This is an oral history interview with Paul J. Mitchell, Jr., class of 1938, conducted by Marilyn Summers on August the 17th, 1995, at Mr. Mitchell's home in Griffin, Georgia. The subject of this interview is student life at Georgia Tech. Mr. Mitchell, thank you very much for having us here today. Thank you for inviting me. Please, tell us your story. 

Well, I guess we'll start at the beginning. 

I'm sure it was a frosty morning, October the 5th, 1913, 1913, when I saw the world for the first time, I was born on a farm, 75-acre farm, in Spalding County, Georgia, which was two miles from a little town of Sunnyside, which still exists. 

Sunnyside really is the Methodist church there, which is a white building, still stands, still being used. 

And I, out in the country, played in the sand and with bare feet until I was five years old and then came the time for my brother to go to school and but he was only six years old that was when i was four i'm sorry he was six years old my mother was afraid for him to walk because it was two miles he had to go so she didn't let him go to school the next year i was five so she sent me along to protect him so the two of us i was five and he was seven in school two miles from our home we walked each day there and back and went through school together which annoyed him very much that he was two years older than I was and yet was in the same grade I thought it was great stuff but we survived it and back in those days it was kind of tough times on the farm but was much better than we realized it was until the depression came I graduated from high school in 1931 my older brother went to college that year and I couldn't go so I hung around worked on the farm for a year and then one day I said I'm going to Atlanta and get me a job and my daddy said well why don't you go to Griffin I said okay so I went to Griffin and I didn't get a job of course so then I went to Atlanta and I got a job by doing everything I dug ditches I sold real silk hosiery. I sold magazines. I ran elevators. And so my mother felt that it really would be better if I would stay and help my father on the farm. And I said, no, I'll make so much money that I'll be able to send you some money. 

Well, of course, that never happened. 

And then after being out of school two years, I decided to go to Georgia Tech, but I didn't have any money. Dr. 

Stuckey, who was the director of Georgia Experiment Station, and a friend of his, this friend was the father of a boy I'd gone to school with, thought it would be a good idea if I went to Georgia Tech. 

Well, really, I had wanted to go to Emory to study the law. I had an uncle who was a member of the firm Atlanta, and that fascinated me. I went out to Emory, and because there was no way I could possibly go to school, no possible way. 

So they took me to Tech, talked to Dr. Britton and wanted to know how I could get in there. And very simple, all I need was $100. And I still remember the ride back from Atlanta. Dr. Stuckey said to me, well, Paul, you think you can get up $100? 

And I said, no, sir. 

And his friend said, well, how do you know so quick? 

I said, because I have no idea how much $100 is. 

Well, I didn't go to school for another year. And then I got hold of $100, and I went co-op. 

This is a situation where you work for three months, and then go to school three months, work three months. 

So I ended Georgia Tech on the co-op plan. 

I wanted to take chemical engineering, but they convinced me that in the 30s that you couldn't get a job in a chemical plant, but you could in a textile mill. 

So I changed to textile engineering. 

The first job I had was at Clark Thread in Austell, Georgia. 

Well, I didn't really like the textile business, and I had ideas what the cotton mill people were like. And this, of course, was very important to my mother. And she was appalled that I would go to tech and study to be a lint head. 

Well, I tried to explain to her it wasn't quite the same thing, but in her mind it was not too good. 

But not because of that, but I had also wanted to be a chemist or lawyer. 

And since I couldn't go to Emory and take the law, I decided to change to chemical engineering, which I did. And I had worked in the textile mill. I believe it was three years I took textile engineering. And then I changed to chemical engineering and tried to get a degree in both. 

But like one subject in the textile, getting enough credits to get both degrees, so I only got the chemical degree. 

So, after I graduated from Tech, I worked for a company there in Atlanta, which was a part of Republic Seal, and I was headed for sales. And one day I said, well, now this is pretty stupid. I didn't go to Georgia Tech to be a salesman. I could have been a salesman and never even seen Tech. 

