This is a living history interview with Jack Claremont, the class of 946, conducted by Maryland's summers and March the 15th year 2002. We are at his home in Blakely, Georgia. 

And the subject of the of the interview today is his life in general, his experiences at Georgia Tech. Mr. Chairman, I can call you Jack, is that you're not here, right? 

Right. We are in what has to be one of the most unique homes I've ever been. At your home place? 

Yes. In Blakely, Georgia early County. 

One that you came back and read it to the degree and it is a fabulous we're so happy that you let us come visit you here today and we're ready to hear your story so I know where you were born right here. We bought this house, literally. Got an interesting story about that. Leave town. First-class. I agree it's a beautiful place. Thanks to my wife, sees so talented. 

But I was born in 1921, April 30th. And later, the first house my parents built on this farm ran a raw woodland. Then We're back behind this house, a smaller house. And we were living in this house before Rebecca remodeled it out. Bob is second or third grade teachers. Last thing all over. 

So where we were worn and I said, Well, our barn behind the house. And thinking, my mother, remember that, invited me over several times. 

But it was writing this very rot on this ground. Yes, absolutely. 

Now your parents lived here, had their peers look here before that. How far back to the clear ones go? 

Well, they've moved here in 1918 and it was all woodland. It had been tempered. There's practically no timber on the land. All there had long leaf pine, native pi this area. 

So they got it. They were teachers. They didn't have any money. They had an idea, they settled down here and teach. They both were educated. They have from Auburn University and water from the University of Alabama. And have a family here, t's and maybe have a farm. 

So this is where we were born. They bought the acreage and built this model. Built a small house? 

Yeah. 

How many of you were you did you have brothers and sisters? 

I had older brother Bill and a younger sister, Rachel. Okay. 

So we were very isolated from every where were they going to teach? 

We had a lot of countries schools in all over the county. We were just getting out of the buggy era. You know, who did how small school buses around? 

Nothing like what you see today. 

But put a genera there was a school within three miles. 

So we had in early County, we had probably 12 school or that count them. Probably worried about teaching me or post Colombia will find teaching. Yes, I want school and another, and another until many of the T-shirt didn't have a college degree. At that time. Rebecca said they would like to pearls in the woods. They really are. 

But if they meet that dream today, both become teachers here. They both taught. They taught in several skills and around and all I'm within driving distance. We did have an automobile, although most people didn't think to have one, didn't have the rows. No, avoiding that row, this row daddy are paid how we're 39. 

But it was dirt and it wasn't much of a buildup on the low spots. 

In the spring time, we would get water running across the road, car going back and forth to get boggy and it was pretty common to have people bogged down on how we 39. 

Which your earliest memory of living here? 

I think barriers whenever I must have been about four years old. Hi. My mother and dad will go on teaching and hours here behind the house in the other house. And I remember she had a lady you're taking care of me. And I was in the house and I were running outside. I saw something in the house. It frightened. I said there's a bear. She said That's not a bear. That's a that's a dog? 

That I don't know. I said that. I don't know why I remember. 

But another memory is my great grand dad who was in the Civil War. He was 98 or something like that. And I remember him because of his long white beard. He came to visit you think? 

No, actually we visited him, yes. Wow, that's really not many people get to meet a great grandparent. No doubt many grandparents still living into them. At that time. 

My dad pair for both living and my mother's mother was living her diet care of your life? 

Yes, it they did not. They have here they lived in Alabama but you visited? 

We visited. 

And to go to Montgomery where her my mother, sister live rather, we dowry Alabama, not far from Columbus. It was an all day. 

If you started early in the journey, we didn't have the pavement. 

So you wait, state oh, yes. Yeah. We didn't make our days trip. 

But we had the call the call of the poor roads and very few automobile. We had new country stores all over the past couple of weeks. They were him to now and everybody goes to town because it'll be supermarkets and fries changing. 

Where did you go to school when it was time to test? 

Which one you get put in? 

The fresh one, was it spring feel? 

