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>> This is a living history interview with Dr Richard Fuller employee at Georgia Tech from one thousand nine hundred eighty nine thousand nine hundred ninety three and ninety nine conducted by Marilyn summers on May first year two three. We are at that. Weidman center. I'm getting here and the second day here is Dr Tiller's night in general and his experience in georgia tech director Phil or I'm going to call you again because you know I said thank you.

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What a pleasure. It is to have you here back you know laughter. Thank you for a visit and that we could catch you at your story quite story. Now I want to know where it began and when it began. I was born in Columbus Ohio in November on the twenty four the November one thousand twenty four.

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My mother and father were both farm people from southern Ohio. Nobody in my family certainly never going to college. None of my brothers and sisters in fact I don't think I have a new anyone in the neighborhood when I was raised in Columbus which was called the bottoms.

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I don't believe anybody in that whole area ever went to college. And lo and behold in the middle of my senior year which I didn't attend high school very often the principal invited me believe that I had a great education really into a great education because my mother had an eighth grade education but she had taught school.

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And so consequently I was the youngest and I sat upon her knee and I remember this like it was yesterday truly the older you get the better you can recall that. Well if I distant past but don't remember what you had for but listen to. The. Kindergarten for example like you remember with the rugs they spread the rags.

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If we take a nap and that sort of thing and I went to the first grade and they had flipped charts with big brown pieces of paper. I am the Gingerbread Boy I am I am I am I can't read. I can I can I can well. I think as a result of that head start.

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That I was really a good student. Because the elementary school was a block from my house my junior high as we used to call them. Seven through nine was a block from my house and I made very good grades. I even took two and a half years of Latin my mother's request because she wanted me to be a doctor never met in my family would ever think of anybody becoming a doctor including me especially since I have too had two older sisters and a brother who was more like a brother than a brother could possibly be.

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I mean we were so close and yet. Yes. And daddy made me glad he came and when the Shortly after they were married they moved from a little farm area and outside of Iran Ohio which is on the Ohio River. And moved to Columbus and bought a house first thing he was got a job with the railroads doing.

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I forget what they were doing exactly but I think it was in the engine room before leaving them or something. They bought a little house in Columbus Ohio which still stands today a hundred years later almost on Hayden Avenue at the corner Hayden cable for seven hundred fifty dollars which they paid the debt off religiously during still in my youth I can remember.

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Well yes absolutely. And the depression of course was a terrible time for everybody and I think especially those people who were blue collar workers and. So that was you thinking. Aren't you. Are you free or where. Totally. Yes totally. We always had food because being fun people she can be a storage cabinet about the size of this wall and everything came from the farms to put it in cans.

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So I never ever went hungry and bums as I used to call them in those days I was a song how little I'm about a louis a bum again a loser you give me a handout to revive me again that was a depression song and they would come to the door.

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They're always at the back door and I will always have food for them. Yeah. You know you know we didn't know but because I'm so they were buying a house and that had a certain status to it if you were living in a house that your parents were buying and that was and it was a wonderful house still stands.

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And I'm anxious to go up and see it once more before I go around supposed to go. It was wonderful and you were great. I didn't realize it until I thought about it. Leaders later and that's kind of the first of what I want this to be Georgia Tech story in the time stamp interest.

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OK so I was a good student and rounded out my act just relying on I didn't know it's very you. I think so. So you were going first. Answer one them and that was the only one I had and in high school that was never a thought ever never.

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But I can prove this almost by doing this by saying. I made good grades never made a C. I don't think I ever always A's and B.'s. I went close to home and you know I was a block away elementary same way but I went downtown to Central High School in the metropolis of Columbus and I got it down and all this is what they did.

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They had a north south and east and a West High School. Plus another of Catholic school called Aquinas and sometimes and not practicing Catholics they would all come to Central. So here I was in this great settlement prop US High School in downtown Columbus about a mile from more from my home and lo and behold I was free but I didn't I didn't realize it's time and I was always interested in sports because that's was my my brother played sports and I love sports and I was Bat Boy and clubhouse boy for the Columbus red birds as a young teenager and I thought that I might as well I got that and I played junior high was OK but I got down to high school and I found out.

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I could not even make a stagger out of the box of the junior varsity team because of this. How do I. Yeah. Land. God gave me a talent and I was an outstanding pool player of all things. My mother didn't know that my dad and I want to know that I was a God gave me a talent to be put in my putting stroke.

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As I don't have a ladder and I won't go into details about being a pool player but I was one of quite a pool player. And they had a magnificent pool room in the bottom of the finest hotel in Columbus which was only a short walk from Central High School to the little house it was crowned and they had a magnificent billiard room and I would cut school and talk to X. right.

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Yes So I was over there. Most of the time and it got like you think that in my first semester at Central High School I had the same thing in academic type subjects and I remember for tickly geometry. I took tenth grade geometry and I made the the first semester.

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I did and I never had a study much I remember that because I never did. That I took that again a second semester of the same thing. The second time by the first semester was OK and they'd be going to take it again and I think. So I took it again and I failed.

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And then whoever the Raz said you're not going to take it again. I'm going to put you in Practical Arithmetic So I mean my high school I had that you know in my you were brought down I had one semester of tenth grade geometry and one semester of practical arithmetic and then.

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About that time the war started this was one nine hundred forty one on talking about. And for me when Pearl Harbor was bombed and about half the guys in my class did what the principal invited me to do to leave and join the service. And I was the youngest remember and I commend my mother and dad taking me to the train station after the we left that we agreed to let me join the service and I don't think I've seen more than one sailor in my entire life because they're like lemon so I joined the Navy seventeen with another kid from my neighborhood whom I knew well whose name was Paul Jones and I told him as I learned from boot camp.

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John Paul Jones I said JONES You ought to be coming in the with a name like that. See what it turns out he got a bad conduct discharge and I think thirty three. Kicked out of the navy later to have serve some time in Ohio State's pen and I.

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And. And I kept telling him we got to do what they tell us to do and all going to get in trouble. Well I tried and I learned a lesson I did what they told me to do it was OK. Absolutely yeah. Really and truly and and I never got any opportunity and I like the Navy.

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I mean I didn't like boot camp because it was tough. You know and and that then it didn't pay in Pensacola which is a big home of naval aviation you know and they had some outlying fields and I was a young sailor seventeen I'd nest cooked in the you know sort of the food and wash the dishes and the compartment cleaning as a seventeen year old and then they sent me to an outlying field called Bronson field which is one of the outlying fields of the big Naval Air Station in Pensacola.

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And I became what was known as a radio on the Stryker I was going to they put me in a Radio Shack because they asked me what I'd done I said well I worked for an electrical company for a while just before I came and maybe I did I drove a truck for a neighbor who had a little electrical That is there when I'm there maybe a radio only and I became a second class radio which is kind of like a sergeant flying in the backseat of airplanes.

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And let him be hurled they would give me a little stick time when he got it airborne. And it can. I'd drag on this just a second because this changed my philosophy of life this in this particular experience. Two pilots one was Wakefield and another was named Art counts both incidents and there actually was a third which are primarily two of them and they get the airplane barn for the navigation hops out over the bring the chase and what cadets that rated graduate get their wings that for navigation that begin with a stick.

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You can fly at all during this nap pop and you couldn't landed to take it off one of them actually got the. Take a biplane they brought biplanes in to teach him that and what is called an inverted spin and you can't do it in certain kinds of airplanes.

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Well and be her. And then they say it was wanted to be there. We call it flight school if you're an enlisted man you go to flight class almost every guy I knew that had a half a brain. What to do was on that list and one day I came back on the flight and they said the personnel officer wants to see you.

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I went to the personnel office he said you know it was scheduled for a meeting in the captain's office at two o'clock this afternoon in dress blues. And I said. So yes sir. So I'd dress blues and I went up on the second floor of this with school squadron commander and the captain skipper the squad it was and there was a Marine.

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Said I don't know I was just there you can go in there I went in there and there was a table with the skipper sitting at that end whom I'd only seen casually and the personnel officer who was a lieutenant J.G. was sitting on the side and there were two other two Lieutenant sitting there and then I was that I was you know.

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Richard full report aborts or. So down. And the first thing the skipper said was I hear from some of our pilots that you can fly as good as some of these cadets about to graduate to this place I swear to god that is true and I thought I was in trouble.

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I thought my God And I thought maybe I got them in trouble and so we talked back and forth and they got me not only eighteen years old now and. And a little bit frightened because that's not you don't let people fly your airplanes. And finally he said.

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If you had adverse to pilot training could you graduate. Do you think i suggest or. Get. It if the person off he said the next set of orders that come through send this man your neck change my life. Got I found out not to pilot training and I just replied I could learn I didn't know I could learn at that time.

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Anyway I didn't. Did it. Yes I became an enlisted pilot. They don't have any more say. Someone. Doing anything that would come. And you have it you have to understand about if you're an enlisted pilot can you gentlemen understand a sailor with Wayne who can actually fly an airplane they know nobody hardly knew this including a lot of people in the Navy and I remember landing and air for Army Air Corps.

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They said Texas. I took off my white hat which I used to keep hold of my pocketbook and often I put it put on the Gunsight jumped up in the SO I mean God that brought many says what you do could stir this ice and kind of on the pilot.

