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>> Faculty it was a check between the years of nine hundred sixty one and. We are. Like that defining thing so much pleasure to me to you for a few years as you well know it's nice to see that you stay home once in a while you become a world traveler so thank you it's a pleasure to be here and I do want to hear your story where I was born on October fourth nineteen thirty four at Mary Elizabeth Hospital and Raleigh North Carolina well you're doing my mother was a resident of important Valley Georgia and my grandfather was a traveling man he was an engineer with seaboard railway but he also had a chicken farm.

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And a used car lot. Resort. Quite like. He had a lot of sad businesses and they at the time were living in Raleigh and my father had just graduated from high school a couple years before that and he was going to the Y.M.C.A. to see a basketball game my mother had been playing in the game she ran out of the dressing room and he was running down the steps and they literally but then.

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This was a nineteen thirty two. And they. Shortly thereafter went across the border of the South Carolina where there was no waiting period and got mad so it was the first like. The first about now and so so the places that your grandfather had you know you know where they are what they were all over the place.

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From the rubble and that way we had. The family used to be active in Milledgeville and not at the state hospital but I'm. Coming up I'll call Sam Terry my grandmother's maiden name was Terry and Uncle Sam to it was a lawyer there J.T. was a lawyer and grandmother Ethel Terry Fanning.

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Once dated Oliver Hardy and the other day. He took her to a carnival and the swings on the chains broke and they made a quick. This is that that was before he became famous. It wasn't Milledgeville on the on. The big thing to him. You know me but yeah.

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I think mom by no means maiden name was Heisserer. And and Robert buying them my father was the number two son. And Robert by them was a machinist the seaboard and this was before they had spare parts and so he would fabricate spare parts that they needed and one of my vivid memories from childhood was.

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There was a living area a living room and then there was a bedroom straight back in the. House then there was a. Narrow hallway on the left and they were all these trunks with heavy tools wrapped in the oil so rags and on the right was our indoor bathroom which was fairly new and then there was the big kitchen in the back porch and.

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It was sort of one and two and two halves but the most vivid memory I had was the odor of the oil so. Yeah good so that's right that's right. You know. Your family. First. Yes I was really the only one who couldn't go on. I was. Well I have a sister twenty two years my junior but this was a different.

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Stepfather my fellows kill in World War two. On their anniversary August seventh nineteen forty four they had been married in August seventh my third. And. So it was when the telegram came I knew what it was I thought I knew Alice and I thought I knew what it was but then she thought she knew what it was and I guess we didn't know what it was but she kept telling me it was just an anniversary which.

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I guess. Yeah that's right. But I have a lot of. Grand. Vinings on the ban on the. Course most everybody was off at war. The man. We had blackouts I missed him I had my bedroom was on the second floor and I used to sleep with my head in the one the.

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One with the pillow so I could look up at the stars and. We had wisteria growing sort of gathering on top of the roof of the porch. We had a swing and a bay one. That was a good place to go but you. Did everything well you know you could see the stars because all the lights were out and you could see it very clearly.

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Well. I went to a private school. Well. We were all first graders and I and the headmaster son we went to the bathroom the headmaster said he was going to appeal me and so before he could i did. I was that's one reason why I was a Marine I guess I didn't I didn't why didn't somebody threaten I want to get.

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And so they removed me from the school and I My grandparents were living in Hamlet parallel about one hundred miles away and so I did the first grade the rest of the first day in Hamlet North Carolina. I suspect one of. Which is a considerable Yeah. Yeah yeah let Yeah.

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But it was a. No no no no no. They came to public school but but by that time. Well that was happy things. Things were stripped back in those days. So never that first like that how. Do you like. A life skill and I especially like artwork and phrases.

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And recess and playing ball but I was not a student you like this. Other kid but you know I like. I like baseball. But it was. You could do it you didn't. Think I was motivated I was like minded text. Many text can do anguish there they have the highest S.A.T. English scores of anybody in the study have for years and you know but they would really rather do something else I'd rather do computers I'd rather play with math problems.

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And. Just. I could do the work I guess I've been. Here since she was pretty busy. You know kind of grew up like a we in. The first book I ever remember reading. Was not often hols principles of aerodynamics. And. Well that was my uncle's textbook they had the N.C. State.

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And my father before the war my father had been asked to conserve ones and their stuff so I had a lot of good engineering background. I didn't really know that I had an engineering background but. I love to study the diagrams of airfoils them and all that it was I was in graduate school I guess before I ever learned that Nordoff and how also wrote you know on the balcony.

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But that's another story I don't. Believe you hear that you lost. I grew up like. My. Sister well. It was an interesting situation because the Elks Club. Sponsored camp for. Children of the ceased war veterans and it seemed must have seemed like a great idea but what they did was take the children of the ceased war veterans and send them off to camp for two weeks.

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And it's probably the worst two weeks I've ever spent my life but. One parent was suddenly taken from me and then I was taken from the. And although they tried all sorts of things to entertain us and keep us occupied. So yeah I think so and. And so I don't like to travel very much.

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Now and then try to. High school. Well I want to military school. Now and I want to well. I want to Murphy's school in second and third in fourth grade and then I went to school and live with my grandparents who had moved to Raleigh on the south down but the fifth grade and then my mother had remarried and so we moved back on the other side of town and.

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Went to the six and seventh grade and then they had a. Messy breakup of the marriage and. I was. I guess sent off to military school while. All that was resolved but I thought it was a great thing to go off to go Georgian military college and it was full you know where all my relatives were.

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So I think. Well I think I was pretty good yeah yeah. You know. You always need a haircut and I let. You know they told me they told me on the as a safe where that I need one. Shave every day just. Like. I think I was that it was and then.

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Settle down so I want them brought in and run high school in tenth grade eleven twelve. And not really. We went back to being a no no no no I've tried hard I just. Didn't know the technique so I didn't and I had to study. And. Then we discovered that there was such a thing as a scholarship for children of the ceased war veterans and so.

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So and I knew I didn't want to go I had good to N.C. State or Carolina and so I went Caroline. And you know. We start. Well I started off in math and chemistry. And I was always fond of telling us the. I'm a failed chemist. My favorite time was toward the end of my career I want to class I will fail chemist I'm a voice from the back rows to we're all failing.

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So that was that was OK so. I started off in math and chemistry and I MADE A pluses in high school chemistry and I got and they jumped me over although this was back when you had college algebra before you get the jump over to calculus I didn't understand a thing that want to.