Three bows up, roll closer. How it 273. Id of your peers teaching there? 

Yes, they're both teaching there. Oh, yeah. That was convenient. They brought that right. And that pretty generally was a case. We rode with parents and back in there in the twenties during the depression. 

The other kids, I wish I could ride in an automobile. You were big big shots to them. 

But they teach paulo related to the teachers can yes. And the TAC a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you looked at what is good and bad. It's good and bad. 

Now, you, some of the kids, kind of like Jabba caught up in some rural envious. 

So but I didn't have a problem with anything like that. I wasn't that good student. Ready where you're really interested, the school not protected, not particularly interested. My brother, much better student and then I was pain isn't it? 

Didn't have to hear it all the time. 

Why don't you do I know? 

Well, I heard it once in a while, most from here I'm plugged along and I liked, sorry, courses, I liked math. A really light right off the bat. You were a good name for it made sense. Is you either have the answer you don't miss and around him. Yes, What they care. That's right. How many great. Did that school cover? 

It went up to the seventh grade. 

So we're then we went to another school. Sometimes the trustees WHO there will be three trustees and Eastern country school. 

And they would decide maybe one, I'm had a nice getting our college or something and they would decide maybe they wanted to keep modern, but not there or bad, not mother. And they wanted to see together so they'd find another school or they could both teach. 

So we went to probably about five different schools living right here. How interesting? 

Yes. Even though you only will always within a few miles of home, different school? 

I don't think so. With a mixed bag for education around here. And those days, if you didn't have good teachers, well, is same like it. 

But I really felt that we didn't have good teachers. They they were sincere and the parents supported the teacher, so 100 percent. And why smack heads and they want to bury a modern large schools. 

And I Watson through the years and I couldn't scenes where they had much advantage because we have small classes and we had homework, Hebrew and brought the homework or your intro or did you have a middle school system at that time factor, seventh grade or Jacobian in high school. 

At that time, you are trying to high school and that went to the 11th grade senior year, that fourth year of high school. 

With it there for some paresis of Georgia that right now we're with the high school you went to? 

I went to both Blakely high school and break the highest who was a great school? 

There was a some more like an academy. We had all the high schools in the county. 

So that was exclusively Blakely kids and put were run by the businessman of this city. And there are some great education. I really thought we had a great education. They're obviously your parents didn't teach it in high school? 

No, they were. 

So they turn you loose? 

That's right. In fact, I could have gone to a another high school. Jake in which I was in the Jake and district. 

But dad and mother had already decided hours per college who go to college and I will probably be an engineer and break, we'll have more courses to offer. 

So they can now physics and chemistry and now you couldn't get, how did you get there from here to here. This interesting. Wow, this was in 1938 along there, where the economy was getting a little better. My neighbor wanted his daughter to go to play. He bought a robe, Model a Ford coop, and dad bought the gas, and I drove his girl, she rode with him. We were to break the current theory, would pick that one girl on the way. 

So I was sitting there with two girls. You are a carrier. I got a lot of ribbon culture that you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

So bad. I bet you didn't suffer too much, did you liked it? 

And he did much better in high school. I like the more the older I got, the more light school. I found that it just had to settle into it. Yeah. If you'd asked me in the sixth grade that URL stay home, I say yes. 

But in the tenth grade, No. We're learning and it was all right. 

Now hit your brother be aligned to Blakely high to break right here. Go into Blakely? 

Yes. You are familiar with school you knew yesterday they get a good education. Everything you can get your hands-on, right. I even took I even took advanced math so that you know, right. 

Were you involved in sports at all or any? 

I was on the basketball team tall as I am, about the five feet eight. Hi, if you date you like now 59. 

But we didn't have the tall boys and played guard basketball team and head for fun time with that, you enjoyed that? 

I draw it at night grammar school, we had basketball teams and we prayed each other and my team won the championship one-year. I've got a picture, I'll tell you we're quite the basketball players. Yes. I think so. 

Now, you decided was decided for you early on that you would be going to college? 