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I read a lot of stories about being an insular with wings and you were next to God this planet in the eyes of the enlisted men because that's a special breed only a few of us were when I got recommended for Commission right at the end of the war.

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Can you believe that. And my best friend who was an sort of first class aviation pilot named Pepe Pereira is said to me ****. When I want to take a commission don't take a commission. We'll stick together we'll make chief and then for the rest of our allies.

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We'll have the Navy by the years and I cleaned that up quite a bit. Yeah. Pappy put it as was my lifelong friend and he died a few years ago Little known as a pet who have just got married I said I just got married I said and I have players in the Navy so they're going to pay me.

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Lieutenant J.G. pay which was one hundred fifty bucks a month and I said I got to take this commission temporary commission. Later not too long wait or I've applied for regular navy because I want to stay and the minister when they want to let you out when the war ended I said Mom.

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I'm going to try to stay and I'm going to be flying airplanes they're going to pay me and I'm I got a phone for nothing. A fading just let me have and yes I love the wealth happy as he didn't. I don't think I ever got recommended truthfully because he just didn't he didn't but I happened to get.

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I want to carrier now based in San Diego about ten years after that commission I was a lieutenant in the Navy I get a call from were anchored and we were to. Up to Dr Sandy a going to get a call this as a lieutenant you have a call on the quarterdeck I come down and I think you said this is Pappy he said I got a problem.

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I said when I was a tap. He says you have an idea when to get a crew cut twopenny we caught a path because he was twenty six or eight years old at the pilot when it was bad and I said what happened he said I guess maybe that's And I said yes.

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Stick with me read the chief you know. Anyway he sees now that a lifelong friend but it's a good story because it did change my life. How many years almost I was in the one nine hundred forty two to one nine hundred seventy one. I can detect for you.

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I had a career turned career actually. Now this is merit and I would I want this to be history but not me but that's almost So in a related. So I made regular navy and they had a program called the Holloway program in the Navy if you had no college they would have if you had some college but no degree.

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It was called the Holloway program named after Admiral holiday Holloway rather excuse me who was Chief of Naval Personnel he started this program because there were some transfers from reserves and so forth. The director in the Navy. They sent a theory that if you were already an officer you should know the Naval aspect of what they learned at the Naval Academy.

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But if you had no college you need a couple of years of college to become so educationally refined that you can deal with you know with other authors were going every day and they pay and it was a called a five time program two years maximum is what they would give you.

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And so they're right. I did and I'm now a little Lieutenant J.G. and I keep thinking what am I going to get my over Soko to school. Well and be home when I was a lieutenant in about one thousand the mid thirty's I finally get orders to go to college and guess what they sent me to Ohio State University and it didn't dawn on me at the time as to why they sent me there and why do you think they sent me there.

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Because with my high school grades. That was the only university in the country that would have me I promise. And I have the they can have. I surely would have been right if I flash up there was a school transcripts which I still have that I said he does not stand for.

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Actually that was a really great. So there's some of the highest state I've never seen a college catalog. My kids love this but I had to check in with the C. unit there because for administration but all I had to do was go to college in civilian clothes and fly an airplane three or four or six hours a month.

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Whatever it was at the local and they were great and I had left I'd let two years of college they're going to pay my way. Well and they said going to see an assistant dean and I didn't know what that was at the time of course and he said What do you want to do I said I want to major and physical education because I want to be a coach high school coach when I leave the navy.

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I want to coach basketball baseball and maybe golf and. And then I said the Navy said I can't do that. He says I understand that you had a major in science and I said What is that. He said you know physics and chemistry and math. Do you have a math I had my athletic A Say I said at the right I said I'm going to try my best go to degree by I'm here and I want to try to make straight A's to which he replied.

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You might make it was but there's no way possible that you're going to get a degree from Ohio State in two years as an incoming freshman when I graduated with honors. Then it turned out to be educational science that's not very educated better a science an education with a science major that that makes sense to you.

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So I tell you what I think they're going to what happened. I know I'd get a schedule suppose to make out I want to go back to my advisor who is a Dr Richards and he said he said to him and everybody I could fill in this is no you have twenty six or twenty four hours or twenty whatever it was they said no we can't do that you can take that many hours to start with.

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And I think you know what happened. He said I tell you what I want to prove twenty hours but you come see me at the end of the semester. We'll make a decision about whether we're going to cut that down enough but I think I made I made five days in the end of the.

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So from then on he said you schedule it and I've been at the system that I haven't actually gone all over the country in many ways how to make straight A's in college and I can she knows he knows all about this company pension I'm sure you know because success in anything is a function the two things and it's a little K. constant the two variables this and this gets them guts or you know.

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And that's true. Discipline discipline. Yeah absolutely. There is no OK. No no no no no no no no no I didn't ask my wife when I when I came home from class. I had sent her I bet a soundproof room in the basement and she would she was not old enough to know that she was a child.

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Nobody should have a death in the family when I went into that room at six in the evening. That was you. That's right. And that's how I developed this little three before five card system and it was Duck Soup go back to you. I got married now got I got married.

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Yeah get married. Jean Stanley who lived on bread plain and was born when I was a dirt road and you know you know us so I met at the U.S.O. now I have to say it was I went to the U.S.O. in Pensacola because I think so yes I must have I was you have at the time you got to you were you know yes with two kids you know they were Susan and.

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Richard another Richard. Who's now known as Rick of course. Says it was you understand that. You graduated years. You know I loved it because you know what happened. They were they had a nice big write up the prince was name was M's while who invited me to leave which I was happy to have had a nice big write up in the Columbus Dispatch and my brothers I've been.

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Saying you got to get out of city to Mr while or I said let him read it in the paper that's OK And you know I tell you another sequel to this story about a Georgia Tech graduate whose name is Larry Dean. Probably one of the wealthiest graduates of tech you know Larry the dean dams up north.

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Yeah he and I became great friends over our philosophy of education and he wrote a book entitled A T. success testing. If I had taken the S.A.T.'s when I left Central High School I guarantee it. I might have made. I might have made six hundred on the verbal.

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Math and on that nothing zero zero. That's right. It's it's you know and you know to be you know you were OK and then I asked him what had essayed had and I ended up because of those grades I suppose a high I said I'm not the pacific going to see duty to what I get a message from you.

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Person as I do for shore duty. Would you like to go to California for a for a graduate program are. More free education. So I had done so they sent me to Monterey California which has a reputation of being the toughest grad school in the country because it's military.

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And they are they are pretty strict but it was also rather easy. Because I bought a house at Pebble Beach and being an avid golfer you would not believe it but because of what I did at Ohio State and this little system that I seem to have developed.

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I played golf two or three days a week minimum on it's going to grad school and then from there. Guess where they sent me. They sent me to the Naval Academy to write a majors program because the Navy in all its wisdom decided about one nine hundred fifty six or seven that all naval officers did not need to be engineers a great revelation.

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Yeah graduate top what. At the top of my class yet Masters of Science in management and management have whatever that is I never have thought about what that means yet when I meant they were then you know. Yeah. And when I know I wanted it when the Naval Academy.

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I wrote up majors program supposedly because midshipman going to be able to opt for certificates in certain fields and I happened to be the one selected to do this management thing. So yeah. When you start thinking. I knew I was going to stay in by the time I was twenty I had twenty one years and I love the Navy.

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I like every job I ever had flying or otherwise I love the Navy. It was just like yeah I loved it. Yeah. So it was like that right. You know it. Yeah it really yeah yeah right then he will tell you we moved thirty six times I think that's a little stretch but we moved to California about a dozen places you can't.

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Absolutely. Yeah sure. My time there years twenty years ago because I finished a Ph D. That's when I said I left if I know anything at all that he started with male University melon but then I couldn't I was transferred to the embassy in the know and they will add a Shiite there and I found that there were several Americans going to the oldest Catholic University in the Philippines come and settle come OS which was used during World War two to imprison the prisoners.

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So that's why so I went to I went to University of sand with the mosques for three years night and day Saturdays included and sometimes on Sunday of all things and. It was the top graduates of all the doctors and all the undergrads as well. It is but you're very much.

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So I don't know what do you think of it. C S A I guess it is what do you do about it. You have no idea I want to get a job because I know you think I'm actually going to. Preparation. Well and then I got a call from the detail in Washington when I was still in Manila.

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When you know what I want to go for an assignment because I told them at the time I'm going to retire. And they said we would like to have it. Call me back wanted me to be the Naval representative to the Army War College. I said No I am not that the New England I said I'd rather have something in the south and I got another call back saying how about being the Naval representative to the Army the Army the Air Force had a program that but I can't remember what it was a staff Kali's Armed Forces Staff College that's why I think what it was and I said no I can't go there either because a colonel that I knew and I didn't have the I had I had the embassy and he was a Medal of Honor winner and I didn't want to be within one hundred miles of him but finally ended up.

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With as exec of this our O.T.C. unit you're here. Yeah Georgia Tech class so that was your first. Yeah. So I was hired from the commander as a commander. And that was one of the reasons I retired because I was in the zone to get selected for Captain and they did not promote me so I said well I can't make admiral I'm going to get out if that's true.

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That's my supply was it George Tenet said you know I do was in Georgia. That's I know I never heard of. I don't think of such a view that you know Dr Dr Arthur Gene Hansen said it better than anyone could ever say it and I've heard him say it more than once he was text seven.

