In addition to the regular
We also have a workshop this

year that will start right
here in this room and if you

design the interactive workshop
learning about the various relations.

So if you want people to do that.

Bring your laptop and
also register at home or

kind of time just as registered as
a user not what you actually do

so today Speaker versity

bachelor's degree or no work at
Motorola as a design engineer before or

finishing Vanderbilt University Purdue

mechanical engineering and also technology

is going to give us an introduction
to actually one of the you know

sort of do this with access or
you get some of it was just

a couple of weeks ago their cover story
feature articles were all about this.

Thank you thank you very much.

The Tribeca writer.

All right.

Perfect.

Well thank you very much.

It is a privilege to be here and
I'd like to thank the organizers but

also commend them for advocating for the.

Advancement of open access tools.

I think that it's certainly only
an understatement to say that

what we're talking about here is
we're in the middle of a revolution

that's changing the way that we do
science changing the way we do education.

And I'm actually I'm giving
the talk today as a.

As a user of the Nano hub more than a
developer I've developed a little bit for

it but I've been around from
the beginning of the Nano effort

which is also known by the name network
for computational nanotechnology and

the director of that is Gary Hart come
back the map you'll learn a little bit

more about as I go through the talk today
but Gary Hart is actually right now.

They're in Tokyo.

So that's why he couldn't be here and
I'm I'm standing in for

him but I think it's almost
better that that a user.

Who's been around doing this for
a long time is giving the talk today.

So here's a.

Here's a plot that you know most
people it's very fascinating and

you could just sit there and stare at it
there's an artistic quality to it as well.

What you're looking at here is a snapshot
and this is from earlier this calendar

year of the usage on the nano hub and

I'll talk more certainly about what
the Nano hub is and what it does but

you can try to see that that it
really is spread all over the world.

It is heavy on the on educational content

those are the red the red circles that
show up there in the size of the circle

is indicative of the intensity
of the activity and

still there's also quite a bit
of use of simulation tools so

those are simulation users in the yellow
and then new registrations as well and

it's spread out quite
broadly around the world and.

Every day you know we're we're
seeing a wave of new registrations

we have well I think according to
the projections I think by the end of

next year we expect to be somewhere
around half a million and you'll users.

You can see that were it to eighty one
right now two hundred eighty one thousand.

So I want my main purpose today is
to inspire you to use the Nano hub.

I will say that shamelessly I think
it's a really interesting tool.

It's wonderful to use as an academic
teacher my students benefit from it

as a researcher I benefit from it and
all of the richness that it can bring and

also it's not just it's
not a static entity.

One of the greatest parts of it is
that it can grow it can get better but

really it's only going to improve with use
from the from the broader community and

that certainly includes you in places
like Georgia Tech and elsewhere.

So I'll go through some of the some of the
answers to the questions that you see here

and a little bit gets technical but
I'll try to avoid that too much.

But essentially what is it.

What does it do.

How do we know whether it's working.

And importantly when it's not and

what what is How could it
impact this open community.

So just just to note the Nano hub for

better or worse and
I think it's mostly better.

We'll be here for another decade or so

because the funding was renewed by
the National Science Foundation and

and I think that's really
important to to say that.

When you have an effort
of this magnitude having

a backing of a federal agency in this
case but it really stable backing has.

Been crucial so that we could think
long term about how to build this thing.

And so we went through the first ten years
and we were able to in the early years.

Think about what we would
like it to be five or

ten years later and we didn't have so
much of the pressure of

the next quarterly report although
there were plenty of those.

But we knew that this was going to persist
and now it's going to go even longer.

So the the the vision is to create an
online society of mainly researchers but

certainly learners in general in
the area of nanotechnologies and

really we want to find mechanisms
where this community can work together

in new ways and new is a word
that could be interpreted in many

many different contexts and I think that
the way that we had envisioned it from

the beginning was that we wanted to create
a community especially where simulation

tools were shared where instead of writing
that paper where you have a ten thousand

line code that solving some transport
problem in a nano object and

you show the results in a research
paper but the code stays with you.

We wanted to to allow easy
access to that to those sorts

of simulation tools so that the community
could use them and also contribute to them

according to what the what the the people
the content generators desired.

We have a pretty fairly equal
balance between learning and

research and it shifting over time and

we'd like to to really this bottom line
is a place that is a great passion for

me to translate nano science
into nanotechnology one of the.

