I guess it's my first go to see me which is about me just about his real life really. So it's you know one can get him to like you like you are just more say hello guys I'm not going to do about you know the law but I HAVE TO YOU GOT TO BE OUR any of you have ever had a professional like their head in the faces. I mean she is great. Very good really really here for you guys really hears about you and I know that. So I don't know but she really busy writing email or just Joe said Tell me about class a little bit and I asked who this guy or who's the boss just as dumb as they are think if you just dismissed me back and they left with a lot of stuff about something so wrapped up it least acknowledge that where Squire Claire Claire. OK I was supposed to take you bought her music with the press sorry about it. Probably looked like she really are to be honest she said she's just like gorgeous and she says here precious precious chlorophyll siloed our own little doggie parting the drain you have short brother. Orders pressures are homeless. You're calling it she says it will bother getting back after that and we get we got carried. Here we're here. Here you know here. He you know if you know Kara all he's black. But I was forced to meet her. After all because it was like trying trying something for trying. And I think what he's got to be why we drank a lot of beers a lot of lower right. But but but also may come running and she can see if I got back where I do you owe your boyfriend love or we are but he's not here with me but anyway she gave me all the best and I have to just bring up one by their mail because you know what your view. Jordan very different part but they're just met but but anybody you know that that made up about Brandon Brandon so that ring a bell. He's there for you and he's really great a big strong strong guy well here's what she writes about you read you know backward and forward back. I don't think precious up yet precious is networks. So you may say that to them a feeling for a fight complete you want to let it a member of it I interact with for you guys that are I did call and ask you know if he was precious and that I write but as of this past week I think he's a pretty good guy but what were they said. This quest for the very interact and this is something a little different and it can be boring if you don't protest by this this kind of subject is for interrupting talk a little bit but a microphone cover something that a lot of you may not have ever heard about and then you guys are going to hold us into do shoot to do some of this material for a little help you like and that publicly just you've heard I'm sure you've heard about our lives but in public just doing it is just only insured by somebody like me on par with us in life. Probably that I need somebody to help me and I will maybe bring that Scrushy later after he's actually helped me and it's been really bad and somebody that I learned later in my career of much help I did the out how poor he was by the US. He'll speak to that and and I really want you guys just you know one of the big differences and I'm not saying this is just politically it proper to say but when we go to university you or your our operating and I should really smart rather than people think you fall asleep when you discussed brain. Maybe our age group. I don't mean every one of the forty myself but we were in the graduate school. So our. That's our look in the reasoning here something that they're yours talk to you about gauge and one of the planes when I went to day one of the dumber students ever ever to go through. I asked me if it would have been elected position I may have been impeached on that matter. But one of the things I did or. Well that's true. They don't want to go into this education you feel confident but the other is a world where he's a network to be engaged and it starts here and you know if you take just one nugget of information out here and it. No you are involved in something even if you think it's a dumb question off subject. This is your question. And you get out of it what you put into it and then then later on they all hold up you know one two three graduate make a lot of money you don't finish this education. Why do you ever without really want to like a good. Or maybe when you're so good. Some people really want to use your skills to you know they'll be fine. Whichever the best hospital I mean that's fine but that's what you do to take care to meet you half and you get out of it. Plus you know anything in life which put it so with that I try to show everyone thank you Jerry. You know whether we're at university. George or classes at nine o'clock in the morning. So you know that's really not fair. I mean I have three kids in college seven altogether and I can assure you that none of them would have gotten out of bed or sense a father. At nine o'clock in the morning. You know that such fine institutions as up mess. You know you know zero Mr that they're famous for not a lot maybe Let me I'll be in an Oxford up to my daughter has a chair that they say are you ready. Hot damn sis bam you know I mean that's that's pretty much what she got out of the on the cell phone. My other daughter is at University of Colorado in Boulder Colorado now becomes a mine in Boulder Colorado for just a pot that not bet your right I want to for our tree hugging. AM Pop Patri hiking. They also do play football and that's why we go there but you want to know something. It's read according my daughter used to be you know I was a kid but now it's it's really Dad Now he says I go why would you know but you know how much I'm impaired or I don't but it's what we do. I'm like really what we did right now it's not what they do I said I was I