So this is the first of two series everything you do this is the master. Being held by the English committee and today we were talking about. This idea of bias and the use of technology particularly in the composition classroom. And we have the right we're going to do it up just quickly overviews up for articles that we've been looking at all then I have looked at this article by myself and self. And the title of battle article. I have the union the politics of beginning to feel powerless exercise of electronic contact is when somebody talk a little bit about that I'm not going to sell experience when it comes to dealing with U.S. immigration I just kind of bring it back around to some of the the challenges that we think our students may be encountering when we ask them to use technology in the classroom for many means going to our I look at an article by was sick and with a title like that article Welcome to the digital age the age of digital imperialism OK and then and that's going to be with all of them just have about five minutes to talk about the article. The articles that we've read it Gabriel is going to do the film on C article and back title. Politics of cool with it and then fear is going to run the song with the Friedman article and that is Sarah Palin. OK great and then what we're going to do is for the fleet's allow take us about fifteen minutes just to kind of getting orientation to the articles and then the next fifteen minutes would be an open discussion. So I want to thank you all for being here this has really become an issue that's been very important to me and really it's only until I got to be U.S. in two thousand and eight that I really understand what it meant to cross the border. And that's almost strange to see because growing up in the Caribbean to go anywhere you have to cross a border I mean you live in an area and the so it's not like in the states where you people aren't driving and you just go through speeds up the speed up the steep every trip was about a border that we had to cross the south and south article from me with significance which to me since it's it's a fairly old article in one nine hundred ninety five article and. They start off with sort of the ALEC do it about. Scenario but Carney who experiences what it means to go through the U.S. Immigration. And there are pretty much every year I have to go through U.S. Immigration this and last trip back in in January was really striking to me because I'm usually very sure when a conversation in immigration is not going well at. This time I thought it was going well and I was a teen for two and a half hours and it's probably something that most of you will never experience but the idea being that he is an immigration really for me has become an issue of legitimacy and I find that to be so interesting because on the one hand you presented immigration with all of people not just your people as these are people is that the government of the U.S. the U.S. or the of required the embassy years has said that you are legitimate for want of a better way. But there is the proof for the judge must see that a U.S. immigration officer needs and I and you never know what that looks like you don't know if it's if it's in the absence. Of. If it's in what you see it's how you see it it's the way that you look it's just this proof that's required and if if there's any sort of disc. Connects And there you get the tier. And so what south and south we're proposing is that in the same we that we have borders to me shuns very much like that the computer interface provides some sort of move forward as well and some need to prep provide some. In the using it of supporting the just amazing it's new self if be able to do that well and it got me thinking about the big hangs of challenges that our security particularly our non-native English speaking students experience when we asked them to use to do research using the Internet when we asked them to do a presentation perhaps use this Power Point or presence. And that they are perhaps a number of hoops that they have to jump through that we lines aware of the not that we are deliberately build bias into our classroom in the way that we design our courses but perhaps by simply asking them without any real critique of technology are asking now until age with technology that Magnus's is still to our classroom and still the south and south in particular to it was striking to me that we were talking about issues that we are now just dealing with so. Twenty all articles talking about the fact that the hand we use a nick the the Macintosh computer was this the site of this white hand and for an article the twenty years or the fact that we're now looking at color in which he is twenty years later is really striking to me so the article in some weird seems dated when you read it but you realize these are still very current issues and the idea that we asked our students didn't you to come into pieces that is very western and very. Focused on corporate America. And that they are new interfaces that have been developed but that the. Record with ballots or look like a kitchen all reflect things that other people do one of the basis on that is that it will meet all valuable are legitimate and is so. I mean the most striking thing is there are big they're asking us to consider particularly compositional classroom that we not only become critical. Of the technology that we use in terms of understanding. What's involved but they also ask us and I think this is the most significant take are we to become participants in the creation of the technology of the day we have that we can think about not least of which is quitting but we can think about being involved really actual creation of a technology that that we use on a daily basis and one handed over to all go out on just to share some of her insights I'm not a logical and when experience is thank you I'm going to have more integration leads. Because I happen to be a citizen of one country a permanent resident of another and I happen to be working in the third one so I cross borders all the time and I think it's important to talk about the context in which it is done because every single time I have different conversations depending on which for Cross for example when I'm coming into the United States where I come from work and this is my twelfth year of living in the United States I usually get the question of So where in front and then I don't know what to answer because I am from Russia but I'm a permanent resident of Sweden and this is my twelve year of living here. So we have a problem with identity and again this is what I tell them and then I see that people use because this is nonstandard this is not