I think very legitimate
criticisms of nanotechnology is

that it has been fairly
slow to translate into.

Into the marketplace and
that's not a universal condemnation but

it's certainly something where
the subject is so complex.

You can get something to work well in
one nano object but you need to have

billions usually of nano objects working
together in order to have an impact at

the human scale and that we haven't been
quite so good at as a community I think.

So we'd like to to create this
place where people can interact and

that includes industry and you'll see
there's a quite a bit of industrial

participation in the Nano hub much more so
on the watcher side rather than

the contributor but but
we'd like that to grow as well.

The contributions from industry and also
to really define new standards I'm very

very interested in the way of
using online technology for

teaching and
I'll tell some anecdotes about that

in the midst of it right now with
the class that I'm teaching at Purdue.

We have a new effort called
Nano hub you that that

kind of maps onto the much larger nano
hub effort and this is our way of putting

nanotechnology more formal nanotechnology
teaching into the open online society.

So we'd like to again look

at at the use and some of the statistics
and I'll show since this to sticks today.

I won't necessarily talk about them in
great detail because I think the numbers

speak for themselves.

If you look at this this boom there
are a couple of key events and

I'll show you those along the way where
you see a strong uptick in the usage and

you know we're getting to
the point now where we're reaching

again I think we're projected
to go into the toward.

Half a million.

And users per year which is a heavy usage
base so there are some issues about how do

you create a cyber infrastructure that
can handle that kind of activity.

If you have been reading your newspaper
that's an issue in Washington D.C.

these days too.

Not not so trivial and so the lectures
the online lecture content is also

very important to us and
getting to this there's a there's a chart.

That we will that will.

I want to show you.

So one of the things that we like to
do and really need to do because N.S.F.

demands it is to assess user behavior and
that that means that we actually.

We'd like to know some details about the
user without being too Big Brother ish.

But N.S.F. really wants to know that
information are you more of a researcher

Are you more of a learner and or
are you some hybrid of both and

how can we automatically assess your
behavior without becoming intrusive

because that kind of understanding
helps us to build better tools and

to build a better online community.

So one of the things that we
we've done over the years is

to identify usage patterns those
of you who are fans of the movie

of The Matrix series you'll this
may be somewhat familiar to you but

there is no savant that can turn
what you see into some kind of some

kind of language but nevertheless
we try to track the types of users

using different tools different resources
on the hub and what happens over time.

Do they kind of fade away are they
upgraded are there ways that

we can sense that a certain user community
is looking for more but it's not there.

Those are deeper questions that are not so
easy to assess but

the but that's what we'd like to do.

Literature sites.

Citations are becoming easier to track and

I think as we all know as faculty
members we many have transitioned from

paper counting to citation counting as
a measure of success or goodness in this

case what we're showing is the literature
citations from different groups and

the circled area is from our from the core
nano hub developer teams and universities.

And so then there are sort of an edge.

There's an edge a bridge that goes to the
outside and there are other small clusters

that are not in that in that
the core developer community that

means the funded group of developers and
they're doing things on their own and

that part of it is growing actually
faster than the middle part.

So what we'd like to do is to
is to track the type of use.

And there are a lot of different ways to
look at this many different perspectives.

I'm going to show you here a graph and
then it will go live in a second or

life on my computer but what we have
were plotting two different tools

by different colors here and whether
they are whether the user of that tool

is an educational person if they
are that's a value of one on the X. axis.

If there are strictly research user there
it's that's a value of one on the Y.

axis and if we're not sure then that
is a that's somewhere between zero and

one on the other things.

So it's sort of an unknown user type.

And as we look at this what we'd like
to see of course is that research tool

that the line between a research tool and
an educational tool becomes blurred and

that to us is a sign of success
mainly because we're educators right.

But we also do research.

We are educators at research institutions.

So we would like to see this
basically align as much as

possible between the unity of.

The use on the two axes that would
be ideal for us it means that

what we're doing and research is also
trends translating into education and so

if you look at this and
the time evolution of the tools.

You'll see that they've grown
quite a bit over the years and

I'll have a little bit more to say about
that this is a live chronological.

Animation that shows what happened so
N.C.S. started around in late two thousand

and two and then what happened is we
created a this thing called Rapture

which is a wrapping software that allows
you to put a front end in the back and on

your on your research code and when that
happened things started to really pick up.