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I think seven because Dr but it was a he said there's a mystique about Georgia Tech which no one can explain that everyone associated with or seems to understand. And my daughter Kathy is the classic example of that because she did not want to come to Georgia Tech.

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But you guys remember that. This is the place. Joe got three dressed as though. I was still in whites and I had never met Joe gathered in my life but I've done a lot of curricular work I was kind of a representative on the curriculum committee and in fact that the Academy have totally We changed our O.T.C. curriculum they.

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And I was going to that the tale that I had was somewhat instrumental in. Rearranging the way they teach our O.T.C. that if the universities. But I got a call from some Mr Joe Gutteridge one day and he says I understand you're leaving the Navy and I said Yes I'm sure I am and I'm looking for a job he said would you like to talk with me about one.

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Now I'm a Ph D. and I tried to disguise my B. to the word no people could associate it with the Navy. But I all the good things and I had applied to about eight different in every major college ever University in Florida because I want to live in Florida.

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I got two interviews and both were for for were from community colleges in your Lando area both interviews the others never and no answering. One guy the dean says I'd like to hire you right now how you on the spot. This was in Orlando and I said Well go ahead.

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I need a job. I'm ready I'll be I'm going to go out on the thirty first of August in my last day and I need a job and I could come a little early. I can make those arrangements. He said when we can hire you because you don't have the acquired.

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I said what's the problem. He said We can't hide to teach a community college in Florida unless you've taught at least two years and secondary education in a public. I thought well that you have Yeah that's it yes. So anyway. I got to come jug and he says would you let him out suggests or so I want to talk to you have to know you know the guy three's land you gentlemen.

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Yeah. Deatherage lands one of the great guys ever in this job. ETHERIDGE last time I went in there was my uniform with a bunch of medals and one wings. He says that was born and raised in Norfolk Virginia and I was there all during World War two So you know what I think of the Navy of the military especially the Navy and.

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Back then I So do I know. Yes so I had a cup of coffee and we had a nice talk and. I went back to my little office and he didn't offer me anything he just it's really only tell me about the job he was interviewing me and I said Would you be I said let me I would like the job that I love Georgia Tech already.

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And I didn't think it was going to hire me but lo and behold he calls me says you what you want that job I said yes he had to go talk to the president at it and I don't know it's. The director of campus affairs but that's a foot in the doors when I told my wife.

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I want to be a professor. I don't want to be a foot in the door but this is it. And that now the story gets very interesting I think that was that was not that was. I got out August thirty first one thousand nine hundred seventy. But I started the work protect in June because a death Ridge.

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What do you call it Senate one nine hundred seventy. Ted It came in seventy two. He got that. OK OK OK so. Yeah. I was trying to I came I think but he came here from Virginia which the Norfolk story says that. Where he went to college. I'm not sure I did not want time but it's it's escaped me.

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That he was one of the most interesting nicest guys a very small man but just as outgoing as anyone could be. And his trademark was a martini in one hand and a cigarette in the other and I remember. To give up those cigarettes Joe. But that's Joe got three.

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And anyway. He was administrator and he was. What we would now call he would be known as the vice president for the institute relations or some such thing. He was the P.R. guy for Georgia Tech P.R.. And his office was in the administration building and that's where I was interviewed by him and yeah yeah everything he was at zero that even gets stuck and think now that it's his relationship.

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When he hired me. Last well on him now his wife's name was Evelyn. A wonderful lady and early on there was a meeting down at Brunswick that he wanted me to attend and he was going to attend it was a university system meeting down there of administrators and I said will find the four of us can go together.

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No he said we can't go together. He and I said. I'd be happy to drive. No no he says not that he says. Evelyn his wife will not travel on a freeway. I mean you mean she won't ride on a street driver. She won't travel. She will not ride on a freeway so I've stayed all the back roads.

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My poor old Joe I thought my God. Yeah. And so that's so they did they went down on their way and I went down the freeway and that was Joe but a wonderful guy and everybody loved him more dedicated to Georgia Tech as as dedicated as any alumnus has ever been and he and I loved him and when he died of a heart attack in fact let's say I want to say this right because I didn't want to do this to the best of my not he died while the president and.

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And what and most of the top members of Georgia in China. And I got a call through to him and I said Joe got through diet and news or something and what a shame. So yes seen and. Everybody loved him. Arthur Eugene. One of the nicest gentlemen academics has ever had.

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Without exception. And in news. Kind of leadership positions. Here. Harrison and here's. And this is what I think my career's my life at Georgia Tech was a result of strange happenings. I was hired as I said as director of campus affairs whatever that meant. Because Mr Guthrie said to me he said and I'd interview I remember this.

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Well. He says Can you write a commencement program and I said Mr Guthrie. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'll answer your question and I want to amplify and I said yes I can run the commencement program. I said I feel I can do anything I can teach anything I can do anything you just give me a chance.

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And if you don't like what I do you don't have to pay me for the first three or four months and any time you want me to leave. I'll walk away. No questions asked. I said I want this job. So I get the job and I'm in the a French building next to me is the director of publications was also a tech Grant whose name I'd have to be to rack my brain.

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If you let a couple years after him. I was right across from him. So it's now nineteen seventy. No it's seventy seventy one must be one hundred seventy once and it's in the month of February. And the campus police who are still the campus the famous campus cops you know that's another great story.

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I wish he was here but you reach you can read it. I'm sitting in a friend's building and I handle commencements with all the gallons and all the goods and so forth and boxes in there and I. There are these this campus security people say. My secretary was.

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A lady without it. Never never married one of Alice chest pain. She was in the outer office and I was in Iraq as and I hear this. Ten for ten four and I hear this guy say lady you have to evacuate this office right away right away she said my god what's wrong.

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We have a bomb threat. You have to leave this. So she got out of the building came into my office and he says. So you have to leave this office right away. We have said. Why we have a bomb threat. So who is going to search my office for the bomb.

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He said we are. OK What do I go. We go right outside ability just get out of the building right at the present So lo and behold here we are we have actually wait at a friend's building not a French what was a building right over. So once once one is that someone you know.

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Yeah OK. So we all standing there in threat and I say to my buddy who was running publications. I said you know if I wasn't witnessing. Witnessing this I would think we were at Agnes Scott rather than Georgia Tech. And this is why I said my God every everything these people are doing is wrong.

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I can't believe I'm watching what I'm see. He says like when I says everything they do is wrong. They've planned it. Captain common sense rules. And he says very dramatic. He comes out and he says we're all standing out there about fifteen or twenty of whatever the number was.

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For standing outside the building. And the captain in his security people come out and he says OK it's all safe to go back and now it's all clear all wonderful thank you all very much. So we all go back in. That and nothing about it until about four o'clock that afternoon decrement was his name he was somebody put every word he was giggling from them.

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I got a call from Joe Guthrie's office and Eleanor cane. Mr Guthrie's wants to see you over here. And I said Really. Yeah I went over what is it. He says. I understand you don't like the way they're handling the bomb threats. That's And I said I'll tell you what I saw I could only describe as a Chinese spy or a little with all due respect to the Chinese or so that's probably what I said.

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So I said what would they do us a job everything they did was wrong and so. Unknown to me he went straight to the president's office and he says Dr Hansen wants to see so you know then I thought. Dr Hansen said to me says. What did they do wrong and I said what I know who you are so I said no.

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For example. It can't pass and they can't ever say that we put the Navy's best search team in that building and they and thirty minutes I'm going to tell you that it's safe to go in if they think there's a bomb in there because they can detonate those things with R.F. any kind.

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They want you know that do as well as I do and I said first of all this. That was a no of that plan for that building. I mean it was just Helter Skelter The guy has a standing out in the front and sense of what's going to go up at eleven o'clock and they go off at random and.

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He says it's all clear. That's just he said and he said to me then said ****. He said let me tell you something. In all my time in academics this is the most significant problem I've ever had to confront. He says it is totally disrupted diskettes because I didn't know that because I'm my own little Mickey Mouse world commitments and other things I want to talk about commencements.

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And he said I said what if there's anything I can do to help us and what do you do he said he said one of the reasons insist I do it the way they told when I had the first one I called him and he told me what to do if you get a bomb threat you call us and evacuate the building now and I said let me tell you what I think and he says.

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What do you. Think. I says when the calls come. Don't let them come to you and the police they were all kind of the police know the security they wanted and had them. Call me. The police call me and I would take the cone and I would sign I don't know what I'll do but you'll be off the hook.

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You complain it whenever it happens. So the very first one came though in the meantime in the meantime I found out about the history I got the history the bomb threats guess what. Tuesdays and Thursdays were lab day. And Fridays there was the day before the weekend and I guess the fourth guess when they went all fourteen of them.

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Yeah me and you didn't have to be a genius to figure this out. So the next one that went I get notified there's a bomb in the physics department it was right. During the finals right during final exam as I remember terms one of the other I forget which and I went to the professor and got him aside and I said.

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That I'm going to handle a bomb threat I said that if it's OK with you I'm going to interrupt your class and. So I did this I can get up and out on the stage as a Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen stop the test stop the test. Let me tell you what I want you to do.

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You're in a wonderful building here new building matter of fact concrete block all throughout hallways are there all safe everything is safe and it's not in. Someone has reported a bomb threat. Now here's what I want you to do I want you to look around and if you see anything around you that you don't recognize.

