. And I like the different functions you can use in Excel, because it's really easy to make a lot of the same information make sense. And our publisher, Georgia Tech, we can just slide down a lot of that information. The only thing we'd have to really change is like the author abstract and any actual information dealing with one item. But I like when things can be made simple. And working in Excel and spreadsheets is a really simple way to handle a lot of information. CHARLIE BENNETT: Is there some other way you could be doing this, but you like spreadsheets, or are spreadsheets inherent to this job? VANESA EVERS: I'd say that since I've been working in this field, it's between in spreadsheets, it's going to be Google Sheets or Excel. It's going to be between those. I know I've worked in one institution where they tried to use Word documents, where you're making your own tables and charts, but it just ends up really making sense to use spreadsheets whenever you're dealing with a huge collection. It's really been the way that I've seen in different institutions work well with a lot of information. CHARLIE BENNETT: Tables and Word documents, it just sounds like madness to me. VANESA EVERS: Yes. [DOPAPOD, "NUMBERS NEED HUMANS"] CHARLIE BENNETT: File this set under HF5548.S318. I feel like a robot now. That was "Numbers Need Humans" by Dopapod, song about organized numbers and figures and taking joy in their arrangement, perhaps in a spreadsheet. FRED RASCOE: This is Lost in the Stacks, and our show today is called "Digging the Details." We are getting to Georgia Tech's Institutional Repository Librarian, Vanesa Evers. MARLEE GIVENS: In the last part of our interview, we asked Vanesa about their frequent collaborators in the library. Who do you work with at the library? VANESA EVERS: So I work with one person here that we see, Fred. FRED RASCOE: Hi. VANESA EVERS: We work really closely. He mainly does the more complicated ETD. ETD is the more complicated repository submissions. Because he's been here for a very long time, he has that institutional knowledge and history of a lot of the relationships. So I'm really able to work with Fred to help figure out more complicated submission questions and relationships with different institutions. So mainly Fred. I also work with Cliff Landis. We co-manage the repository. He works with a lot more of the vendors. I work a lot more with working in the repository. And then Katie, Katie and Fred are the ones that trained me in DSpace, so those are probably the main two people. But Katie and I, we don't work as closely now as we did before, because now that I know DSpace, I just do my job. FRED RASCOE: And I'll say, when I work in the repository and I think, hey, the repository needs to do X and it doesn't do X, I'll talk to Vanesa and say, hey, Vanesa, talk to the Atmire developers. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. CHARLIE BENNETT: You have to tinker? Do you have to change what's going on in the platform itself sometimes? VANESA EVERS: Well, that's where we and Cliff come in. So there's very basic things that we can do in the repository, but because we work with a vendor, we really have to go through our IT team, Chris and the vendor at Atmire to really get some things done. We can do very basic things, but we really lean a little bit more in our IT to get some stuff done, then from back end things that coding and things that we don't have access to. CHARLIE BENNETT: So I have to confess, that when I hear DSpace, still, after 20 years of hearing about DSpace, I still picture a kind of science fictiony sort of environment. I'm still very much in a William Gibson novel when I hear DSpace. MARLEE GIVENS: It's the word, space, isn't it? CHARLIE BENNETT: Right. And it's DSpace, so what a dual dimensional space or something. But what's DSpace? Can you demystify DSpace for us? VANESA EVERS: Well, I used the term earlier, Digital Asset Management Program, so DAM. So it's a way to have information. And anybody, Fred or Alex, I know you guys work in DSpace too, but for me, I would just say it's a online scholarship research, archival archive, a way for you to be able to access information online, an open access platform. So I'd say that's a very basic way of looking at DSpace from the front end, is you should be able to go on a repository, search author, search a subject, and be able to find information that we've made available online. MARLEE GIVENS: How does the Georgia Tech community use DSpace, or use the repository? VANESA EVERS: Hmm. I'd say that's a little bit more of what my job has been looking like the last six months, is really thinking about outreach, and thinking about how to get more scholars and researchers to submit. So I'd say just making sure that their relationship is the things that they're publishing are online. And this is a way that we can help you guys advance in your careers, is by folks seeing that you've published through the repository online. ALEX MCGEE: Well, and I would say for the archives component, that how we use DSpace, when people