And then we got into a better way of
contributing your tools and then that

we saw another uptick and you'll see that
you know we have a lot of tools on me.

Y. axis that are so just sticking there.

Those are tools that have that
are you know strictly research but we

still kind of start to see things filling
in and shifting down to the right and

what we do of course like to see as I said
before is that we'd like to see this kind

of convergence in the middle of these
tools and see the tools maybe even move

from research to education and that
really means that it's been successful.

Personally I've been focused on
the educational use tools of fairly simple

things because most of the time
I'm mostly an experimentalist and

so we use tools usually to
interpret experimental data and

those tend to be a little bit simpler and

therefore more amenable to at
educational use as we look at this.

You'll see that there are a lot of
different colors many many many different

tools and I would say I'm
a mechanical engineer by training and

that's my home department.

Most of the tools are in the electrical
engineering domain but more and

more they're having we're seeing
contributions from biotechnology.

G. in particular some work on
just straight materials and

also a few from mechanical
engineering my my home domain.

Not so much in yet coming from science
although we'd like to see more of that and

certainly there are some
places outside of producing

namely at Northwestern where
they're using it for chemistry and

a lot of different things so
many opportunities for growth here.

So what.

What can you find a nano hub
I just started to explain it.

Really anything that someone in
the community is willing to share.

There are again a lot of users a lot of
contributors and hopefully there are.

New contributors in this room and
later this afternoon.

You'll have a chance to
to go through a workshop

live workshop where you can
you can use some of the tools.

This is what the front end
looks like the home pages.

You know there's a lot of different
ways to make a home page.

I think that the software engineers and
the the programmers web programmers

have different philosophies about
what looks like a clean web page and

what's you know how it's supposed to look
this is it's a very crowded home page and

I think that's because there's
just a lot of content on here.

I use it.

I go to my endo home page.

Literally every day at least once
usually many many times largely

because I'm teaching a course that
that is embedded inside the Nano hub.

But I also use it for tools and I use
it for looking up different different

things on the nano topical content
that I would be using in class and

a lot of times in research.

There's a way to highlight new things in

the featured area especially if
a tool is just been launched and and

the folks in the Nano hub think that it
will have a high user base usually because

it would be from a contributed
from someone who has a.

Record of having high use tools other new
things can can be listed there as well.

If you write a tool I've done this.

I don't know half a dozen times and
when I write a new tool it is featured.

It's always featured for a little while
on that on the front page which is nice.

It's nice when I'm always writing
them with students and so

the students really really like that they
like to say buy my tool that I wrote and

took a lot of time and effort to create is
now featured on this and I hope site where

there are a quarter million people
today annually using this thing.

There's a number of things and again the
tutorial today will go through a growth go

through this in much greater detail so I
will probably give it just a short intro.

But you have the usual pull down menus and

you can list the resources
are listed according

to different categories and there's
a lot of cross listing that goes on and

frankly this is one of the most
challenging things in the world is is

a lecture a learning module or is it part
of a course and how do we how do we filter

through all of these things and make sure
that a user who needs access to content

can find it through many different routes
and so that's built into the system.

It's something that we're always trying
to work to improve tools are kind of

the the heart of the of the Nano hub in
the sense that these are simulation tools

so the Nano hub today is
very much oriented toward.

Simulation of physics.

We would like to see much more
on the experimental side.

That's a tougher thing to to incorporate
because the database has to be right.

Very user friendly experimentalist
don't generally like to spend as

much time on a computer as.

As a computational person that's sort of
self selection and so making that easy.

That's also something that we're
looking for ideas from the community

engagement to help with getting more
experimental data onto the hub.

Presentation materials are are there
we use it in courses the courses

are there is the number
of courses is vast and

different faculty use the Course the Nano
hub for their courses in different ways.

Sometimes it's just using a tool
as an example in class or

something that you have the students
use for a homework problem.

Other times for example what I do is I
put my lectures my recorded lectures on

through the Nano hub and have the students
use those and then we flip the classroom

and do that sort of thing I've
become a fan of something called

computer ball document format that's
the Wolfram Mathematica player for

their That's free where that can be
embedded into a course for example.

And that's again for these educational
tools but you'll see that.

We can look at topics and
audiences that we're really trying to map

the learner space and
the topical content and

what's resonating with with which user
community or learner community and

so you can do fairly
complex learning assessment

through tools on the hub
through through the hub itself.

