But what we're going to do tonight in the next forty five minutes to an hour or so is I'm going to share with you. The techniques that I've developed throughout my life when I'm stuck when I have to come up with a big idea. And you'll be able to use this when you walk out the door. In fact. Usually people e-mail me within days saying hey I tried it this way cetera so I expect you to do that I'll be available if you need help but at the end of the day on one hand I'm a rocket scientist which is very left brain analytical and on the other hand I'm very creative. So I'm going to help you sort of reconcile how that works because I can't sing and dance for the life of me. So the first question I have for you is what is who here thinks they're creative. I know you don't really want the guy next to you to know you said that. So the interesting thing is when I do this with kids. Imagine this room is full of second graders and I ask Who here thinks they're creative What do you think the room looks like. Not just this is this right. They're jumping out their chairs who call on me. The problem is when we get to be adults this is usually the response I get if I ask kids creative I get a few people that put their hands up. But my favorite ones are the ones that go. Because they don't really want the guy next to them to know that they think they're creative. All right so what is creativity. I will come back to that think about it. Some of you know you have it. Some of you know you don't we must know what it is right. So if you think about it may have to stand really close to this. If you think about how to drive value right at the end of the day you want to invent something I would assume that makes a lot of money. Otherwise it's called a hobby right. And if you want to be successful you have to time your actions accordingly right you have to know about the cycles and time your actions accordingly. But what I would argue is that the bulk of the value goes to the person who changes the Times not the guy who just changes with the times. I get lots of people that say I'm flexible I can change with the times. That's great. You're always follow and somebody's right. So I'm going to show you how to actually change the times. Here's a poster that I keep in my room when it comes up slowly. Hopefully it'll come up on my screen but not yours. Yeah. Welcome. But there it is OK so these are the attributes of someone who made the tenth grade history book. These people change the times not always for the good but they change the times. Now the reason I like this poster is if you look at some of these attributes you would not have gotten a star by your teacher In fact you probably would have gotten put in timeout. If you exhibited some of these behaviors. So some of these are yes they're creative they're quirky but these people are rebels they piss a whole lot of people off. They're completely irreverent they challenge assumptions they are not always popular. So to make a difference. It's not always what we would consider good attributes right. But these are important attributes if you really want to make a difference if you want to do something that is truly innovative you have to be willing to do these types of behaviors not just the things that you were taught in second grade get you in a on the test to get you all the little gold stars from your teacher. So one of the things that I'd like to challenge people to do I do a lot of speaking at schools etc is I would say if your goal is success. You're thinking too small. Because success is finite success means you got an A on the test you got the job you wanted you won the race. You won the game but significance is infinite. That means you have changed the world you have done something that has changed the lives of people that either use your product or interact with you and the behavior that makes somebody significant is not the same as success. You have to be willing to be the contrary and not always popular you have. To be willing to challenge assumptions not easy to do when everybody says that's the way it's always been done. You have to be willing to get out of your comfort zone not just stand up but stand out. That's not always fun to always be the one that's different but that's what you have to do to change the way that you think. And you have to be creative. So we're back to that word is going to tell me what creativity is. All right. Ability to see things in a different way. What else and the body. Yeah make something new in the else. You know think outside the box the box there's a stereotypical box that we're all trying to get out. I'm not sure who put us in there but we're trying to get out of it. My favorite definition is the ability to look at the same thing as everyone else but see something different. The reason that is my favorite definition is every single person in here can do that it does not mean that you can sing or dance or draw. Right. It's about problem solving. There is no better place on this planet to find problem solvers than the Georgia Tech campus so creativity is about problem solving looking at the same thing as everyone else and seen something different. So next time somebody asks you who is creative you better all put your hands up immediately. Here's the challenge we have though. If creativity is the ability to see something different. Innovation means you have to actually make something valuable out of it. I know a lot of people that have offices full of flip charts with really cool drawings on it and they haven't made anything they're creative but they're not innovative innovation means you created value. Entrepreneurship. Add something else. What's missing. So you can be creative. But not be an innovator. You can be an innovator but not be an entrepreneur what do you have to add to be an entrepreneur or risk. Absolutely. You have to add the element of risk. So the first thing we're going to do is a little exercise. OK. The challenge we have is we are all creative but it atrophies over time so it's sort of like me going to the gym and I only lift weights with one arm the other arm with atrophy. So the first thing I'm a little godlike about the first thing I'm to do is show you some exercises that I use one of the things that I do these graphics just take a lot of come up is the tests for creativity are the same tests men say uses for the genius society. One of them is fluidity which is the sheer ability to generate ideas. So what I do every morning as soon as this image pops up you'll get to see it as I take an object and I give myself two minutes to say what would I do with that. All right so what can we do with a box of baking soda plain what else but that make a volcano. Absolutely. You want the science fair didn't you. What else should teeth. Well it's going to put in there for a generator odors right. What else that you all have ideas and you're not shouting them out. Do you know why because you're critiquing your ideas right now shout them out. Absolutely. What else. Yeah. They can clean and deodorizing that's a good thing. They told us that yes snow you can make Snow White House so let me tell you when I do this exercise with kids. I can put a group of second graders in a room and we will come up with over one hundred ideas in two minutes. If I do this with a group of adults My favorite was a group of accountants. I think we really stretch to come up with twenty five uses the interesting thing is think of most of the uses besides the snow and the cocaine. Where did you hear about those uses. There on the box right there on the box. We've been taught that that is what Baking soda is for. So we don't notice what it could be but if you asked children to come up with uses my favorite is the little boy who said he would mix it with vinegar gargle with it and go as a rabid dog on hollow Wein does a great idea and another kid who said he poured all over his front lawn go skiing. Then you have people say well I can make a castle out of it because it's an orange box. Right. It's one square. The problem is as adults we are taught. We know what baking soda supposed to be used for and we can't get around that to notice that it's really just an orange box with white powder. What would you do with that. So you have to get away from what you know and get to what you notice. That's where innovation lies. Innovation is not on the back of the box and believe me. Armand Hammer is not an expert on the only things you can do with baking soda right. So you have to challenge the assumptions which is what you're taught you're supposed to do with it. So here's a little exercise everybody has to participate. I'm going to give you a quiz. And what I want to ask you to do is on the next slide to give you a series of words I want you as a group to read me the words out loud I will tell you ahead of time that your left brain reads words so yellow and blue your right brain reads color. OK So the first thing I want you to do in the next slide as a group outloud I want you to read me the words. OK ready. We did that about eight seconds. Now as a group out loud. I want you to read me the colors ready to go. OK. Took three times as long. If you do this with a second grader they will do it in the exact same amount of time because in. Second grade your left brain and your right brain are still equally developed our challenges our left brain is way more developed right we flew through the words but we had trouble with the colors because it is hard for us to say the word yellow when our left brain sees the word green right. So what we know gets in the way of what we notice we notice it's written in yellow we know the color but our brain says no that's green and so part of