[00:01:08] >> Hello my name is Kirk Henderson I'm the exhibits program manager for the Georgia Tech library Welcome to the exhibit and being **** from our 2 Atlanta. Hin Bredendieck was born in 1000 afford the child of a grocer and out of the small town of 6000 people in the far north west of Germany one of 8 siblings his father was absent during much of the 1st World War but his mother as he recalled maintained the household work which included such practical tasks as painting and repairing plaster walls after finishing elementary school at age 14 begin **** began an apprenticeship with a carpenter which he completed 4 years later in 1922 his interest in furthering his education led him to enroll in the street car School of Arts and Crafts and later at the State School of Arts and Crafts in Hamburg Britain **** was frustrated that the schools did not promote creativity and that their teaching was essentially limited to copying forms and ornaments therefore he abandoned his studies and returned to his initial profession as a carpenter Britain Deek had already heard of the bun House during his studies district court the School of Design founded by architect Walter Gropius environment in 1900 United fine art and handicraft eventually becoming the most influential modernist educational institution of the 20th century in 1925 the Bauhaus relocated to decide where the design school moved into an iconic new building designed by copious one I'm a fan of Tom it's been director out of London with him for consul What will we shift in order for. 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Grief or before noon from last no more not purchased by the gun significance Gunson even gotten in sponsor guy before not b. does it a slimy guns underfoot look a visit there for us to be a reason not tired on the phone book or and on at the Powerhouse experienced an unusual openness and tolerance then with a different educational backgrounds origin religions and sexual orientations there and work together there the curriculum at the Bauhaus focused on creativity unconventional teaching methods and the development of new solutions in the design of everyday objects Swiss architects on this mire took over as director of the powerhouse in 1928 establishing a co-operative programme with manufacturers. [00:06:37] Students were taught the designs were to be functional and suitable for mass production the metal workshop proved to be particularly effective for these pursuits and predict chose the middle workshop based on the recommendation of artist behold the knowledge quote Why go to the witcha you already know wood why not take the metal shop bring **** later recalled quote This made sense to me and I never regretted it after just one year he was hired as a paid employee of the metal workshop and from then on he in fellow designer Marianne Brandt were entrusted with design work that could be executed by industrial companies a series products most notably their work included the so-called condom lamps modern functional work lamps that became the most successful products about house design as an employee of metal workshop also design practical work chairs. [00:07:35] Received his Bauhaus diploma in the aftermath of Black Friday the height of unemployment in Germany in 1030 he moved to Berlin where he worked for a time as a commercial artist in the offices of lust for holding knowledge and graphic designer Herbert buyer when Swiss designer secret Gideon was looking for a designer for modern lens Molly nudge recommended pretend he is the best possible candidate between 19321934 bring to worked in Zurich design new lighting fixtures and modern style. [00:08:12] His designs benefited from his experience in the middle workshop at the Powerhouse the indie lamps he developed impressed audiences with their glare 3 indirect light swiveling bedside table lamps and indirect ceiling lights common items today are among his greatest innovations went out. There amidst the tightest Bush I fished him a beautiful book that so and because so far best on foot in front of him perfect so much when I didn't buy food output fever. [00:08:45] And they conclude hard to convince what I thought when it all again for one whole for months past noir and India take the fleet to death managed to blend the earth and then what I think the effect of could you know Magnum guns toying with the thing the death of our Sunday out before out all here not in a bundle of a. [00:09:06] Gift one minute I'm going to crowd out and be my maid Lampert I'm not also. If I'm divine method of the pond out pushed out all on him and at Buff Gunther vulnerable but he did the lift thing but many who are unofficial home to one van on this concert hall tonight at the back then didn't have fire and find a total freedom like you want me to and will come off what is a lump of this Obama brain **** also worked on the redesign of the course of theater in Syria for which he was lighting designer numerous designs photographs and print matter especially from the Swiss period had been preserved in predicts collection of papers at the Georgia Tech archives in Atlanta with the onset of the national socialist dictatorship in Germany was forced to return to his home that here he married the American born Virginia Weiss house for her about a student who had accompanied him to Switzerland. [00:10:06] Together they emigrated to the