So, I wrote to DuPont and told them that I had gotten their application, and I told them I wasn't interested I was. 

So, they said, okay. And I went to DuPont, lived in Wilmington, Delaware, and worked in Deepwater, New Jersey. I crossed the ferry each day from Wilmington to New Jersey and back. I worked for the park for seven years. I was doing work in making elastomers and emulsions for textile finishes and some war products. And one day I received a letter from Dr. Stuckey, the friend at the Experiment Station. 

And in the letter he told me that the National Peanut Council was wanting to put a grant at the experiment station for somebody to stabilize peanut butter. 

Well, my work at Tech, I mean at DuPont, had been an emulsion of dispersions. 

Now, in order to get an emulsion, which is a liquid and a solid put together, you have an emulsifying agent. Or, for example, mayonnaise. This is an emulsion. 

Or milk, they emulsify that by putting it through a very fine screen, I mean holes so tiny that it subdivides the fat, the particles so small that they don't settle. 

So that's how you get homogenized milk. 

Well Dr. 

Stuckey knew that I was in colloidal chemistry and he thought that it would be a good idea if I tried peanut butter. 

Well peanut butter was a different thing. 

You couldn't put it through a screen because if you did you'd have a mess, it wouldn't go through there. And you couldn't put soap, which is a emulsifying agent, because it wouldn't taste very good. 

But anyway, I was there for about three years, and I found the method of how to stabilize peanut butter. We use fats. And fat in the solid form is hydrogenated. Take liquid fats, which is peanut oil, and hydrogenated. It makes a solid. And then you take this, it makes crystals. There are four or three different types, the beta, the beta prime and the alpha types. And the beta, if you get it in that shape and put it in the peanut butter, it's just a slush. It's nothing. It doesn't stabilize. 

But the beta prime and the alpha affect long crystals and they make bridges and networks. And this supports peanut particles. And what peanut butter really is is peanut particles and oil. They say the oil rises at the top. The oil doesn't rise at the top. It stays there and the peanut particle settle. 

Well this was very successful. 

So then I was working for the council so I left the station and I went to Procter & Gamble and told them that I, well first I got patents on it. 

I filed for patents and then I went to Procter & Gamble because they were in the shortening business and told them what I had and they were very much interested. 

So they took a license under the product and we were trying to think of a name to call it one time and And this fellow and I were working there and the little boy was bothering him and he said, what you doing, Dad? 

And he said, leave us alone. I said, well, what you doing? 

He said, we're trying to get some way to fix peanut butter. He said, why don't you call it Fix? 

So that became the name of the product. And that's used worldwide, has been for 50 years. That was in 1949, that 45 that I invented it. And by the fifties, it was the patents issued in 48. 

And so after that, I then really didn't have a job because the peanut council had hired me just to do that. And that's what you did. And that's what I did. Take us back before we go on with your career to when you came to Georgia Tech. 

What was it like to be in Georgia Tech in the 19th century? 

Oh, I skipped that, didn't I? 

Let's go back and look at that. You arrived finally. 

I finally came to Georgia Tech as a co-op student, and I worked three months, went to school three months, but that didn't give me enough money, so I worked in the dining hall to make more money, and I sold programs to football games. I never knew who won the games and didn't really care because I was trying to sell programs. You were working. I was working. Where were you living? 

I was living in a Cloudman dormitory. 

So you did live right on campus. Right on campus. 

And what was that experience of living on campus in the 1930s? 

Well, working as much as I had to work, I didn't really have a whole lot of college life. How much of a challenge was the academic program? 

Very much, very much. And you had some tough professors. 

I remember Phil Normo was the drawing instructor and you'd get your drawing and give it to him to prove and he'd take it and he said, you've got this wrong and mess up the whole thing so you'd have to do it over. 

And I guess this was really a very good idea because if he'd let you erase it, you'd just have a patched-up mess. 