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Tell me if you see anything. Now first of all if anybody wants to leave. You're welcome to leave if you're so if terminated by this bomb threat but I'll tell you that you are safe in this building as you will be as long as that thing is not in here and I don't think there is one anyway whatever I said one or two girls left to get out of taking that exam maybe I don't.

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And then I told those who stayed and I said if if you all leave show you the professor whatever his name was. Well make the nest next plan exam just as easy as this one for you guys but I would encourage you to stay and complete what you started so that was it.

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And I didn't have a couple of times when we didn't have work and then we didn't have and guess what happened then it was the chancellor says well you must be handing them in the right way. We're having another schools. Sendek around to tell him how to do it.

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So I went to I let the Milledgeville. Yeah that's so that's how I got my job is clear you think Dr I thought it was the most wonderful guy I've ever known in fact I came came with and had I not just finished a house on the golf course with a promise to my family that I built our permanent home on the golf course would a swimming pool.

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Coming up. That we would never move again I would have gone with him because he asked me to go with him and he says I said What would you like me to do Mr prayers he said call yourself anything you want. So help me goodness. And he said don't worry about the salary our hands.

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He actually did two years it was here he'd been dean of engineering and then became president and families for what turned out to be he called me over one morning I think was on a Monday and Monday morning and said that he set a minimum mind to go to Purdue and he said I want you to go with me.

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And that's what he told me only it's only let you went to Purdue is President produce you know but. His wife had been on the faculty at Georgia State. And so it was a professional wife married to a professional man and the president's wives need to assimilate themselves within the duties that the president as everybody that had like the parents did I mean this is pet it was as you know and it's a team effort and I was offered the presidency of a couple of colleges over the years and that my wife understands it fully.

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But I'm so happy Georgia Tech so help me I would never leave here. You know he was wonderful want to be very sad because I thought they could never replace him and in comes Dr Pettit too who is totally different totally different. Wonderful art day in the students love them and now live in different.

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Enhancing that to produce winter do our part hang our heads outward and here he was unable to Canada graduate but he hid then I do know he may have come here from as that may be I think that's right that I didn't realize that I didn't know that I didn't realize it.

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He just said yeah. How do you not that was a little renowned name. So you did feel bad about going Yeah. Mr What do you think about that. I mean well stand here and I didn't know him let me think of his name Dr James Boyd was sent by the readers to be the acting president.

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Because that's a prolonged six months minimum to get a new president. And life is somewhat happenstance as well as planning. Because Dr Boyd I was doing some things for him I was in it. An official capacity and still putting together a safety program. As a result of that experience with a bomb threats and it's changing.

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Well there was another. The campus security had all beat up trucks and were right in the middle of downtown Atlanta with tech with homes there a lot of theft a lot of I didn't just say we were in had to meet with all I had to be with all the students I had so many student all students meetings on two things parking and what we're going to do with the campus police and didn't like that.

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But I said let me tell you we're going to get black and white vehicles and we're going to have fully trained police officers on this campus to keep these crooks off so we can think that's right. And then and begin on a stupid like that and we're up in arms about somebody kept talking to him in a mass in mass and so forth.

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It's fine. It came in they agreed. And then we had. Streakers you know and that was and that's another great story. But what I want that we we got Dr King and how long it takes. Dr annoyance happenstance. Dr Boyd said. It was a what he's a wonderful man of the president of the West Georgia and west georgia and if you had retired and they brought him down here to be acting president and.

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He said Dr Pettit I just talked to him on the phone and he would like to meet with you are you going to be here on Tuesday whatever that I said Yes sir. To my office was right there in a kind of ability. So Genest guys and brings in coffee and shut the door and the first thing Dr Pettit said than it was ****.

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He said we've met before and I remember thinking God how to be my line. DOCTOR pet I the pleasure of meeting you before the members are you know my wife said I did remember him he said you might remember the occasion he said I was with a three other scientists and we were doing a tour of the Orient.

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And we spent had wonderful evening at dinner at the investors home and you were my dinner partner and I remember he was in civilian clothes and I and I remember. The dinner party and that then I did seven recollection of him because maybe things usually look all very unusual looking at that you remember my wife came home I told my wife about it and she said He says MacI remember she's so I remember you telling me about that but then he says to me you know I just came from stammering I remember now this is one thousand nine hundred sixty nine Stanford University campus riots burned the computer abilities they are all D.C. ability to do all of that campus dollar should have been.

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Kent State not just terrible times but he came here from Stanford where they had more than their share. You know. And here's a guy from the Navy who was already at Georgia Tech and must know something about the history of it. I've been through two years and I don't know.

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What Hanssen may have told them because they had a lot of communication between Dr Hansen and Pettit they were both being engineers and so forth. And I'm sure that some recommendations I don't know how it happened but he says I want you to I would like to have you worked directly for me.

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So he gave me free reign free reign anything you want to do you fix the problems they had no safety whatsoever no good no laboratory safety. It was a neglect that is General Jamie Anthony was director safety and you know a business wonderful man but. Well the first thing I did was.

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Getting captured in the last line is he didn't like me. I give an example. Didn't used to say which one of the security guards tonight has a silver bullet. In them. They don't have one ball they have to fire the fight. Laurie Fine. That's right. George Captain Coppinger after about a month of me.

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Also carried weapons. He was I suspect it's not how I stopped I stopped the officer on the hill at that kind of thirty eight when I had six rounds and it was it was the last time he fired your weapon and security guards and I never fired one which they live here and I ask another one the same question says I've never shot a gun.

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So we had a marine down at the O T C N A. By the name of Sergeant. Master Sergeant Morningstar I so when I tell you what kept got me here. We have the Marines on the ATI scene and I've already made arrangements I want you to go.

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We have a. Win to give these officers firing lessons and he's going to do the teaching something he didn't like me saying yeah. But anyway he left and so I was rather attracted to a young a middle aged guy by the majority gardener and so cop and generally and in those days you could do it.

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I called George up and he I was really impressed with him and I spent a lot of time. And of those guys. It's eventually No no no he was a different George Gardner And I said Rule number one what we're going to do is present going to be free reign to do what has to be done and I want every officer down there to go through and become a qualified certified police officer for the state he's OK So can you handle that.

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Yes sir. And it will get started because you're going to be the new chief. OK So that's going on. He's going to more train. A little sequel to that is. I call down to six put a special number on campus wide twenty five hundred is that still twenty five hundred I said we publicized that you got any problem any coast good you got a problem call twenty five hundred you can't get you down at night call twenty five hundred We'll pick you up and take YOU WANT YOU TO BE SAFE save save save save they started develop the West Point.

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He's got Quest cams. Lo and behold I call it. George lines to talk to Joyce I dialed a digit I do my own dial the geniality I down my own numbers and it. She says campus security. Please hold this is elated then running that place with Carpenter. Whatever name was arrested.

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So I'm sure. Finally she comes back. She says campus police campus security. I said this is a **** for I said I just want to report to you that the administration buildings on fire. The president has been assassinated and let me speak with the Chief please. Because they think I made a I made a point there that I said George get up here.

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So I said up pleading that's the thing again easy answer. Right. And yeah I didn't come to Sandy. Yeah it was after I got here in the student as I say they didn't they didn't they didn't come to the idea but parking tickets for example warning tickets you guys know what warning tickets are you're going to learn get five hundred warning tickets for a campus when we have a Clyde Robbins and Janice Gazan what.

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The University of Georgia to design the Georgia Tech campus program over going to pay for parking. That's what it was the first time ever going to pay for parking. They were services. My God The Dr Pettit said to me one day after year that teams implementation of this parking program he said take I hate to do this to you but you got to run the parking program.

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I said I'll do it if you go tell Dr Robins that he's out of it at TELL Janice G.'s out of it he says I've already done it. So it's a company no signs no yellow paint on the curbs as to where they could could park illegally. What do you think it is today because it's always always.

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I had them all together. I said let me tell you people something even though you pay for this or we need a place to park you pay for a hunting license. You want to get a place to park come a six in the morning. LIKE I DO YOU WANT TO problem parking it when I let that I love that we have the technology and you know buy a hunting license if you like look at us and yeah you could.

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Yeah they're there they're in the area they're in there is more about Clyde Robinson the time for me he was a brick. MAN Yeah. Security smart guy kinds of very bright guy very bright just a penny came to check the first president and interest research all full of different perspectives.

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To the best of my knowledge that there was not and there may have been one or two or several. Unknown to me but to the best of my knowledge there was no sponsored research being done in the engineering college by their professors was wonderful and Dr Pettit spent a great deal of his early life trying to convince the people that research is YOUR he would get this answer quick question Joe want you spending too much money on research these days and he would try to explain the inner synergism between attracting great faculty because faculty only go where they can do research the teaching is done for the most part by students you know and.

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They didn't like that then we need that who here it is that is this. Heritage that you are and I say it this way. But what Joe Pettit did for academics at Georgia Tech and fourteen years could not have been done the way he did that by anyone other than him.

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I do not believe for a minute. I think it would been business as usual because he told me right on the first day. He says you see this stack. He says I have got to spend the first year or two he said it's going to be very difficult to make changes but the reason I accepted this position was because there is not an another technical university in the country.