was hopeful but you said that you know in my book my other son is he say sophomore in the midst of that task at the universe Alabama. So you can imagine being at Georgia no bet I want to hear about Universe Alabama. But we had a good time. Now the other thing about the great University of Georgia which you know like Jerry says we're not here to throw disparaging comments but there is a little bit of a difference like we're in Iraq. Sure how one hundred fifty kids. It's the first place I've ever seen a lecture hall where everybody was in a lazy boy you know and the minute you start talking about feet goes back eyeballs quotes and you go wow this is really engaging. And it said Right you know Jerry spent through the same thing. It was engaging and I said you know Debbie uses engaging and you know different words have different terms like in my company. You know I tell her but at one point and Jerry says that he's going to engage our friend to do something we sent him over an engagement letter girl popped a chair up and she said Yes yes. Jessica was so excited to get a question. She goes. Now you know I'd be really disappointed if must be a better friend sent me over to gage what Rather I take the ring but I don't want a letter from I'm not psychotic that's not I think that's what we're talking about you know you know different things and different people in different places. So I think we started out with saying you know that that is you know who I understand that the topic is is transferable skills Deb Debbie said to me you know we're in a very bright group of kids and what I want you to do is talk about transfer. School so she gave me my outline and I want to kind of throw it out as a town hall meeting kind of like that you see with what's going on and she says we'll talk about some of these things so she says to me red red is really skills are important. Other than technical skills but really you think it would be the first thing that you think's important. Other than a technical skill anybody that social That's good. And somebody used the first word I was going to communication say communication. Yes that's what I thought it would There was one things I thought either than technical What other things would you think that are important. How about problem solving about you know a can do attitude about you know I thought it you know if it's not just a question of being able to communicate because if I'm able to communicate my ideas I'm going to be able to get people on the same page as I am writing for that term. And then as a result of getting them on the same page from Scott and from caught with a problem. I'm going to help solve that problem. You know there's also another term that comes up if in problem solving as part. There's a current term that I've used a bad time and I use it at my house I also and I don't know if I told this in the with my kids. I also coach the middle school football team. So you know we got a lot going on and I when I tell my wife my kids my players are if you're not part of the solution. What are you part of the problem. So you know that is you know something that you have to learn early enough because as you go through life. You're going to find that there's people that are winners and post and there's people that address problems and answer them and then there's people that run away from them which I think the other skill that I think is important. It's another skill that you think's important. Gerri an idea how about initiative and. But how about the fact that you know it from you know it as you see here you know couple of people blurt out an answer and you're like cat Yeah because I said that I knew also that the that was my answer or it's not your answer. Somebody else says it and how many times have you been in a circumstance. Whether it's at your fraternity or it's out in your family or at a party where someone throws out something you know I see this all the time and you really want to do it but you don't want to be the first one to do it because gosh was everybody going to think if I'm the first one. And then you find out that that is the there may only be one. All right. Then you've got to hope and this is a horrible thing to think that you got to hope that person falls on its head so that you can be the next one. But if they don't then you've missed the boat and an opportunity so you know I think that other than technical I think that there's communication is very very important because again no matter how smart you are sitting here in this room. None of us know what. None of us were ever feel your brilliance. Unless you're able to tell it exchange that idea with us or our change my idea through your communication skills to get me on the same page. If you're We talked about the problem solving aspect of it you know if you're stood on the at the outside of a conversation and two people are talking at each other there see that they're usually you know it's like a guy and a girl girlfriend or husband or wife or my kids do it all the time that they're actually agreeing. I what they're only going about. But there's so intent on getting their point out that they can't really realize they're going down the same path. You know it's like when we were late to go to the field. You know it's all we got to get there because you know Coach is going to was going to be upset he doesn't like anybody not to be on time and my wife will go you know you got to. It's rather good to feel because gosh knows you know there's all this stuff going back back and forth we're all saying the same thing we got to get to the field to get there on time but we're so intent on telling each other. Ron I we need to get there. Nobody could be in the car so that we can get ourselves to