But this way you did it over. Still must have broke your heart, though, huh? 

Well, it made me pretty mad. 

But I remember Dr. Boggs, who was a chemical engineering professor. He was blind. He had had an explosion in some chemical plant, and he was not totally blind. He could read by holding the thing up. I remember him. I remember Mr. **** Daniels and why they called him that, I do not know. I have no idea, but that's what he was called. He was a chemistry professor. And I remember Mr. Phil Pott, who was a professor over in the Texan Engineering Building. 

George Griffin and I became very good friends because a cousin of mine, Jimmy Brewster, from my mother's side of the family was an outstanding football player back in the 20s and 21s. 

So George Griffin and I, George knew him and we got to talking to each other and got to know each other. I didn't go to the fraternity house much. I went to some, but not much because I just didn't have the time to bother with it. 

But you did join. I joined the fraternity, yes. Tell us a little bit about that. Which fraternity was it you joined? 

Phi Delta Theta. And they did have a house on campus? 

Oh, yes. Still have one there. I had one then. 

There was some pretty rough parties that went on and without mentioning names, some of the students have a hard time of it because one of the fellows, he just couldn't leave the bottle alone even then. And I don't think he ever graduated. We had another fellow, Joe Bird, which you may interview in this program. 

I don't know because he, He, like I am, a visiting professor at Georgia Tech, and he became very famous for making a pump for the oil wells, and he has one of the pumps in the Smithsonian Institute. He was a very good friend of mine. Most of my friends were co-op students. I was on the student council as a representative for the co-ops. 

How much of a challenge is that to go from a job and back to school and then school and then job? 

Did you find that changing gears was a challenge? 

Well, no, really what I thought of it was I was in school and I was out of money, so I went and worked and got the money to come back. That's what it really amounted to because that's what these jobs were for. They were for training also. 

But basically in the time then, as hard as times were, it was to give you money to go to school. 

So you didn't necessarily have jobs that were related to what you were studying? 

You were supposed to, yes. When I was taking Textile Engineering, I had a job in the textile mills. 

The first one was a clock thread and then I got one in one of the Highland mills there. 

When I went to Chemical Engineering, asked them to give me a job, they said, no, we're not going to get, well, you changed. 

We'll furnish you a job for the course you started, but if you're going to change courses, we feel no obligation. 

So I ran elevators and did whatever I could to get through on my own, made out all right. was it was it difficult to study and keep up with all that working I graduated I guess not I don't really that's where your social life went is that what you're saying you pretty much studied and work oh yeah oh yeah no there was very little there was not much social life what was Atlanta like at that time it was very small town we used to walk from tech down to riches back thought nothing of it. Very few people had automobiles then. It was a small town really. The Varsity is still there, but that was a hangout of course. 

Can you think of any other buildings, places that you went around the campus that would be of interest? 

Well, the dining hall, this is where I work that would be the Britain the Britain dining hall yes yes LL Britain dining hall and I remember the textile school of textile I mean the French school of textile engineering which is now the French school and it's not textiles anymore I forget what it is but it's still there I remember the drawing was across cherished I forgot I think it's cherished tree after all this is some 60 years later. Of course, the administration building was the campus. That was what we thought of, the YMCA. We went there a lot. Oh, did you? 

Oh, yes. 

What would you have gone there for? 

Well, there was magazines over there to read, and it was the post office. It was just kind of a hangout. 

So, a student center kind of? 

Oh, yes. Yes, it was really the student summers, what it was. 

But no cars. 

So if you wanted to go anywhere, you had to... 

Well, very few had them. 

Well, we weren't going very far. We were going downtown and back, and that's about where we went. And we went to shows occasionally. To movie shows? 

To movies, yes. And that would have been downtown also? 

Yes. That's down... 

Well, Fox was there. I don't know anything. Do you remember going there? 

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. The stars and the roof and all. 