United States in 1937 in Chicago became a teacher at the new bounce he taught the preliminary course and the basic design workshop and thus was the only former Bauhaus student to work as a lecturer at the Bauhaus exile venue been Dick's wife Virginia supported him in overcoming the language barrier serving as a translator in the costume during his 1st year but the fall of 1938 the new Bauhaus Chicago closed due to lack of funding Indyk then became self employed and together with his former student Nathan Lerner. [00:10:47] He designed wouldn't children's toys and do it yourself furniture in 1905 bring deep received a teaching position at the Institute of Design in Chicago the successor institution of the new Bauhaus in 1952 moved from Chicago to Atlanta to establish an industrial design program at the Georgia Institute of Technology on behalf of Harold Busch Brown head of the School of Architecture in Berlin **** as guns passing in the design of the end of the shift or if I guess one of the. [00:11:22] Sign of your coffee and saw this in it's written in by the Continental one stint West in Britain because once it's even dies if you make clear to. Him off by the Continental in one word you however to shift to the How about say an old friend but once you're in London and goodness you're one powerful Ben in Atlanta. [00:11:44] The discordant us does Institute of Design and our daughter Tech in Atlanta went to this abiding fair didn't beat out Saddam for being with the guns of the shift as if bottom up and any but some of. Us knew them unable to love and this design isn't fantasy I will not. [00:12:00] Be the arsenal in Atlanta yet some ask. After him to one if the op does didn't take damage it's not Atlanta using his experience as a trained carpenter student of the dishonored the house and teacher at Institute of Design with extensive practical experience. Created a modern course to study at Georgia Tech the program that the contemporary needs of designers by applying the ideas about house pedagogy to the training of a new generation of industrial designers the memories a human being **** as a lecturer are vivid in the minds of his former students to this day the students described him as a strict teacher who always expected highest level of performance and expressed as much in his German accented English the focus of his teaching was on material oriented design concepts. [00:12:56] Insisted that ergonomic and functional use factors be considered in the detail design of everyday objects in particular. Being Deeks concept of ideation influenced the further career paths of many graduates according to this concept sketches should lead from one idea to a better one and finally to a ballot design solution like a flow of ideas alumnus wait Daryn of recalls quote Maybe this is what people today refer to as thinking outside the box but it was much more than that there was no box to think around all the green **** was also active in publishing his design education legacy was not completed during his lifetime many students recall his decades of work on the manuscript beyond Bauhaus evolving manmade environment the preliminary work often referred to as the book was however not published until after his death in between Dick's life and work exemplified the successful international dissemination of the design ideas and educational methods developed at the Bauhaus while his diverse activities and contacts evidence his international relevance as a designer and an educator the division of his archival legacy housed both in Oldenburg Germany as well as with the Georgia Tech archives in Atlanta has along contributed to the lack of recognition for Britain deacon and his work the scattering of his life's traces in creative work over 2 continents perhaps reflects his fate as an immigrant from 2016 to 2020 their cover collections of his **** were processed in a scholarly manner for the 1st time at the Oldenburg state museum for art and cultural history the questions material housed for the Georgia Tech archives is currently being processed to make it available to researchers through the comprehensive examination of collections in both Old and ber and Atlanta the work of the designer and educator could be evaluated for the 1st time and made publicly available in a bilingual monograph in b. d. from hours to about or. [00:15:17] How do you know my name is an essay you bought on the director for the Mayor's Office of International Affairs for the city of Atlanta and on behalf of our mayor he's a land bottom so I like to extend a sincere and warm welcome to those attending this event being held in Coronation with an album to Atlanta I believe was the mission showcasing the life and work a powerhouse educator designer and head and **** this exhibit in the event of the result of a multi-year relationship between 2 German researchers from the Oldenburg State Museum in Oldenburg Germany and their very own Georgia Tech here in Atlanta Georgia the city of Atlanta as proxy showcase for cross continental collaboration's is lost on the contributions of the German community and German immigrants to r.c. thank you welcome to the George Tech library scholars of that they enter here today with a distinguished panel of alumni the really helps celebrate Braeden **** and his contributions to the Georgia Tech he was born in in 1000 no for. [00:16:25] Him trained as a carpenter