the field on time so you know those and put those are things that come up with time. If you know in my world. Where there are things that the Debbie asked me to touch on less rise communication and team building essential in today's workplace communication and team building essential in today's workplace where we talked about a little bit of it was was one of the things we just talked about problem solving getting people on the same page. More importantly right. Because if you're in the if you're in the workplace and you're giving and get given a task. All right and you're the person who can raise their hand and say hey I'm going up front and I'm going to do this now your boss has given you the task of whatever it is you know bring our sales figures up higher get the lawn cleared bring the presentation group together for the convention but you now here in charge of a whole bunch of people who have a riotous skills you've got your lighting person you got your your advertising person you've got the guy who's going to be the moderator and it's your job to get all these people who have really not a lot in common other than the task on the same page and bring them down the road together. So you know in office. Some people have variety of methods to do that you know you've seen the guy who yells and screams get over here. You know you've seen those guys you're going to do it my way. Well you might do it his way but are you really going to be happy about it. I mean think about it had how many people have been told to do something and did it were. The smile when they've been told to do it if you guys anybody. It's no fun isn't. But if you were the team leader. And you were to say look let's all talk about how we're going to get this play launched. OK And here's what we it's got its next Thursday. So what's the best way to go about it. You know everybody starts out with a room like this. Nobody wants to really venture an idea. Well we have to get something we have to get one thing started then all the sudden as the team leader you start to see what people's talents are you know one person's an artistic guy one guy's a practical guy one guy's a money guy one gals a a leader and she can get the costuming done. You know those things come out just by letting people talk about how they're going to solve the problem. And as the team leader is now you've identified the task masters in those areas and you didn't tell them what to do you just ask them for their input and now all of a sudden everybody is rowing in the same direction. Hey we got to get this thing done and more importantly they're doing something that they want to do as opposed to something that you've made them do or browbeat them into the ensuite having to do. The other thing is what we talked about you know it is goal if you're if you're the team leader you want to establish what that goal is. Hey this goal. We have to get this production on by next Thursday. OK so how do we do that brought you the next thing after you identify the people that are in your team and their talents. You have to prioritize their goals don't see and talk about the scheduling aspects of moving forward. Do you have a company called up Procter and Gamble Procter and Gamble. Then what it would do you think they make the. Everything the community sample what they make just what they had peace. You know it was a few of those guys you know they make it out today make up they do pardon. Yeah huge paper but like Brownie and all those kind of that's what they make. Well yeah. They also had restaurant division. You know the same company makes things that you know fry mac Sterling oil and that kind of stuff that's if you want to McDonald's the stuff that they drop the oil that they make the french fries out of it that. Yeah they make. I mean that's that they make those kind of things were you know the secret of Procter and Gamble's success in training their people they have one paramount phrase and it's a so simple. You're going to say you got to be kidding me. And they've been doing it since a company started plan your work and work your plan that simple plan your work and work your plan. And you know and some of it when you when you think about it. You say My God is that it. But when you think about it isn't that really all it is is you just want to make sure that before you do something you have thought about all the eventualities. And how to get your team to the finish line. It says my advice about your expectations just leaving college into the working world. How many words grade levels everybody here. Junior Senior fourth year fifth year seniors. How many of you have jobs right now like career oriented jobs that just job jobs. How many have interned in the job that in the job field that you're interested in did that in turn ship make you more. Convinced that that's where you want to go or say man I didn't know it was like this so hard to do something that was something else but what do you think what your experience right. So that now as a result you changing your major looking for Jack. You know God or is it that you go alone or yeah yeah yeah yeah we're good. All right. You're here. You know they are and you know we got here. What about the expectation of what your parents expect you to be versus what you want to be. I know that I could I get this place us close up of him place and when he sent it out to his folks that you know. My God Wow. All right Josh. You know what to do what you're really good and or work with a big company they had or better yet and they found out that it was all right. You know for a whole year with that very low sun that was eating all of that right back or somewhere. It was on that. Now let me give you a practical example that is I think