So there was a little bit of social life. Oh, yes. I shouldn't say there wasn't much. Yes, there there was. Any girls anywhere? 

No, I didn't have time for girls very much. 

If I got involved, it just wasn't in the program. 

I knew better because I had some friends who were dating pretty heavy and they let it get him out of school I don't mean anything bad happened but you just got too much of course you could have stayed there like my roommate did he lay on the bed all the time he slept his entire course through there I don't know whether he ever got a degree or not but he lay there and slept he loved to sleep what would have been the experience you had with say calculus or mathematics coming from a small town school country school really were you ready for that well Well, I went to this little school one mile from the farm, and it went to the eighth grade. And then we had to come to Griffin High, and we walked to Griffin High, which was only 11 miles. 

Well, but we thumbed a ride, and most of the time, sometimes we walked it, but most of the time we just thumbed a ride, see. 

Then after, in my last year, they built Spalding High School, and they had buses, and we went to the county school then. 

So you had a good -sound mathematical background? 

Yes, apparently so, because I had no problem with math at all. 

Well, you're one of the few people that can say that. 

Well, I have a wife who was a major in math. 

But you didn't have her then? 

No, no, no, no. You were on your own. Yeah, yeah. 

Now, I don't remember any problem with mathematics. 

But you said you did have to study. Have to study? 

Oh, yes, to the wee hours of the morning. Yes, because I wouldn't get back in my dining room until, well, 9 or 10 o'clock at night. 

What was a typical day for Paul Mitchell? 

Well, a typical day was to get up and go have breakfast at the dining hall and then go to classes and then lunch again, classes again in the afternoon, then go to work in the dining hall that afternoon. And then as soon as we got through that, then study. You asked me where I lived. I lived in Cloudman the first year. Then I lived in Techwood the rest of my career there, which is now the Techwood homes. That was Techwood dormitory for Tech. And? 

Then you got up and started all over again the next morning? 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. And you did that for four whole years. Five. Five whole years. 

So, co -op is five years, see. Oh. 

Well, okay. 

So, and overall, when you look back at that time, what is your, what's the first word that comes to your mind if you had to sum those five years up? 

Well, they were not hard. I never thought about it. 

This was something I came to do, and I felt lucky to be able to because so many of the high school people who graduated from me, they never went to college. 

They went into minor jobs, soda jerks or something like that because with money being so hard to get and once I got started, I never thought of anything else. I mean, I never thought of dropping out. 

Well, it's like a farmer, I guess. You get up in the morning, go plowing and tomorrow you get up and go plowing. I mean... That was your job and you did it? 

That was my job and that's what I did. 

Well, we finally came to the graduation. We had a graduation. 

Do you remember it? 

Uh, I remember it, not, I remember my parents came up, nothing big about it, anything particularly. 

But they did come up for it. Oh yeah, they came up. Where was it at? 

There, Tech. Oh, where was it at? 

I believe it was in the Fox Theater. I think that's where it was, because I don't think Tech had a big enough building for it. Yeah. And I've forgotten how many. I think there was 800 in the class or something like that. Oh, you had a very large class? 

Yeah, yeah. I think. I'm not sure now. 

Well, your folks had to be plenty proud to be coming up for you. Oh, yeah. 

Well, they were doubly proud because we lived on a farm. I had two brothers and one of the sisters, and all of us got through college some way. Where did your brother go? 

He went to Georgia. 

Well, he finally got away from you then, didn't he? 

Yes. 

But he became an agricultural engineer. Does that mean he went back on the farm? 

No, no. He worked with soil conservation most all of his life. I see. 

Okay, now we know what happened while you were at Tech. And we know what happened up until the time of the 6th. 

And what did you do after that? 

Well, after I had wound that up and signed a contract with Procter & Gamble, for the council. I got part of the royalties, the council got part of them. I then started tiddling, going to invent something else. And you know, that's not really too easy just to say, I believe I'll invent something tomorrow. And it didn't quite work out. And the secretary of the Chamber of Commerce died. 