really found his intellectual home at the battle house shaped his electoral and deciding creativity for the rest of his life 937 he came to Chicago as part of the new pal house and actually studied there taught there and then I think 52 came to Georgia Tech and he founded our programming to dust or design and I would argue that that program is a lot of creativity that is built following some of the basics that he laid that ideation creativity and ocus on the future and so. [00:17:12] To have the exhibit that we have today and the video we just saw and this distinguished. Further adieu I'd like to turn this over to my colleague isn't centers Thank you Steve. I'm glad he covered all the material that I don't have to cover now scree. Welcome everyone happy to see our alumni again we did this about 2 years ago and today we're going to talk with each of them about their experience what it was like to be a student of handbrake index in industrial design which was really very new at that time so as Steve Dean French sorry mentioned he was recruited away from Chicago and offered a position here to Atlanta to Georgia Tech and start the new design program. [00:18:07] Enough about Brayden that for the moment let's turn to our guests our idea Lum not I which I will introduce to you so you can get to know them just a little bit. O. Ed is all the way down at the other end he graduated in $63.00 nobody did the math we don't need to do that he served in the Navy which was probably easier than a class with Braden from what I learned he also did engineering design with Lockheed an. [00:18:40] Aerial and also was a very successful product and manufacturer is a designer which he had for about 30 years and then it's in him or his retirement he decided to become a boat designer and build boats we'll have to ask him about that next on our panel is Ken Fuller who is sitting next to Ed. [00:19:05] And he graduated in 1969 I believe and if you've been to Epcot you've seen some of Ken's work you were as a Disney Imagineer for quite a while he led the design and development of the retail shops at Disney parks and hotels and threw out at. This maybe most recently and has taken his design skills and used them to renovate and redesigned she'd react tricked you nuts for enhanced the environment but. [00:19:46] Carolyn Rose Macallan genteel way amused in the Italian version of her last name graduates in 1964 she is the 1st woman to graduate from the Ivy program in industrial design it was quite remarkable. Carolyn was self employed as an industrial designer or years and she is the mother of 4 children 3 daughters and one. [00:20:17] And she's a lot braver than I. Jim kindly sitting right next to me he graduated from id in 1068 and then he dashed off to Illinois to get a master's degree in the what got into Iowa and then further went farther afield and went to Harvard and got an m.b.a. in 1977 he's designed to develop and marketed numerous successful consumer projects but like to see a list of those. [00:20:47] And he also spent 20 years teaching marketing innovation and product development to undergraduates graduates and executives students who put that good Harvard m.b.a. to use Jim has became the director of the m.b.a. program at the College of Charleston. Up on the screen we have Jim Oliver who is joining us remotely from Asheville Jim graduates in 1955 he also at that point decided he needed some more engineering background so he went and remained at Georgia Tech and received in mechanical engineering degree in 1907 and that wasn't quite enough so he dashed off to Stanford to get a master's degree in engineering and graduated and so on just last week Jim was inducted into the space and satellite Hall of Fame class of 2021 I don't know if he's planning on some space travel but we can ask him about that he is a co-founder of Sat Com technology build satellite and tennis satellite and tennis and he is the founder of a.v.l. technologies also a satellite antenna company there in Asheville so he is joining us remotely today. [00:22:14] Irwin Schuster is not joining us he was not able to join us for a minute Lee but he has provided some comments or us Irwin's spent a 60 year career in 3 d. product design and then he said he got rid of the 3 d. and went and got into graphic design. [00:22:34] So he was very successful he is very proud that he maintained 3 separate clients for over 30 years each and he has spent a lot of time being and salt now that you know a little bit about our guest and the it's a very little Let's turn our attention to what they studied and learned as students in and dust will design under the guidance and Braden. [00:23:01] But I have some questions let's start with Ed Do going to his on the and Jim Kenley who is sitting next to me. I've the same question for both to use so you can think about it and one of you can decide to talk 1st as you know the Bauhaus was very stablish by the time Reagan arrived George. [00:23:23] And it became very well known for its very prescribe to design not just in product design but in interiors and in architecture as well but my question is when you were a student unbraided index studios did you know with that he was teaching you from what he had learned at the Bauhaus What was this very apparent and was it a driving force in your class. [00:23:55] So the I'm curious of the level of where ness that you that you might