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Positioned at the way Georgia Tech is positioned to move to the next better level of education and research that would seek to tell all. Yes many and nobody did it. Nobody did it and we had a lot of really kind of faculty it didn't work everywhere. We had a guy that used to what when I came in but I could walk around campus with this little hat with the thing keeping up the cosmos.

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No you know what this cloak and it took me and Georgia and that's why I came here what the when I came here I owe you a Georgia Tech and like I got this is my second believe these people think this place is a bastion of knowledge and education yet because there is a case in fact he did the research you know why they got the reputation and my view because they are Southern people.

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Well disciplined their families are innocent of education and they're going to be successful and I'm telling these guys that that group of people would be successful. No matter where they went our moms were going out and running the world always absolutely. You're not running Georgia on over there and they were going making a name.

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So we knew they were giving basically has been critical and technical but in a strange sort of way but they were kind of dragging it was almost in spite of was almost apply it was almost all applied it was no a lot of I mean he brought there wasn't that intelligent and he had heard such a high percentage of tenured faculty.

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To it because you come to Georgia Tech you just pay your dues and you get tenure and that's about the way it was and. So he changed. He changed it but it took a long time he he spent more time the first year or two on two things fundraising of which he was a wizard and in a very soft way.

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Promotion and tenure decisions he looked at those dozy a zillion burn in Crawford he would call a man and say Byrne and I let's go get one and Vernon was the most wonderful man I've ever known him without except he was the best of all the best but he was such a nice guy having me.

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Was Dean of physics and I'm going to never hurt anybody. You know and so everybody of them. The good old Georgia Tech no way. Not with Dr Pettit in BURN BURN IT would recommend him for one of the two and it's a Vernon. I've got the separate stack you know we're going to talk at length about this doctor ****.

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Yeah we're going to really. And in fourteen years it's it's remarkable how I mean I thought I told him what I should pay you to be watching this in other words meaning to pen it building and research but it was not sufficient. And in fact you know what happened was.

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My gosh. In fact it and then up to the alumni and the foundation board at that time they would have named everything on this campus after he I mean he had that respect but that goodness they didn't because Georgia Tech is going to go for another couple hundred years.

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We hope that it was a significant thing that he came became the perfect timing for everything and he was. He was unusual looking and he was overtly friendly. And yet somehow find time to be involved in everything that I've been here telling me that he would come they thought he was anti athletics of all things and yet he would come after the games this season plays from and point of view he was tense not the time you know the first step at a board meeting he attended.

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But you stand in the Carnegie building where they had the upstairs conference room which was taken out not them. And I don't know of any where they had an upstairs conference room yet and that's where the athletic board met when the members was Mr Robert Probert who was former Secretary of Bush and Bush to push master general the country any Yank TERRY Yeah right.

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And yeah yeah yeah. But they met up there and after the first meeting John O'Neill who was a business and business no good old John. And he was making a report to the board as he did that every meeting monthly. After he says Gentleman right gentlemen he said we could fill every seat in Grant field and we would still go to we're still headed for bankruptcy.

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And Dr Pettit with his computers. Afterwards he said. You know it isn't very comforting to be chairman of the board of a corporation has for bankruptcy is it. I said that really did. And so many many of them funny story Tia's Yeah he's a good guy you know he had a tragedy this family to have a son that's been this story Think actor.

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No they didn't get along conductor but it didn't that he thought he was. And Bobby died as much as I love Bobby died and everybody loved Bobby died he wasn't a manager he wasn't you know they have like was a kind of minute it was just floating along floating along after learning along and it was a young lady and a good business man.

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And I live I love Bobby died and did a lot of speaking trips with him and he had been one of the greatest first thank thank you think logically establish your relationships with young man in the air universe but he planning to manage your money so you know he called me when they and I you know he's great fisherman I mean he had more largest bass I've ever caught is a five pound bass out of Jacksonville water of mine the Okla My kind of five pound log now I said Bob you want to see how many large mouth bass of you cut he said over ten pounds it's a ****.

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I've got so many bats that weigh over ten lb I could begin to. Remember. And then he calls me one day he had two and it's mounted to big desk fourteen pounders I think they were they got to fish every pond in South Florida stocked with nothing but man everything but an interesting story about Bobby.

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Then Mr Callaway fuller Callaway. By we came up to me one day he says that I need a favor. He said you're really close friends with Gene got me. I said I hope I am I saved his son from disaster. His son was kicked out of tech twice for academics and I got him back and I sat him down and you know what happened and George your sister.

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Damn right and you and I got it back. I said I want it is going to be the rules you going to get back and this is on Fridays and you go back and you come back and see me on Monday and if you're not one hundred percent dedicated this George just go do your thing but I said if you don't come back and do what you're supposed you're going to regret it.

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The rest of your life but he became my first little charge and it's another job. Guthrie's related story. But let me get back again. I know King it's OK. He says. Mr Gwaltney and Mr Callaway are lifelong friends as are close by. I said yes that's true. He said would do me would you do some point me.

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Would you call Mr Gwaltney and ask him if he would call Mr Callaway see people let me fish and that wonderful lake of his at Le Grange. I said Bobby. My guy you call and you call him. He says no no no I can't do that. I said he would be delighted for you to call him.

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Now what happened. I managed to. Yeah I mean God of all people. What did I owe I made it on the arrangements were made for Bobby died to fish for Callaway is wonderful. They moved the river the Chattahoochee River was moved so it what it was redone. So as not to disturb the sixty to sixty acre lake that so influential the skandha.

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Pretty Halloway gardens later you're too late to want to. Research annual meeting and my wife was there and she talked to Mr Callaway and I got to know him quite well I wish I'd kept everything he wrote me my last name was followed his first name was former.

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And when Dr Pettit was not there at the foundation's monthly meeting I did a report and political Tell me one day says Well Dickie said you know. You can tell us more in ten minutes than at present to tell us that thirty minutes. I don't really believe that Mr Galloway that's a a.

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Another story about Mr Callaway as I said he was divest in his worldwide holdings this as a do at Georgia Tech. I said to him. Some months later I said how's your divestiture business coming he said well he said I've divested all of them except one is that I'm going to hold onto it for sentimental reasons.

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And he said we're talking about replacement data on how to calculate when you replace trucks. You know quantitative analysis in the incision making for replacements and somehow he says you know that reminds me of the first we delivered our product in Brazil. By ox cart. And he in that later on I said What did you keep.

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He said You remember I told you once about. I had a little business venture down in Brazil. And he said decided to keep that percent a mineral reason ston Stayton you know that name here and his brother who is dead now. And I can remember his name. I don't know his name but he and fuller Callaway started this venture down in Brazil and he decided to keep that percent and then all reasons and to the best of my now he so help me.

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It was a Coca-Cola distributorship then you would like to have the Coca-Cola distributorship for Brazil. And he was a big benefactor to George and. That just so happened that's right. They stuck in that something fuller Calloway. Did more for this campus than most anybody else. His son. These young gentlemen aren't old enough to remember in with Bergman and all the movie.

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Actress. Callaway son was married to her daughter. Yeah and he committed suicide. You know. Not about not. Maybe there may have been. But he was he was in a fraternity over you know in the attorney room one. But wonderful man the most detailed man ever known was former Callaway.

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**** commencement. That's what you were brought here. You wanted commencement. Tell me what can Mr. Well. They remember I mentioned Mr Guthrie's asked me if I could run a commencement program to which I gave him that rather self serving remark that all you can do anything. Thank you.

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Whenever you wish out. Mr Guthrie said OK it was now June Georgia Tech had always had one commencement a year until one thousand nine hundred seventy. And that's why I ended up getting hired as it turned out that Joe got through it was condensed and I could run a commencement program and then he would give me the job so he evidently had gone to Dr Hansen and said that this guy says you can run a commencement because Georgia Tech and now we're going to go to for commencement so Year Zero summer at the end of the summer winner.

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Fall and of course to do brain. So he says just what I was Joe got traces of what I want you to do he says of over the Fox Theater which is where Georgia Tech had its commencements every year since the fox had gone with the wind. I guess.

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And there was a woman's name who is I don't remember her name. I call him Mrs Johnson or whatever. He says and tell her who you are. I've only let let the message of coming over the second into whatever it wants. I want to and I met with this lady.

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And I'm She's explaining to me how they hold commencement exercises there and. Looking all over the facade beautiful place. My God you can be any more beautiful than the Fox Theater. And I thought wow you know to take it off campus. That doesn't. I don't like that didn't set right with me because if we're having change of commands in the Navy.

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We do it right on our own territory. And also at that time I have an idea I want to try to convince the students they need to stay on the campus we're going to make this thing so save some day that you don't want to venture out when I have everything you want here.

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One of these days. So anyway. I go to meet with her. And it was and I think we paid about two thousand dollars or more pain Fox but it privileges. So I went down and took a look at the Coliseum. And I got up in his chair section and I'm looking at that tunnel across they're going to have a pad.

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And I can and I knew that old Jim what they called the old gym was up there and I first went there and I thought God this would be a great place to line up the candidates. And then I can see him coming through that tunnel. They come to that time when they go around like this and the stage is down there and then he only and the Bachelor's.

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And the Master's and finally the doctorates and I can see that procession and the faculty is sitting up on the stage there and it's green greens here in the arena that tell you that this is true and I sketched that thing out. So I went back to Joe I went back to Joe Guthrie Jim and I said I think the Coliseum a great place for a commencement.