So they said, what about taking this job? 

And I said, okay. And Mary said, no, keep working, you know, you'll be famous someday. I said, but I won't be hungry. 

So I took the job and some, within about a year, a person came where they were going to put a plant in ******. They made rubber -covered rolls for the textile and paper industry. 

And they were going to put this plant in ******, but they thought they'd come over and take a look at Griffin. 

Well, this fellow and I became very good friends, Carol Walters, and he said, we will build a plant in Griffin if you will take the job as a manager. I said, okay. 

So So I did and for 26 years I was manager of this plant here in Griffin that made rubber covered rolls and I was very pleased, some developments I made there. 

We took the rubber, they were big rolls, big steel rolls for paper mill, I don't know if they've been in one or not, but it's a tremendous thing, cut all the old rubber off and then vulcanized new rubber on it and you would have about an inch and a half of soft rubber And in order to make a mold for it, they would wrap it with hundreds of yards of fabric and put end place on it, confine it. And then they put it in a big steam vulcanizer and vulcanize it. A lot of times this rubber, the rubber would push the ends off or something. And this is the way they'd always done it. And I had some ideas. And the old timers said, do it like we tell you. 

Well, I was by myself done. Yeah, so it didn't really matter. 

And I developed methods of procuring these without the wrappers by using steam pressure and we got rid of all the wrappers save hundreds of thousands of dollars for the company and then another problem we had was blisters which when when you made your sheet to rub it would trap air and these were always in the finished row we could never get rid of we picked them but we couldn't get rid of so I developed a process where we held the role after it was put in the vulcanizer at a temperature of a low curing with this pressure and flowed all the blisters out so this everything was going swimming except we had a doctor who was head of research in Boston and he didn't like this idea very much well the Griffin plant was doing all the research and the president I was good friends so he used to come down he said you're messing around. No, no. 

Well, Warren tells me this and that and all. And I said, he said, I want you to quit it. And I said, no, Dave, I'm not going to quit it. 

Well, he said, one of these days, you're going to make one **** of a mess, and I'm going to fire you. I said, okay. 

So this continued, and this is, I spent my career there, and that, that's, there were many others. 

I got to where I was wanted to experiment in coming rolls mechanically and the president of the company who was another one He took the company away from now He asked me to take a job as vice president manufacturer of all the plants and I said, okay, fine But I want to finish this project to mechanical cover rolls You know, I never did hear from him again Did you ever make a mess? 

No, no, I didn't make a mess, but I didn't take the job, and so I just stayed there until retirement. And he was not very pleased by that. What is the market for these big rubber cover rolls? 

Oh, fantastic. All the paper that's made is made in these paper machines, and it's just fantastic. 

Well, before we were finished, when I went there, they had two machine shops, one in Boston, one in Wisconsin, and they built a very modern plant in Griffin. While I was managed there, we built a plant in Ruston, Louisiana. The manager came from the Griffin plant. We built one in Virginia. The manager came from the Griffin plant. We built one in Charleston. The manager came from the Griffin plant. 

So the company became a very big company, and our profits were twice what any other company was. That's why the guy wanted to go up there and tell all the rest of the plants how to do it. And I guess I should have, but I don't know. Who knows? 

Who knows? 

And all my children have all been born Yankees. 

Well, they were already born, but I mean, they would have lived a life as Yankees and probably would have lived in Atlanta now. They would have lived all over the world. Is the plant still in existence today? 

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And the company has this British Tyne Rubber now. 

So it's a supplier for two paper mills for this product? 

To all paper mills, yes. And did you finally get the rubber so it didn't have blisters in it? 

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Yes. 

So that was quite a challenge. 

And we, another problem was open seams because they pull these big sheet up longitudinally with the roll and then brought up the next one. When you did, you tried to stitch it together, and when it cured, it would open up. 