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Get someone else that's right. And for some reason I couldn't work a problem I couldn't remember what a mole was and and so so I changed my dress. I'm not quite sure what must suck at my age it was a set of majors that. One person must. And I went to summer school every summer except the summer I went to Quantico.

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The Marine trying. And I was in the naval aren't they say yeah. Well I'm not and you had to know I know lots of. US Marines and I was the battalion commander of the you know my son in law. Back. Then. That was. And I was head cheerleader that was the year the basketball team won thirty two straight women national champ.

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And first. Unmarried and that was that was the year I met my wife my first wife. We're. Going to have to do. So I want. To at least two years and. Now. Here. She was dating a fraternity brother. Was make your. I think I think I was a history major.

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And then I failed American History course. Because our well I was I was doing too much cheerleading and stuff socially you know. So. I tried to learn all of American history about it you can't do that. So. I didn't really have enough time to major in history so I took six English courses and majored in English.

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But left my mom. And. Made the best grades and my whole career that laugh so much when I was scared. But that was I had to I had to get a commission I had to graduate in order to get the commission or. Get married in which I live.

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Anyway. You. Know where you know she was a sophomore. And. And. You. Know we had bases we had and it was we weren't really at war at the time so we had an eight month basis when we have wars shorten the six or fewer. Yeah yeah so. Well I was American travel.

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Because everybody's and infantry man first zero three zero but that's the. Marine Office the specialty or occupational specialty. But. And I guess. Selective Achan troll because I was interested in flying to the grey although I wasn't really pilot material and. And almost everybody else there was room when it.

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Was going to. Okinawa. And I was in love and I didn't want to come out. So they sent me they sent me the tender laugh Force Base for a class. We had all the newest electronic equipment and then I was assigned. Max squadron Marine air control squadron seven up at New River North Carolina and we had the first radar sets that ever made.

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That Marine Corps get surplus I'm sure. So we had a little. We had to mark everything with grease pencil some stuff. In the Air Force. Radar so that you could put a strobe light on the on the plane which are then a fight and it followed the plane wherever it went with the Marine Corps you had to market with grease pencils and read in a file on the plane every time you wanted so it was.

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You yeah I would I would move my fingers and rock back for like little muslims are you. Nervous Jervas. Everybody. Well it was it turned out all right on. The total of two years and then then we went to graduate school we got married halfway through that and we lived in Jacksonville.

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We're fifty eight. And like you were. And then you. Would think we had a baby on the way. And we didn't have any money. The Colonel we have a whole bunch of. Mexican truck drivers and they have a hard time with English. And they can't run stop signs and run then and so the colonel I was among other things I was education officer so as education officer he won me to teach an English course all through the education course and so he said teach these people some English so they know how to read stop and I couldn't do that and so I had the first experience real experience and teaching and.

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And and it was it was a most amazing experience it was magic. Yeah absolutely. It was it was nerve wracking because the colonel and his lady came the first night we had class and I was nervous enough because I was going to teach but. But then I had to.

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But. And then we decided that we would. Against my. Mother's objections. And love directions when we went back to Chapel Hill. Britt and. Yeah yeah and broke. Like. Yeah well or well we're in the land. Yeah. Right from. Chapel Hill. And they had a hard time out your mind I had a hard time getting them because they had me live still listed as a history major and they kept the records by hand them and I said well if you count up the credits you will see that I like one course for history major but I have exactly right.

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Now. And I know we we ran it a little house and. Then we rented the stairs to all the students. And so we. Paid and well not completely but we we paid in that thirty five. So that. This right. Now is scaring. Me Yeah. That's right. And he had colic.

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First one first one had colic. And we had a. Dryer or a washing machine yes in the corner of the kitchen. Fit snugly against three walls so we used when he had colic really badly and we couldn't afford the gas to drive the go for but we couldn't afford the gas would put him in his in his little seat and put that up on the.

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On the washer and put it on the spend sun I want to shake him to sleep. When I graduated from tech in architecture. Like. We couldn't find him one day and he we found he had crawled up under the. Refrigerator to have an open back and the only place it would fit was right and so the door between the kitchen between the kitchen and the dining room and so happened it was the panel was down and half of it was open and had the belt and the motor and everything looked all around the house when.

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We finally found him he was lying down just like me watching that most of the rounds and. So we think it well we might have an engineer I'm. Sure it works by race yeah yeah. Yeah. Very. Well. Yeah I was in the reserves for I guess. Right we we went down to.

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Greensboro there was an empty entry and I had to put. And this rifle company down there and we met once a month for the whole weekend would feel exercises and we always had hot meals. And another just one weekend that they were going to throw all that food away yeah and I said you can't be serious about that they're starving people living all around and then for him so I tell them to let me take it home with me and so once a month we would have and I thought open house and all the people from all up and down our street.

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And brought dishes and take it home. So we had we had all that. Chopped chicken and turkey and beans and I can't even remember everything with it but it was it was good. That. Way. Even though. You know. What I'm not. There. But they shared. It was. Pretty fantastic.

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Well I started off in the eighteenth century and eighteenth century classical that and that's. It's precise and. Well it. Is the age of reason. And my values of the legal Macmillan. Was. His sort of I was sort of a small tuberculosis looking man and he smoked chain smoked and when I would bring back was a little green and red like you Strike cigarettes from Reserve meeting it's from the C.

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rations and you could roll them in your you know and here and crackle he would smoke on them and claim to enjoy them so I always brought a plan but. Didn't really do very well in the eighteenth century and he told me that he said Mr by him he says you laugh too much only I think you said last you lost too much so as in the eighteenth century You may smile but you may not.

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I'm afraid you will have to move forward to the Romantic period of backward to the Venice on Simon's backward to the Renaissance. But yes yes raucously But but but I did finish it with my wife typed this this was before they had Xerox and she typed the whole thesis it was John Locke's educational theories and Gulliver's first voyage swift and and you could rule as you couldn't make more than three mistakes corrected mistakes on one page and she had to use carbons two copies of carbons can xerox of anything and so.

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I'm sure I brought her more pain she really needed. That. Without making a missed something yes. Thank. You. Very. Much. Like yes yes I think I think it was something like fifty dollars a week. When I call a reserve unit you go and they didn't call us there down here as soon as we came to Tech I was in the motor transport and I had a company in there I don't know exactly when I was promoted from first the Captain but at some point I had a company and and there we were George buddy Russell Smith doormen I was we were in brown at the time.