the key to innovation and creativity is to get the dominant side of your brain to check out right. It's got to stop dominating and that's what I want to give you these techniques to help help you do if you walk away with I'm going to give you two or three things that you have to remember when you walk out one is what you know versus what you notice it is the key to all innovation innovation does not come from what you know and that sucks doesn't it. Here we are we're spending all this money to be great engineers but innovation comes from what you notice. I notice that there's a need in the market that's not being filled. I notice that I would design my toothbrush differently. I notice that this is a pain to use. That's the key to innovation. What you know is usually what gets in the way of innovation. It's the way we've always done it so the key is to get beyond what you know to what you notice. The challenge we have is we all reach our peak of creativity at age five. By age eight we're down to thirty two percent by age forty four. We're down to two percent. It's not real optimistic right and what are most companies run by five year olds market might be doing better. What was the good thing is it goes up when you retire but what happens at age five something happens to all of us why does it drop. So significantly. We start school right. We start school and all of a sudden there are how many answers to each question. One who has it. The. Teacher where the teacher get it back of the book right. You were taught to find the answer and then you're done. That's why they call it a final exam right Dr Vito you don't have to know it. After that it's final. Yeah yeah. So let me show you an interesting observation I have a five year old so that's why you hear a lot of examples of five year olds. When I was little and you bought Lego is they came in a box a big bucket. They were made of little squares like this with lots of different colors. And you had to if I wanted to make a castle How did I do that I had to imagine what a castle looked like right. If I wanted to make a flower what I have to do. I do make up what a flower look like. Who's been a target. Recently and looked at LEGO is can you buy boxes and I know you have you have a five year old two can you buy a box of like those anymore. Now. Legace now come in kits and you can buy this this set of Lego's which has the one thousand one hundred thirty two pieces that you need to build this castle. OK And the pieces are even carved to look like that castle. And in that box is an instruction manual about this thick you think that's for the four year old. That's for me that's for mom right. And I'm supposed to build something that looks like that. So the first time I started to build something I mean I'm an engineer. Right. I know how to follow instructions but I didn't want to follow the instructions so I put the instructions aside and I started to build something that my son set up you're doing it wrong. I said How do you know he said because it doesn't look like that. That is scary. That's not problem solving. That's following instructions. If we're going to teach people how to think how to do critical thinking and creative thinking we can't give him the instructions we have to let him imagine a castle. So then he told me. OK let's make a dragon and I said great. You said we don't know how because when the instructions for that right. So this is the world that we're going to and I think this is a challenge for all of us to sort of fight that. So we all started school at five right. Quiz every Friday there's always ten questions that makes it easy for the teacher to grade one answer to each question teacher has it. It's in the back of the book once you get out of school. I can tell you for sure that when you get your first job and you're given a task. You will be woefully disappointed to find that there is not a right answer. There's not even a formula and if you find the right answer. What most likely is going to happen is your boss is going to say Great find me another right answer. Another right answer. Right. I just spent twelve plus years trying to get my hands on the teacher's edition to get the right answer. But innovation is only evident in the tenth right answer the fifteenth right answer the fifth right answer the first right answer is NEVER innovation and that's a challenge for those of us that have been taught to get to the right answer. Now please don't go tell your civil engineering professor that I said there's not a right answer and then you get your bridge upside down because I remember that from a get in trouble for that. Here's an example of a first grade question which of the following does not belong with the answer. So everyone in here would not get one hundred on their kindergarten first grade test the answer in the back of the book is an orange because the rest are red. But I could argue that at least when I was growing up a tomato was a vegetable. Now that's a fruit I know we've all been misled and you could argue that a strawberry is the only one with the seeds on the outside. Right. All the other ones have to have seeds on the inside. So there is not one right answer and the challenge is to always question when you get. To the right answer. If there's a better one. So let me show you an example of what we do every day when we're faced with a challenge. These are the bad guys rushing to town. Right. So this happens to us every day we're riding to the desert somebody puts a tollbooth in front of us and we stop and go back and get dimes. But it doesn't look like a tollbooth What does it look like what it looked like and what could be a railroad What else could be a problem right. Your set with your study group and you say hey I got a great idea and the guy next to you says that won't work. We've already tried that. That's a tollbooth. So the answer is not to say You're right let me go back and get a dime and say well how would I get around it so we have to find a way to get around the barriers that we think are stopping us but that's really the key to innovation. Right. So there are four barriers to innovation and I'm going to give you a technique to get over each one of them. The first one is visibility. It's in your head. It's an individual barrier. It's why none of you were talking earlier when I said what we can do baking soda because you're thinking us a dumb idea. Sunanda like that one right. The second one is expression that's what keeps us from sharing the ideas. The third one is the most important it's reality. That's we're going to spend the most of the time because that's why. You know versus what you notice and the last barrier to action which is all of you that have great ideas and never do anything with it. It's a group dynamic. So there's companies all over that say lar we come up with great ideas but we never seem to make it happen. That's because of the action barrier. All right so the first one is visibility. Where do you come up with your best ideas in the shower. Where else in your dreams when you're sleeping fall asleep wake up where else in the car. And where else shower sleeping car before falling asleep kind of right in that in-between time running with that. Before class. It's OK. It can be during class you don't have to be painted as in. All right. How many of the things you listed happen during a workday or class. None of it happened in an office building. They don't happen in all the places we say we're going to brainstorm. That's not where your best ideas happen. Some to give you the David Letterman top ten of all the years I've done this. This is where the top executives in the country come up with their best ideas in the long run as the big one listening to a church sermon the good thing is I've actually had a minister. Say he comes up with his giving the sermon So you're forgiven. The next one is during a boring meeting that is the only one that happens during a work session during a boring meeting. So in your case that would be a boring class right. What do you do when you're bored in class you doodle doodling is the first sign that your left brain has checked out. It is not interested in what the professor saying. And so your right brain takes over. That's why you draw you probably draw shapes and you probably draw the same thing over and over. Triangle colored into another triangle colored in your doodling will standardize by early thirty's and if you want to change that. Try doodling with your other. Hand. It'll be completely different. Listening to music exercising some I said running falling asleep dreaming waking up driving is a big one. These are the people you don't want to be behind because they do not remember how they got to work or to school because they're thinking of their ideas the shower reading like leisure reading. The toilet the bathroom is an amazingly creative place right. Toilets and showers are two of the top ten and playing with children. What is common about all of these activities. That there's no stress what that. You're left brain is not interested in what you're doing right last time I checked you don't go for a run and say Right left right left right. So you're left brain checks out it is not interested in the activity that's what frees your right brain which is slightly less dominant to come out and start participating. So the challenge we have is these are not the activities that you're usually doing when you're trying to be creative. Right. You're with your study group we've got to come up with an idea we've got a flip chart out we've got a brainstorm you're probably not in the shower right. So how do you force your brain to check out and there's ways to do that now part