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He said I better talk to the president about that. Dr Hansen called me over and he said. But this about. Now remember it's going to be September it's going to be hot and he said. He said I say I want to hold a commencement not in the Fox But at the Coliseum.

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I said Yes sir I said I could really design one where there's no limit to the guests they can have as opposed to where are they going to get four six tickets for the facts. It's not going to cost us anything. And I can see that ceremony so nice for the spectators that he said but I'm going to tell you it's going to be one hundred degrees in there.

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I said well I've already had the physical plant. They have great big blowers in there and I used them to I had a took two consecutive days as I remember turning to in the morning and running. And at nine o'clock in the morning the temperature was around seventy two or something.

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I mean you know and then how many people in it but still so I think I found it can this and let's try just he said OK I will tell you what. You can try one commencement in the Coliseum. If I get one complaint from one faculty member and we're back to the fox in the in a winner.

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And I followed him all along. And I well I guess we've been there ever since. And when John Colbert took my job. He took the very little circular thing and written. And it's still there today. I don't very happy when the cows became air conditioned. Yes I can imagine.

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Actually I could see him up there with the circle that yeah it was happy day when he came but another thing that with a pet it's wanted Stanford they make a ceremony and a recess the reception could be right. The president's Glade which we moved to the president's house he could meet the parents and it was so many advantages don't curse and yes absolutely.

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And this story. The facts graduations were pretty great. You know they were Yeah they're not they're like doing. But expensive and inconvenient and parking them you know just what Yeah that's right. And we've grown. You know we when I came in I think we're only about six thousand six seven thousand students sixteen and you know their home and it was hard for me and many you can't man got his commission and.

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It's like you know the crime when I talk about it. You know to have you know again and then historical place to so that stands out your mind that was what Yeah I think it's a good thing. Next. What was happening in the mid seventy's here at Georgia Tech when changes were taking.

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Another thing Dr Pettit said one of the sort of Staff me he said I've looked through all the administrative literature here he said but there's no organization chart of this place and Jim Doyle who was a being a student spoke up he says no one can draw an organization but this place.

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We don't I remember him saying that saying. So I said to him after the meanest and. You want me to take a chance and take a shot at that he said yeah I do that. What fun it would you know when I do an organization trying to do a separate the Engineering Experiment Station from the academic and it was me it was pretty much all it was you know I knew that was that first right.

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The research was headed up by a president of all things who sat on the campus in the Carnegie building and Dr Pettit said to me when they says. You know I think having one president at a scam assistant this is don't you. I suggest is that I'm going to go over next door and I would have a little talk with that he had already laid some groundwork.

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But some people in the maybe I'm not sure Mr Khalili was or they were reluctant to give up that Tyler president of the Georgia Tech. I think was the Georgia Tech Research Institute and the Engineering Experiment Station which where all the applied was done and somehow I can't remember the sequence of which now that's become G T R I.

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Has it not been here. But yeah but board and write in it and I'm much easier to manage. Now they share this and again over there the confusion is first that you have are really there and they all live in their own little world you know most of those guys are all very you know there's a story going around that the Olympics came and when some of those scientists never even knew if i'm glad you mentioned the Olympics.

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You know why the Olympics and how the Olympics came to Atlanta. Well we've got my stories about that and I can tell you when we do. I mean Dr resigned that and it just seems Andrew Young. Billy Payne of course and that reasons were raised. Now let's say now.

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OK Let's talk some more about Dr Pettit you became very good and he was very easy for you to work for more like a younger but remember Brother I think I thought he would never die. So help me. I thought he would never die for you. Thirty two no cavity teeth.

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Then. So you're old enough to be a blood of I guess what he said to me when I we always attended the. If you can if you want to not see a football game. Don't sit in a president's body have to you know its eyes wide to be because he in point said when attained in a week we did all those things to make it really beautifully in luxury.

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If you want to see it put ballgame good that's another story that building that we're in right here. There's a great story about this building. And Dr Pettit said to me one day after a football game. We always the last to leave. Betty and I and Mr Mrs bet it.

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He said they're going to favor us and what he needs said anything for your son he said it would you mind your body take Florence and governed by the home. I said certainly but. He said I'm going to put in with both associations name and it with my doctor and the Piedmont I think his name.

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So the next Monday he said he was late coming in as I recall he was late Monday and I went in to see him and he said I would tell you what happened almost ten doctor's name. He said is getting my annual physical you know Saturday and he said to me.

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Spencer with his name's sensor. He said. Spencer said and he said Joe this is how long he had this lump on your shoulder here right in here just what Lumpy said this one right here. Kind of how this or this is I don't know he said I'm going to check on that he biopsied it and it was cancerous.

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And that day he started my chemotherapy. And that's why he was late and that was in one thousand nine hundred eighty six that October one thousand nine hundred. Six and he got chemo. I think every Saturday they do weekly. That's not what's the week. I think he got it.

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Every Saturday so he would be recouped enough by Monday to come to work and that's how he always got to the office about a quarter till later eight o'clock right in a timetable. And the news kept getting worse and worse and finally it was obvious says he lost his hair.

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Not once but I. And he was losing weight and he was not then as I said before he was kind of not certainly not heavy but. You could see him losing weight and his hair gone but he religious we came in there. The end of that too. Long before his death something came up and went to one of our staff meetings and he made a comment he said listen I don't have time to think about these things that I did know something about that now or words to that effect saying listen I'm about to die or I'll you I'm about to die any week of the month or something.

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I think the total at the time I'm not certain of this fact. But I think that the doctor told him. Joe he said Tell me what's going to happen he said I think you're going to have about a year and it was eleven months of that class and if otherwise if he'd a been born Here's another little vignette he was born on the fifteenth of July.

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If he'd been born on the thirtieth of June he would have died in an office is that how that he died in office though did it. There was something some connection between the the day of his birth just a matter of a day or so or something else would happen like and what that was but it was pretty for everybody around him well.

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Not so much by the faculty. I mean not a lot of fact I didn't understand what you know but you know what we came back to the unrest was always the fact and the management department whatever management is under there. All I say I said. Furred Levy was the dean over there and rumor had it that Dr Pettit came by.

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Where they came from Texas whatever Emmis you are where we came from and the Dr Pettit supposedly came by and met him in Texas and said I want you to be the dean of Management and thought of the campus which was not true that was a folklore made up by maybe I don't know if somebody did.

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But management was always a problem. I went to management meeting with him almost every meeting those kinds I was with him. Walking away says you know what the problem with management faculties. We know what the problem is I said What is it. He says management. But they don't understand it but he was a wonderful guy with many layers and socialize Yeah.

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And he knew I hope he knew what a great impact he made in Georgia Tech Research to think. He knew absolutely. That's great. He had the greatest respect to the chancellor and that was they were you know that in the early days I mean he earned that status that he had with the chancellor.

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Because when there was a problem. It led me to chance or would come to this International joins and George George. Can No joins with consent Simpson George Simpson George sense and red letter Mr President I suggest you do not do that. Whereas Well I got a lot of the summaries again like me the same way he still is still alive until live and it's just a story.

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He's Arnie's that's what he was a good guy. He brought this thing good sure. And he later he had better go why not say this is why Georgia Tech is so great you know why because it is the only engineering school in the state and all state dollars come to Georgia Tech and you know either that Mary School is so good because all of the assets that they could afford for that Mary medicine go to the University of Georgia.

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And that's one of the injustices that was going on in here and we knew that Florida Southern want to be a university from the day what sort of what went down there was president we knew that and we were trying to kind of stop that from happening by God they are university now are they not the M.P.A. everybody you know everybody wants to do university everybody has I mean even north Georgia now it's no no this is really not.

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Yes because I didn't university you know everything they did that mean I'll be naming about. I don't know five years ago everybody. There's. So George Tenet left. I mean Joe Pettit left died he passed away. He's you know it was a very sad time there everybody here. There was another interim here President Vernon Crawford did it and everyone everybody loved but he's the case because he had been where he was well accepted to be real scholar he was a real scholar and so there.

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That was a relatively calm time for Georgia Tech the transition went fairly well until the story broke that they had found a new president. They were going to bring somebody who was an equally good radically different could it be from job at it too like John Patrick resign.

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Three of the first time you man. Yeah I remember him. I met him when I met him when he came here and I spent three hours with him his first day I went to the states and I understand you're the historian of this place I said I know where the bones are very well that I don't like that he wants to use a special assistant.

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Yeah matter of fact. In more ways than one I moved into this Carnegie building when it was built. I got those office up stairs. Not that kind of gives me. I mean I wore a lot but when the war loved it and what was your impression of Chris.

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His wife asked me the same thing. The second day that he was here or something that I spent three hours with him I said she has been down have coffee two or three days after he arrived. He came first. So I got to settled in the home and all that.

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So I got to know her Barber was nice and wonderful lady. Coming down for coffee. One morning nine o'clock I went down there and she says no dictum about it. Thanks for your help. But I think of John Patrick resign. One of the most likable entertaining and soft easy to be with men.

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You'll ever meet in your life. That was absolutely it was true I said it and I mean to do it can do a great job. She says. I said. However there are a couple things I'd like to see a do different really. He said You mean like being on time I said yes.