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And. We were I guess I said that we were in on the housing staff for thirty years. To. Get. Money. No it really. Well. I had a sweet my in the Marine Corps New River who was a helicopter pilot Bill Shaffer who later became head of economics at that and.

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Well he said I want to apply that here and. Right we had a plan North Carolina Wesley and Rocky Mountain with the plan at Heidelberg University. And they looked putting out of business the Rocky Mount and I was to be an English literature at North Carolina Wesley and.

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I'm sure I knew what that meant at the time. And. Well Wesley and offered five thousand and Georgia to. Georgia Tech and we heard when we were up at Norfolk and I was on my active duty teaching their life to you. And tech was offering fifty four hundred.

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Four hundred dollars for money was really money that's four hundred dollars more. Teaching. Well I didn't know until I got here. And well you know it was really classics and philosophy and everybody in the sixty's had to be a generalist. So whether you knew Homer and Aristotle and Plato and the great tragedies and all or not that was the first sophomore course you taught and then you taught basically composition for Rick like you did in fact learn the tricks and not only that I thought the money would be great and it was.

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For the times but it wasn't quite enough and so five sections. Each quarter day school in two sections at night. That's right three hundred dollars a class. You know. What is and I paid for my time. I didn't I didn't know that that well technically we call it a night sky.

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In Mandarin. Well they were pretty good students a lot of. Trad giving and couldn't get in the regular school with guns and I you know we we we had a couple of Iranian students. And Michelle. Who brought us pounds and pounds of saffron when they came back from Iran.

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Well. You mentioned. Well. Bud Foote. Yeah. Well I don't remember the story but Gene remembers that. He played a recording. I guess himself playing the banjo and asked me what I thought of it and I didn't know whether he was serious or was joking of what. But but he was all the people and he was asked embarrassing questions and questions that were very hard and sort of back and.

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Blood was the resin of Vassar Brown and because of the bomb scare but was going to pull his family in and out of Brown and move to Australia. And but in order to do that he needed somebody to take his place because you know already committed himself for the next year and so Jean Nichols was the director of housing at the time and I went and talked to Jane Nichols and Mr Macandrew the two of them ran everything.

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And. And. I don't know whether there were any other applicants or not but. The selected and. Back and we had an apartment. On the first floor right there on the corner between Brown and Harris and we had a little put a fence up for our son to play right out there and so he would run up the street and whatnot and and he made friends with all the students.

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But. Yeah it was in those days nobody got paid although we still had made service. And every day the beds were made if people got out of bed. Sort of you know we had we had a staff of five saying you can't fly in for one count for each floor and we had about one hundred fifteen students and brown.

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Yeah and we were we worked out of the problem. Yeah. As it turned out we were the last faculty member to live in. And in the dorm where we lived in Brown for three years and we lived in England for about thirty years. Raised the whole family. So it was a good you even.

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Well it to begin with. You didn't pay anything it was sort of income what you did was you with the aura and you ran things and you got the housing and the student. I think it's time period that you. Think And that's exactly. What you. Wish. Excuse the pun.

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That. People have their mind again tried to get. Their history. Well we were on campus the first year we lived in the kid either sixty one sixty two and then them but was going to move to Australia the following year and so we moved in the brown sixty two sixty three but I can't get there but the only the only.

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Emigration experience when I've been to Chapel Hill and my first black student was Malika green. And when that came to Tech I think. It was after I had took two years off to go to Emory. After we were three years then two years of them and then we came back for silly right and.

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And I think my first black student was after that in one nine hundred sixty six so it took several years before before I ever had a black person in class and his name happened to be nice and Jay black knife and your own black and he turned it turned out he was late for class and so the class was there and I'd call the row and I would put checks by people who had not shown up and someone came in the door over to my peripheral vision and without looking up I said Are you black.

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That is Mr Black and I turned and he was indeed but. He said Yes sir. So is that. Any Africans. Everybody was expecting. Well I don't I never recall there having been any problems at all and of course I could have been black because so frequently we assume things that just aren't true I don't look pretty.

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Right. But I think any anybody in the military would would not have a problem. OK First you hear. Him. But never we. Know not know Jay is. That service. They claim they. Mocked and waxed every hallway every week. And they made the beds every day. No no no no we don't know students I think are using stories about that many service.

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Students. Yes they were. Interesting. The maids the maids wore the key is around their waists. On the apron belts and. Some students said had put an elastic mechanism behind the door and one may put in the key and when the door flew open. Tripped the pull on her apron but I don't think that's what I hear of.

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The project interview he was somewhere. And they used a penny the door. Do you know but painting in the room well you close a door and the latch in the center of the lock hold but if you reach and push the door there's a little bit of play between the.

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Edge of the lintel and the door and you can sort of insert pin is maybe three in the top and then at the bottom and usually you have a couple friends helping you and you can push with your feet or with your hands and you put maybe three or four other Pena's down there and then it's almost impossible for your insight.

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Out if you're out gorging move the planets but to open the door because the pressure is such that that you can't turn the key. And you can't turn the lock so you're you're you're so your track so unless you're on the first floor you're you're stuck until somebody comes and gets you.

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Down that gland when we lived in England they tended our front door but they forgot the pain in the back of us and we just went around them and and it would have been very good of anything other than. Well some people climb up the outside of the walls when you when you first came in there.

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I mean. What did you think of looking. Well. Well. Well. I hear from my wife that I was. Sort of puritanical because any time I would hear language that was a little off color I would run out the door and shout at people and explain to the students that there was a young woman living there and the child and I shouldn't say that so that that's right that's right but you know I don't know but I don't remember doing that sort of thing I'm sure most of.

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Them but even so but they were the students have always been first right just like you and me. Well maybe not friends always but but we had a lot of staying pretty convenient you know you're. Right that's right because my wife had to drive at one point she was teaching at in Gwinnett County so she had to drive the campus out get the traffic.

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Now I'm. Thinking you know. We go to the same position and we have to get around birthdays and we got to get it right. But let's say he was born in. December of Fifth and. He was must have been about three. And then when you. Six to ten years later ten years later to me it was their grown ups in the next one and girls.

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But there were some. You couldn't or any less than the other the first girls had heard about I think the start when they came maybe in fifty eight or something like that I'm not quite sure of that maybe a little early but we didn't have very many girls and but after.

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I don't know why I'm keep thinking of sixty six as a turning point but after after X. return from Emory saying like we had a lot more girls and a lot more there was integrated in lots of different way the camera finally got. Some more carrots little young ladies right because they were right.