of it is to know this activity like for me if I'm stuck. I will go for a run. I mean I'll just go out and walk I've got to get up walk around that's why I'm always walking around the office and never sit in my chair. But if you think about where we spend our time in your case it's probably somewhere between where you live in class and group meetings etc In my case it's in an office or in a meeting room. The thing I would challenge you in your personal space. Whether that's an office or a dorm or an apartment is what do you have that represents your goals and I'll show you one of the things that I keep which is this very large shoe. I had to start. A company with Shaquille O'Neal this is actually his shoe man must have really big luggage right how would you ever travel and this reminds me of two things one it reminds you to think big. That's for sure but there's an interesting story when I first met Shaquille O'Neal was the year that he had won all three M.V.P. trophies regular season and finals and I went to his house and I was so excited I thought this is so cool. I'm the see all three M.V.P. trophies right. And I walk in and there's pictures of Michael Jordan and him there's pictures of him doing everything that there's no trophies anywhere. It's like man was the trophies and he said when I was growing up my dad had a rule that if you won an award or a trophy you could keep it in your room for two weeks and at the end of the two weeks you had to put it in the basement because if you were so focused on celebrating what you did yesterday you couldn't possibly be focused on what you were going to do tomorrow and I thought that was so interesting because I thought about my office with my diplomas and my a war and my speaking tour and things like that and there was nothing in my office that showed my dream. What I wanted to do now that can be a long term dream. Should it be the dream home you want to have it could be the vacation you want to go on or it could be the project that you're working on that you've got to come up with a great idea in the next two weeks right. But whatever it is have it in front of you because if it's not in front of you you are not thinking about it. That's the stimuli that gets your brain go and so the second place that we spend time is in groups right trying to come up with ideas and brainstorm and most people have no clue how to brainstorm when I go into a group and we say well we're going to brainstorm now we're going to put out a flip chart we're going to take a few minutes and we're just going to dump everything we know on a piece of paper that is called brain dumping there's nothing innovative about that. That is taking everything on the top of your brain and putting on a piece of paper and then when you kind of start to go and you quit having gotten a brainstorming yet. What does a storm have in it. Lightning right. It's got rain. It's got electricity that is not in most brainstorms. Now a lot of people say well if we want to brainstorm better we should have a facilitator. Right. We get the person in there that's going to pull the questions out now ask questions and that helps a little bit. The challenge is statistically fifty percent of the people in a group are extroverted and fifty percent are introverted introverts are not shy introvert simply have a different process between formulating the thought and expressing it verbally they're about eight seconds slower than an extrovert and doing that extroverts like me have absolutely no filter between our brain and our mouth and it all just flows out the challenges introverts score higher on all creativity tests. So if you're going at a fast pace the way most facilitators go you will miss the fifty percent of the population that actually scores higher on most creativity tests. So the way to do that is to start I always put up flip charts and I give everybody a marker and whatever we're going to brainstorm we just start writing ideas spelling doesn't count grammar doesn't count pictures are great and then we start talking about it because everybody can write their ideas at the same the same speed. So let's think about a brainstorm. This will be an easy one and I'm not going to give you two minutes because we don't have that much time but I want you to if you have a piece of paper and work with the person next to you. It's not called cheating. I want you to list for me all the fast foods you can think of. I How many do you have come up ten six ten twelve. It's like an auction who's got more. Anybody. All right let me give you a couple pictures and see if this adds anything to your list. Anything to make you think of anything different. You know. All right let me show you the challenge with brainstorming remember our first test the baking soda test that was fluidity which is how many ideas you can come up with the second test for creativity is called Association. Most of us when I do this with a big group and we give the full two minutes almost at a minute on the dot the room goes from being very noisy to very quiet and all of the words are replaced with. And people are saying well is that really fast food on the. And you're trying to think you're sort of done dumping and now you're not sure what to come up with right. So most of you if you think about your lists how many people's list started with hamburgers hot dogs McDonald's Chick fil A PIZZA AND cetera everybody's got that on their list right that's probably your first ten or fifteen. That's not innovation you all have it right. How many people got to food that is fast to prepare anybody. OK. Fast food food that's fast to prepare soups. How many people got to food that actually moves fast anybody. Yes put in the back and they are both hands up who they're that moves fast. How many people came up with any foods that are fast when they move through you. Anybody. Now. All right so here's the interesting thing. Innovation is stewed prunes. It's not hamburgers and hot dogs so to get to that you have to stretch your thinking. Now the challenge I have is a lot of times when I say I want you to brainstorm fast food there's always one guy in the room that says what do you mean by fast food. What do you think that is your left brain talking I'm sorry I can't brainstorm until you define it for me right. That is your left brain talking the other thing is if you look at most of your papers you all have a column of words going down the left hand side and if you ran out of room you started up at the top again that's your left brain organizing your thinking OK so you're left brain is still dominating but if you want to get to innovation you have to get to Stude Prinz Now when I put the last piece up what did you all do you laughed. Right. If you know brainstorm and somebody throws out an idea and someone else laughs we stop everything and we focus on how to make that idea work because when you laugh at something. It's because something is true and it made you uncomfortable. That's why you laugh. That's your visceral reaction. It's true and it made you uncomfortable. The innovation is to figure out what is true and it's not always easy but if something makes you laugh. That's the innovative idea. You've got to peel away the things that don't make sense to get to the part that made you laugh. And I'll show you some examples of how how we've done that. Now the second barriers expression how many people remember the first time you how to write a book report. Remember. Third grade what I used to say what do you have to do first and they say read the book. OK What do you have to turn in first and outline how many people wrote the book report and then faked the outline to match anybody that's the way your brain works OK if you think about it. It's a little bit nuts to say that you should organize your thoughts before you have them write it doesn't make any sense. It's if you were to go to third grade classrooms today. They don't teach outlines the way we learned them if I wanted you to write a paper on what you did for vacation. I would tell you to write the word in the middle of the topic in the middle of the paper and fill the paper with the first thing that comes to your mind what did I do for vacation What activities did I do. Who did I do it with where was I. What were the activities what were the surroundings. Now once I've filled that piece of paper. I can go back and I can group like create my outline right. So the second thing I would tell you is next time someone asks you to brainstorm something and it's probably not going to be fast foods. Don't start with your paper up right in the upper left hand side turn the paper sideways write the word in the middle write all over the place and angle everything that will change the way you think because you're left brain can't find order in it it will drive your left brain nuts to create a piece of paper that looks like this but this is what your brain storm should look like. Not a list of things. My favorite is when people say they're going to brainstorm and they have three flip charts and they say over here we're going to brainstorm this but then over here we're going to brainstorm this right. You're organizing You cannot organize before you have the divergent thinking which is the brainstorming so the minute you're brainstorming if you start to question what you're doing critique your ideas that means your left brain is trying to fight its way back in the control and you've got to get it out some of the ways that I do that when I'm in groups is to have things in the room that cause your left brain to check out so it can be you know you see people with toys or things that they just sort of play with the Get your left brain to check out a