imagine accessing a digital or digitized version of something, DSpace is where we send people to go get it. Now, we have our ArchivesSpace instance, which is where our description is, and we're now getting to a place where you can go to that finding aid, click the thing that's digitized or digital, and it'll take you to DSpace. But DSpace is still the public facing interface for our users to actually see this content that they're looking for that we have scanned or available. CHARLIE BENNETT: See, it's starting to sound like Neuromancer again. You go into DSpace, you click the thing. MARLEE GIVENS: ArchivesSpace, yeah. CHARLIE BENNETT: You got to have weapons in the-- FRED RASCOE: Wait until we roll out 4D space, four-dimensional space for the repository. ALEX MCGEE: For a second, I was like, is that real? No. CHARLIE BENNETT: Vanesa, do people, do they refuse to submit to the repository or do they just not that it's a tool for them? How's the outreach going, and are you running into obstacles? VANESA EVERS: I would say it's not a refusal. I would say it's people just not knowing. So I've made sure to go to the different departments to talk about, this is what we can do for you, this is how we can not just outreach for the repository, but how this tool could be used to talk about the research that you do. So I think it's just not knowing how easy it is to submit, not knowing maybe what open access is, thinking that's more difficult than it actually is. But I think that once I've kind of made a couple of rounds and made some cheat sheets on how to submit, I've had some of my library faculty members chat me and say, oh, my gosh, I'm so excited. I just submitted my first article. Let me know if I did anything wrong. But it's like, oh, no, as long as you have basic information. So it's just a matter of making sure that your research, you guys are doing a lot of research, making sure that we make it available in the repository. CHARLIE BENNETT: So you're a year in. VANESA EVERS: Mm-hmm. CHARLIE BENNETT: Is there anything that you are waiting to do? Is there a deeper layer to the job that hasn't come into play yet that you know you're going to start dealing with later? VANESA EVERS: Well, I'd say of a lot of the AI research, we've had a lot of requests for AI using the materials in the repository to train. So it's probably going to end up being a conversation that comes up in the future. But I will say, that when the last semester ended, it is a lot of outreach and it is a lot. We have the system, we have everything set up to be able to now talk about your research. Let's get more of it in. So I think that the outreach is going to be an ongoing thing. I'm working with our communications person, Jason, to make sure that we have a couple repository items in the newsletter that he sends out. And so that's an ongoing thing, and probably the AI conversation and how people can use the materials we have in the repository to train AI. And this is being done in classes. So we've had a couple of those requests come in that we've kind of paused right now until we can better figure out how to handle those requests. ALEX MCGEE: Obviously, I know with DSpace, we have had issues with folks using our instance for their training. So I guess, can we talk about balancing the future of AI with needing large sets of data like what we have in DSpace, but also, what has happened before with our DSpace instance, where it is essentially taken it down, because it's asking too much of the system. VANESA EVERS: Yeah. So we've been working a lot with IT. We've had a lot of bot traffic, and I'm not an IT person, an engineer, so I don't know a lot of the language around it. But basically, we've had to take our repository offline a little bit, which I go to a lot of conferences dealing with DSpace, a lot of online chats where folks are having the same issue with having to stop the traffic coming from certain areas, and it's just bots. Yeah, there's the balance that's needed, but that's definitely a collaboration between us and IT to see what's the best way. I know before break started, there's a really good conversation that happened that Cliff made IT aware of something that was happening, and I didn't read it too deeply. But a lot of things are going on that we are going to have to collaborate a little bit more with IT about, and see what's the next way to make sure that we're not blocking off people that are actually using this for really great reasons, and then folks that are just training bots on our materials. But that's really in the weeds, super technical conversation that I think that is going to come in the future and a collaboration across different departments. MARLEE GIVENS: I think people need to understand that we don't actually own the content that's in our repository, but you are stewarding work that other people have entrusted to you. Is that how you feel about it? VANESA EVERS: Yes. And people still own copyright information, all of that. People still own everything that is placed in the repository. That's correct. And stewardship, that's