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Up until then it was just you know sorority. Right so it really was a very well more glamorous of female wasn't solved for a while about ten years of. Temporary warm space. So I just boxed up the urinals and that was what I did the feasibility study for gland turning into a female wrestler so.

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Let's say. Two three three four four. But of six the summer of sixty five we moved down to Glen and I was still in the reserve unit so we used one of the Marine trucks to move all of our friends of them to think. That. That was the year.

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I think Mike Moloch and coach. Gilbreath Yeah coach stillbirth this is the best coach had been there and he moved out and this was when they started putting housing people professionals and various places and Mike Molly again was placed in there and for whatever reason either through his person student personnel job or whatever or maybe he decided to leave but he left after one year and went to Georgia.

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Somewhat capacitive like and we were asked. If we wanted to move down the gland and we thought about it and said that would like so we we moved to go in and. Stay there forever. That's right. It was a larger apartment we had a. Sort of a basement type room that had an air conditioner built right through the wall the nice thing about the Glen apartment was the nice thing about going period was that the walls were eighteen inches of brick and reinforced concrete and so when we had a hurricane warning or tornado warning we said Bring it on but.

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We'll try it and it was much quieter That was the quietest of any of the residents. There Smith and brown where the where the busiest course Brown we have a lot of excitement because cars would come whizzing down from the Varsity and I mean to take a right turn think of a last minute and slapped around that corner and we were there when the old post office burned down and.

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This is the one that was right the Harrison square of which the students used to go brothel square before the James Harrison Square. And the brick to break them portion of the. Stepped out. And all that and. There's a huge fire and and I ran Alameda at least once of the Find out what it was and tried to stem the tide of students coming running from the Varsity to watch the post office in the meantime Jean take that little Jim And they went up the back way and then she put him on one of the fire trucks and they watched the fire while they qualify the whole board just looks but.

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I don't know. They're. Very They have electrical machines up there like state machines and their money and various things and I don't but I don't really have no I don't think so. I understand a number of. Firemen's to borrow but they were returned. For Sticky Fingers and that is.

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When a. Well I don't think they're malicious. You were so much more. Thinking like than most. Actually Be right there and you work under several feet or so you get to know. Not really not really if you have a good. Yeah yeah you would feel. Much more than others and the only complaints I've heard that he was he was sort of corporate business or the sort of thing I never heard.

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Of. This wonderful and Yes yes which was a real. Action For you it never been before. But it's interesting that you would hear that complaint from faculty because up to that point I think we had mainly retired Army colonel sim and me. But maybe that's why I felt at home from present we now know.

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That it was back but very few. That we listened to and wonderful at one of them was just. Here. We transition period where we can. I made up a plan that pretty well. Nobody in the world enjoyed presiding more than that. I would never call him Joe Pettit.

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He was Dr better president Mr Pratt. But. I was I was fortunate I was in The Graduate office at the time and. So I was. Well I was graduating acting thing and for a while and eight years and. And as it turns out. That particular Dean's position is not a land position like that in the engineering the dean of CO Sal's or whatever but a staff position so as I was on the present staff and so I got to go to a lot of meetings with write and write and.

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When architecture was trying to get a Ph D. and push through the curriculum everything. His his response was Well just remember what's the camel gets his head in the tent it's very hard to push him out which we interpreted as well there's only a certain amount of money going around for the graduate programs and if architecture comes in that's less money for engineering and the.

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Other. Well architecture has a pitch do that but it wasn't as easy as they thought it might but it was he. I thought he was very witty and I tried to keep a record of his sayings and I. Put them in a little red book and I was going to call it the sayings of Chairman male.

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And his middle name. But. But he would he would say just. Amazing things after. We went by like house and. Chatted briefly with the son and I told his son that he was the weirdest person I think I'd almost ever met and he looked and I go I was absolutely out of my mind.

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He was wonderful. He was. The environ Crawford just one of the other. Well. Graduations I was. About thirty two straight graduations to present candidates for master's degree. And he used to wear. This chain with those gold and. Seal and. Jane. At one point. Was just says something about the magic of that.

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No no he got his special powers from this and he thought that. But he would what was so interesting was that that. You could tell when he wanted a response because he would say something and then he would inhale. Waiting for a response yeah and when and when and when he had finished inhaling very audibly then you need to make a response.

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And I think you. We had. The chief financial officer I can't remember his name. You know. It was after Jamie I think but and he had back problems and he had a pulley going up to the books but behind his desk and we had a meeting. I think it was when we were first discussing the Graduate Fellowship Program one of them and we were meeting in this this office and I happened to be sitting next to Dr Pettit and I said Dr Pettit it appears that someone so.

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Is is is here and these. Ropes go through to this other other place I wonder who's controlling the other end of the ropes and he said I assure you it is not a lie. But. You are so. Used to bother me that nobody. Would touch it with a pen and I think a lot of people were afraid of him.

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And I have I was only temporary so I don't know how it was lame to lose out that it's also not the top of the man's but. Back. To that back it was. Back again he had occasion. Faculty. And enjoy life and farce of yet. More hype. And I just.

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Never. Know. Where people here. In our. I had a basketball player call me Jim Banham Howard Thompson was my he called me Jim Bamford for years. Yeah I mean I guess that's OK that was it was about the time when we were at your very approachable. We were we were having.

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One of the gas to burn down one of the buildings and the S.D.S. up at Columbia came to speak to the Take Action Committee gene. To. Hear and see what was going on and we were there and all of these revolutionary guards and everything and so afterwards we were about to leave and I saw some people in the room so I was introducing And I said this is my wife and I let it go at that and and one of them said.

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Where we come from our women have names and I said Jane this is genius. Well you know. But but you know. I think he was he was really good at. Temperature. And. Mental patients in there. When. You look at him that. I think so. Well I was I was.

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For most of my experience about it but I was in the guise of office and I was still in my dorm I was still in the don't want to. And. From time to time. In committee meetings or in meetings I felt like people had the wrong idea the wrong slant and so a couple of times I ask them if they would please.

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One time after five o'clock or six o'clock let's just walk through the. The housing area through the residence halls and see what's going on and they did that and so we well I don't know but we we walked through it and we thought about it but it is different when you when you.

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When you live with the students and you. You really feel like you're well you're almost one of. Its. Which is both good and bad. But a more realistic approach. I guess I play there and a mirror so I was maybe thirty five or thirty but. Well. Used to get even some time.