really good one is magazines. That's why I put those pictures up. Scenes. If you're brainstorming about an electrical device don't have a double e magazine and the room that will not get your left brain. Check out In fact your left brain will find that particularly interesting. The other thing with magazines is you cannot flip through them from the front to the back. Because again your left brain will find an article that's intriguing. It will start reading it. That's distracting. I had a group one time they called a week after a session and they're like we tried the magazine thing and everybody got distracted. If you flip through a magazine from the back to the front. You will be amazed at how many ideas you come up with because you're left brain cannot find order if it's going backwards it can't attach itself to anything. So next time you're on an airplane or next time you're at the bookstore pick up a magazine that you have no interest in could be cooking. Pick it up and look at the back and flip through it and if you have a problem in mind it could be a very technical problem you will come up with ideas by flipping through the magazine because the images will trigger something else in your mind that you will relate to that that's where innovation comes from it's where would you never look at the third barrier which I told you is the most important what I say you have to remember what you know versus what you notice what you know is reality all innovation happens in opposites. That's the key word know versus notice opposites. Every innovation happens in opposites. I can take any industry any product any company any service and I can trace its history through opposites. It's like a spiral staircase. Because every time the industry becomes competitive and that commodity is something the only way to innovate is to do the opposite. If to go in the opposite direction. Pretty soon everyone will follow that will become commodities. And you'll go again in the opposite direction. You don't go back. It's not like a pendulum you go forward. So it's very much like a spiral because that's the image that should be in your mind. So there's five. Or ways actually that I apply and I'll show you an example of each one the first one is if you are trying to brainstorm the solution to a problem. Most of us start out saying how do I solve that problem. That's the wrong question. The question I ask yourself is not what would I do but the opposite question what would I never do I always challenge people when where in the office. What would you get fired if you did. What would you never do see some as laughing. It's funny it's uncomfortable to brainstorm what would you never do. It's hard. That's a harder question to answer when I work with people on a mission statement or a business plan and I say What do you do. That's easy and usually they have such a broad statement that it's a nice way of saying I do everything. Who do you serve I serve everybody who do you not serve. Or do you not want and what is your product not do that is a harder question to answer but it is the more valuable question answer the second thing is I always tell people if you throw out statistics show that if you come up with an idea with an eight second somebody will tell you what's wrong with it. Ninety percent of the time it's you you tell yourself What's wrong with it and you kill it. When you hear an idea. Give it eight seconds to say what's right with it. You've got all day to figure out what's wrong with it and we're good at that right. Engineers are taught to be very critical thinkers we can kill any idea in five seconds flat. Give yourself eight seconds say what's right about it then think about what's wrong with it. But what I always tell people is the greatest gift you can give me is to tell me that won't work because that is for darn sure what I'm a spend the rest the day fixed on to prove you wrong. So when somebody tells you that won't work. Ask yourself what one thing would I have to change to make it work. Now the one thing could be big. It could be the customer's right I mean could be a big thing that's. To change but what one thing could you change the third thing I do is you can take any product any industry any company break it down into its components or its assets take each one of those assets and say what would happen if I took it away. I woke up tomorrow and I don't have it anymore. I still have to build the product I still have to make money. What would I do something would have to change then ask yourself the opposite question what would happen if I woke up tomorrow. That was the only component or asset that I had to work with I've built a whole company around it. What would it be. And I'm a show you examples so this is the last one is where when you never look. There's nothing I hate more having been a consultant myself than the words benchmarking and best practices if you ever hear someone say that call B.S. on them. OK. Think about that I have benchmarked myself against the competition and I've looked at the best practices. OK that might help you keep up. But how in the world does that help you get ahead. It doesn't that helps you be one of the followers not one of the leaders. So what I would argue is the answer to every problem you have already exists. It's just not where you're looking for it. And the innovation in a particular product or industry is not to look at things that look like it but to look in places that look nothing like it. So if I'm trying to develop a consumer product. The answer to my innovation might be in healthcare or entertainment and I have to find who does that well and apply it back to myself. So you should always be comparing yourself against things that look nothing like you and again I'm going to give you examples now of all of these so the first one. What would we never do. I was working with a group that did air freshener and I know what air for us. As glade makes things smell nice and we're trying to come up with new products. So what would we do we had lots of ideas we could put in all the products they have the best selling scent of Glade by the way it's called. And so the first idea we had was we could put potpourri in window cleaner right that could smell good too. And so we came up with some ideas none of them were really that groundbreaking and then finally we said what would you never do what would you get fired if you did and there was a man in the back of the room and he said I would get fired if I put Popery in raid. This is when their products rate. Really you would get fired for that. Well Ray that is tough. Right. Kill bugs can be Popery that's for fruit right. We did a lot of market research that ultimately went behind this but I will tell you today the best selling version of raid is called outdoor fresh and between you and me it's actually Popery that a marketing person got ahold of and renamed it so that was tolerable to men. But it turns out you can be tough and kill bugs and not smell like crap but we wouldn't have gotten there if we hadn't said what would we never do. That's how we stretched the thinking I was also working with a company in Boston called Bay State gas gas company and we took their products and we put the team in a group and we said we give everybody an asset and we said what would happen if you took it away and what would happen if if that was all you had one of the largest assets that this company has is vans and automobiles vehicles because between the hours and nine and five they drive around neighborhood streets and they read your gas meters and that was one of the assignments. Was this group got assigned the vehicles the fleet of vehicles and we said what would you never do with them and one guy said I would NEVER rent them out for bachelor parties. And I buy laughed. So remember we had to stop OK that's what we're going to make work we are now renting out all your vehicles for about parties. Well it took us a while to think of. At it and the bachelor party part was what made every day a laugh and so but when we peeled that back what we realized is that all those vehicles sat in a parking lot between the hours of five pm and nine A.M.. What else could we use them for so they now use those vehicles for delivery they rent them out to other companies to deliver dry cleaning and groceries and all these other things. The bachelor parties made us laugh but it made us think of night time we had thought about night time before and that's where the ideas were. Here's another example which you may see some of this pretty soon coming out Valvo I did something interesting. They created the first ever all women's design team to design an automobile they put a group of women engineers together and said What would you do with a car. Now the interesting thing about this car. What I find the most interesting is the hood does not open. Unless you're a mechanic. Why would I open the hood. Why do most people open the hood to put windshield wiper fluid in what else do you open your hood for when she changed the oil. Fix it. To pretend like you're fixing it right it looks good. If you stand on the side of the road and look at everything in there and look at how dusty it is and they have no clue what you're looking at. But most people open their hood for two reasons to check the oil to put in a freeze and to put windshield wiper fluid and those are the three things that people do so on this car the nozzles to put in or freeze it when she wiper fluid or on the side next to the gas tank when they're up front but if you're putting them in a nozzle just like the gas tank. There's no need to open your hood to do that you can put it in just like you put gas in there's other