that's excellent. Is that my daughter interned with us for the stuff for two years and then she worked with us part time and we gave her the title of Director of Marketing and Jerry knows alarm and that warns job she did everything from design our Web page with our what the design team. She picked out our corporate identity to marry it with thought web page you know about her business cards letterhead that kind of thing she was scheduled meetings with Gerry and events that we threw like our corporate parties. She arranged my counter so that you know we did events like this and then she also embarked on marrying our company's interest that with a new product that Microsoft has a scald. C.R.M. customer relations management program you guys from the what that you did you ever deal with that you write about. Well it's a it's a way to track your leads and how how you leads go from a lead to a sale and then you can use that same entry to track not only the lead the sell but all of the contacts that came out of the South. You know future opportunities and so on and she and but and she really really fell in love with that because what it is is Microsoft that this out of box it's just a box programmed she what she did she worked with a guy that we hired to customize it to a company. Well then you know then it came to the fact that you know I said that while I was the company that we own will. I used to work for my father and as my daughter reminded me. No one can take advantage of you more than your parents with respect. Particularly when you're working for them. You know and I felt that same way when I was there at my dad and obviously she felt that way. Don't me she felt under appreciated. All right. But what she learned was that so then she put out so well you know the only way you're going to really learn how bad it is here at all. Well claim is go out and in the job market took her six months of interviewing every place to find a job but she found a job with a software company who was starting a C. I'm project so that she meets with the sales team and the marketing team and so on and she comes back to me at Yale and she gave me a present and it was you know like and I said What's this for and she's brilliant because she goes Dad I'll tell you what it's for she goes I was in a meeting in my first two weeks and I there are six people who do the jobs that I did it were all client and none of them know the end product of what they're doing. They've been told the task but they don't know how the task relates to the company overall plan. So they never really were able to take the initiative to Briley. Finished the project out because they only were able to see the inside of what someone gave them. So that's what Jerry was to follow but Jerry was saying is that's the difference between working for a big company in a small company big companies that don't translate their mission statement and their ideas down to the individual level have a disconnect with getting tasks completed by the people they've empowered to do the tasks for smaller companies that give people individual freedom to express their artistic or their knowledge based selves are going to benefit more now. The downside of that is that we waste a lot of money on bad printing you know because my daughter didn't know how to prove prints and so on. So you know where is that that's that's where the big companies are afraid of their afraid of inexperience people taking those positions. OK well like black or white or zero zero zero zero zero zero one will. You know where you are told all your life you're all. OK or you're all you're doing or what. Like ours. What out here in front of the camera with the producer and song we had the C.N.N. film crew who helped us do the company spot that we did so you know what you got to try it out again it's translating things that you learn technically and how to how to how to apply and worldly and no one knows what I didn't know she had that's those skills. Yeah no. Go Go ahead. You want you now and then the communication side is that on is out on the production side like what Jerry signed up with line like the film crew side of it or would that be in scheduling and and selling oil right. Well you know I mean the way you hear it you know that you know that just to take a corny phrase and throw that back. It's not the size of the project you're assigned to it's the size of the project inside of you. All right. I mean it's only a big project if you look at as a big project. You know if you come out of it where they can do attitude you stay within budget. Who's to say you can't do anything about those you know that the stories of that or the mass stories in the world you know Bill Gates started Microsoft as garage the Google guys I mean they're multimillionaires they were. Never afraid of taking that leap forward. You know and you know what. What is the say what is the limit of what you can do you know and and it came down to the problem that I had with my daughter is how far do they go with limited amount of experience what I found in dealing with people of your age is that you are far more advanced technically and imaginatively than the people that I know so I will use that knowledge to to give me the out of box thought that you're like out of the box do that all the time in my twenty's has become intertwined. We do that all the time you know to me and Jerry that's like you know you turn a not a light now. I mean it's not always like that but I would say those are the kind of things that you take for granted that people are looking to employ. And if you can take that technical skill and usurer ability as you want to do to communicate with someone that is a rare commodity in the technical world where you