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Just for starters athletic board meeting down wish to meet and we had one we step motion here but I think. No it was him. It was here I said that's it that's the only we have to leave. Let's get out of here. I got I mean he says No **** you say we don't have to be in a hurry or that I already had one experience with him.

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We had a vague black tie and practically a black tie dinner with the regions and everybody else at the student center. The first real welcoming dinner for him. Cocktail party at the house before the dinner and all they were there. He says to to I told him I said we need to leave and I had to leave early to go because I was putting that thing together and I was one of my jobs to arrange those dinners and so forth and into the presence.

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And so he said Betty says Why don't you stay and ride with me. So she did and I went on over and lo and behold all the people are seated and he showed up. Yeah and I'm thinking aloud I. I remember that one. It's another story. Anyway I'm waiting and waiting.

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He doesn't show up the people are waiting and got the reasons and so forth. I finally. And downstairs and I recognized in Scott's a big white. I want to I said Betty. She said I've been trying to get him to go dutch Chris I we've got to get up that those people are waiting.

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East and so he comes met the entering in you know and that's what she said you know I mean on time. You know what she said she said you're going to find that Petrie sign has his own agenda marches to his own drummer and nobody in this world is ever going to change him and how profound it's YOU TELL YOU DIDN'T YOU believe it.

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No no she didn't tell me then they had two children and one of them was a problem. Actually she got arrested and I ended up being around. I had her a point I had had the family's approval to be appointed guardian ad litum for the pendency of that trial of hers and represent interests or father.

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And the son went off with the. Dubby of Van de tat bottom to chase the think graceful they had they would definitely do so long but you didn't know when they came and she was staying. No I didn't know to time. I mean he brought down a little assistant to him by the name of John Friedman.

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Also you know you talk about of this and he had assured me that I would he. We've got I'm never Things like and you want to have Carnegie Hall Carnegie Mellon Yeah he was yeah he wanted the whole group down and I remember one by one had he had a job done and I came down and I talked with a lot of this guy was first rate.

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He sounded States down which they kind of you know. And I can remember him but a big jump ahead for great guy. Two very smart move. But a good movie. Yeah. He's indebted to me. So right from the get down controversial. Right now it's on when you can see the controversy.

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Thank you. But in the meantime I'm into Wardlaw building NASSI and he kept telling me **** I got to get you back to the Carnegie building or there was another reason and I'm not going to tell you why I'm not going back that I can't get on and I told my wife let me tell you something.

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Morgenstern it not about not once but I can't tell you how many times in Betty the same thing I had to think back over with me to kind of I when I want to go on she knows that I want to go back to that Carnegie building it a trip with my salary.

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That's how strongly I was I'm staying here in fact I told him you want to move your office over here. Look I see the football game safety and give us a football game. You know where the best place to see it is from and we're going to build the sky boxes when this thing really with athletics so she didn't want to NOT wouldn't but administration building here as a social No Would let's get involved.

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We had a little joint thing going on in New Corp. Up on the top skyboxes someone says no one is ever going to pay twenty five thousand dollars a year to watch football game from an in zone. I said let me tell you guys something I know a man in in Marietta Georgia who buys six season tickets and he could buy the whole damn stadium if you want and he's bought six season tickets to all Georgia Tech home put ball games ever since he's been an adult and guess where they are.

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They are the top center of the South stands. He that's true and that's where you can see a football game from the beginning and not controversy and serial killers. And yeah he just protocol didn't mean much to him he thought US which means. Yes this is all men he is a visionary there is no doubt about it due to his references were Jackie Ward was chairman of the board of regents at that time when he came and was selected and answered pretty good candidates for that job to accurately.

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And you know one of the reasons one of the references he had down for people to check on him was Ross Perot and Ross Perot told Jackie ward. If you get Chris signed to be president. Place of years. There you'll have the number one President of all universities in the world or some such thing.

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And so he ended up with a job. Change makers and I know they're not popular and Pettitte wasn't popular in the beginning because I mean a movie century here and some Yeah. Absolutely. I never quite know. If he had tried to find you when he was listen to this.

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Can you imagine anybody in about less than a month. You know we were in the process. I hope you get selected for the Olympics you know that story. He says I want to I got to be but a forty four foot sailor motor sailor. And he said I'm going to sail the Atlantic with my son and a faculty member who was a pretty good sailor I said Pet.

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I'm going to Barcelona by boat by boat. I said you know how far it is across the Atlantic Ocean. He's only been a short time. Now mind you. He says yeah I know he said and he said we've got to hand out G.P.S. and so it's OK. He left in another name faculty member was.

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And we have administrative counsel all vice presidents Dean school directors and that's about that's put them together in fact. They're having a meeting in this office in this room in this. Where is that they had What's that room over there for the poly people yes. And that's where the meeting was and the one of the upper echelon management guys when asked where does the president say he responded Hell I don't know he didn't leave anybody in charge.

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I think he's somewhere sending a boat words to that effect. Just like he was the middle of the I've said it well and then for the reasons like that when you started going into all this trouble with Richard Belcher and his exposé zone all of which were and I have a tape of every one of those if you don't have it.

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I'll give you a copy it was the time you're looking at the front page of the paper every morning. Yeah here and and what he was blaming his whining all the wrong people. John John King. Her and Jim Langley. Laming him and that was so far from the truth.

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But if you didn't know the young kid he sent them to be his written set of sending me down to be his rep and I'm telling me I think if he sent John Friedman down there to be that Georgia Tech representative to the Board of Regents now you want to slit your own throat.

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That was step number one and yet couldn't pass and we found that he never did never brush his teeth in his life. I mean broke every everything that's he's in there. Yeah it was kind of like watching somebody commit here destruction. And it was a pet more and more and then another and was spiraling.

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And he hired a he hired a research Ph D. research woman. I was going to tell it like it is I'm about to die. Who cares. You are not. Linda Martinson was a smart statistician a great statistician and a researcher and he wanted and she wanted that job.

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So lo and behold he brings her up. He made me direct vice president for operations and Mickey Mouse whatever I don't know what the hell it was I didn't care because I was new and now I'm leaving. Pretty soon my days my happy days are gone. And she got in his office and it wasn't working out.

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She is a very strong willed smart woman and she was an opportunist and a climber. And it was a matter of only a week or two that he's saying maybe you know it was fun and so he got in his mind he can make a great move. He can make me his assistant for a vice president for operations and he can make her business and finance of which she knew nothing.

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I didn't tell him that he can do whatever he wants. So he. They heard the vice president took my job running the all of the stuff is a day old in there except for his c wanted me to have he said I want you to still have a person now and throughout I forget what they were but I want her.

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I want her out of my own so to speak so I made a vice president. She says kind never saw such a female dog in my life. I mean everything I did you know I was doing. T.Q.M. with this campus all over the campus. Everybody loves everybody. Yeah I did was doing that long before T.Q.M. ever came into existence.

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Well we had a big movement. Did we were teaching a course in it for goodness sake. You know where that came from a textile guy was a Tech graduate time alone I was sent back and yeah there you are. Yeah there were common sense really not even a complicated.

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You were fascinated at an experience and anyway that's right. It was a heck of a time you wondered every day. What was going to. I mean he was having relations. Did he not get it. You were right. You know I could know he I wouldn't I couldn't work from right.

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I mean I could get it and he didn't get it at a but let me go back to T.Q.M.. When I became vice president acting at this place. I called the head lot of people reported this B.P. job you know I don't know who all they were at this time about ten or eleven maybe and I got a notice out I said I'm going to have a first meeting with you people and I want you to bring whoever youth rely on most I hope you do your job and it's going to be in the a French building.

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So it came at eight o'clock in the morning or at eight o'clock in the morning so I got them all in there I said you know why you're here. Now this. This is a great quantum change but the business office where Frank up had been controller for seventeen years and I finally moved him made that swap for a lot of reasons he couldn't survive under me.

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You know why we're in this classroom and I'm going to tell you why because the only reason we have a job is we because we have students and researchers here if we didn't have students and researchers and faculty we wouldn't have a job and my God we're here to take care of them and don't bug them about anything.

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We're going to be them. We're going to bug ourselves was high. CUSTOMER SERVICE Yeah they never heard of but there are certainly no eliminate all these damn lines from these students going down to register we're going to fix that and we're going to fix everything else that's wonderful.

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Thank God. And that's a massive The reality of the fact that we got you know and makes you remember you know I left thank God I wasn't on that committee at all and I remember the day you heard that that morning when they said yeah we are. MY GOD MY GOD I told that I'm glad I'm in Florida.

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You're already I what I think I was I'm not sure I but I wasn't here when they came I although I know I was here at the time you know we had all the committees come in here and we wine and dine and even going to read and by that time he was already we could say disenchanted with the check along an awful lot of people were just can't.

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Yeah management was trying what they were taking a contract out on and you think something I got no please. I have. He was really making a lot of changes in hindsight a lot of mortgage absolutely no doubt about we needed the shaking up or you know I thought you don't have a lot.

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Gestation period you know before he started right away right away right away he forged ahead. And then it kind of giving a damn was do rightly say wow that was a good idea. We are better stronger institution because of those changes. My God they were painful were they.

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But. He was different. Did you ever have a chance to talk to him about the transition about did you ever catch on a month when he was on his way and you doing this and I don't know and I knew it. Yeah I knew he didn't know what you know and.