And then the paper mill, you'd ship it, and the paper mill would call and say, there's a hole in this roll. 

So they'd have to ship it back. If there's a little blister, we'd send a man down there and let him patch it. 

So we found the means of completely getting rid of that. We covered them circumferentially instead of covering them longitudinally. 

So there was always another way to do it? 

Well, that's what I have found in my career. There's always another way to do it, and it's usually better. And don't pay attention to the guy who says it can't be done. Never. Let's go back to peanut butter. All right. 

What does it feel like to know that you created a product that everybody in the whole world loves? 

Well, I don't think of it often. Sometimes I do. It feels good. 

When I told a few people that I was coming to talk to the man who invented our way of eating peanut butter, go give him my regards. Tell him I eat two jars a week. Tell him this, tell him that. I mean, we're all impacted by that. 

Well, it's, I guess I was lucky. Did anybody ever call you Mr. Peanut Butter? 

Oh, everybody. Did you ever dream when you were on the farm that you'd be Mr. Peanut Butter? 

Oh, no, but we used to raise peanuts. On the farm? 

On the farm, yes. We raised them only for home use. We didn't, we raised cotton and pimental peppers, you know. Griffin is the, was the pimental son of the world at one time. this whole area quit raising cotton started raising pimental peppers. I did not know that. The Sunshine brand, Mona products, you may or may not have heard that. 

So you had had a little hand with peanuts in the past. Yeah. You knew how they grew. Knew how they grew. Knew how they grew. 

And what what was the instigation do you suppose of the council to ask you to do something like that? 

Well they had the peanut growers and peanut butter people all the whole industry felt if they could solve this problem of the oil collecting at top of the jar you know I mean it would just be fantastic the sales would and people had tried for years and years and years and just hadn't been able to do it and so they thought well the thing to do is approach it from an organized point of view establish a grant and get somebody to to work on it and as I said Dr. Stuckey got in touch with me because I was a colloidal chemist, but they're not related at all. Stapleland peanut butter and making emulsions and dispersions are not akin to each other. Mr. Mitchell, a little earlier you were talking about Dr. Stuckey and the trip up to visit Dr. Britton. Can you tell me a little bit more about that, what Dr. Britton was like? 

Well, we went out to see Dr. Britton about my going to Tech, and I really don't know why this was important that I go to see Dr. Britton to go to Tech, but my friends thought it was. Dr. Britton was a very, he was a charming person. He was about, I would say, 5, 9, or 10. he was I would call chubby in other words he I don't know how old he was probably in his 60s at this time and oh middle -aged preb so to speak and he was about what you would expect of a man and that of that age he appeared to me to be a very I never got to know him much once or twice I did go in just for old times sake and just say hello and I don't know whether he remembered me or not. He said he did, but that doesn't mean anything. Did he treat you well? 

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, well. Very nice. Very nice. 

So you felt he respected you? 

Yes. Yes. And I felt and he had the time to see me or made the time. He made me feel that he was glad to see me. 

As I said, I don't know whether he remembered me or not, but it probably was an incident that did not happen very often. 

Some of his friends, the director of the George Experiment Station and a judge in Griffin, coming in to see him, probably he remembered it. Do you remember why you raided such royal treatment from these two folks? 

Yes. 

Jack Flint was a classmate of mine at Tech, and he was George Flint's father, I I mean son, Jack was George French's son, and we were very close friends. He was president of the class, I was vice president of the class, and we were very, very close. Oddly enough, I'm back here, we never see each other. 

He commented recently that we never see each other, and I said, well, I guess we just run with a different pack of dogs, so we don't see him. 

But this was why all I know is that Dr., I think it was Dr. 

Stuckey, or it may have been Flint, And one of them, I don't remember it as being Jack, but one of them told me they wanted me to go to Atlanta to see Dr. Britton about going to Tech. And I said, fine, because I knew I wasn't going to Tech. 