a really good word when thinking about how to use the repository. We're just helping to make it available. But at the end of the day, the researchers, students, scholars, have 100% access and control and ownership of their materials. MARLEE GIVENS: Well, Vanesa, thanks so much for joining us. It was really interesting to learn about what you do here. VANESA EVERS: Well, thank you so much. Marlee and Charlie, Fred and Alex. MARLEE GIVENS: This is Lost in the Stacks, and our show was called "Digging the Details." We were joined by Vanesa Evers, Georgia Tech's Institutional Repository Librarian. CHARLIE BENNETT: File this set under ZA4080.537. [AWAKENING, "GOTTA DO SOMETHIN'/MIGHT AS WELL CULTIVATE"] That was Gotta Do Somethin'/Might as Well Cultivate by Awakening, a song about thoughtful stewardship and growth. [MUSIC PLAYING] MARLEE GIVENS: Today's show was called "Digging the Details," and we have been listening to an interview with Georgia Tech's Institutional Repository Librarian, Vanesa Evers. These introduce yourself shows-- CHARLIE BENNETT: Right on. MARLEE GIVENS: Yeah. They always make me think about when I first came to Tech and all the things that I had to figure out. Like Vanesa talking about parking, which is not part of our job, but it can have a big effect on our workday. CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah. Either way, yeah. A good or bad effect. MARLEE GIVENS: Yeah, exactly, exactly. I still remember when I found out kind of randomly, that Georgia Tech offers a meal plan for faculty and staff, which is a small thing that has vastly improved my experience as an employee. Fred, has there been something like that for you? FRED RASCOE: The example that I think of, is at one point, I was assigned a working space. It was when the library was being renovated and we were in different buildings on campus. And I was assigned a working space that had a stand-up desk. And I had never thought about asking for one or getting one. And since I've had that, I've always used a stand-up desk in the stand-up mode. CHARLIE BENNETT: Nice. FRED RASCOE: Charlie? CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, mine's so boring, but it's all the pre-tax deductions. I felt like such an adult when I finally figured out that yeah, you pull from your payroll before tax on these things, you save money, save tax, rah, rah, rah. It's like, hey, Dad, you're going to be so happy when I tell you what I've learned. Cody, you've had a different experience at Tech than us as employees, but is there a small thing that clicked for you that made life at Tech better? CODY TURNER: Learning how to use a bus system was I remember the thing that I was trying to figure out, because I think get your 10,000 steps in before noon here. So I was always trying to figure out, how can I ride the bus and how can I minimize the amount of time I'm waiting on the bus. CHARLIE BENNETT: You're talking about the little shuttles, the Stinger? CODY TURNER: Well, there was the Stinger, there was the Stinger Red, there was the trolley. CHARLIE BENNETT: The Midnight Rambler. CODY TURNER: The Midnight Rambler. How is the bus system doing these days? Is it easier to use? CHARLIE BENNETT: Why don't you just roll the credits. [INDIA.ARIE, "STRENGTH, COURAGE & WISDOM"] CODY TURNER: Lost in the Stacks is a collaboration between WREK Atlanta and the Georgia Tech Library, written and produced by Alex McGee, Charlie Bennett, Fred Rascoe, and Marlee Givens. MARLEE GIVENS: And Cody Turner is our diligent board op. [CHUCKLING] CHARLIE BENNETT: Hey, Cody, you doing OK over there? FRED RASCOE: He made a face when Marlee said, diligent board op. CHARLIE BENNETT: He's a little unhappy about something. CODY TURNER: Yeah, you know, sometimes tracks play and sometimes other tracks play. Sometimes you hear a track more than once in a show. FRED RASCOE: Sounds great to me. CHARLIE BENNETT: This one's working out. Legal counsel and a remarkable stash of spreadsheet templates were provided by the Burrus Intellectual Property Law Group in Atlanta, Georgia. MARLEE GIVENS: Special thanks to Vanesa for being on the show, to everyone who takes care of our institutional repositories, and thanks, as always, to each and every one of you for listening. CHARLIE BENNETT: Our web page is library.gatech.edu/lostinthestacks, where you'll find our most recent episode, a link to our podcast feed, and a web form, if you want to get in touch with us. MARLEE GIVENS: Next week, we'll be hearing about open access from a researcher's perspective, unless this winter storm reaches its full potential. Then it will be a rerun. FRED RASCOE: All right, it's time for our last song today, and we're going to close with a request from our guest. We're getting a slight preview of it, I think. Vanesa requests this song, which is a reminder of the traits that we all need when jumping into new jobs, new projects, pretty much anything new in life. This is "Strength, Courage & Wisdom" by india.arie right here on Lost in the Stacks. Cody, you're doing great. Have a great weekend, everybody.