That when we heard that our whole I heard it. You hold it makes sense that both of your parents for college graduates embrace. Your grandparents were also, which is quite extraordinary. Families were well as K. 

So you always knew you didn't have talked about it. You knew you were going to call it, but you didn't feel pressured by no. 

So did you did you grow up happy with this, a happy time for you or rapid time? 

Yes. I didn't have all gets to play when we had chores to do. 

But I didn't like that. Milking the cows and that time we had no other way. We'll find nowhere no electricity until I was 17 years home. Oh, really see, you grew up here in the dark, so to speak. That's what all the energy we use in this house. Cup with some outcome with its cross-cut saw. 

You know what that is? 

I know what it is that you will burn and went in learning what for heat and for cooking and what we're using kerosene kerosene lamps. Kerosene lamps and yeah. 

So yeah, we're pretty busy keeping just keep it going. We're real busy both parents working and we got home. Okay. You'll be working. 

When you came already had thought they had to be you and take your animals and get dinner ready and do everything that we had. 10 cows and soul male who had lot chickens and sold some eggs. And how did you do your homework? 

I did that Abraham with my mouth. Yeah. We kept the book in the log. We we did it after dark. Do the homework after dark. How could you see kerosene lamps aren't good enough. The only assets that are not venture, They had bought what he called an Aladdin's lamp. 

It's a kerosene burning lamp that hassle a fellow much a cylindrical filament mattered ball, that flame that gets white hot and puts all grow where so much a light bulb. 

So very good light. 

You had be very fragile to think that it's better to leave it at one place, not be carrying it around, you know. 

So I mean, it is, we think about Abraham Lincoln study and by firelight, that was in her 30s and we forget that rural Georgia there was it. We only got electricity when they started the the, the co-op program, the RA will electrification. 

That's one security because you really want to practical power, power company to run lines out where you have houses half mile apart. Probability. Very expensive. Yes. That rightly. 

So you were already in high school and can't graduate from high school before you actually have what we consider creature comforts, the plant bioelectricity. Let's see our problems in tenth grade. And we bought my dad, I want it running water. 

So he bought it no. Tack and built a tower to mount it all and hook a hand pumped. That's why we got our water pump in by hand. 

So you collected the one we pump the water into the tank or the pump elevated tank ran a pipe into the kitchen so the gravity brought it in. 

You have had a kitchen sink and had water and your mom throughout the day and we break that below shower underneath the TAC out there. And we get out there and shower put a curtain around it by just a bucket will hold it. 

But I'll warm days, warm summer days, the water be nice and warm and wet. It will go well. When water we use a wash pan. And like most people are pretty rural upbringing and yet it was a very happy time. A very happy time, yes. The the things that we planned or so big. Like I remember that we would course all the palm or rather you had meal, make, grind, corn meal. And we had a couple of, of water powered mills in the counter. They brand your corn into male. 

So you take, will take that. And there was always the swim that went along with it. See, they had good swim in place. And to plan ahead for taken some corn to the bill. I remember walking back to the cornfields saying, we're happy. We're saying advocate, have a good time. 

So the thing is it would say it wouldn't seem big at all today. We're big to me. And so I was very happy to wash great stories and great memory thing. Yeah. 

Well, I think this has to do their comfort with yourself. And I think I was born that way and I've always enjoyed every day. See, you had a good, solid family. Your parents were supportive? 

I never heard them argue. Isn't that amazing? 

Yeah. Never heard of Mark. Yeah, that's great. A great role model ushered in. Absolutely. 

So the town gain you finally graduated, not finally, but you graduated from Blakely. 

And where how did these decisions get made? 

Where you with it? 

Well, My Way, New Georgia Tech, which is tough school. And hi. 

Well, actually, I went to Blakely an x per year and took advanced math. That's great. It will let you do that. Yes. Physics and what they call d old diversified occupationally work with some local business. And I worked with a machine shop. Just a tough year taking those tough course this yes. My dad suggested I do that. 