know what's the biggest disconnect that you think we have with we we are right we are you know we're off my shoes were or were you know paid or not. Yeah yeah yeah. I bet they're all. You know all that good a lot of it. The other thing about that and Jet Jerry's ideal point is that when you. You know I've gone back and for people that rely on e-mail you go back and forth with e-mail back and forth and you man you're like the first phone not a great Type A So that's just the hassle me and second of all there's no emotional connection there. So you don't know if they're kidding. Not kidding serious. It's the communication aspect of it. Whereas if you pick up the telephone and and say hey let's spend ten minutes particularly I find this in big companies. Let's spend ten minutes and get together on this point you will find that that ten minutes is going to solve a lot of problems that you would have never been able to solve through emails and misunderstandings and also stuff and then you know you also then have the accountability that if you did solve that. And I think that's another thing that I think that is a difference between your generation and say ours is the countability aspect of it. I mean everybody wants the responsibility but if something goes wrong it's his fault he didn't understand what I wanted. OK. He didn't understand what I was telling or maybe he understood exactly what you were telling him but you didn't tell him enough because that's what I. I'm to be the case because I'll sit down again and using my daughter and I'll say OK show me exactly what you show them. Tell me exactly what you said and then I'll go on. Here's why. The quote was wrong is because you didn't tell them this and then you know at the end it day I think that with the way. Gerry and I were brought up were there to say you're right because you know my aunt my dad you know had the strap right view you were right. You know and he chased around the house and whack on the back and I had rather a back of the leg you know that's just the way you brought up did today. You know that's just not an acceptable corporal punishment I'm not saying that that's why I do it. I'm just saying that you didn't you learned that some point that you know if you if you fell down. It's OK right. Just admit it you want to the next thing because you're going to learn from that you know there's a there's a phrase that I always remember that that and you were talking about spoiled or work ethic I look at spoiled you know when you're out of class you want to be B.M.W. who doesn't you know I mean. But if you. If so let's say you got the B.M.W. All right then what do you want next I want the big house a little like got that. Well if you got it all and didn't really sweat equity again how comfortable are you in your skin where you are you know are you are you are you there because you got there through toil and sweat and trouble or you did you get there and you're looking in the mirror and saying Man do I really belong here because if you have that question then you've answered it for yourself you know the foundation isn't a strong it's the House that it's built on and those are the things I think that people are looking at when they're interviewing younger guys and younger gals we the the other thing that she asked me to talk about was best practices that I've learned that I've learned and the you know I think they come down. To a couple different areas. You know the first one I would cause that is the human aspect of it and that is that what do you think is a human thing that you've learned that such you apart from the guys that you're that you left behind in high school all those things where you think one thing. What's at the terminations That's not bad but what I was looking for more for is treating everybody the same treating everybody as an equal. You know because if you if you treat the guy next to you the way you want to be treated. We talked about the team building. Aren't you more likely to get something accomplished with a peer and someone that you're trying to push around. I mean I see that with my kids and I see that with you know people that I deal with if we're both on the same page and I have an equal respect for your opinion I think you and I are going to go on a lot of ways together noble and I'll tell you that there are the practical reason for that is exactly what you've seen out there in the world today. Guys like Enron and all these major corporations that the mass they do you know where the term masters of the universe came from who's read the book The Invisible Man Now it. Well in the Invisible Man there's a guy named Sherman this is name and in in New York and Ross Street all that they call it Sherman because in New York. We talk like this because we're a little bit better than everybody else from Wall Street because we're dressed like this and we're smarter than everybody. And we are the masters of the universe and the phrase master and Sherman worked on Wall Street. So there is use may have seen in the recent problems that Wall Street's had they referred to these. Guys the traders and and the bond guys as the masters of the universe and that's where that came from. But what I found is that if you treat people right. There's another phrase that comes up is use usually tend to see the same people on the way down that you saw on the way up and they'll remember. So I these guys who are the masters of the universe. I'm sure there's a few feathers they ruffled on the way up and the question is now that they need a friend. How are they being treated on the way down and if you look at it. I always think about that when I think about the companies that they battled out and didn't ballad out you know why didn't Lehman