And there's more to do in that space
as well it's a very very active

area of interest and investment that is.

STEM education basically and
so there are ways to do that.

Tracking and
they're getting better all the time.

So if you look at this.

What is it one of the educational levels.

And again these these topical areas.

Here's a one of our most
popular classes on campus.

This is a electrical engineering course
that's taught typically by superhero Datta

or Markland's term sometimes by
Gary Hart who's the director of this and

students from all over campus take this
course including many of mine from

mechanical engineering and
that has been a very important

benchmarking kind of a guinea
pig course where we've

used a lot of the tools invented a lot
of the tools in the class and we've also

used this flipped model with online
education and I'll talk about in a bit.

Some new courses this is a course
on reliability of electronics and

this is taught by Professor Ashraf
alarm who's a fantastic teacher and

you can see that on the course page.

I think you can see my cursor here
on the upper right side you can view

the Course Lectures with this
you can also get podcasts.

And then you can see
the slides in the notes and so

the slides can become available.

I think for the faculty in
the room you can put as much or

as little on here as you want you
could you could put a video but

not your slides you could put your slides
in powerpoint format or in P.D.F. format.

It's really up to you and very flexible.

This is a kind of the evolution
of the Course where idea.

It has gone into something
called Nano hub you.

These are courses that are not
university credit bearing

but they are and they're put into five
week modules the idea at first was that

if someone wanted to quilt together
a nanotechnology curriculum.

They could do it in.

Five week modules instead of the usual
fifteen or sixteen weeks of Mestre which.

The way I put it is you know the sixteen
week semester was defined based

on how long it took to get to
campus in a horse and buggy right.

And so you know that we're much
more mobile today certainly in

the United States and even around
the world and the five week model is

much more digestible not only for
on campus students but also for

people in industry they can spend a little
bit over a month and kind of just get

after the learning that they need and
so we've we've gone through this.

Now what I've done and

superhero data is that the top there
Mark one stream is on the bottom right.

And I wonder if struck and we've all
taken these five week modules and

mapped them into credit bearing on campus
courses of our own I'm in the middle

of doing it right now superimposed
on it once he's doing it again.

Mark and.

And I one hundred or are doing
the same and it's very effective.

I could stand up and give you a twenty
minute testimonial on how I how great I

think the flipped classroom can
be not always is but can be and

what we have we built an infrastructure
to really deliver the content

not just these are not just You Tube
videos we have online quizzes that

are automatically graded we have online
exams that can be multiple choice and

therefore online graded we also
have we have homework I do.

Khan Academy style homework
tutorials that I put on the class.

There's great rich content and then I
have simulation tools that I am bed and

the other faculty do as
well into the class to

solve homework problems in fact
I put them on exams as well.

You have to use the tool in order
to answer the exam problem so

it's much more interactive then the usual.

I think.

Style thing not nothing against moves but
but there's a lot.

More to it than just
a You Tube video of a lecture.

So looking at the tools.

There are ways of again we're interested
in in understanding the audience and

the topics and again most of these topics

they tend to migrate towards electrical
engineering you can see that.

Looking at the taxonomy this is really
something where we're trying to get

to that richness of assessment
understanding who is looking at the tool.

What topic.

What topic they're most interested in and
somehow using that

to to enrich their experience online and
that means that a lot of times it means

building a tool set that has
a more of a thematic bent to it.

So if there's something in solving
Schrodinger's equation for example.

But there's nothing yet in quantum
tunnelling then we would want to

as an enrichment of that we'd want
to put those two things together and

we're trying to do more and more of that
and by we I really mean the community.

I don't just mean the people
I mean the user community I

don't mean the people that are doing
the programming of the Nano hub.

So this is one of
the the tools looks like I

actually use this tool it's the crystal
viewer tool in class and Tanya.

Fulton's is here.

She'll do the Tauriel
after the lecture today.

And so
I'm not going to go through this one.

There's a speak through video but
you can actually see that later.

I will just tell you it is immensely
powerful because when I have

to teach McKee a bunch of mechanical
engineers about atomic structure.

Right.
I could do all sorts of things with my

hands and on the board but to have them
in the classroom going through and

having a three dimensional viewer and
going out.

Clicking a button defining
their crystal structure.

Are choosing it seeing case space
seeing reciprocal space for

the first time in their lives.