Jacqueline, like you should should go back end of the year and get more SKU and everything and nurses? 

Yes, sir. 

So yes. 

So and at that time, he was a wise man. He was a wide band and I trusted in C So that I did that poor went to Georgia Tech. 

So what year did you come to Georgia? 

Well, I went first to middle Georgia College has was offering a freshman class of what they have at Georgia Tech. 

You could get credit for your middle Georgia College and Cochrane, Georgia and take the exact same courses they were taking at Georgia Tech, our small class. And if you Megan Grace, Georgia Tech would except I've never heard of that program before. Yeah. Do you have a name? 

I think they call it the Georgia Tech coerce. I'm not sure, but that's exactly what we're for. And because so many of the rural kids recover overwhelmed with this huge school. Only go on for three years of high school to say you do actually, I went through high school. 

So I went there and I did I could get there pretty far from here. 

Well, Cochrane is about profit 40 feet to miles south of Macomb has over Central Georgia. And it's. His own route to know where I'm going to cross what we call cross the lanes, sir. Thank you. Learned in and out of it louder. You have to cross all those lines. 

So how did I go? 

I hitchhiked. Not every day. You go back and forth every day. Oh no, no. This is this a 100? 

Pick them all the way. Clear when the door there also, you actually had a residence there? 

Oh, yes. In the dorm and they're born a year, Let's just state school. 

So the tuition with somewhat reasonable yes. Part of the state system. Okay. 

And what did you think about that was your first experience away from home then? 

What? 

I like to hold Iran, yes. Small SKU emoji know you weren't going to stay there, you know, you're on your own. Go say that one year. And then about that time Let's see, that was in 40. The fall and affordance and spring afford one. War was cranking up. Certainly. Anthony, everybody's mind. And they had a program called policy. Can't take a day. 

But if your children and you qualified, you could take private flying lessons. And the government will pay for what they were doing. 

Think there were getting or avoiding some kind of a treaty that we assigned a bot training palace through another program. 

So I stayed in Cochrane for the summer and got my private pilot's license. A hit. That was just because of that appeal to you. The idea fly. 

Well frankly, my brother done the same face so I can combat heal. 

So he had done he has about the way because pretty black. 

So he got pilot's license, I'm going to get power slice. 

So they're still pretty exciting thing to be doing. Yes, it was. And but then I went on to Georgia Tech that fall. 

I had you ever been up to check prior to that? 

Did you go visit your brother? 

Was there? 

I don't think ahead. Yeah. 

So this was cold turkey except that he was there, you know, and and we'll see helpful. Somewhat. He was a senior and a is blue and long or something like that. 

But he had gotten me to sign up in the Naval ROTC, which I knew nothing about. Eyes. He saw the wisdom of being in an ROTC. 

Everybody had to be an well, you had to be in the military or police zone, but the RTC was of a program that had limited enrollment. The Navy has limits the fly, but everyone had to take ROTC classes at the land-grant college. It was mandatory that you take something. 

You never had ROTC prior to that, is that correct? 

Not know what our GC while hello, you were to coming into a new state in a dorm, stayed in tech world dorm and I got in the neighbor RTC. Our loading the streetcar conducted. No better safe than sorry. Yeah. Yes. 

Now, when you came in, did you come in with a Rat Hat or did you transfer in? 

Is it a sophomore? 

So you didn't have to do that? 

I've got the credit for the Cochrane courses. They were very good. 

But it gave you an advantage in that you didn't have to go through the hazing of that first? 

That's right. You already man about a little bit. Yes. Did you get into a roommate situation and meet some interesting people? 

Yes. 

Tech or dorm or that time I think that I don't know if they did that for dorm and convert it, I guess it did, but I was in a suite mate for a while and with three other GOD where two bedrooms and one central study area. That was relatively new. It only been there. It was new and the football players all allele there. 

So that'll be cool to get into that now, I don't know what it is now, we had bass down the hall. You go down and you see the football players coming into their knees for basketball. He felt like they were big and you work well. And also our hotel ID football lot, very goofy knees are known. 