things in this car as well in terms of the seats swivel so that it's easier to get in now. With kids etc This group of women looked at cars totally differently and they came up with ideas that one might think are only useful to women but in fact. Truth be told. Most of the people in here probably do the exact same thing when they open their hood as a female does which is stare at it and wonder what they're really doing. But they changed the paradigm. Here's another example. This is further up here in Midtown I used to run a real estate development company. If you were to go up Peachtree or West Peachtree you know when you get to the point where the statue of all the naked guys around the globe is right there before the Invesco building. And it's where West Peachtree impeach street come together or you get on the Buford Highway connector. OK So that's this little piece right here the statues and this little piece of property this traffic is going eighty miles an hour. Right because that's getting on the highway and I know that because there's a little eighty year old woman that lives in this apartment complex and she volunteers at the museum from Peachtree Street and it is like watching a game of Frogger every morning when she crosses the road right. She starts across and you see the traffic accelerating. Well the interesting thing is you see the big red arrow that sort of quarter circle where the square building is we owned that property the real estate company that I worked for and we wanted to build something on it but we had a challenge. We had eighty mile an hour traffic going right by the front of the building. Not really inviting for a hotel. What we really wanted was to be on Peachtree Street. Right because that's that's the high dollar address and it's also a much more enjoyable environment but we needed to come across that piece for the statue is which is owned by the federal highway system by the way. So we went down to the Georgia Department of Transportation. Most Some went to Georgia Tech a roomful of engineers and we said we have an idea we want to build a building but we want to build a walkway across the eighty mile an hour traffic to Peachtree Street right. And they said you can't do that. And so I said why. Interesting thing remember that chart I said creativity we reach our peak at age five. By age eight it goes down. The average five year old asked ever three hundred questions a day. What do they start with why write until some adult says because I said so. The average adult asks less than a third of that number of questions a day. What do they start with. What. When WHO how much. Right. Think about that. What when who How much are facts that is what do you know why is what you notice but as we get older we stop asking why because we're embarrassed to let somebody know that we don't know something we think it's more impressive just to show that we know things the challenges all innovation comes from why. And you have to ask why fifty times. Right. It's that little five year why why why why why good because I said so but we have to get back to why if you haven't asked why at least fifty times you have not gotten to the right answer. So we went in there and they said you can't do it so I said why. And they said well because we can't figure out how to value the air rights. OK so I went back to my office and I dug up all different examples of valuation of our rights came back a week later solve the problem. We still can't do it. What I say why. Right well it turns out we can't give the private access on public property. So I started thinking about all the buildings I know that go over public property right the financial center in Buckhead four hundred goes underneath it. I went back in use that as an argument they said well the building was there before the road. So we still can't do it why we can't figure out how we would value giving you access so then I said well wait a minute. I still live in Boston when I want to. A school and there is a grocery store that goes over the Mass Pike and they came up with a reason why that wouldn't work. So after about the fifth meeting I came in and I said you know what if you go up forty one. Cobb Parkway to work Cumberland Mall is there is a walkway that connects Cumberland Mall to the galleria right. Forty one is a federal road and they said well that's different because that's a public walkway honest to God you know what I did I walked out of the room I shut the door. I walked back in and I said I want to build a public way for my building to Peachtree Street and you know what they said that is a great idea and so this got approved. The wrong question the answer was there but I had to ask why enough times to get them to realize that the question wasn't about money and it wasn't about permits and it wasn't about public versus private do you know the difference between a public walkway and what I originally wanted to do. It's just where the security desk is that's easy but most people would have viewed the first meeting as a toll booth and they would have gone back to the office and said you know we can't do it but you can do it but the key is the question you got to ask the right question and you got to ask it over and over. So remember the third one. So I told you the first one. What would we never do. That's what won't work. The third one is I can take any product or industry and trace it through opposites. So think about the grocery industry when my parents were little food came to the house chips came in a can diapers came in a bag milk came in little glass jars and a little metal thing at some point that business became too competitive somebody decided to do the opposite and said you know what we're going to put the food in one place and you come in. What it looked like what it looked like grocery stores right we have bricks and mortar now that became more and more competitive started to come out of ties. Somebody said you know. We're going to do the opposite. We're going to put the food closer to you now it doesn't look like the old thing. What it looked like what was the next evolution in grocery. It's now all over the place close to you distribute a comedian stores right there is a seven eleven on every corner. That became more competitive started to come out of ties somebody said no we're going to do the opposite. Again put it all in one place you have to come in. But it looks like. Sam's Club right now you have to own an S.U.V. to go grocery shopping right. That became more competitive. We're going to distribute it again. What does that look like. Online shopping right we've got streamlined Peapod etc Every industry goes through opposite think about the computer industry. It was bigger faster more memory bigger faster more memory somebody said let's make it smaller. The P.C. was born every industry. So when you go home tonight think about the area that you're interested in see if you can trace the opposites figure out which extreme you're on because the innovations going to be in the opposite direction figure out what you would change to go in the opposite direction. I can take any product right so this is a product I was working with a company that does soda. Does anybody remember the clear soda that came out. Pepsi free whatever it's called huge failure. The team panicked what are we going to do. That's a huge failure we've got to come up with something innovative. So we brainstorm for a long time. Nothing really innovative we said All right let's just break down so what goes into it. We've got coloring we've got sugar we got water preservatives cans trucks etc what would happen if I took just pick what would happen if I took all the preservatives out. What would I have. There's no preservatives right how long would it last an hour. This could be bad. What who would buy that. Who would buy that. People on the beach. Who else would buy something that goes bad really quick. Needs it directly you all things that go bad really quick. What are they with that. Disposables think about when you go in the grocery store while you're in college. Maybe you don't buy it. It's not in a package. What does it look like it's part it's an apple right. It's fresh. It's healthy. There's a whole industry around healthy beverages now. Odwalla fresh Samantha you pay a premium for a beverage that will go bad in a couple of hours if it's not refrigerated right. What would happen if I did the opposite. Let's double the preservatives you know what the dang thing would last forever. Who would use that college kids. Who would use that but that campers absolutely outdoorsman who else military who else astronaut's NASA. With that. Doomsday theorists They're stockpiling. Who else. Red Cross absolutely disaster relief third world countries. So all of a sudden we started to really stretch our thinking what could we develop in the world of beverages that addressed all these different users. What if we took the water out what do we have. We have syrup. What are we going to make. We can cook with it. Sure why not sell the syrup wealth can we do with that with that instant mix right sell the syrup shoot. I've got water and I use my eyes will give me a carbonation then let me make my own right. What else. That's out now by the way. What else. I've got syrup. I can make candy right and be a heck of a lot cheaper to ship than all the in all the cans and bottles already filled right. What happens if I double the water. It's really watery with a little bit of flavor. That's what Gater it's doing right now it's got just a hint of flavor right. Spritz or. As flavored waters there's a whole industry that's grown out of that what would happen if I took the sugar out. When taste good