have had and if brain **** talked about it also I know I'm cheating I'm throwing 3 questions into one were there other classes that you were taking that were like history of Bauhaus or sociology or history of architecture anything that would give you another sort of perspective on what was happening at the Bauhaus they could the 1st time I heard of the boss was in Professor Braden they select shows that once or twice a chlorinated give them almost lecture and. [00:24:39] Is the lecture is probably about the same material as in this book of beyond us but it taught quite a bit about his work at a and the us and also his work at the in Chicago and. He had a lot of admiration respect for his masters he talking to a great extent about them. [00:25:02] I think I learned more about the boss watching on the b.b.c. documentary that was produced to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the. It was a 3 part series and I still available on u.k. it was very good and. Not take away from that it was if. You don't have the Vaska very serious about their projects and they work very hard but the boss was a really fun part of School and Professor Green Day totally forgot to bring that to Georgia Tech have to catch up. [00:25:36] To the series and sounds great Jim do you have anything well I think the. Curriculum that he set up because he really did emphasize that it was based on the bios principles. He also had a. Very. Strong emphasis on craftsmanship which I think the the bought houses really stripped away a lot of things that were certain sort of classical architecture. [00:26:06] And. Products but they still in full sized real craftsmanship as being part of the art of the design and yet he still took a more. Disciplined approach to it that I think came from. All of that. All the really different thinking that the buy house for the Senate. [00:26:33] I with you I wish we'd had a few more Boyar it's all. You know warning that no decoration no party and actually you know that it's me but yeah it was it was a. He certainly had that. On a cost basis. Part of the reason firstly I went I think it was this recommendation and I'd like to go forward with this and he's. [00:27:08] It desired but off I wept. Not having experienced it and design class right there I didn't have any standard it judges dial. And to be quite frank as a little kid from a Perl community I didn't know about house from an outhouse. Having since Ford in the consulting offices later I observed to learn from associates who for the most floor were graduates of Arc oriented design schools and they tended to order more sculptural forms and 3 or color use. [00:27:58] I found that there are modeling skills who are as good or superior to mine. And they're certainly there graphics and or rendering were even more so and but that could be the result of how they were screened by the employers I was told that my skills from well perhaps from Step were a unusual in the field and different and useful. [00:28:32] But by the time I was being employed by consulting offices I had. Spent a few years as an engineer for a major military equipment contractor and had picked up mil standard drafting practices and disciplines so I was not a wave your hands and. Dance kind of designer I was more of a hard goods hardware designer and that has always been my bet. [00:29:05] I don't recall being taught specific bubble house design practices closely. And strategies only design strategies I didn't have any realisation of about house and I don't believe to my recollection that it was stretched very much by a bright and. Some of the things he taught were 2 that I now presume were of my house or. [00:29:40] From my readings were elements like don't let the fact that you're working on a rectangular piece of paper direct you to. A rectangular solution for instance don't let yourself to that don't be limited and done things like study each element and consider define it yourself and if it's round you consider mean should it be triangular to gain. [00:30:17] More mechanical force on no one turning of a knot for instance or are things like I. Thank you Jim Ok I have a question for all of you anybody can you know respond as a lie. Did Professor brain there could have a very prescribe method or. Well defined sort of step by step process that you were supposed to go through when you undertook a new project where it was a it wasn't fair was it clear to you that this is the 1st thing I do and then I do some of this and then I iterate and then I you know I work from the. [00:31:00] 10 You describe a little bit about how you learned. I don't want to just call them problems because not everything is problem a project right as entered with the project you know what do you do era when you look like you're ready to well yes and given that some thought Professor brain **** would assign a problem or a project and you ideate many possible solutions lots and lots of ideation following a box there a form follows function that was. [00:31:32] At least. We considered human factors and researched products that were currently available in the marketplace because any many solutions using various materials and manufacturing techniques and then you signature I.D.'s to Professor great **** or critique. He could send you back to your drafting table or he would choose the direction he preferred or your projects valid but that choice