the answer that usually get and naturally it would be easier to just place a person in one category categorize and then the way they know. How to do with that scenario but because I'm a typical So receptionist it takes them a while to figure out how. When I cross the Swedish border it's interesting that they switch to English immediately as soon as they see that my passport is with this they start speaking English but then I have to switch to British because I'm dealing with the issue of legitimization I have to prove to them that I am from interest and speak the language and then the question that I usually get is where to live. Which address really want to make sure that you know I have them stop when I stop really but they don't ask me about my job or where I'm from it's just all right and then when I cross the Russian border the only question that I get is usually job to leave it so where do you work the kind of work. And then we have an exciting conversation about what technical communication is not that much because it is a very American feeling most people in Europe have no I do notice it. And I just you know from experience because it's been a while since you know if I'm doing this I just tell them OK think writing instructions of English in the budget. But it took me several guests to figure it out because usually when I say technical communication they think jesus Yes related to George and. You know. You have to figure that out so the context is different in each case and my response is different and the issues that people are worried about or are interested in are different and I think that it's interesting to keep that in mind in support and to keep that in mind in the classroom as well so the students might be crossing the waters in different contexts and another story that I have is connected with my teaching experience that I had in Sweden where I worked with mostly international students and I use Google Drive was always for peer review and then my students were supposed to send me an invitation you know go through the use of process an invitation to the document that you were working on. At that point and then I started getting e-mails in Spanish or French and you know I could deleting them because I couldn't see them but then I figured out that I will later that those were the invitations and by my students from France and Spain because they're all it's different. And you would have to be a signal before you start. With Google So that's another story that's connected with the Google international waters and with all that you know and I think it's very just be aware of those issues and keep them in mind and keep suspicion on this campus to get. The I.Q. of one hundred over to even though I have a very very short say that was in the New York Times Magazine and again it by a lockpick Welcome to the age of digital imperialism. And I can chose this one because I mean in all of my eleven o two clocks the place it seemed around colonization imperialism right and so I was really just reading this I want to read more about this because it deals with borders in a little bit different way than what you friend I'm talking about so one quote from the piece that I was particularly drawn to is you know from the valleys from Silicon Valley's perspective the power to share looks less like an imposition of American values and more like a universal social good and so that made me think about my own classes where you know a lot of the conversations that we have are about all these implicit meanings and taxi you know about you know cultural colonization and if you're a little bit of it and then at the same time I'm having them use you know Google Drive all different types of you know Google platform. You too. You know and a lot of the time here I tell them just to figure it out themselves all of the. All of the projects in my class have a team element to it so I tell them someone in your team probably knows how to do this or you can figure it out together. And so with that I mean you know there's all kinds of implicit values that I am conveying to them right and you know I'm standing behind all these different technologies and I know that I haven't really been thinking about it very critically so I would like to you know Catherine that out there and I have this other quote on the board as well that's a bit more. Heavy laden with all the difference you just the way that it's talking about like. You know sharing technology. You know invent jello cool type. Since Rico you repot Sure yeah. So the other quote was that an old fashioned one nine hundred centuries imperialism the Christian evangelist made a pretense of traveling to separately from the conquering cooling of horses but in digital imperialism everything troubles those why and the form of the splendid technology itself salvation and Empire missionary and magistrate Bible and gun. Sort of Sound The further I was there were ways that you. You know address this in your class there are thought of authors that you know. We think might be thinking about it now. We'll come back to the question sure. I. Just missed this article I'm. Sure legions and so I just want to insult. Our friends but. If you did this to know this really what we're talking about this these are. Of pushing one digital. Engine of the visible. Technology and losers in this for how much and swarms of presentation and the end good interface that includes the promises of processors and dials social and hard to book what this article focuses on is I think what is this deeper more insidious level of if you change that in the jeep but the language is still my estimates the image is like it's a superficial change and so I want to talk about those polling just influence theory of derivatives that computer lend themselves have a lot of licit who knew that some small gospel bias built. This isn't getting it through and I think it's really tested my memory because you know. Six years ago and good but you know really did the different global economic dominance from the language of the world and that this is really high destructions for control of the market even though the labels wars with middle market for all of that in the end of the user and the rider in our grocery reoccupation and control speed up and who makes money on ethanol which I don't really enjoy reading and getting into preserving they are. Great for us if you need to down mind something that goes left to right and up to down on that stabilizes tax and that describes the standard needs protection it's title holes injured titles things that exist in every culture every language and that it doesn't allow for any cultural variation but most I think I'm equally compelling is not only that