But I had had a roommate that I knew I was going to make an arrow outcome and, and, and night in our determinant to pass my good Greece and steady-state steady and he'd be out and had a good time. And he lasted one core message, Hey, come and they go, try. Did you make any friends that first year you were there? 

Yes. I've made yes, I did. I made a number of friends. One particular one I really liked a lot more Psalter from Cuthbert cockpit as other boy. And another one was Bob Ross. Who was from New York. 

In fact, I got obtain acquainted with Bob and we arrays to start room and together and we still commute. K isn't there? 

Yeah, that's what I was getting. Sometimes those early friendships for the very best one. Oh, yes. Deus had taken forever. Right? 

Then another later on, Nelson April and I became really good friends. It was we were roommates. 

And tell me how did you find that you were well-prepared better than most shell while because of the extra year math and physics and also how were they in reality when you got there, we challenged them or challenge, but they were still say that haka tail will better prepare the now was there was a high school. Okay. There's a ladder tech and software to the technical highschool. Some of them came from and they they were down the road a little bit. It actually will take courses that aren't ahead. And I'll take it HRM in the long run. This again, they drifted into a more relaxed atmosphere. Isn't about learning. Good 30 again with that, right? 

Oh yeah, It was really tough. He radio odd but I really felt good about it. Went into mechanical engineering. You enjoyed it. It felt good. It fit. The mechanical engineering fit. Chemistry. 

Simply wrote and rewrote and re-wrote the question, the, the formulas and things so I could pass the course. There's something about it. Didn't clear both the mechanics, fluid flow address for thermodynamics and all of those. Yes. Perfect match then what about professors? 

What did you think of the faculty? 

Or great, great. 

Early on, I got a job with Professor Harrison, I think was hardest how somebody was whole am house and therefore was he taught heat treating and welding. And I was his secretary. I had taken in my advanced high school, I had taken typing. Pretty good. Yeah. 

So I was I became his secretary and typed up the paid for that oh, yes. Needed earns about it because my parents teacher didn't make much money given to us. Right. And they they had the place was mortgaged. That bothered me that they didn't own the place without a more ease and they will pay for my college. 

So I wanted to work and I worked with Professor Harrison. And then as the war build up, he began to do consulting for the defense, some defense. 

For now, I don't know whether the company or the government than ours able to do work in that program. I got more money. 

So I mean, I did pretty good connection for that, right? 

Here's the connection, a good story about Professor house and I highlight reel a lot. I knew that I liked him a lot. We would his wife would invite me out to have done with them ever so often. And one day our type in the exam now taken the course honor him right at that time and heat treating. 

Now typing this exam. And I thought, well, I could be our exam is coming up next week. 

So together my deliberately, deliberately totally ignored the questions I just did I wrote. And so it has fewer be any unfair advantage. Okay. I wanted to do it myself. 

So two or three days later he gave the exam. 

I didn't know because that exam not then when he got his papers and everything, he was in his office, he was grumbling. He said all these terrible terrible grades. Did looked he will you Jack got a C and you typed in? 

Yeah. You how active you were, your hand? 

She did a bear that were positive. And he meant it trusted you a lottery winner vegetated? 

Yeah. 

I guess it did, but it really didn't make any sense to me to get, to get good credit is not learn the course. I wanted to learn the course. Integrity. The story. Then he trusted you and that you lived up to that. Here's a nicer he's nice man. In that time. 

I think that just trying to think back over the years from Georgia Tech was first established, I imagine they went through a lot of what are the manufacturer did. 

Gradually evolved from a technical machinist school to a technical skill when the machine is part, gradually disappearing, started very much with that shot mentality, eventually gateway to the final point. And we still had the better their actual that you probably took. I took a course in woodworking, Hagana, alkaline. It you actually have him yeah. Agent himself. He was Oh, he was always thought the game and I took a course in machining and I built a grinder. 