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To play football supposed to be a flag football and softball Well you know. Trip and push and. Yeah. I quit that year. Well I kept thinking I was better than I was a couple years beyond the time when I should have quit. My. Son you want to thank you so.

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Much that. That was I think out. Well maybe a year after that I was promoted to associate professor and then Carl Murphy had been assistant dean in The Graduate for this and we had a system in those days. Where Carl would read. The finished thesis and make sure it was all stated in good question.

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And. Karl was a candidate for the his ship of English. About that and so he was interested in taking that. And he asked if I would be interested in because you know going to the grounds of often being this is really the last that you're in and I really enjoyed that I did it and I went and.

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And Sam Webb who was dean at the time asked me to some of the paperwork I think they already and I believe he had been there and then there was some controversy over the accreditation of the graduate program. And there was some conflict between. The style son and.

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They all went back to double that I don't know what the circumstances about that but. You know me right right and after a couple of years of reading theses Sam suddenly died up at a conference I think in Toronto and Vernon Crawford was vice president academic affairs and he asked me to come to his offices one thirty one morning it was the link the Friday before Labor Day weekend and said Sam had that and asked if I would be acting and I said sure and spent that whole weekend really going through the entire graduate office correspondence and learn more than I want to.

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Learn more than I wanted to. But then. They. Assume they were having a hard time pinning down exactly what they wanted to do with that position because they also McLean made it an associate vice president of research and graduates to think yeah yeah that's right. So but they did they moved us out.

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Of the power bill and we have thirteen hundred square feet I guess that was. Too many square feet. I heard I heard when I was in the ministry I heard that that each right had a maximum science desk. I believe. That full professors can have that job now that governs the whole office but.

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Well. Not cost plus the building next whereas the co-op office look. That's not. What's the one next to swan. I guess we must have been second floor in the French building right in the middle two hundred square foot. Now now and I've furniture on top of the file cabinets and everything.

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And when I. Told them I would work from saying you walk if they give me a chair. But anyway. Well we we have a really. My recollection of that that although there were some problems with a good situation. Now. When. He was chairing a mating. And I had forgotten to tell him something.

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Right before the meeting started I went up to his chair and I melt. And I was going to whisper in his ear and he said You may kiss me let me. Tell you there was something in. The earlier. Thing. And every thing. You think you can. Think people think.

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Like. The person I really had more conversations with and joy and I didn't really know doing Griffen are because. I got notes from Bob asking about potential. But with Paul Webber I think Michael never used it he was right. But he was he also had a marvelous sense of humor and you never told me he considered by the.

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Very very detail oriented he used to send us flowers from why you. Thought you. Just just. He was wonderful I used to go talk with him I was trying to be a Dane. And there were so many questions I had and I would go and he hit his office was over in the cubby right behind and the what became the graduate off for a while.

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And whenever he was in there he would he would live with Julian. Here Julian here for a while and and he would come to the office from time to time and I would I would go and we would chat for a while and then he would let me he was sort of a mentor he was really interesting because.

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You know well maybe there was something he did you know maybe it was something he became in his that then is that he is but. He was I thought it was wonderful. Some of the architecture people. Here were still right there were a lot of them you know Kerry Bill fashion come in by then and Alan Balfour from Scotland had come and the after forty years some of them are.

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Right. Well there were any the first one was Mary Lane who was a Haskell teacher a State star teacher I think from Valdosta and she came in and I think instead of just saying the one years of this thing teacher she stayed maybe three years. And I was trying to think the.

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Who the first women were or even look silver I had taught in night school and then she transferred today but I had a bell Jenkins and Sally Jackson and Helen novel but I don't remember exactly when they came. Right. But there were some wonderful wonderful teachers there yeah and.

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Well. I think our first. Black profs were female black profs well so yes vaguely but I remember some of the others better but I don't remember the name. We. We had the first black. Counsellor in the housing staff on Arthur right he was an architecture major but he changed his name to a Muslim name and I'm never going to remember yeah but we had Willie Hall oil and hooker who later were in the water tomorrow we went to the area has an Patrice's marriage and.

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And retaking. But you think he might be a lawyer. She's a great story from when. She was ready. For it. You were there. You actually. Said you move we moved out in ninety four and you were the faculty last ranking member that they had had housing people John Martin lived Gene Nichols had lived over in towers apartment and John Mark down there of the person who was director of housing for a while lived over there.

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Who became director was living up to smell and Terry sucked the lighter became director will. Perish actually him bar. We were asked. To leave because of the Olympics and we had about thirty or forty thousand books and as I recall it our feeling was if we have to get all these books here we just can't move back so we looked for two years we had time so we looked and we found this.

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It was really you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah absolutely yeah. Yeah yeah for you it was but. But. It was difficult in a sense because I felt so much a part of the campus that it is sort of like retiring when I sort of retire and. I felt like I had lost my identity because I had been identified as a as a teacher or as this kind of person that kind of person for so long that I was sort of at loose ends and.

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Yeah and the same thing when we moved off campus it was it was hard I felt like I didn't really know what the students were thinking I mean not that I have a problem here but you. Know I'm not as. You're. You know when it was an isolated you have to say yeah yeah.

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I mean he was ready for it in like that for a month and you know. Ten years later. John. And paid my you know thinking. Right. Now when he was a Haskell student we were walking up and. Takes two came out of one lamb and how hollow was still a chemistry building came out of a camp.

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Or. Damn I guess and said to Gordon who was tall for his age what do you think of that Kim. Yeah and so he sort of mobile. In the guy when. She came in seventy five so you're still there and that was that was about the time we changes and became female Rosen's and so.

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Later she felt like it was the it was because she was getting really strong and there are. Things like think I seventy five apparently. And our senior counselor was a Marine Gable who was homecoming going on there and we had we had a lot of interesting had it all cut I think was I for one it was genius to make ham biscuits when we were in Brown Brown didn't have a lounge anything and I think the second year we were there we started working on the coal she there was a there was a coal bin down at the North Am use out of the building and we cleaned all that out in the scrub down a couple of times started painting with that thing all over and painting the pipes Rearden blue whatnot and we used to have open houses but until then we we would have all the students down in our apartment and they gave us a gift certificate and we got a coffee urn with it because because they really could put away the coffee during exam especially and she would make cookies and all kinds of stuff that's right that's right but when we got down to Glenn Glenn and I think three hundred thirty residents and so we had to rely more and stay often more on the.