It's so much more powerful for them to
be doing it interactively that it is for

me to give a dry lecture
on that subject and

I can tell you that that the uptake in
the class that I teach now that I'm using

the tools in the flipped classroom model
the uptake is has doubled or tripled.

I mean I think I'm pretty sure
that when I was lecturing before

that only about a quarter of
the students really got it

when I was up in a two
dimensional blackboard writing.

Crystal structure case space.

So it's a very powerful.

This is a this is a example of
an electrical engineering class and

they look at the gate structure and
you're able to this is very important.

You're able to simulate transistors and

you know I'm a mechanical engineer I keep
saying that the transistor is the thing

that really drove nanotechnology
to what it is and

I think that it's crucially important for
students to be able to understand how

transistors work by actually tweaking
it by using a simulation tool by

understanding what happens when you change
the gate oxide thickness and so forth.

Even it's important for mechanical
engineers to understand these things and

it's so much better when you have tools
that you can use in this case you're

actually there integrating
it with experimental data.

And here's a here's an example of of it.

Output from a simulation tool
of a of a transistor device.

Here's a little bit

more fancy electrical engineering device
where you're getting into nano wires.

I think that probably if Georgia Tech
is very much like produce.

They're kind of bored of silicon and so

they're we're trying to find the
replacement for silicon and usually that.

Structure takes a sort of
a one dimensional form.

It could be a two or
a cylinder and then a wire and

we wrap around the gate and
we say you know if we did this right.

If we were able to create
this structure we would have

a device that transistor that
has a better trans duct and

than silicon and
everyone says yes let's go do it but then.

The real world gets in the way and
we have to make a billion

of them perfectly every time in
order to compete with Silicon So

that's another part I think the single
device thing you can definitely do

the simulation getting to the place
where we're doing many many many devices

at Silicon integration scales
is still an open issue.

All my presentations.

There are many of them I
go to the Nano hub for.

If I want to learn a subject that's
somewhat deep in nanotechnology

I don't go to Wikipedia I go to nano and
and seven times out of ten.

There is an online tutorial
thirty to fifty minutes long and

online presentation that from
the world's leading expert or

one of them that can teach me that
subject and so I enjoy it very much.

I know the students do as well.

There are there's a growing interest

nationally as you well know and

really connecting the science
of computation to materials and

understanding how you put together high
performance computing with advanced

material simulation and
ultimately with transport and

the phrase that is captured captures
that is the materials genome concept and

I know that Georgia Tech is that
the leading edge of this but

really understanding the atomic
structure usually of

heterogeneous materials
is is a grandchild.

An area of research and I don't think
we're going to get very far unless we do

we're a lot smarter about
the way we do computations.

And so we're very active in this
we'd like to do much more of course.

And here is where you get
you reach a point where

you want to learn how to do it and then
you'd love to be able to execute that.

So you want to be using density
functional theory or something or

maybe molecular dynamics or
a combination thereof and

how do you do it when you have
even a MacBook Air which I love

I love that computer it's just
not powerful enough to run it.

Well this is a way to where
we can get you a portal into

a supercomputer network to
run codes like that and

we do it already a little bit in a sort
of a specialized way for doing heavy duty

research research codes through the Nano
hub and basically you just have a Web

browser window where you can run
a code that sitting on a supercomputer

somewhere else either at Purdue or tapping
into the national network and it works.

And it's much of course you couldn't
even imagine doing something like that.

Running a P.C. and so
it's very powerful and

especially when you combine it
with the educational content.

I think that another thing for
nanotechnology that.

That is very important for
us to understand appreciate and

exploit is the third dimension.

I told you before that
without the transistor.

Technology would not be and
because the transistor created

to a great extent it created the wealth
that allowed people to invest in the end

of technology more and more and
then there are all these offshoots and

I think that the next big thing will be
going to three dimensions of course those

of you who know transistors Well you know
that you're already in the third dimension

with the Fin FET I think that kind of
is two and a half dimensions but the.

Point is that we really have
another dimension to use

in nanotechnology that hasn't
been exploited very much.

And so how do we do that and so that we
have lectures in this in this case from

Carrie Bernstein on on three
dimensional nanostructures and

I think that's you know something that's
that's very merging leading edge and

there is much much much
more to be done there.

We also work on energy transport this is.

This is a area that's near and dear to me
this with these were some lectures that.

Elissa Curry gave.

Back when he was at the University of
California Santa Cruz and I guess.

Apparently we liked him so much.

We just hired him at Purdue.