We did it then that if you took the course and should you be able to grind, you build promoter, wound, the file's, machined everything, and then caption, all of that, put it all together and plugged it in. I've still got a grind. You're still here? 

Yes. Learned a lot from it. 

I didn't say, yeah, dad had another one that I'm sure they don't drink, not drafting the triangle dry mechanical draw. Do they do it? 

No. 

I don't think they do it now I know for drawing with a heavy duty on a computer or a will, you know, the companies I work with now there will even have a hadron, don't actually the drawing boards look like for this growing professor? 

He gave us a lecture. 

Now this is at the end of the Depression. He said, Okay, you have got to learn how to letter absolutely beautifully. Your lettering has to be bigger. 

And so what'll happen is you'll graduate from Georgia Tech and you'll go out with some drawings on your arm and knocking on doors, looking for a job as an engineer. If they ever let you in. And you go in and talk to the chief engineer, the first day he'll ask is let me see your drawings. He would let me know he went for it. And it's the joy of drawing, had beautiful lettering. Then it'll make that impression that that was the old school. That's the school course? 

No. Did you do well and dry? 

No, I wasn't very good. Not very good. I pass, but it just didn't seem that important to me. 

But some of that would map it up on a beautiful drawing. All right. Everybody has different set of skill. Do you remember where you were on December the 7th, 1941? 

I was intact. Will dawn on Sundays. I remember my roommate who's better, Harrell and he was from Bainbridge, Georgia. His brother wasn't Pearl Harbor. And he course issues of this soon just really became the total TBD subject of conversation. I the answer. 

So everybody the same as September of last year. 

And my brother had already predicted, we're going we buy in Japan, should we go? 

We're certainly going to be in a war with Japan. 

There was a lot of people think that way than ours are keeping up with the news as much as some people. 

But it seem pretty obvious to a number of people. I think it was a professor at Tech who was talking about a good bit gland rainy it here. 

So I still think that way too. Oh yeah, it wasn't a big surprise to some people, but it was a shock. There was a shock to everybody. The success. This year. It was very really happened. Could you realize it was going to change your life? 

Yes, I did. Even though I knew I knew my my roommate's brother was in Pearl Harbor. He wrote a letter and he was mad and angry. He said he would tell him about everything. 

We're going to boo and a walk now the Trieste and Tokyo vengeance registry and just show which of course we didn't do at all with we did a smart they will restart a helping hand to really drive home to you what was going on, having someone close there? 

Yes. Right. And at that time, it was shortly after that that they started the veto our program. I think it was after that. 

He had had back then we were in the neighborhood to see automatically went into the V2, our program and we became active duty. You are uniform where you fall. We were in the Navy. 

We jump now put heard anymore and go out and jogging up and down the football stadium seats and talk about building up the muscles in your thighs. You run out of time. Here we come. I thought before breakfast, right? 

Before breakfast, I worked up an appetite. 

Other than that standard courses, you know, except you are a warrior poem that we would rail and they have known, of course I quit working with Professor house and there isn't. The Navy were paying. 

Helpful to our job was to go school the fried, and perform whatever the name told you to do, right? 

Right. 

But no, no no knowledge of when you were going to be shipped out, how much time you would have to what are the idea was that we would graduate and go on active duty. That's what handwash ad. When I came home for Christmas, sat down and talked to me about how much more by our Beta, the Navy. He find that my degree first, you know, he was worded our just a list of them. A go at Yaakov Craig got a lot of kids did go out of Egypt reaction to one, make sure you so much. Yeah. 

What I knew what it would do it I knew what he what he didn't matter what I did. I had no intentions of doing that. You know, I didn't really want to go. 

If I had the opportunity to be an option, I won't be an option. Careful with your social life like that. 

First year you came to check your sophomore year, put up with the hazing that did you find that anytime at all for a socially not much not really variable x term pro-social life. I did. My brother got their date with a with a young lady or too young. I thought he was he had grown up a little bit. This get-go just to yellow season, a nice girl. 