was his and he did teach me patience determination perseverance I would imagine great life lessons learned. [00:32:20] Thank you your body else have a comma Yes I will try. How he taught was to give assignments in it and it occurs to me that all classes were mixed that is all grade levels in pretty much a one room schoolhouse situation I do not recall if the various classes Junior Senior the her. [00:32:52] Were given different projects or whether we all worked on the same simply do not recall that. Frankly I learned by trying to understand what any and every instructor was aiming to get me to accomplish and that's a learned behavior I was not a spectacular student of any sort but I did have a pretty good now at. [00:33:23] Figuring out what an instructor or a client expected from Lee and I responded in kind of. Him was the only professor instructor at the time in our classes although a fellow named wall Warley came on later but I believe he was pretty much restricted to walk shop supervisor thinking sure we didn't cut off her fingers sort of thing. [00:33:55] So there was only one leader to try to read and of course. We're graded on unsatisfying the professor. As I said I'm nuts and bolts kind of a guy and I tended to grab on to a solution and refine it probably too early without exploring all of the possible alternatives. [00:34:30] And I would then get 2 of trying to work in 3 dimensions which I think has to hit me all my life and until I drop the 3rd dimension one at a graphics. But. I do enjoy a lead can I do to this day and. I don't I don't believe in selling a design new in it either works or it doesn't you can't run up and down the aisle with every potential customer explain to them why you did a certain thing it simply doesn't have a reflection of whether the final product is good or bad worthwhile or not. [00:35:17] So that gets into the area of packaging you it can package up anything but if it's not a good product Joe you won't go to a repeat customer and. For whatever reason that sort directed my life in the 2nd half or 3 fifth's not least of my design career of 60 years into one of promotional graphics corporate identity packaging technical themselves literature. [00:35:51] Trade shows also point of purchase interest where I was going. Frank I do not have the intellectual or the patients who are abstract design theory it simply didn't make any sense to me and does not to this day even else have a man there but can you look like that well yes I think. [00:36:16] The the process was very clear but also he tried to keep the object defined very loosely he would call it Project or structure for support or exploration of form though it gave us an opportunity to think brawled design from a very open perspective the build it in a process that was very logically laid out and the process started aisle with just simple steps and then we built on that with the vamps the reason projects growing in experience with materials techniques and illustration and drawing skills so it was always pushing the growth and building on a very defined process that became our thinking process as a foundation to serve us throughout our careers and design thank you for that segue Ken. [00:37:19] Because I'm you know my follow up question is have you been able to or were you able to transfer this into your professional life are you able to say Ok You know I got a client I need to do this and could you ideate iterate now I mean what were you able to transfer those things readily into your career absolutely the foundation of. [00:37:49] The process learning to go through a lot of different approaches looking at. Variations inside out rupture of form finish texture or color all of the components that became part of the Me never really doing product design but doing mostly architectural design it still has translated the thought process was so unique and applied so well it carried over into our I approach work at Disney and it other resort in a time applied chicks the design and illustration skills were paramount to get a job because we didn't have computers if you were going to tell and show what you wanted to do all of us had to draw we had to paint we had to have which illustration abilities wasn't to much light of the computer illustrations were available but also that translated into the doing of a project he forced us to keep doing to get into variations to get into the shop and when I was forced to or enjoyed developing multiple projects in architecture it was stretching to do things we've never done before and try to build on that and then finally we had to learn how to translate all of this into story it is though he had to learn how to communicate effectively and then manage others effectively and that's great answer can and you have to comment I think everybody left his program with the understanding that an ad is a dam it doesn't the creative objective is to generate many ideas and you avoid getting stuck on the impractical then to do the really really hard work of the developing those the show promise as we all learned and it is a service well in a lot of areas it's a lot of persistent. [00:40:01] And through architecture school. Over and over aspect that aeration of it you know still looking for something pretty important. Like to the to me when I. As I sort of continue this with my teaching. The things that him laid out this process really the