He's now the director of
our nanotechnology center.

But really is a world class
researcher in thermoelectric so

and in this case he was looking
at that hotspot cooling and

understanding how heat is
generated in transistors.

I mean heat transfer expert myself that
sort of how I got into nanotechnology and

so I think electrical engineers every day
because they're so wasteful they create so

much extra heat that someone has to
deal with it and so this is an issue and

you know energy transport kind of in
the context for electrical engineering

there's much more going on Allissa Cory's
actually in the middle of teaching right

now a nano hub You course on thermal
electrics which is going very well.

And so
energy conversion devices energy storage.

Those are topics that are coming in.

We'll have courses on batteries.

We welcome MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH
more activity contribution

in the area of energy.

However you define it frankly there's

a critical mass of information there on
the on the hub already but there are so.

Much more to be done because as I tell my
electrical engineering friends the scale

of energy is multitude larger even
than the scale of transistors and

the electronics industry so
there's a lot more to do and

we would like to engage
anyone interested in that.

So how do you how can
you impact a community.

I don't really I'm not so
much of a Salesman and

this is sort of a cheeky comment of course
you have to contribute something right.

That's the best way to to to engage and
I can tell you as a contributor and

there's a little bit of vanity here
I don't do it all that often but

I do click on my home page of the Nano hub
and look at my contributions and who's

using what don't you go do it right now
because it's really not that impressive.

OK but.

It's nice to see it inspires you.

It motivates you.

If you're just an observer a watcher and
a user.

That's fine but there's so much more
to it and it can really engage you.

It can captivate you in a way and

it changes the dynamic of your
in gauge it with this community.

Not with this website.

But with this community when you become
a contributor beyond being a user or

a watcher.

OK.

So this is Gary Hart's page.

What's his impact as an author get
hard as you as you may know is

a person who does quantum
simulations of nano electronics.

He has a tool called NEEMO five and

I actually gave a briefing about it
to the Navy a couple months ago and

I thought that it was like
inspired by Disney but

it wasn't it's called me most dance for
a nano electronics modeling.

So it's very bland but
good hard himself is not a bland guy and

he is he has created these
tools that go all the.

OK from the simple teaching thing so
that material crystal structure

that I showed you before he was one
of the people that created that and

then he has this NEEMO five simulation
tool of nano nano wire transistors

where it won't run unless you tap into
the Oakridge supercomputer right.

That's the the range that he has and

he should because he's
the director of this whole thing.

And you can have that I mean especially
people in the simulation community that's

that's the the possibility so
you can go to usage.

Gary Hart has made an astounding three
hundred ninety eight contributions

and and served tens of thousands of users.

He's ranked number two I'm not
sure who number one is right now.

I don't know.

So we'll have to maybe you can look that
up but he it's really impressive what he's

done and he leads by example which I like
to see that's sort of the producer and

I think it's also
the Georgia Tech way frankly.

This is this is usage.

If we look at impact.

Again we're at that two hundred
eighty some thousand users.

The way that it's growing.

You've seen the charts I don't have to
tell you it's going to half a million and

it'll take another year to be
a million users and it's going up.

So what I'd say about that you know
the numbers are one thing I think that

what it says is that the hub itself
has reached critical mass which for

websites just just generic
kind of Web sites.

That's critical.

You can have the best web experience.

But if you don't have critical mass that
it's just not going to happen right.

You can ask Microsoft these things right.

If they or Yahoo.

When they're when they're trying
to compete they have really good.

Technologies often but for
some reason it doesn't.

Reza.
What the user community or

there are the somewhere else.

I think that's what happens often and
the inertial barrier of switching is too

high so I think that nano
hub is that critical mass.

But the way that it really gets to where
it needs to be is that it's not viewed

as a producer thing anymore it's viewed
more like when I was a young student.

The end.

S.C.A. the national
supercomputer network right.

You kind of knew that Illinois was
there and San Diego was there but

you didn't feel like
like that was the there

was a one to one mapping identity
with the supercomputer resources and

in particular university and
that's that's where we'd like to go.

So to have this impact again.

Certainly it looks like critical mass.

We have We'd like you to sign up.

That's the first step and
so it's very important

if you're going to stick around for
the tutorial with Dr Fulton's and

I hope that you will because it
will be it will be wonderful.

Then do us a favor and sign up right now
so that you can get all of your logon

credentials done before she
starts at two o'clock and

you can we now have this thing I guess
everyone has a Facebook account.