And then I'm as some others now a day they ever so often, what we're doing for day, That's about all we could afford to get on the streetcar and go to her house, pick her up, get illustrate car and drive down to the Fox Theater or some theater and go to a movie. That's pretty nice. Back on. Oh, very nice. Movies were big deal those days. One thing, big deal. And they were church doctrine. David particular, the Georgia Tech manned and I haven't heard from again day. 

So here's a Let's get in here. There's probably going to have at least a decent life, make a little money. This is right out of the depression and the mothers were pretty happy. Daughters daily. Their sources for women? 

Yes, you're interested tech boys worth it? 

Yes. Eat your meal. And I know breakfasts were very tight four until I got in the David. And then launch slandered goal over Britain halls edit. 35 cents. 

So Casey bought the food cart. Yeah, I'll go over that right now. They called it main palace. He has a lot of names for that place in those days, did you find that tear or tolerable? 

Good. I will find out you were hungry and compared what they had middle Georgia College. It was a banquet that FUBAR awful there. 

But they had a degree of knowing the difference. 

So I can get what I wanted, including meat and vegetables and drink their view 35 cents. 

And that was a limit to how much? 

You didn't have money for privileged thing, extra NADH and not ever no way then what would you do for separate term? 

Already? 

Something OK. It could be very light, you know. Thank you. Yeah. I just really layered on a tight budget. You know. I had a roommate who who had money and a family and he would ever Sunday night, he would eat out. That was his. He was really a sweet person and one of the nicest people ever met. Nelson unable. 

And nasa will go out to a local restaurant, nice rest from and have some special may have once we kept inviting me and finally I saved up enough money. I went with one restaurant. It was up close to the Fox Theater and I don't know what it was. 

But it when we placed our order, I looked on there and not to them. 

I'm in the learning paired arrived, saw, looked and saw something that I don't know, but our tricep new one, this is a time when it came he looked assets, you eat that. You graduated law, say, Oh yeah. I love it. Yeah. 

What are the time to learn? 

That was a good entity going oh, my I worked with Professor Yeah, Awesome. I spent Saturday afternoon and his lab. Worthy. And they had Metropolitan Opera. Radio. People enjoy opera. There are people who love opera or thoroughly enjoy and operate. 

So I would listen to it every Saturday. And I learned to love opera nihilo. 

Exposure your head, what that was? 

Yeah, The only want to add wish we had more radio or not until late 30s did we have a radio? 

Yeah. 

So that was a new experience for me. 

Did you ever get to go to the Africa? 

They were coming to Atlanta? 

No nodule that way that vendor some sense, you know, similar lived in Minneapolis? 

No, but I'm that way, you know, to go tick, tick. We didn't go to anything. I didn't go to anything. I wanted the fourth pay off the mortgage. That you were very fair. What can a happy time for you that first year? 

Oh, yes, it was. And your brother was still on campus and you get to see much and they're often on. 

He was in and out a busy he got into this still politically and he did he get you into that? 

He got we had to add some. I was the secretary. He didn't get you into it. 

And the most interesting thing and that was that he and his staff and everything drawn a declaration of whatever. I don't remember the name, but what we're gonna do and why we're doing it. And the University of Georgia had students that are interested in getting into the program. 

So I typed up this declaration. That's why you were the secretary can try it. I will email and all of the hall. I've assigned it about seven hours or something like that. 

And we'll send it to your mercy, Georgia to whoever Hey, that program up there and they sign it and send it back. Then when I got it back, I looked at the Georgia Tech name was William T. Claremont, Rx, mail wrap our mailed or something to another woman. And then eventually the bottom jack, Claremont, Fairplay and easy to read, came back to University. Jordan was I couldn't read all over the place. Aha, lost yield a different. And the whole issue we should explain was over whether or not the school was schools, George schools. 

We're going to be discredited because the governor, with method around messing around with the home of the state to UC Merced. 

And that's the thought these turn accreditation society said, Governors aren't supposed to be appointing members to mess around with the Board of Regents. 