diet right. What would happen if I doubled the sugar. Energy drinks right. One of the things we got into is we played around with sugar right sugar can take a number of forms of glucose fruit sucrose one of the things that came out of this brainstorm is actually the highest margin product on the market. It's called Blue Cola it's for diabetics very specialty market but very high margin. What would happen if we took the coloring away. What do you think they said when we asked that because we just did that it failed and then let's do the opposite. What if we doubled the color. Different color she came by ketchup that's purple these days. Right. I mean what if we doubled the color what's the opposite of clear black What's really dark that you buy with that in this beer but really dark coke. What else coffee. What's really dark coffee. Spreads So who makes going to suppress So Starbucks the outcome of this brainstorm is a product that you now know is Frappuccino it's a joint venture between Pepsi and Starbucks because that's where we started stretching. But if you just started thinking of new beverages. You're only thinking about you. Right. It's hard to think about what would an astronaut use what would a diabetic use what would a camper use that cetera. The only way to force your brain out of your comfort zone is to stress it by taking things away and then saying what would happen if I doubled it create the extremes. Because the extremes are where the innovation comes from. The last one is where would we never look remember this is anti benchmarking and best practices. So I know hands on Atlanta. I mean no hands on Atlanta. Hinson Atlanta is an organization here in Atlanta. It's a nonprofit and very often I know it. Tech the organized groups to go maybe paint a mural or clean up a playground or something like that. So I was working with the board of hands on Atlanta and they said. The market's down we can't raise money. What do we do. We've benchmarked ourselves against all the competition and I said Well who did you benchmark against other non-profits OK. I said well what do you really do and they said we're a nonprofit I said well that's nice. That's a structure but what do you really do. That's a hard question to answer. Because if you peel back what they do at the surface which is organize all of these community service groups and have activities at the end of the day what they really do is they take people with needs and people with resources and they match them. That's what they do neighborhood playground needs painting for eternity group has extra time they need community hours but I gather right. That's what they do. Who else does that who else takes people with needs and people with resources and put them together. Have others do that right. Jobs people together who else but that. Dating websites absolutely matts dot com right people with needs matching together. Who else you laughed by the way I'm going to tell you why that was important. Real estate brokers. Absolutely. Craigslist. So what we did ends on Atlanta is I said Stop looking at nonprofits look at Match dot com or whoever is the best online dating service. Why are they the best they do something really good or they wouldn't be the best. The key is to figure out what they do and then apply it to the world of nonprofits. That's innovation. Nobody else in the nonprofit space is doing that. What we ended up doing actually was looking at a group called Outta they may place tennis. How to manage just to take one hundred thousand people in the city of Atlanta and get them at the right. Tennis court with the right fried chicken and the right time on a Saturday afternoon right. Is this amazing logistics organization around tennis. But what we figured is there were things that Al to have done amazingly well that they could learn from so hands on Atlanta actually improved itself based on the Tennis Association. But you can also think about for example I was talking with the C.E.O. of Coca-Cola Enterprises one time and he said how many companies do you know can get any new product onto the shelf of every store every vending machine every gas station around the world and six. Just like that. Why assume the answer is nobody but you are all she would have said it so in fact Lee right. But the question I asked him was. Why did you build that capacity. Why did you build that skill to be the best right to beat Pepsi. We built it to be the best. Who else would use that I've never thought about it. Who would pay you to use that. I know people that would pay a killing to get access to that distribution system and it doesn't have to be a competitor. So you could take that ability that you built to be the best and that could become a whole new revenue stream. One of the I was working with a cigarette company at one point and when we broke down their assets. One of the things that they had on their balance sheet that we couldn't ignore was the class action lawsuit. Hardly an asset right. But we had to that was the challenge got to make a business around it. What are you going to do and what they realized is that they had created a series of processes to deal with a class action lawsuit that would not put them out of business now. It didn't help them win the court issue but what it did help them do is NOT go out of business just process seen the transaction or they were dealing with the process. Who else would pay for that they ended up creating a whole separate business that if a company goes. They're a class action lawsuit. They can hire them to help them organize the in from the questions deal with the issues and not divert the C.E.O.'s time in a way that they go out of business. Termites are fairly fragile animals. Yet the temperature swings greatly and the way that they serve is that air flows into these termite hills through all these channels and when it needs to be cooled it goes down into the mud and when it needs to be heated it comes up to the top or a constant temperature even though everything around it's changing. He did the same thing in that building. There's no AC or heat but they move air through the skin of the building in a way that it maintains a constant temperature day and night and it saved a rich amount of money. The other question I have is Did you know that peacocks are actually brown they're not any of those colors that you see their feathers are actually made out of a material that reflects light differently and creates prisms and there's researchers now looking at could you take that concept and come up with a new environmentally friendly paint for automobiles. So someday you and I could all be driving around brown cars but yours might look red and mine might look blue. Where would you never look. How would a peacock influence a car. The last barrier is the action and remember I am an engineer so there is a formula for everything. If you want to increase your ability to come up with that next big idea you have to increase the numerator and decrease the denominator right. So we have to come up with more ideas goes back to the baking soda. The more ideas you come up with the better chance you have of getting a good. You have to multiply that by the number you implement. Plus the failures not minus a failure is not a negative as long as you fast and you fail forward. The earlier you fail the better because you can recover that people have is when they get that first failure they ignore it. They don't want to deal with it. It's a little embarrassed. It will not go away. It will become very expensive to deal with. So when you're starting your projects over the next couple months you will fail a bunch of fun but when you fail to address it immediately figure out how to fix it. That is a positive not a negative. You have to have a shared vision otherwise you got creative creative people running all over the place and they run amok. And the last thing is the penalty for failure has to be less than the penalty for doing nothing. That's the part most companies fail at if the penalty for failure is greater than the penalty for doing nothing. I wonder why executives are shocked that nobody comes up with new ideas because it's more painful than just doing nothing. So you have to allow yourself over the course of the next several months to realize that the penalty for failure is no big deal. Fail fail a bunch trust more new things. It's no big deal in fact you should celebrate it. So let me give you an example. This is a picture of a good friend of mine. Her name is Sara Blakely. Sarah is the founder of product called Spanx which most people destroy may not know. Although there is Spanx for men now. Spanx is a company that does paint a hose and things like that she started this company with a thirty thousand dollars loan from her grandmother she got a local mill in Georgia to agree to make a few of them so that she could go to Saks Fifth Avenue and test it out. So they are now owns and over two hundred million dollar company that has never had a penny of debt beyond the thirty thousand dollars that she paid her grandmother back. She is the sole owner of the company. The interesting thing about Sarah is when I met her dad for the first time she told me a story. And when she and her brother were growing up every Friday at the dinner table. Her father would ask them what did you fail at this week. And if they didn't have an answer. They got punished. They got punished for not failing at something that's interesting. Men. Parents would punish their child for failing at something. Her dad punished them if they didn't because he said if you didn't fail at anything this week. You couldn't possibly have tried anything new. The challenges most of us