it doesn't allow for us to represent all or fulfill our lives in the ways that may have new connection or for a love of the good. For years which really this X.M.L. is going to that it does a lot of the shoot digital types that it still names things into print books so again this issue did you face to face can look like the new kind of book that's coming behind it is really do you know diligently on deliberately or from. The unit which is the industry standard for the feelings in which it really only allows one to make sure. The mission is and that things are deviant error that traditional Chinese linkages are based on. That they're treated as such and so and work arounds as if there is a new I mean they didn't this one thing about Chinese like they're always work around having languages but they're not problems with interpreter with the rest of us he really helped her board it aboard terms of Europe was a fusion of a traditional character from going to work if you wanted water moving from one page to the next or you want to you want to go to hell in the US and I was really intrigued because I think that you know again but here goes you kind of like. Just. Like you know it's a superficial change right and that's part of what we're talking about and it reminded me a lot that I'm nineteenth century in the common language that was further inherited which English language of literature is going to be exported out that would allow him to write the obit of course we all know that in the English you have the man to deal in English not that it. And so I. Have to believe this would be a big problem for students to rewrite the way there is a little bit there's new work around except where it's not like one is enough for a lot well what was really. Interesting. As I was reading this reminded me of this from my rights to hear more about them through school kids speech returns are lots of must be always close and it doesn't work the digital computer really on the computer via is like that is like so long ballet that using the H.B.O. show Girls like we're going to meet ups shiver and change the world it's this very different living out between the monetise and changing the world like there's not a DOESN'T LOVE discussion. Like this that's what's going on and still sounds pretty vague That's right it's totally right and soon Sterling said it's really committed it's really biting but a lot of people didn't walk up and said commendable holds that they'll still optimistic considering that there were more or more wars and he said you know that this optimism is based on a really developed economy with a lot to detain you basically said that. He said that. We will never over this and that it's a question for the future generation who saw the digital age and digital was really you know with the still facing these old days of causation is that they would ask why part of our brain. I'm not just a good source of all about good suit I've got a big tells it like this bigger issue that the departments of the digital world about access. Often to who is deep is that this but this program into not only accessible either and so it was a really intriguing is a big picture of problems that. You see and how difficult would it be to change everything if you know it's been there since June sixth variation but how do you shift what is now a really disturbing and I think one of the things of this really key on what understanding the POA the power of technology is that it be able to map. For gets so imbedded. That changing it I mean I think about for example be an icon that's used to see me no longer use a three and a half floppy bits and I doubt that any million me out of there but you know really see no interacting with them unless they interested in in looking at the history of technology but that icon means review and it will continue to persist through generations of she images of billions of pieces and so I think that and that and that's just one example of the we that that was metaphors continued to be embedded in reinforced in in some of it the kinds of thinking that we have also seen the troubling. Things that are going to leave. It you know technologies are being developed to give us everything that's inside what we understand is it's a roughly what happens but languages that you know since you know years and years on that there have there hasn't been in the last X. you know access cultural artifacts that say the writing is going of the right and you can right after that that there is that there is more to love more dimensions in the digital representations and I mean things to those who need to move increasingly indigenization and really see the marginalization there's just. Certain people and certain histories and. Everything that's been destroyed in the Middle East you know you go even the text itself like the US the taxes being. So I think it's you know it's it's it's interesting OK sions which I frankly have never really come across in the not skilled enough to have. To be able to hit these these moments you know this is yeah but. Thank you so upset us going to talk about. Don't be afraid my not believe yet. Well there's a myth that basically that read an article you write he's going through different categories so I was going to run you know I think you know you Larry so basically I will revisit your set is thinking about as I. Tend to two kinds of values so the first and I thought what I really understood and reason to do this but I think you know those values better and how you go so it's going to go through that I think I would example. I don't so user on me is basically an idea not that users have. Control of all the things because having people all these people are a lot. Steadier ability to work. So that having all of the right things the right time. And so does it all as if you would like to go for it. While others like city others he or she. Or he represents himself. But that is a really risky. Hostile I understand her just like words like I believe using her star word not be the great thing for you because it gives you too many options and ever hires too much and you know users who are out of work car might be had a look at your are you worried I mean you know those little of. Those are good. Possibilities. So there you are going one again and there's bias and there's different types of bias so that she has. Ended up deciding that. These issues are. Biased is just not. There is variation. So they're going to three different types of fire she says preexisting. So if you like video game guys. Excuse me like the way it is a lot of you writers and male heroes and all that he kind of. Pulling an already existing social hero so there's that kind of I guess. There's