Brothers get back with out the other guy dead. You know my theory is Lehman Brothers were Harvard guys Bush is a yellow guy. I'm not going to help our guy. I don't know if that's right or wrong. That's just a New England I'm from New England. That's what a New England guy looks in at that but it could be just the same as I'll tell you another story that you just shifting gears. Another story that I heard whether it's true or not is you know the dice a play in town. Michael Vick remember Michael Vick probably the most tragic story next. The O.J. Simpson of anybody I've ever seen. But there's a story that a friend of my tone a guy. One of my best friends played for the Atlanta Falcons and the Green Bay Packers and he said you know why this happened Michael Vick. Why do you think dogfighting. Why do you think it happened. Here's the story that they told me story is that you know everybody knew all about that. But Michael Vick doesn't know if you remember the story that he was supposed to show up at the White House for a rose garden thing that Laura Bush was putting together. And he didn't show up. He missed the plane and so on and so forth. OK And when this whole thing happened. The. The information got up to Bush because culture of Department of Justice and all the science stuff and you know they're making appeals through the people in the government a new Michael Vick and it came up to George George Bush and because Michael Vick didn't show up for the Rose Garden of that George Bush the story goes said you want to something where I can help out. Michael Vick. So that's going to another example of you know the people on the way up in the same people on the way down. Now whether that's true or not it's an example of the things that go on in life whether they're true or not. Urban legends those those things she think about it makes sense. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't think about it yourself. The other thing I thought about is best practices I've learned is that the practices of reading people's body language. So what would it. If you're talking to somebody in a guy like this with a town in town disinterested defensive they're saying you know you know if they're you know it. Yeah those type of things that and if you if you ask a person a direct question. And they look away right before they answer what do you think the Taliban for not so give me an example what you mean but there but wouldn't you think more than the up to the left and up to the right because I mean that's that's more technical than I don't know but I would if you say that I agree with that I would think that if you're going to answer the question and you know the answer in your answer truthfully you know look the person in the eye. If you're going to slant the question or need time to think you're going to look away. You know that's my personal opinion of what the. As on. Now if it's up to left and up to the right. You never really thought about it that way but I can tell you that someone is going to answer a question directly usually looks in the eye. If you want to make a point you want to engage the people in the eye and if you know if you're if you're up in this kind of position and you're having to give a presentation of some people. What do they tell you they weigh who's done. You know the death public speaking courses here at school. Now I got a story about that what they tell you is that you should scan the room. Try to make eye contact with everybody. So that you know you find people are going to sleep and you find the people that are going to sleep but you know to try to speak to everybody at the same time. Now if they don't have public speaking courses in the school. Nobody nobody likes to deliver. I can tell you that right now when you were in grade school did they have from book reports or book reports who's done none of us have it. When's the last time you did one. Did you run that is the class before that before the how what were really one of the last one before that did. Does it something will do that I was wondering about that are you comfortable doing it. Exactly. It's one of those things. It's just like anything else. The more you practice it the better at it you're going to be but. You know nobody wants to do it the first time I don't care who you are and you know that was my first time doing anything like that. I went I don't know if I mention it. This class but I went to an all boys military Catholic high school. Sounds like fun. I actually was a lot of fun because it was prank day every day you know think about that but it really wasn't a fun. In part was is my school surrounded by three all girl schools. So you know that was fun too because they didn't have anywhere to go away and everywhere to go and you know so you kind of had a set of people that you're going to in a react with kind of like the original when the fraternity sorority star teamed up that I'm finding out from my frat test excited universe Alabama that's how they get to me you know in a relate with one another but I read as I did the last thing I wanted to do with anything was a stand up in front of hundreds of people and do this stuff so Brother Aloysius Meyers. Rock passed me in the hall on Degas first go to thirty public speaking. I said yeah I heard about it not interested. He goes No that wasn't a request. You're going. That was my sophomore year in high school for the next three years I had to do it not because I wanted to it's because he made me do it. And by the time I got out of high school I was used to it. So then when I got out of high school and got into sales. I realized that sales is nothing more than one on one public speaking trying to convince someone of whatever argument that the public