So you can actually sign
in through Facebook.

I don't use that I mean I have a Facebook
account just to track my teenage kids and

make sure they're not doing anything
wrong and Facebook but that's it.

But you can use that or Google and

then come come at two o'clock and
you'll see it in action.

So with that I end my talk
with again appreciation for

your attention and
the privilege of being here.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

I can't believe I didn't
say that every yes it's

all free to use it is all free
to use now there are some.

Things that are spinning out that for

example Gary Hard's NEEMO five tool.

It has some features in it that
have some software history so

if you wanted to get sort of the full
blown tool that's a research

grade tool then I think that there's
some other thing you have to do but for

the event you can still use the name
of five core tool for free and

virtually all of those tools are are free.

Yes.

It's a great question and

I have not been at the table at all those
conversations I was more of the one like

you asking the questions along the way
the answer that I got early on.

So this would be two thousand and five or
so was we don't know exactly but we'll

we'll monitor it and look at see what
the community how the rating system works.

So there is a community rating
system that is that to me.

I've never seen something where it looks
like it's being gamed for the positive or

the negative and it's fairly active
although frankly as if I could make

a request of the user community do more
rankings of things I think that we have

one of the things we lots of users not
very many rankings we like to see more you

can you can click the anonymous button and
you can be anonymous in that process so

open peer and anonymous peer
rating system is what we use and

I think there's been a couple of instances
where there was some technical something

technically incorrect about a tool when
it was discovered it was that tool

was taken offline and the staff worked
with the with the authors to correct it.

But it's hard to get one hundred percent
of that maybe Tanya knows a little bit

more than I do about that in particular
but my sense is that the commune.

The rating system works well and

its main problem is that not enough
people actually rate the tools.

Simulation.

There are it's three hundred ish.

It's a good it's a good question.

I think for you Tony.

I think I probably didn't say enough
about about collaboration in here how you

collaborate there are groups that
you can create user groups I that's

the mechanism that I use for my class so
I make a user group that is my class

you could make a user group that is your
research team that could be all spread all

around the world and that I find it
to be very powerful because now each

group has built into it the ability
to make wikis and announcements and

calendars and and tools you can actually
create tools that are just available for

your group getting to the point of about
databases so the trickiest part is.

Is getting user users to
release their data to

kind of get over the mental barrier
of whatever it is that makes

researchers not want to release their
raw data and there are different.

Different barriers but they they all kind
of a About the same order of magnitude and

size and so that's one thing but
then also the ease of use for

entering your data and
to qualifying your data certifying it.

I think it's not there yet.

We're not I've done a couple of things for

kind of many experimental databases and of
course it doesn't have to be experimental

The modelers are more than happy
to provide data usually or

the at least their source or their
their executable is the experimental so

when an experimentalist writes a paper
typically And I'm guilty of this too.

We have reams of data from from the lab
but something might have gone wrong.

We don't know if there's an anomaly.

We want to redo this
experiment because we think

that that we could have done it better.

And so.

The end result is a paper where
there's a graph or a set of graphs

with experimental data plotted and
usually we really polish that up.

So the reviewers like it.

It looks clean we put error bars on it.

We usually candid about the uncertainty.

But there's a lot of background
data that's not in there and so

how do we actually get people to
put that in as well with whatever

caviar they want to put on it.

I think that that is
an important step that I don't

have a clear answer on how to
actually make that happen but

I do know it won't happen at all without
a much cleaner user interface and

make it easier for the experimentalists
to put their data online because

most experimentalists that I know
are easily frustrated by computer

snafu Xin glitches and they just go
away after if it doesn't work right.

And he the first time.

So I'd love to work with you on that as
my final answer sold right back to you.

Good you

spend the points on features that you
would like to see added to the SO

I CAN I once upon a time and
I can't remember the context.

I built up quite a few points
because I put a lot of tools on and

a decent amount of hits and
I put all of my point.

There was something about
I think it was in a wiki.

I wanted them to be able to go I know what
it was I wanted them to be able to embed

the C.D.F.
player which is that Wolfram computer

document format player into a wiki page.

OK so
you could just basically port the C.D.F.

file and it would show up
if you if you had the plug.

If the user had the plug and
it would show up inside the wiki page.

I put all of my points on to that and
a week and

a half later it was there so it can work.

Thank

you very much.