There's no possible way I could go to Tech because the family had no money, but we already had a brother who was in college, see, for little money. 

But anyway, they asked me to go up, and we drove up. Judge Flint drove, and we drove up, and talked with them and spent quite a bit of time there and Dr. 

Britton told me what it was like to go to Tech and what Tech was like and he was doing a good selling job on me as if I were important because of all the students that he had, he didn't need me as one more. 

But anyway, he was very, very nice. Very, very nice. Is that the first time you had been to the campus? 

Yes. That's the first time I'd ever seen it. How interesting. That was a pretty monumental thing to have happened country boy, it sure was. 

And I remember, I think I said a while ago, I was sitting on the back and they were up front and they were turning around chatting to me and I remember he said, well, Paul, that's all it is. 

If you can get up $100, no problem on that, is it? 

And I think I said, no, sir, but I meant no, I can't do it because I would have no idea how you get a hundred dollars, you know, living on the farm. 

So the incident just went by. I mean, I never did anything about it. This was two years before I went into Tech. 

Do you think it influenced you, though, to come back to Tech? 

I beg of pardon? 

Did that influence you, though, so that you did come back to Tech? 

Oh, I don't, not particularly, I don't think. I first went to Emory to study law, and I so I couldn't make it. I mean, I never enrolled, but, uh, and Tech was just a logical place. If, if I were, if I were going to college, uh, then Tech was a logical place. And, uh, I just never thought of anything other than Tech, really. 

Tell me, sir, when you look back at it all, was it important to go to Tech, to your life? 

Oh, I would have been a different person. I wouldn't know what way I would have been a clerk, but obviously, yes, it was absolutely. Because to me, these things are important. What about if Dr. 

Stuck had not written me the letter when I was working for the putt? 

Where would I be? 

I guess living in Wilmington, Delaware and married to somebody else, different children, different life, and a different person. But, or suppose I had gone as Vice President of Manufacturing when they asked me to. Been entirely different life, these things. 

But the chemical engineering degree turned out to be the right kind of training for what turned out to be your life. 

Oh yes, oh yes, because if I stayed on in textiles, I undoubtedly would have had a position as a manager of plant or maybe president of something of a company. I enjoyed the life that I had much more than I would have anything else. I can't imagine. I still have a feeling of a law. 

I don't know exactly why, but I mean, I read sometimes about it and all, and I think, well, you know, I'd like to be that, a justice or something. That would be fun. And law fascinates me because it's trying to solve a puzzle with an unknown. 

You find a little something different, as I understand it, that it's a point of law that wins the case or loses the case. 

Now, this doesn't mean I have a lot of respect for my friends who are lawyers, but no, I'm glad that I went to tech. I'm glad that I studied chemical engineering. I'm glad I worked for DuPont. I'm glad I became involved in peanut butter. And on behalf of all the peanut butter lovers of the world, we're glad, too. We wouldn't have had peanut butter to be a staple part of our diet if it had not been for this. 

Can you think of any other things you'd like to share with us on the Paul Mitchell story? 

What's Paul Mitchell doing these days? 

Research. Still doing research. Any hot leads for us? 

Yes. Talk to me about it. I'm not sure it's opportune. You can't tell us. I'd rather not. but you are working on things still now how wonderful are there any other things you want to share with us keep touching well I have two successful children I have a son who works for the Coca Cola company he makes more money than I ever made in my life and enjoys his work very very much he is an accountant he graduated from Georgia State. I have a daughter who is with a telephone company. She's married. No children, no plan to have children. The son has no plans to get married so I guess this is the end of the line here. Never say never. Oh I think so, yeah. 

So the Paul Mitchell story goes on. Yes, yes. do you have a laboratory or a research space yes yes so you're not really retired you're still working oh my no oh my no I'm only 82 to get my second breath great thank you so much for sharing with us mr. Mitchell thank you for coming.