speaker gave me that day and the other thing that I learned more importantly about that rez that when you're selling anything because I train ourselves means what you do you think the most important thing. There's I think in my opinion there's two important things about selling anything. What do you think they are that's very very good. That's number one do you think another thing is product knowledge. So you got a. You know I have confidence that you are what you're selling and you have to know the product inside now. I'll tell you something else that maybe there's three that I'll take the other thing that's the most important I think in this is when you you should consider this the most important thing to take away from here in my opinion is that no matter what. Right. You're selling people stop listening to what you're talking about and look more at you because most times they're buying you and not the product you know your product is equally is you know band fab Pav of somebody else's product but it's that person that they're dealing with so what I tell our sales people is you people like you for who you are don't thank you everybody is friend. Everybody in this room has friends don't they ever he's got a group of friends that. Yes everybody does. And you know everybody has a certain appeal to someone and you know they're all those reasons why people like you whether it's because you're funny. Whether it's because you're shy whether it's because you're confident or brother it's because you know you have a little bit of a devil may care attitude about anything. If you can bring that aspect of your personality into your pitch then that's when people are going to buy from because then they know you're not trying to sell him something you're trying to do your job to help them with you know obviously trying to sell him something but you're not being sales he about it you're being yourself and I think that that's a big big important trait in movement moving through the next step. We talked about and what that also does. I think if you are selling yourself. It gives people what you would say not only confidence in your product but they have confidence in you. Hey you know that guy's giving me the straight shot. You've heard that before as a straight shooter and out of that confidence. What's the byproduct of that confidence when you think about the good successful sellers right. But trust was the word I was looking for trust. If the person knows that you're telling them the right program thing. And you're telling them with confidence and you're sincere in the way you don't deliver it. Then they are going to they're already there to buy they're interviewing you in three other companies they want to trust the person to deliver the goods that they think they're buying that's what they're looking for another best practice that I like that I learned this comes into technical Now you're going to laugh and I'm sure you will. But I'm an old school guy so technical to me is that this is pretty low tech the best single technical thing that I can pass on is something I learned from Jerry Washoe Jerry Warshaw no matter who calls him returns the phone calls that are made to him every day no matter who it is now Jerry may not want to buy from somebody and Jerry may think that that's the craziest the furthest thing from his notion but he'll pick up the phone and he'll return a call to two who ever has called him that dad and said hey I got your call. I'm really not sure if this is where we're positioned right now I'll get back to work they'll say yes you know we weren't there but the point of it is if you Jerry is the is the head of you know has been the president of the National Park when Association president of the Foundation for the national parliament Association in Atlanta from work with the Olympics and when you call him. You're getting a call back. So when someone calls you. I know it's easy because I know this guy I know what he wants and huge thing it's human nature. I stare at that number and I stare at that number and I don't want. Call he's a pain in that I don't want to talk to guys but you know what I learned that Jerry calls me back I'll call someone back I'm going to call him back and I'll tell you as you get more responsibility. And you are now the big cheese or the bigger chief the bigger the chief that returns those calls. Believe me. Guys like me and I've known Jerry twenty years he now he you know he and I call we we have a relationship but wrong before we had a relationship. Your turn my phone calls because he has good business practices and knows that that's important to do to at least let the other person know hey they're out there working hard to remain I want to buy Think about that to die and that person I've been telling that story about Jerry for twenty years and maybe a first time I told that to in front of you. All right. The other things that Jeff that I get kid about a lot is the fact that I have seven kids and so Debbie said to me how do you manage your time between your work and your family because we I own our company and I manage my my family and who is here is from a big family. How many kids in your family five that were already with Stone Mountain. OK. That would see it as a body have brothers and sisters. Yeah OK. Is your dad's work for themselves or do they want to work for a company who is that works for themselves. Whose dad works for a company mostly a company. All right so it's probably not uncommon that your dad in you of had the conversation about money. We can't do this because all right. Because of work or because of this or because of that it's it's. No matter who you are rife husband provider home economic engineer whatever the politically correct term