foundations of design Thank you it's now called design thinking it's taught widely it's it is the process and the rudiments of that process what it taught us and it was a socially divergent thinking to convert that thinking to divergent thinking to converge a prototype prototype prototype prototype till you really. [00:40:51] Got it right your course never got it right if you. Want to be right you know Ok. But still it was that that that I think they all touched I really beneficial way I've been able to. Really thank you all for those Ellen wrote 1st of all must be very brave to have. [00:41:25] That you join the I'd. And be the only. I don't know what the other woman here was and Grammy. I think and I have been the only one in his 20 year career there that's true. Can you share some Experion experience or 2 of it what it was like I mean that's you know that's a that's a big broad question you're right but were you treated differently than the guy. [00:42:03] Did you were you able to see that where the guys able to see that. It did was this a challenge for Britain as there weren't that many women at the. Well from 1959 when I arrived on campus until 63. Scuse me there were fewer than 50 coeds we weren't all women we were called coeds and $5000.00 boys right around on campus now I was the only girl in every class I ever took at Tech for 4 years though I profess or Braden ****. [00:42:47] Always kept me at a rote appropriate and skinny and respectful distance. Perhaps because I was a woman he maintained a distance from me and when we were called My lab partner and I were called into his office to discuss anything or for a lecture we'd sit across the desk from him he wouldn't come to my drafting table and and that was just the way he wanted to do things. [00:43:23] He expected to keep us to keep our minds on our design projects don't really the only boy I talk to is my lab partner he came into the design program the spring of 1960 and he was an Army r.g.c. guy so we we worked pretty closely together and had to be in the shop at the same time anything happened to one of us and it did. [00:43:50] I junior year I. Dropped them or to sing attachment to the drill press I was releasing it in it dropped in it my left ring finger created this huge square hole in my finger which was very bloody So I kind of held it ran through the lab and the guys all laughed and they thought that was really funny and the infirmary doctor banished me up then me back to working a Fessor Brayton **** nodded back at my table and time wasn't to be wasted we were if our mind then. [00:44:33] It's on our work at all times I'm sure it was really challenging. To say the least. And you are mother of 4 children I understand a son and 3 daughters son and daughters and I was wondering my at my last question to you is do you see that there might be an intersection of design and motherhood and all of the things that problems you learn to solve let me go you might you know with 4 kids you've got a lot of variables you do you do. [00:45:10] My senior thesis was an infant care center for the home. And I'm sure he would never sign that to one of the guys doa I enjoyed studying human factors and everything involved in the mother baby relationship there were so many different ways even culturally a baby could be slept and dressed. [00:45:33] This unit had to have storage for a baby diapers and clothing and getting at with had to be included and Professor Braden to challenge me to come up with so many radical decides usual and materials combining the sleeping and storage or baby. He seemed to like my thought processes and imagination used in solving the problems but and he settled on a design we stand for development now 50 years later I find that it's similar crib in storage units in baby stores nationwide something that I designed 50 years ago you were ahead of your time thank you Carolyn. [00:46:19] Jim Oliver who is on with us in Asheville Jim and I have had actually many conversations about design thinking and design process and I'm wondering Jim. And I you can correct me if I'm wrong I think that given our conversations that you are a big believer in iteration and you credit Brayden often with what you learned while you were here that has helped make us 6 tasks at your businesses at the satellite antenna business. [00:46:54] Is that is that accurate. That. As he talked to are very effective. In engineering very helpful there is a to the level and then started there was a shouldn't because. So I'm So would. Believe there was a major occur muzhik sales. Though would. Never George exclude all graduate exposure to what we were exposed to or the the truth. [00:47:43] Others will make a more Ok going on and. It taught you engineering as well as our Yes neighborhoods Ok. We have a follow up question for you given that you know your your a.b.l. and sack com are still you know very much a year still in business producing more and more satellites is there anything that's changed in your sort of product development process or your design process over the years that you might see as an outgrowth of what you learned from brain tech you can say no. [00:48:31] We're talking about a bill it is cash that has been lost while the engineers I would have to say that it takes about twice as long as he used. 3 months or all of that is actually slowed everything down. But after 2 and generally trying