weren't raised that way she was raised in a world where failure was celebrated not punished. So now that you're on your own you've got to enforce that on yourself. It is OK to fail it is not embarrassing. It is not negative. In fact it shows that you have the courage to push the envelope. Because if you don't push it. How will you ever know where it is if you run around in the middle of a bubble. You don't know where the edge is that comes really hard from a kid to grow up as a rule follower right. But you have to push the envelope. So here's my final takeaways. Your greatest strength is your greatest weakness that is true of every person every company every city every country every entity. Your greatest strength is your greatest weakness that is opposites at work. If you can figure out what that is like I will tell you right now if you ask my husband my greatest weakness is he will very quickly tell you that I am stubborn as can be but that is also my greatest strength because remember I said if you tell me some won't work for darn sure what I'm going to focus on. So use that as your strength your weakness is your strength. Most people hide from their weakness because they don't like it you should actually focus on it. Your best ideas happen when you lack resources my favorite thing and one of my company's People used to come up and say. I can't do what you asked me to that's my five year old kid. I can't do what you asked me to because I don't have enough fill in the blank don't have enough time I don't have enough budget. I don't have enough help. I don't have enough people you values these I don't have enough. My response is always good. If you have unlimited resources that is easy. That's easy. If I gave you all the time in the world how long it's going to take you to get. Done all the time in the world right isn't it amazing how you can expand to fit the time that you have right we call it procrastinating but you expand to fit it. I give you five minutes to do in five minutes of a given twenty or twenty. If you lack a resource you are forced to do the opposite constraints to come up with something creative. If you have all the resources that is easy. You will not be creative. You can even force creativity on a group with resources. So think about the economy that we're in today we should be the most creative people on earth we have no resources right. If you find yourself with resources force yourself to imagine that you don't have them. That's where your ideas will come from so scarcity is a good thing. The last one is now there's two more the power of the mayor. When I was in business school I met a woman who wrote a book called Women world leaders and she was trying to study women's leadership style through change but she couldn't find enough C.E.O.'s to do that and so she ended up interviewing at the time there were eighteen women who were current or for heads of state. Not while T. but they had been elected prime minister or president of their country. The most amazing thing that she found is none of them have ever met each other. So we're talking Margret That's her big this from bog or tonsil chiller never met each other particularly right. So she brought him out of Boston and I was a student that helped host him for three days so for three days I sat at the dinner table with these women and the most interesting woman that I sat next to was a woman named biggest fan. She has been the president of Iceland for over. You know I thought was interesting about her is she told a story and she said in my country little boys ask if a boy can be president. I thought that was funny. Of course a boy could be president. I would use turn on the television right. She said But that is not real because the power of the mirror is exponentially more powerful the closer it is to you. President Obama is not real to a little boy. In Iceland who has only seen a female president. So in our country that is not real and she said I challenge you to realize that as you're coming up with ideas you all have ideas for inventions or things that are going to change the world. The power of the mirror is exponentially closer. The closer it is to you. You can change the world but you have to do it one step at a time if you focus so much on this you will trip over this and the last one is the what versus the so what all too often what I find with with people in this competition with other business plans. Is it is easy to fall in love with your what right you came up with a really cool gadget you should see the things that it is a whiz bang. OK great. What does it do. You got to see it it's so cool that is the what what's the world is is riddled with what's that never created value because they're called hobbies. You will make money on this. So what. The so what is more important than the what there are plenty of examples out there of products that were better than their competitors that did not succeed. I think about videos right V.H.S. was not the best technology. But it one there are plenty of technologies that when they're not the best the what did not win the so what one. I mean Apple is a perfect example of that right. The minute the user interface the design the so what is more important. So if you're thinking about your idea. And you get to be one of those final groups that are on stage and you're showing how cool your product is you will not win if you don't understand the so what the so what is who would use it. Why do they care. Why would they pay you for it. That is as important if not more important than the what you have. Because people with equal What's the person who gets the so what right is the person who wins not just your competition that's not what matters. That's who wins in the market place is the so what and think about that personally. So the one thing I've helped a lot of people with their resumes most people's resumes are a bullet point list of what I was in this group. I held this office. Great. That means you had a chair. But what did you do what was the so what what impact did you have that's what's important. So this is everything. I'm talking today is not just about winning the invention prize. It's winning the life prize which you're going to do when you go on beyond here. The so what matters more than the what. So at the end of the day you have to break through the barriers in the exact order that I gave them to you because if you can't break through the individual barrier in your head you will never get to break through the reality barrier. At the end of the day this is one of my favorite quotes don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself What makes you come alive and go and do that because that's what the world needs is people who have come alive. That's where innovation comes from you can't fake it and force it. And the one thing I will tell you just from years past in the open it up to questions. It is very likely that your big idea that changes the world has nothing to do with your major has nothing to do with your expertise. That's OK I'm an aerospace engineer that has a water company and a finance company. I mean we could make it fly. If we wanted to. And we use that for all the rocket science jokes but but it's OK. Don't put the pressure on yourself that says Gosh I'm a bioengineering Major I've got it. This has to be my breakthrough it doesn't. When you walk out of these doors tomorrow spend the day asking yourself what do I notice. What would I change about my life and make it better and it's usually the simple Monday non sexy things. The ones that work. It doesn't have to be complicated. Has got questions. Wow I was that good. I answered all your questions. Yeah. My biggest unfulfilled dream. I want to be president. Ited States. Because I want to change the world. Yes but that. What would I do and I'm president I would change a lot of things I think that when this country was founded The idea was that you played your role in society whether that was a teacher a doctor a lawyer etc And then when you were successful you took time out to give back to the community and after four years. You went back for more you came and we got that part wrong. Politics has become a career and it shouldn't be because the minute it becomes a career your human instinct is career preservation over doing the right thing. So change. It may also. Yeah. My biggest failure I've had a lot of them they're good ones. So take actually on the slide that I had a tell you a couple failures on the slide was Sarah. These this nourish product is a product that I patented. And the idea was a spill proof bottled water for kids. Anybody that has a child knows why you would want that because you live your life with spills all over the place right. So I patented this we played around with it for a while it was a hobby. Right. I did on the side I had my real job but I worked on that and then one day we ended up with a customer some I said that's great. We want to buy it and you know my first reaction was crap I have to go make it right and so we started to make it. We had our first order we had to deliver in the next couple weeks and the products started coming off the line and the. Collar was leaking. Yeah jesus not a big deal except that the whole product is about spill proof right kind of ruins the whole thing right and the problem was it was coming off the line hot. So the plastic was warping on the threading so I drove down a cow we did County Georgia pulled everybody together and said My gosh we've got to fix this right now most of the people sat there and held their breath because they thought I was going to chew them out and then to them out what would that accomplish right. I needed these people to