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I think what I tell you I truly believe the Senate John Friedman down to the reasons was about the dumbest thing I ever did. A second only to serving alcohol to the kids and it was I was down I just think if you want to think other understand yeah and the people he selected the people he selected to be around him and Bud set of death.

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We're going to talk about that one of the smartest. Greatest chemical engineers smart ever and he came up with the president's office you know stupendous not farther down the road in time and I could tell you something about that too. It was a tragedy that absolutely died right there.

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And if I had a heart but know not handled well know that at the aftermath of now. Something that has a ripple effect it still simply is this is is the sun is still here. We're just going to keep it you know I don't know I stay forever.

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These guys are dying they're dying to get out here to find this just keep talking about that which was your last. How did you make up your mind that you can not and you were going to retire. Well I had enough time. You know I wouldn't. I don't know.

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I Pod I would have any time some time because I'm going but I thought. Enough. I really thought I could you see I would not go to the wild just you know it all. Yeah I could see a lot of things that I didn't like I didn't like the people he selected.

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I didn't like I didn't like to see John Friedman I didn't like see Norman Johnson. I didn't like to see a lot of things he was doing over there and that's why I said let me take I have to move over there. I ain't going no and no system and the people that were in that building were not loyal.

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That's all I can say. And that's one of his downfall very difficult and I warned him of that in this roundabout sort of way when many of my most honest or just take a look at Ben and I have a house on a lot of that I bought.

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Smartly enough twenty years ago before I left it was Khalid you know him right. And you got out to get it you were gonna see that he still likes me he came down spent the weekend with me. I don't down to speak the alarms and he still didn't get it.

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He didn't get it. It's amazing isn't it. Somebody so smart. I used to come back make sense and look at you know it. See how much you wish everything to remind myself all the good he was undoubtedly the number one most literate computer president on the globe without exception.

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And I mean he had to say computers were his life and you know Apple Apple Computer. Did he had Steve Jobs Ross Perot and pet resigned formed. They had a management What the hell's the name of the. Apple Apple that netted a whole new set of computers just for college grads called Next Ne X.T. was done by that same little group back resigned in.

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Steve Jobs in April May be back in some finances but he's a smart man very bright as in something BIG didn't seem to have a look at Comet. And I can see him now coming back got a big meeting waiting. And he's had lunch with a student he loved the students more than the faculty and I mean he left walking with the student one student coming up the walkway here I'm down there.

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The needed. Which I want to come. Let's build. So I take it from this that when you actually meet. It with no regrets. It was time I had no I had to leave and when I every job I ever had at Tech I would have stayed till I died probably and not not quite but I love this place and I love my house and in the end hills on the golf course had the world by the tail come at six no morning and no traffic at eleven thirty in the afternoon to do with it.

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And yeah no I was I'm not and I was financially successful so I didn't need all of that and I was underpaid so I didn't like that. I knew what I was worth because I was these other guys. Yes now I don't need that. Time. Now. So tell me what it is like I know it's wonderful.

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Too much wife and too little money is what she said she says too much has been too little money but the truth is worth the income is the highest it's ever been. Now that I'm retired because of the property stay stay out of the stock market never biased show stock and buy houses buy and never sell buy and then select the places know how much gas every day every day every day in the afternoon.

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I play about once a week with four guys. But I take my dogs but I'm on my golf cart two minutes from the tee. And free almost every day you're living a perfect retirement that play alone most of the time and even when I go out and run my dogs of this like I'm a private golf course it's true because no one's on the island you like to get it.

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I really am and I look in a barrel like that that I told the story about a faculty member now. Present that it had a Christmas party for every Christmas he had one. They loved and everybody loved a Christmas party for the faculty and a little guy came up to me one day and he says the president doesn't mean you were in the Navy and I said Yes sir he said Well so was I said I was it didn't World War two And I said so was I.

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He said you were I said he said I got out of the Navy right after the war I said when I stayed on in the Navy for actually twenty eight years almost thirty years I said that and you know even though I've been out of the Navy ten years.

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I don't and I mean I did thirty years in the Navy in ten years or tech. I don't feel a bit different than I thought when I was twenty five years old he said you don't. He said You want to look in the mirror once in awhile. That restroom I don't believe about keeping you hound and then within a week or so I walking down Peachtree Street from coming from a meeting at the club they want to converse club or one of them and I run into Sandusky who was a state senator from Rome Georgia you know DOS that name don't we stop.

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Said it on history says I was assistant the president as a ****. How do you do it. Sam I'm going to tell you I'm working my **** off he said what did you do change jobs. When you have friends like I got to tell you once about Auburn Georgia Tech the rest of corp and fuller Callaway OK.

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Joe Gutteridge and Joe Gutteridge Joe guys he said. There's a place called the Alexander City Alabama and are having some sort of a get together over there the try and it's not over there trying to start an alumni club or whatnot there are some tech graduates over there and they're going to play golf or something.

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He said You know I don't play golf. He said Since you play golf and why don't you. And Betty go represent tech over there and I said Well who should I kind of cultivate anybody in particular you what he said Joe rest just so it's true he said don't waste your time.

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Just enjoy the outing they get every damn die and they got to Alabama and all over. And that was my little off I went. Scott how was President of the athletic department oppressed and I'd never been to an extent in my life and I couldn't even find it hardly I mean you'd come to that little thing in the road.

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It's a filling station and a general store and then you would have been over there. Go please go. Please go. Some of the greatest accommodations in a world without exception. Because when the Russell corporation did it under jeans well me He changed that that I could write a book on the Russell corporation not serious about that.

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But that Gene got me made that it was written up in Forbes magazine and the family and boy a big riff about the old Russell family giving Jordan giving. Gene one who married the founders dotter one of the founders daughter given him all the credit for all the good things that were happening but it was true but that caused a big family rift and but he survived anyway.

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But Joe got he says no. Have a good time sort of at a cocktail party before the golfer after the golf as it would go with me for the golf. Were at Scott's house. And I said anybody who anybody here always at the club. Anyone who's had to be cultivating India and Scott House's Dicky said when we take a step and I just met Scott I didn't know he said You see that guy right there that's me.

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He controls all the money of this place. So he said Remember got me says don't bother. Just then never given a dime to tech and never will. Little George Gwaltney came into the scene. Remember you know what he did I didn't finish that he made the dean's list every year he was back in tech and his father thought I hung the moon this father wanted me to leave there and be come to Russell but because that George and I did do that.

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George did because he's not done yet and yeah he like it isn't it. But if he didn't do it the right way would never miss it. I want all that but this to me. Yeah we now when in doubt lonely chair. Joe said you never get a dime out of them but we know that what happened at all been if you can imagine this happening.

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Dr Phil pot was present of all over at that time the last Auburn football game the Georgia Tech played was there. Dr Phil pot and Tom Russell were lifelong friends. Tom Russell was the founder he and his brother Dan. That's right now. They are in the stands of this football game between tech and all over there is their son in law is Bobby go re who is also a Tech grad and he married.

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Nancy. Russell. You got the picture now. OK And he has two sons had two sons one of got killed a plane crash economic city a later time. BOBBY. But he had to Grant's he had a son in law and his grandson in the stands. OK. And he's up in a presence box with their pot and Georgia Tech at Hunts and banners down on the field for a little fence down there.

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And that started it's almost a riot and the police came and lo and behold we're all standing up and we have got all these fourteen seats in a row but this party from protect the glory is and Russell they were all they were. And and the police arrest Corey these people up and the one of Bobbie's.

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One of the relatives said My God they got they got they got they got my dad and he saw that happen. And he dive right into this. And lo and behold the police get more and more of them and they take them away off they went to the jail and all been our Bama So what do you suppose I spent the last happened and the football game.

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I was in all over an Alabama jail trying to get these guys out and Bobby go really was a big pretty big drinker. And as soon as I got a mouth he said there's a female police sergeant there. And he says I had a heck of a time getting debriefs release this and in my custody so to speak and.

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Got out of there. He says But that's I mean especially I said Bob do you want to take the law you stay right there until I get this matter settled that that's true. The grandson. Of Russell and felt. Yes So we doubt it. And that's great. Corporation. To bought stock in it and play the market did the list.

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There you know it was yeah now it's quicker. Had Navy and Georgia Tech could not have been better if God wanted I didn't deserve it. I think a couple of little Thank you. But at the time I had that a lot better young Navy flyer than I was in my youth.

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I'll tell you that we know that quibbling heavily you're going to have that over there. No actually it's been wonderful. It's no wonder the story and I'm so glad that you could find the time to come and share it with any time we've learned about some wonderful legendary people here in Georgia the whole truth and nothing but to tell it like it was or as right most but the most part for the most part.

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Well I'll be thinking about you and those dogs out of the car. I love those dogs so yeah I love those dogs on the B.C. field so to hate kids and love dogs. You can't be all that you know that's right that's right. I don't think you take it now.

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I don't know. We're grateful that you can be like you she certainly is an asset to George she also my sister her own drummer Yes actually. She's like gifty that you get into a security department safe. Customer service you run a lot. It changes things a lot of changes and on behalf of everybody now thank you.

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I guess it was something very much. I'm sure glad there was a Georgia Tech chapter in for story. Thanks for sharing your welcome. My pleasure.