just so our little knowledge he. Lets build Jeez. A video game over there. And then there's a virgin I guess what I think is probably what goes on you know not the kind of guys that are just you know. So basically like. This technology. And I think I definitely like the most relevant is that if you go. There's. So yeah it doesn't mean that you start out and I guess it really is just. Like what's the relationship between you. Guys is that some of these you were. There and I guess I should very much you know. Thank you well Rick I'm here right on time so we're going to have a thirty minute. Period we just threw a couple of questions all the way interesting too. To us as we wrap it and we can open the flow up zero for discussion. I want to get the board started to come out to this idea of legitimacy as I mentioned earlier. For me it was at every time I stand in front of an immigration office I feel like. There is there's this task that I have to pass. The problem with that is that nobody gives me the questions beforehand and and and there's no cheat sheet that goes along with it and there's no more E.M.T. ition to the exam but I have to say it and I'm not sure what kinds of preconceived biases and notions arming exist and so the first question I want us to be able to think about and chat about his. Honey you think our students are particular not need to our speakers have to deal with this issue this. Possible issue of legitimacy in our classroom and we ask them until. To you with technology and we use that perhaps they have not been oriented to us and how do we balance that on the other hand because one of the things that's that's so clear to me is that immigration officers have a job to do and we as. Instructors and teachers also have a job to do in a particular point X. and so there's this balance that we have to find on the one hand that we are asking our students to him. And be competent use of the technology on the other hand there's a need for us to be aware and. Maybe not have to be sympathetic with me empathetic to this kinds of challenges that the it gives you such trying to through that knowledge is. As a possible point of discussion we can start right. About here I. Agree. So. Just win there. You know. So one of the right things to refute is. There are six I think or. I'm thinking about this right now because the real truth. Will be John Breaux. Just as a. Thank you central new future to. You and does anyone really. Really touch on that fact that. I'm actually middle of. The world is hearing you know not so much from my expectations of students but the way they treat other. People. That's later this afternoon. But interestingly. I have students equally invested in the Greater course. One. Here. And you can be put together and they're. Just as individuals regardless. But. I had one of the students. Trying to get into the bus tour trying to suck up to the teacher. Getting White House back to the. Plane to get a group right then because his partner didn't do it and in the detail claiming that she did couldn't understand the English version of power which is a valid concern so I you know placing rag tag on Twitter that you know so it's emotionally place and you're not really there with what's true as to how this conversation went down. But it gets into really having to stress a certain environment these group projects let's do this. Instead of Basically I was making partner that's the English you can't do this and the problem for me is really so yes because. You know working together. On sector workers. At the same time is the only international. Success that's because she's more willing to. Work and work through the words to those that are still. Resisting and every time anything beyond the words so. You know what he was. One of the things Tyler but that I experience in the physical realm is that you understand that if you don't figure it out you don't succeed and so there's a more to be ashamed to ask questions because you need to get it right arm you need to understand what the rules are you need to understand what the rules of engagement are going to be moving forward and still in me when I speak English is my field. You know I don't know anything else going on and so I can well imagine in a context like not of the student you that it's a it's not uncommon to see that I would not need sitting with students have a different level of motivation when it comes to being able to figure it to figure things out you know that live. Shot Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Think that's part of the reason why you can see as we have a conversation. Or say you tell. Are. Right. You have tried to do. Or thought about. Something. You said about rights or pressures to. Speak but you had all. Been more thought of. But. Also I thought it was. Interesting no never really was the British military all coming to the unanimity to handle it all and I will see what. Their new life and their love for the. First day can be like. To go scientists or people all. Over it. So. We all. Just. Yes And I guess you know. It's the sort of reverse experience that when you have the border right. There other than your mouth this is all you have a bridge. With right here right or because you spout conceptualized that we have not been students this year seventy percent to be wrong not that they even see it but said. It's a big difference but that it's not correct that's always interesting to me so I guess I just had to bring your house three for the other way maybe ask you right where it made you get a conversation. About since you know the. Well there has made you know that we need to limit not let me do right now after five years. From now and this is not with me and you and your friend to do anything differently on. 