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Meeting Room stand by that we had them in there prominent from time to time but we just couldn't accommodate all of us but. You know. I'm not sure that's exactly what it kind of couldn't then the year before seventy four seventy four eighty four maybe I think. I'm laughing well.

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Yes. Well in a sense I felt like I kind of lost touch with the students so because I didn't feel like it was right for me to I just like to wander through the dorms and just general people the way that I can do that yeah but more girls came and taught with Jane that when they had when they had a trial.

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She sure was. Never properly for well. But she went to Duke So she was prepared. It was happening on the. Line. Changing. You know that you came in you were a lot. In other words. That was well that we had social science. And. Dr Love You know when you psychologist Yeah but but we have been through some history and social science pet galleon and a bunch of.

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That section where we did change. That change in your. English and then. You. Think. Well you know I've yes we all remember that but. But I was remember I was in The Graduate office from about seventy four or five till eighty four. And then I came back to anguish and I D four and then then a year after that I was made curriculum Corden which is the same as associate director and I did all scheduling and what they were doing.

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I have no idea. Then Nostrand had been brought down from brown to be here and. And that. Change was made then because I think the change came when we when we made the push to get a major. Which we have. On the stand from drunkenness but we have a lot more majors than we used to but but but we for a while we didn't.

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Just. Make you think. You know. And then. We had. Him reborn. Another character. I think as they say those were the years that I was beginning to be marginalized. That's the term I think it was and the. Opposition had been promised on the stand to somebody else and but nobody but nobody can.

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Know Us not that's our big bore that's the way the game is played but but. But yeah but it but and I think. I think things happen to people. Both internally and externally when they turn certain ages I think when you turn sixty it's a world of difference between fifty and sixty I'm not making accusations of age as a minor thing like that except that it's just people think of you in different ways.

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You know you. Can. You pass away. Your hat and the idea that you were thinking about me no. No we're still living I'm. Not the president. My my beef with crease and was that in his first address to the faculty he referred to the faculty as intellectual entrepreneurs.

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Which offended me. Yes and no but but but. I think somebody who is in the language is especially sensitive. And and you weren't always sure whether he was deliberately. Creating a putdown for or whether it's an accident but it hurt him on the left or. Well and I don't understand that because he was a smart man and he had a lot of good things going on but.

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It didn't seem to turn out right. Life was pretty funny and. That. And you. Do it here. We. Really don't know any of the details of the. Huge. Well. That well they're in the. You know are they I. Think the thing that bothered us most was that this thousand not eighteen inches of rain for Congress.

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When the wind blows you know. That's right that's right. That's true. And. Well. And. Then. I think of suppressed. I don't know where all the people went there and there were pics I think they left Atlanta because the traffic was never as free flowing as it was during that time.

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I don't think so. I think I talked summer school half summer school or whatever. You know how that was. We did it for six weeks here on here so actually some can first thing the first part of the last part whether. Or no you know it was that sound but it wouldn't count on or maybe added to.

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Well. What you're thinking. About it was a Bible thing generally speaking for us because it got us out. Yeah I guess that's OK well as it turns out I guess for you but. Yeah yeah it looked like for a while we were going over Bill but it. Yeah of course.

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I'm going to clear the. Take. Back. The main thing much can change. The Olympics. Sure. I didn't write. It just like everything happens that. Can't change. Human being. And I'm pursing my lips and holding them together you'll notice I think you may think a certain in many ways a certain kind of person that's drawn to a certain kind of hoopla and I think not always the right kind of people are drawn into the spotlight in something like the Olympics or in something like a go rush or have something like that and I think it's some bad things are so.

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Practical a. Lot of. The. Well to do you have other pressing it. Can't be acting. PRESIDENT So what back to. Teaching facts are facts here. What is your about that I'm still faculty just black and so you're teaching Yeah just teach. And I have my list time I gravitated to film OK Really from Shakespeare to film that's quite a leap.

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There of sort of a logical place to. Film as though it was the only real American art form. Artificial fault. Oversimplified. Cultural analysis now you couldn't have done in the Old English department so the question is how this is part of it you're. Here and we will have one real film person take a lot Jay to lot from his associate director in.

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Transition start teaching appreciation. Of Film analysis like And I'll sing on novel or play or what are you so well you know it was very very interesting you. Know then to specialise in the romantic comedy. In trade. Partial and. Yes see a lot of money. Read a lot of books just like you look like a critic Yeah that's right that's right it would be day after day after I would disagree with all the wrangle Gillespie I imagine.

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This is an opportunity and you could be well I am a film critic I go. And do we have a big. I would have full classes and if you don't watch and I can I could get a. Yeah but you and part of it is through misunderstanding because I think they ask me what's the course about and I say we just watch movies and have fun which is true but I think it yeah.

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That's the compliant. I thought this was going to be easy and this is the hardest exam I've ever had for you know they have to think through and demonstrate why they feel a particular movie does a particular closing and I just want to say it was wonderful. To.

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Have. Things. Like that but. He laughs. Well. It was a combination of things. Well. Yeah. In a sense I was told. Mark. Yeah it was. Really couldn't make you know. That when you're. From your grandfather. Yeah I haven't heard a lot from my grandfather. So so. One time.

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Teaching it was like. It's wonderful it's. It was central to be paid for reading things that you want to read or seeing movies that you want to see and talking about it and sharing with other people and the students a teacher always learns more than a student I mean you've got fifty or sixty or seventy.

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Chipping away at what you're presenting a professor can only profess. And and you sort of become who you are you become your subject and. And one of the things I learned in teaching in the Marine Corps when we when we taught it at Norfolk if we were making up the lecture we would have to compose the the the lecture and we would have to get it approved by the the General Committee.

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Generals and colonels and everybody and then would have to go back and memorize that and memorize it so. Consummately and solidly that we could present it as if it were just off the top of our heads it's. Always the same be so that you would appear to be knowledgeable about the subject even if you aren't you may only know the the thirty pages that you've memorized.

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But but you had examples you have you have training aides that you have helicopters coming in and everything is time to second and and so I guess that was about the time I decided I was going to learn everything there was to learn about film or about the results and things so that I no longer use my.

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I didn't have to memorize it. I discovered at one point I have a root I never had total recall but I have attentive and if I try to memorize something I agonize over it but it but if I act if I were to start making a speech from a film and class frequently actually give the whole speech I'd missed some of it but I could give myself and or a point I would just it would just flow and and I liked that and.