to introduce it you're back at it is that I think the road interesting is the attacks that it actually raises that there's a wonderful I'm good Benson if you're using as a group the solid modeling not good but if you're growing so much that you agreed to the kids turned all their stanching who are creative that you are on the computer. [00:49:22] Ok Thank you everyone last question for everyone today. I know that I know that I had these projects in my time in architecture school and I magine that you all have pay for projects maybe you have multiple favorite projects that you completed while you were a student at Georgia Tech doesn't have to be a thesis project doesn't have to be the culmination project but I'm wondering if you would talk about a favorite project that you had and whether or not Braden **** had the same sort of opinion about the project that you did was he you know it he think that this was your best were or did he see the merits of your project because I'm sure everybody worked on different different projects throughout their you know the 4 years Does anybody have a project that they will and you talk or something that you made obviously you had to scat. [00:50:25] It's up to you it's kind of a wide open and you can design. I will jump in and. I think the project to create a structure for seeding or supporting a person which ultimately became a chair was our kind of 1st reach and to applying this in a real world going through a lot of sketches and I remember. [00:50:55] Bring Jake would come in and sit by us and look at it a sketch it would fall in a lot of the way than he would say. More sketches more more variations or drawings more ideas do 50 more and so we would be constantly trying to do more variations and then after that is home get into the shop go go Bill models go and translate this into dimensions so we had to go build a bunch of models and sell and then also little h. apply it in various materials and fabrication take Nates And finally see a beautiful product a chair that supported the human being it was a real satisfying experience applying everything get Aldous to that or it and you have project that you tell us about math a project was a must in your thesis project it was to design an excursion boat for a small lake the professor a climb into the cup a tickle laid back and check all the research boxes concerning the environment in which the boat would be operating now 1st solution was a better 30 foot diameter donut shaped hole had had parameters sitting around it and that in the center of the down it was a column that 8 then down it on the top of the column was the Will asked if good visibility hold that the net and the bottom of the column was a pulse in system on a long kill that extended under the donut but rather on the back not work at all the linkages from the steering to the rudder and from the. [00:52:35] From the engine to the propulsion tapped out of the pit fans on the bottom of the holes so that would rotate is the better for the water and that's. All the visitors to get a 360 years review and a. Of course the faster the boat me or the faster the donut was spending most of the what could go wrong. [00:52:59] Now isn't sounding so you can. Sound. But anyway somewhere along the way I realize that I was assigning a carnival ride with a plan b. if I and other designing a boat train that had the the lead boat had the propulsion unit in the caption and limited seating and then it towed fasten your boat so cars and you could add or subtract the cars depending on the number of just as. [00:53:29] The model turned again I think brain that appreciated the fact that I. Dropped my insanity and moved on and he gave me one of his rare it is. Not good fun project. Jim Oliver do you have a paper project that you would like to tell us about No no I think. [00:53:54] It was most meaningful the very 1st one we in as the sophomore was it was a design problem. And all stakeholders and. At about. Bigger model that other and he woke up about. It work 50 to 50 different ways You can. Really tell the right. Orders to. Keep working to come up with students. [00:54:30] And. Stubbornest. Have got to. Lucian I'm. Quite satisfied with it. That's one of the characteristics that they. Were pushing us to do something better my only 45 more candlesticks to go. Carolyn you have a project you told us a little bit about the yes that was my seat at the infant care center that it had to be my favorite apps a little bit with you know I really like the chair project because I think every designer has a desire to have a chair and I think it's just in your in your d.n.a. but the next project as I recall was a desk and it unique aspects of it were I chose to do one for a very small living are so that it all folded up and it unfolded. [00:55:29] I I don't actually know what ever happened to it but I used it for years but I have this big giant Selectric typewriter the whole thing would move across the border but. I do remember that as I have it really I should have sold it to Ikea but. [00:55:51] Really the answer is No I do not have a favorite I in 60 years you can imagine I have done a awful lot of design work I do have general favorites and graphics and favorites and products that I produced over the years but I can't say I have a favorite in my student work after 65 years. [00:56:22] I guess regards. Instruction but very I