fix my product not. And so I said OK well it happens right now how we're going to fix it because I got to deliver a product in about two weeks and so we saw one and half we figured out what was going wrong got that working and then everything was going great week before we deliver we started running them through the labeling machine and all the labels were coming off because the material we were using when it was hand applied looked great but when the machine did it it stretched it and it had too much memory it was trying to go back to where it was so it's having bubbles. So the first order of product that I shipped I hand labeled at my kitchen table. I had a whole group of people sitting there applying labels. While we fixed it again. We went back to the label maker we got to change the material and cetera. I mean if there's one thing I gained from Georgia Tech. I don't remember all my lift and drag equations from aerospace engineering but if there's one thing I gained I do still remember the final that I sat down and. And it was one question hundred percent one question and I had absolutely no frickin clue how to do that problem and I remember sitting there thinking this could be a really long three hours. Right. I don't even know where to start. So I could have like started sweating and hyperventilating and all that stuff but instead what do you do you take a deep breath and you say partial credit. OK. You take a deep breath. What do I know just start filling up the paper with things I know. I know this. I know this. I know the end game I have no clue how to bridge the. But we're going to work through it. I don't freak out when I have a problem. I mean any number of these problems that we had I could've run around I could have chewed out my supplier. Then he would have gotten mad he would have not wanted to redo it for me I would have to find another supplier in the end what I ended up doing. I pulled together every person that touched this bottle into a four hour meeting. So the guy that fills the water. The guy that does the labels the guy that does the and they sat there and we we walked through I'm the bottle everything that could happen to be what could go wrong and at the end the meeting the guy said. I've been this business for thirty years and I've never been in a meeting with all these people. I thought that was the strangest thing ever. Why wouldn't you put them in the room you guys can solve my problem. I can't. And so if you include other people. The biggest fear most entrepreneurs have is you don't want to share your idea because somebody wants. I Got News For You people are busy. They're not running around trying to steal your idea. OK I could have not shared my problems with them because any one of them could go do my product without me in the end I ended up with a team that is so invested in this product. I get calls from them because they come up with an idea now. I mean think about and I don't pay them anymore I mean I treated them with respect I included them in the problem solving and I created a team that wanted to see the successful and so part of that was I shared my idea and it's because somebody one day said to me if you don't share your idea how can I help you now. I mean you don't need to be. You can have N.D.S. and all that stuff but the reality is if you don't open the you by yourself or not as innovative as you with a lot of knowledgeable people around you and if I had one other piece of advice on that front. When you put a team together somebody asked me one time what would your dream team look like my answer was It would look nothing like me because if I put a whole bunch of people together that look and think like me. I mean I know I. I'm a pain in the butt I don't need five more of them I would put people together that are the opposite of me. They're not going to agree with me. They're going to be a pain. The whole way they're going to argue everything I do but we joke my business partner we joke that I'm the yes and she's the butt. But without her. I'd be flying up here doing all sorts of crazy stuff and balance each other well make sure you balance yourself and that's not easy to do. You'd rather surround yourself with people like you but that's not where you get the best answers. The first thing I did after college I went to Japan and studied Japanese and worked for the Defense Department and part of that was driven by. When I was younger I thought that it was impressive when people when adults asked what you want to be when you grow up I had an answer. I made it up but I had an answer and it sounded good but I was going to have the first female Ph D. in aerospace engineering teach tech and somewhere along the way I realized I didn't really want to be a professor now. I love teaching I loved engineering but I loved problem solving more than anything and I was very lucky that USA Today did the top twenty students in the country and I was one of the twenty and so I was selected by the Defense Department to go to Japan and you know what I first said not on the not of my plan. I'm sorry it's not in my plan and one of my advisors actually my my track advisor said you are an idiot. When are you ever going to get the chance to do something crazy like go to Japan and study Japanese. And get paid for. And she's like get your butt on the plane and go over there so I took a chance went out there and that's when I realized that I love problem solving. But I love the business world. I like to be in more chaotic environments where there wasn't one right answer and so I came back and I had a full fellowship to do a Ph D. in aerospace engineering and I had even interviewed for jobs not a good position to be in your senior year. And I got a couple calls because the USA Today thing and people said would you like to go into consulting and I said I don't know what do you do. I don't know what a consultant was. I went to the first interview with McKinsey and the guy said if you wanted to know at any point in time. How many quarters are in Lenox Mall How would you figure that out. And I looked at him and asked Is that what you do because that does not sound fun to me I know. And he died laughing this man in a suit you know started cracking up and he's like nobody's ever asked me that before this. What's a dumb question I mean why would I want to do that. He's like that's not what we do but we need to see how you think and I was like Good because otherwise I was done. But you know what you just have to be real because if that's really what they paid you to do I did not want that job and I would have been unhappy and so you know right out attack I ended up going into consulting what I figured out for me was that life was a series of figuring out what I didn't want to do I didn't have to know what I wanted to do when I grow up I don't intend to grow up by the way so I don't have to answer that question. But I've tried things and each thing I learn something from and I figured out what I didn't like and then I tried something else but for somebody I came from a family that was all about planning and I had my plan and I almost turned down some really cool experiences because they weren't on my plan and if I would tell you if you get a cool experience that comes up that is something you'd never what would I never do go to Japan and study is the one the best things I ever did. So if you get a crazy opportunity take it. Do something off your plan because your plan may be what's going in the way of your great idea. And I did the same thing coming out of business school. Another funny story for those of you going through recruiting I had done a field study for Disney and Disney was hiring for financial analysts so I had to go do the interview because that was my guy that I worked with so I walked in the room and the guy said so what would your dream job be and I described it to him and he looked to me and he's like well that's. Not a financial analyst let's that's not just me as I wanted to do and he kind of looked at me like that's our interview in four and he walked out of the room and came back and I thought the interviewer leaving the room in the mill of the interview is not a good sign. Right. That's over and he came back in and he said OK I am leaving Boston tomorrow at noon before I leave the hotel I want you to have a one page written description of your dream job and we're going to see if we can make it happen and my dream job was actually to work with Eisener And you know. And they came back with an offer to work with Judson Green who was number two to Eisener and basically do strategy work for Disney. I didn't end up doing that for personal reasons that I want to live in L.A. or Orlando. But what it changes the perspective of is when you think about your job and you see all these job postings. It's kind of stupid if you think about it that you're supposed to go in and make yourself fit the box. We set about thinking outside the box right there is the box. You're not going to fit a job description person perfectly. It's OK to tell somebody what you want to do. Shockingly enough they may just try to find it for you because most companies won't really bright people and they'll find a good role for him but if you play the game they lay out why would they ever go around it for you. You're the one that's got to break the game. If you want to do what you really want to do anything else. Yeah. Of whose ideas yours. I'm happy to. I'm happy to and I can give you my contact information I actually teach here part time in the management school. So I'm around and I'm happy to give you my contact information and help. I mean I very often have people call and say can I. Yeah I'm good at that. Yes.