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I was a control and I think it's not really control but it is control because because I got a million more you know I mean you know I let example have this example you know there's a difference between teaching. Not so much. Well there are lots of things you can do out in the field Well I mean.

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After all mainly the people I was teaching were and they were getting a people unable to see people from all over the country so I was teaching college students that I wanted to. They're very creative and very engineering and I think. When we first came here we were really astounded because that when a suicide.

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We hardly had any suicides when we first came the day I don't I am and they are now but but we came from a situation where we had six or eight or nine every year. And and I think it was because liberal arts people tend to ask questions that can't be answered defensively.

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And engineers will always come up with the best answer with the facts that they have that. And so they always have an answer I don't know. About that but. When they put the new lights on the stadium it was used to scare us to death because occasionally we'd look over there when we could.

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And would see a student all the way up on the framework before they even put the bank alight so they're standing almost at the tension looking out over the city and wondering and we were I was afraid the heart of them anything for fear that fall or jump or whatever and so no well not to my knowledge that you know this is like a cat up on the catwalk I always have to go on the other room because I'm very going to fall off and that's because.

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Yeah from time to time. But. I mean like yeah well I had a I had a little. Transit scheme and. You know the T. I had a. Double Vision I was watching a football game that's probably the problem you know but. And the doctor I was scheduled to start it pretty much outlined the course and and the doctor told me to take it easy for six months so that can't be right but he said yes we want to but but can can ask for the staff me if I want.

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To next prime. I just don't wear invited to a lot of wedding so we're going to go into jeans. So we're going to. You're. Just what I want you guys think I read books and. Watch nature to you and I would be happy right here. But. America traveling the world.

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But then. Well gentlemen is an architect with a Perkins and we're going to think of that name of it now and he does a lot of traveling light because it's. Got to start at Carolina and transfer. And architect and went through the entire program you. Have no idea.

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But but when he got his Masters I was still only graduate office and I heard it was. Just. You know. But yeah yeah. Yeah well I think you know I think hospitals and prisons. And marry yes they have one girl eleven I love. And she's tall and. Marvelous farmer and she play soccer some.

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Days. You know. And he's a he was a history major and he teaches at problems in Charlotte and he's married and they have two little girls. That's a woman's work. He went to Carolina and Chapel Hill and. Then Georgia State. Of thinking I've got three Yeah yeah and.

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Caroline They were live in Mobile when they made the Caroline and now that they're in Charlotte everybody's name Caroline. And Louisa grace. And then we come to her. And here she just got married and from Adam Brody. Who is the Scott a real by many generations somewhere in the but you know.

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So you're. Right. And you. Look at the time that's for. Sure it's harder and when they're running around and walks past with me. I should be. Well I wanted their love sort of they had all the so that because we didn't go. And that's the main thing. Yeah.

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Really hard for doing it so that. We bring home people. I mean you know people from Martin and. People. On one place. I've heard some stories. About you know their personal level. The way. Some of them. You know never come again but everywhere. That was. I was walking down third straight.

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Away I guess of this man and the student kept looking across the straight and looking across the train family he came over and he said Didn't you used to be jumbo. And I said Yes I think I did a. Degree and you're masquerading that. That's right yeah you're only here kind of thing that's right.

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Let's pick up pretty story and you. Talked on the phone I really don't have much story. I didn't believe you must believe your life is like that a great I. Mean I personally. Break My pleasure. Thank you so much thank you. Professor time to time when we look back at your stories and we did consult with Gina on this and there were some that we didn't cover and now I want to ask you about from your favorite things or is OK All right the first one is.

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Well when I was young I'm writing and fast pretty fast. The the and we were in the dorms and the students used to meet on Sunday afternoon take a bright study bright and girls would go from all over town and would go to the virus the and get of.

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And whatever and then they would drive through campus. And I'm not sure they were very serious about picking up any By then I'm not sure the guy has a very serious about getting in a convertible same thing but the gas would congregate and from time to time it would get a little rock us and they would holler things and so one young man got up on a car and was shouting of what I considered obscenity is as people drove by and so I.

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Asked him to. Get down off the car and. In those days when I bring about a said that you probably recognize the voice of authority so so. He jumped down on the streets and I was on the sidewalk and then started running up toward BROWN This was then the corner of tech wood and third so I started running on the sidewalk and as we approached Brown he was going to cut through between Harrison Brown and he he decided he couldn't make it before I.

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Enter SEC to do with him and so he stopped and turned around around back the other way so we ran all the way back down to the corner. And he went he got ahead of me and went around on Third Street and then cut up through the little steps and across the wall that go and went over and into towers and this was before the doors were all locked and all the security was that so I followed him in quickly and just as I went in the door I heard a door slam and I figured out it was on the second floor and so I went up and I began listening at the door when I heard very heavy breathing that was I'm not on the door and they opened the door.

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And they're the culprit and I asked for his add a card which he gave to me surprisingly And so I went out the other end of the towers and out the entrance and when I went out all the students had been following. The right place and they were all gathered around maybe one hundred two hundred and and as I walked out I held the card aloft.

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In victory but. I don't think they're pretty sure if it's the wrong person at all on the right but yet. In from that scene your reputation now. Just to see what would happen when you. Just said out of the a member of the African-American club because I was too fast for of like.

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You know I was an honorary member of that very. Story cricket well. Some of this is very sensitive material. Some people would violate various rules and regulations some people would some people weren't very smart about it they would they would at night they would throw firecrackers out the window but of course they would turn the light off before the front of the great city firecracker that you could follow the path of the fuses spewing sparks and.

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So what was what was the question cricket. So a lot of times you would catch somebody doing something illegal or they would do something to somebody else like those and then. That call went out of the milieu and they got into you know almost a whole box of hasheesh first.

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And he did interesting and funny things I found out much later about that but. What was the toughest. The problem is that we're reluctant to tell the story. Now not now the problem is when the staff had no legal recourse to to pin something on somebody but they absolutely knew the person did it then you would get say a thousand cricket support through the wonder and the person would be at and they'd come back and then lot with the war and all the crickets would be in that we had crickets around going for years and years and years or a thousand baby chicks.

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Yes or are balls of toilet paper a newspaper completely filling a room and. Yes. You. Know it happened to a mother who was coming to pick up a visiting challenge she stopped briefly at the stop line right before turning to go to our apartment and got her whole thing and our car told it papered.