have to say that I never had any difficulty in getting going to job or retaining. Customers clients I you know my career I had clients that I served at least 3 for well over 30 years each and done and that. Has got to say him and I were doing something right whether it was his. [00:56:55] His fault or her or my own. Skills learned. I could satisfy my clients. And I have to say I have not a great talent but I have a very solid education some of which came from the id department and. And the rest from industrial over from a Georgia Tech I would say and but I am a designer I'm a creator and always have been if it's what I do I love it as a son I gave up my last plant and folded my practice and not 2019 after 16 years. [00:57:46] And now I still design I don't get paid for it anymore but I design for a worthy operations like car month society that's the response I do not have any particular favorite student project and. It could be just because I don't remember many but what the one room schoolhouse thing is. [00:58:16] It is prominent in my mind these days I cannot remember if everybody worked on the same projects or if we had separate projects going simply cannot recall so it does anybody have last comment about your experience I know it was the classes are very small there was that it was very strict very rigorous obviously you know all very successful and any further Ok other comment you'd like to add thank them you know they were brought up. [00:58:57] But at the time I didn't appreciate what offers the untaught the were very telephone to push it all that. Well described tough well. I got out for a. With other students and. Residents much group trying to get down from writing it is. Well worth the tough. And I've lad may I add to what Karen was talking about because it really struck me that this is I think this is a real characteristic of the pilots the pot house was just the movement but it was a place where it didn't matter about your gender or your age or your sexual preference or all kinds of things that now we're all sort of waking up to at that time it was just part of what they were and you were in him really carried that he really had a clear. [01:00:03] Clear being around him that he expected you to. Not have those kinds of prejudices and it was interesting to hear your comment about that this week like we had a woman in our class through though you did. Have to find her. But there was that was one of the things it was just the way he was was like Ok it was a spree what good way to live your life and I he like women who by the way. [01:00:35] You see on his 2nd wife I think yes I also had a woman partner Maria Marianne run who are lambs and I don't mean that a negative way I mean it's like he was just really was like people it was it was clear that the president that may have existed. [01:00:55] Was with him was a really good example he was really interesting taking his if man walks. Is constitutional walk them and that time with Jack see you wouldn't interrupt him during that. 45 minutes or so he was having tea time. Seemed like all of the sort of rules and regulations were very clear if you knew you were in or you knew where the edges were yes all right I well I want to thank everybody for sharing their experiences today I think we have to do this again in about another year because every time we you know we sort of peel back layers and learn a little bit more about trade and. [01:01:42] Clearly he was a powerful influence and our idea program has now been here next year will be 70 years and it is the most popular miner at Georgia Tech of about $230.00 students taking id as a minor which is what we're really phenomenal because I know when you guys started out it was very small program by everybody I said all this to id people are down in the basement somewhere we don't know I don't know where they are. [01:02:15] But I think it's important to think about brain deck is that from from what I've learned from you and from the exhibition is that he thought of design a process it's also a tool to address. Issues and now that we are design thinking has become very popular notion in our culture it's so it's a way that we can address really pressing global issues that we face today so you know you guys are well equipped you know to go out there I know you've been out there already so. [01:02:54] And as we would say at Georgia Tech a design is a way that you can improve the human condition or make the world better. Thank you for coming really appreciate it and I hope you get to see more of the exhibition this afternoon when turn this back over risk to Gene French Thank you so. [01:03:12] Please join me in thanking everyone who's that this panel and this exhibition up will form of the Georgia Tech Lab or Oberst a museum for art and cultural history of how it foundation for Jennifer earth the consulate general council of general of Germany and the Georgia Tech School of invest 2. [01:03:38] And a special thanks to the Brighton **** family all former students embrace the contributions exhibit and program. It has been recorded will be archived at the Georgia Tech library we hope you'll join us for a future event in coordination with this exhibit April 8th we have a curator conversation that's Thursday April 8th and a book talk of the authors of the human race in the book on Sunday April 25th thank you for joining us and have a fabulous.