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Solution I think that absolutely we don't want this for a solution. Is the right president there is a whole the committee in the in the process of assimilating that over to reshape the scene or not be or not be able to get that going to exist I can teach you more I learned early as I was concerned going to bring. The son. In the first thing they said to me was we're going to have a song that has a problem that's not the gun I looked at I can have him. As you give me that hand. Mike I mean it's been many years for the book home and the very strong you also write set of books on accident that they got a friend of hers are calling their friends colleagues that have you know considered speech therapy or speech to back to my cell I think that you know that that's right I mean like I I mean this is what I would say about myself that I. Work sometimes and I did ten fifteen years ago but when I hear. Region regional very micro or somebody was since a loss that I didn't I would raise. Me as opposed to trying to you know that the what is that now my boss talks over the man that sounds like the law I think says that sounds like a lie and yet when I go someplace and people go for it you know I'm from the south you know sounds other than it feels like a lie to me that in between space that happens when you know you'll race well simulating is I mean and I think in this one thing you know this is like. Well what happens when the deviations that are treated as an exception and you start you know traditional Chinese more like Arabic they start long and start accommodating the unicode and so that then you learn or you lose that after all the variation and so I think that you know I can really. Relate to the desire in the need of something like one of the you know one of the things that's striking is the be interaction that we have the technology in some ways forces us to Similarly when I think to Siri she does not respond to me in a couple of America maps and if I try that and so I even I either choose not to interact with the technology so I have to figure out how to simply it's and I think it's a process of assimilation that our students school through all of the time now we aren't aware. We're just months that that we have to meet to be able to interact with the technology and we also don't understand what is a lost in the process and I think that's the conversation that we we we need to ask what is it that's being lost when we ask our students to interact in the US them Similarly the fact is that we are talking about speech technology now that it's recognizing anything that's not stand up it's just that this doesn't exist and I'm so it's quite often that we hail students that it is a believe it is unique yet it's quite often quite often happens that the goal is no longer intelligibility for a second language Liam Now the goal is to be as close to establish that American accent or slam the British accent it's not about speaking in speaking with an accent that can be understood. You know and I think I think that's really tragic because I would love to hold on to my X. and I wouldn't want to have to change that just to be able to enjoy after technology but it's happening all the time. So I guess my question would be able would be what is what have been some of the borders that you have had to deal with until it was abusing our technology and getting. Exercise is trying to understand anything about in the classroom. Really. Also helping. Everybody. While. You just go out of your. Own. Way. Or where my world looking right now it's very. Possible. It's like people heard the last remarks or say ordinary life. And that I'll be with them all Martha's father I was really exposed to such alter and I mean I guess this I'm only speaking for the rock but. Not of the period as you and. I just Although I mean part of it was for. Him that. It. Was so. You know that's never really all that but the. Other thing was with all you know was actually. 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You would so much so quickly that heard of what I'd like they are getting is that these multiple levels of a person with only the speed that technology has been often done by how many students say you know I just couldn't do it that's a good one and I mean it's like the you know I mean I think of all of those when I drive. Every book rush hour it was horrifying and I was going to close I didn't do the route and I didn't know how long it's going to take now one of those elements of the interview so it's almost like it's not really a smart fight because like that kind of passage is known awful because it's one passage so as to try not place in space that's what I think about that for a lot of the incidents that a lot of the money needed speakers to do one thing that is completely heart and mind numbing it's bigger as a nurse to do more wonderful vacation and that to me is consistently the biggest. Waves of time when you are certain you said that the students I just do it get past is it two things one it is that the leader speakers who are saying all the students and then I speak it Don't let her see it would you know we were there we'd like to do with that data mining activity are there you know or say good friends of friends or a kind of attack space into a vision tests and just like just something as basic as like and a shirt sure I'm going to Google Books and doing a quick search or done you know a drug dealer or going to just or even just. It doesn't take that much longer but it's just you know the element of touching but it takes for us all the things like I mean you know whether you're driving into the place here to get you to get a language that you're still within the reach them. So. Many of the questions coming out of Illinois not a good one to. Tearing. Patients you know there's a heart attack. Which is a critical stage so for you. And I had a lot of really diverse. I think it speaks more to just generationally there is that to a person they were really resistant to pretty. Google and Facebook and Twitter it made them. Think about the on. An island that was crossed. Where they were running it was just like talk about Google I want to they're. Not not really. That was just a challenge they just don't even get. It. That the Internet is not the. Little Pieces we are yet and that a little bit I just had a really hard time the summer part is it called the producers that it was a problem from the ninety's that was a valve for a show and it was one that is about advertising about Africa. You know all this stuff teetering and all sorts of are right in the ninety's they were talking about. You know advertisers what happens if they are able to you know see used to simply you they were just going to buy something that's being tracked the next time you go to Amazon they read the book and frontlines response the point where it was like This is terrible will be a loop living in a fascist dictatorship it will be and it was really really fun to watch my students go. I don't hear you but it was well worth didn't require government to drag things out and getting them to ask about what is your Facebook. What does beat out pop up are these books for you you're being too hard this is too little they've got a book like yours and comparing that to the front line how did the ninety's this is horrible that they know which are right really good for saying historical wish. To. Hear what. Is that all bias. Is so much more about here that you know just because American culture itself whatever we start reading texts from other places like you know about. 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