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Like this just like. Yeah but there were some jokes that were very funny for example we had a. String of cherry bomb incidents and and they were very powerful anyway but but people would put attempts to use a cigarette to use on and put them behind the glass exit lights and people would come down the steps and you never knew when a person would would be coming by there and if somebody happened to be at the wrong place and it blew up it.

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Really hurt them as a kid so that was that was dangerous just. How Clifford is an interesting person he he was a weightlifter and in the plague are the all-American high school guard but when he was in high school he outlined the whole Bible. And so he was he was a.

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He lived. Towers and he was sort of an obvious person. Bulky and a bit of a very nice guy and very bright he was a physics major and tech tried to change him into a tackle but his arms just weren't while and you know long enough to to be a tackle so he didn't star as well as he might have GAAR something that I don't know the whole story but in right people always challenging and both physically and mentally and one student came down the hall and he always nap right before practice and the last and then he was stretched out on this bar and terrace in the student burst open his door and said God is energy.

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And Harold looked up at him. And said kinetic or potential. And the guy just turn and walk about. Right. What do you think. The left let it Association offices used to be. Soaring into the entrance to well. Peter's park. You know whether the umbrella concrete umbrella is going up the hill from Third Street anyway the sad lot was never in good repair and I don't know why that maybe the water coming down the hill in the water coming down from the stadium but there was always a hole there and they had been covered up in three days and behold again so one day I was rushing up to class and I had my briefcase with my coat down everything.

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And I walked up and. A student was a single student was coming down there on the Hill and just as I got to the I was going to Good Morning just as I got to the hole I had looked up and I inadvertently stepped in the hole and I was being pitched forward and so up pushed very hard with my left foot and I had been buried.

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Athletic at one time in my life and I did a forward flip And I landed on my feet you know still holding my breath case and I stood up and about that time a student came by and I said good morning and continued to walk up the didn't say another word.

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So. I wondered. In my imagination I have wondered about. That scene. Where I think you really. Know. What. Well it was always a little iffy because some people drove us and. We had one group of Jerry would agree and was. One of our staff members and he and a group of parents are brothers.

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Went down the Florida and they were coming back and they. Had a terrible accident and kill everybody in the car except Jerry would be taking about a year to recover from injury but he came back and graduated but. They were always run the sewer was a track athlete did the discus and the javelin and the shot and I got to know him well and glam because they used all the athletes used to bowl the shot put down the hole it came and balls whatever they could find and you could hear.

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So and he. He and his girlfriend had gone to church meeting in Livingston New Jersey and they were very interesting so they went down to get a coke and they were coming back to the church. And a flat big flatbed truck carrying wire. Sand and make a U.

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turn right across that that main highway. Not separated and got about six lines and so he twirled around and the truck driver did and then he didn't allow enough room and so the flatbed truck sort of he stopped with it stretched across all of the northbound traffic and Ron.

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Jammed on the brakes and spun the car tried to spin out of the way but his saddle was crushed up against the flatbed truck the girl one of the spools of wire flew. On my own and took out one of her I was in but she is a K.

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and he survived. And came back to attack a couple years later and graduated got a lot of grief from Rutgers I think and is still living in the. Well. We we want up to. To New Jersey and testify. Like. That when when we when we were women's domain Tory the.

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The women kept complaining because they wanted nothing because of the guys don't need a license but with that with the young women we complain there were enough lights around and it was very hard to feel safe or even be safe coming back to the building and so and one of the staff meetings I just invited the button and the various people to come down and when it got dark.

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Yeah to look at it and so they they agreed to come down and we went down and I think within a week they had bright lights all over. That way here well it worked out alright. Brandon found some of those went work for Halliburton after graduating and but but he was seeing you counselor and.

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And. He found a dog and so we adopted the dog with Ralph just a mongrel dog and Cha I who was one of the Saint Bernards I can't remember what fraternity had it but but chaing bit is back a leg and so Randy took him to the vet and I think the negotiated with the fraternity and the half and half and we took up a collection of them but for a while but there was there was one person who was always on ramdisk case and Randy was trying to get him to be quiet.

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And whatnot and. So he came to complain about something and it pushed him so off out of the store and he had to study for a quiz they said just the school way and so the guy went away but he came back later and he says let me tell you he says You pushed me and you put your hands on me and I'm going to tell I'm going to I'm going to tell the housing office I'm going to tell Do I want to tell everybody and that'll be the end of you and then that your job and the Says he says You mean just because I pushed you back a little bit you're going to go tell me and.

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Doing such a bad job and everything he said I sure am he said they won't mind if I hit you. Back. But let me know but you're not supposed to do that so. You you. Julia serialism the student the first you Allison Brown and he had a he had a little name tag that said Julius Ariel and underneath it there was a written chemist.

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And. Back in those days we had windows death and inspections already had to go around and make sure every everything was neat the course were made it would be as all of the maids made up the beds but but they had to the students had to keep everything else and in good order and every Wednesday inspection I would I would tape over the chemist with a little piece of masking tape and put a professor of English.

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And so sure enough a couple of years later Jews transferred to every. Major in English later got a piece of the young taught English for years and years and years. So I think the great story we've got another whole story in your minutes well the less fun everything everybody has probably more.

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I think if you had this. Story. You actually went back to that lever story. There's a wonderful story. Here is the time issue yeah you can do that on issue I was as it was a Chinese student and he lived in Smith. And he. Was his fall off they were from Shanghai and the rest of the family emigrated to some Paolo Brazil but Tony was left in Shanghai to stay with the grandmother and support her until she died and when she died he came over to Brazil and then when he came off to college she came to Tech and the father.

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His second language is Portuguese ran a Spaghetti Factory in a cigarette factory in Brazil town and now is running mason jar factory and my car cargo cardboard box factory and Nigerian law goes but but. He was in love with American Girl and he couldn't write her love letters because the students and the residents and Smith would track to.

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The would tell him bad things to put in the letter. And that would really mean that he thought a lot of and so. So he came to see Jane to ask what. He came. To keep telling me that he wanted his letters to be yeah so we got to know him and and.

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Yeah yeah through the years and and Jane finally told him that he was thinking of. Beginning to get serious about an American girl and Jean said so your parents would never forgive you if you if you're married. But you know next you know there are one last story that.

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When I was. Before class a lot when the first two or three years I was. When I was that like. A student. Could you tell us the difference between cannon may. And for some reason without even thinking leapt upon the table in front of the room and I said I can leap upon this table as I stepped off onto the floor I said you may not.

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Be just a good lad. But. I don't. Think I think you.