is of the day it's always a struggle because that you want to be there no dad doesn't want to be with his kids. No mom wants their husband work and twenty four hours a day but we all have our jobs to do so we all have to sit down and talk to each other about expectations. You know hey tonight for instance I football practice. So I can't be to football practice because I have this project to do so you know if you spring it on somebody a last minute. What's that say What's that say to you. Yeah. Right right. What's it say to you if I don't tell you about what I'm doing until the last minute what's that say to you could only liable. Maybe How bout I don't respect your time because now I'm going to ask you to take my place in maybe taken a kid someplace inconsiderate that's good. All right. But you know unreliable and considerate but the point of the matter is is that you have to talk about what you really can manage and can't manage and bring everybody into the loop as to you know what the real expectations are. Hey you know honey I'd like to be there seven nights a week. Rod I work. You know has that who's come across in a private life something like that. You know you love it. You know your girlfriend has a has an something to go to you can't make it and there's a problem. You're laughing wife with that but it never happened. You're always happens. No good go behind it. OK. It is as a it has I have been a body recently. Well you're lucky because it's a it's not because. People don't want to do those things. It's because usually they hate the alpha person guy gal tends to over commit and therefore underperforms because they spread themselves to thin so what I've the way I manage it is to do the best I can and tell everybody what I can and can't do and then you know who want to side in hurt feelings you know those things they just happen. It's like who saw Forrest Gump movie Forrest Gump. You know in the movie when the guy gets splashed with the with the mud and he wipes his face and you know the sign you're see the shirts. You know it's the smiling face what happens. We all know it happens all right so I mean it's just that but that's part of life on the The other thing that that I think tends to help everybody understand that is that the time that I have when I'm with my family we tend to do things together. Now you know it's not always easy to do things like that but as you're going to be getting involved with it. Do you wrong. Who here goes. Camping with their folks camping you guys go up by play any sports here a huge It just was your dad the coach team mom mom's team mom a couple times always about you right. Yeah that's Thanks dad. That's the how about your mom involved. You know and you know something you can under it. You can't underestimate that and today as well. My parents went to every single one of my games yet. What did you spot where was at where was that OK Well and you know like the difference but I think that that you probably had that she would have like that as you know if you're going to coach me try to whistle on command have a defense here and understand the whole subject as opposed to being selective in your approach to the coaching aspect of it. And you know what we do at the fuss go ranch is you know my word I tell everybody that I'm a cheer dad you know cheerleaders now. Yeah. Did you cheer. Did you did well that to determine cheer dad is something that my wife uses you know they see the shirts. I'm a cheer dad the coach is football. So I understand that it's just as important for the cheerleaders to be out there doing their dance at halftime as it is for the football guys about their plans. So that's bringing the entire family into an organization and to something that you all can do and not just because you have to but because you will find something that you like about it. My wife is the is the director the football program so she does what she does best at home and everyone else she bosses saw out something that's her job and she excels at it and and now she has you know all the spec three hundred families that she has but again it's just a matter of you know what everybody does the best they're doing it together so that those are the. Managing time. Let's see that never think she wanted to ask is would a from not a natural born networker will I do share. I had already. Yeah because I lost track of time and yeah yeah yeah you know I think we've we've talked about a lot of the things that I was you know over and I think let me tell you that the thing that I think is is we talked about earlier and you mentioned it. The thing that I think about your generation leaving out of school is NEVER be to never be afraid to start too early. You know I've been doing this same job since February seventh one thousand nine hundred seventy nine I was nineteen years old and it's the only job I ever had. I've been all over the world with it and it was just one of those things that I got thrown into the side like that and you may not. You may find that that you know the choice between money and career and all those things I think the thing that I would say is that when you find something you Reich I can assure you that you're going to be successful at it because it's something that you can use your so your personality your talents and take everything that you think about yourself and operate it to the common good. If that's what you do as are making money or making your life better for your family so never be read and never think that you can't start tomorrow to make your life better for the rest of your life. That's probably my my number one thing any any questions before we wrap up. No a time for me right now. And besides I really never met before. Thank you very much for not.