And apparently, Talmadge wanted to put someone in as president at Georgia Tech and all of that was part of that campaign to do that. 

But Jack, Your brother, was one of the people who said, Wait a minute, if the scholar accreditation, my value and my father is going down and he put too many years to come along and say it's not going to be worth as much with that nappy issue. 

Well, it didn't bother me as much as did him, but he started actually, I think from what I understood, he wrote Kick, got it going. And he got cloud support. We got plot professors supporting it on the side, you know. And I know that our label or skip a few classes in order to attend something. 

You know, that the reason our CTO active in that organization, I am back in the sex too soon we have the, the baby boomers rebellion against society. Big, big business in Vietnam, all of those. 

So when they were thrown breakthrough wonders and thanks. I kept pointing out to them the way that we did it. We got ugly legally. Who uses assistive? 

We use who got out and knocked on doors, smiled, and talk. 

Having a revolution, this data getting out March, go down the street and turn up buildings and things. Civilized way of doing it. 

Well, that's really the way to do it. Yes. 

And it was a very effectively because eventually, we want to know WHO absolute and it never lost school, never lost their accreditation. And it proved that Georgia, Georgia Tech the work together without telling each other. 

So it was very it was a good thing for you to be involved with in retrospect, that was good. That was a good experience, yes. 

It was somewhere along the line in this period of time before you actually had to go and do the activity, did you meet Rebecca? 

Yes, I did. 

I was in the V2, our program and we see what year was this thing goes at 43, I'm not sure, but I had come home for print or at the end of June. We had at that time, we weren't here around here. I had a week, something like that or between semesters. And when I arrived here, My mother said that, well, this 3A4 families are getting together. We're going to have a picnic at the turtle whole. 

The turtle ALL is abandon a creek over not far from here that has his deep enough for nice swimming place. 

So people would go there and swim within our swimming pool. 

And of course our Nicely done mostly because I was coming home from school and another theater to go to school. 

So we packed up and show that Muslim. 

So we went to the turtle whole. My sister had a very good friend named Betty, that they play together a lot. And you feel better? 

Well, I bet I had an older so should name Rebecca. And they lived eight miles away, but we want to defer school. I had seen Rebecca and a couple of three time, but we've never really communicated. She's beautiful blonde girl C. 

So we're Betty. 

I know who's going to be at the picnic, but when we want awareness car started showing up on one car pulled up and Betty hopped out and her sister, Rebecca, half deaf and sees more. See it all from college. And so we started talking and communicating. We just stayed together. All the rod from everybody write a we descended up right away. Acid. This girl has it all. She's beautiful. She's intelligent. Cl, higher principle to see You. Got it All. The archetypes. You very intelligent. And I liked intelligent girls. I don't know why, but I did like intelligent girls go that dated in high school. Generally. The top still works. That's how I'd been a mystery to me. And she was a top job. She will talk to her in her class. 

So we at the end of the day, you were happy to us, met a couple of days. I think the next day. My mother said Jack, Rachel asked my sister, my youngsters, also go and see Betty. Would you like to drive her, roll it out to see better? 

That was very nice family. My parents taught to value the nice families. 

So I drove out glands rover over and they would very narrow thing and we were sitting around on the front porch and in the summertime. No, Rebecca. 

So Cynthia and say Where's Rebecca? 

You know, I sat there for a while and then eventually out from the town in the pasture come Rebecca. Oh, hi. There by acid. Fully me. Share it with you. See here what we really thank, see dialogue to save as well, even in full. 

So we talked a lot there and I want a date night. She had another day so I could make it. 

But we started writing to each other and then I went to see her. She was middle Georgia College. 

Now I'm at millage will in a minute we'll GSC, Georgia State College for women as well. Yeah. And yeah. And she came to see me, so we just got started coding. Yes, I started. Did you know she was right for me, right? 

Yes, I did. We did. Yeah. Her grandmother was her grandmother really hated. 

Her grandmother saw a career or she had she had one daughter who had had superb career instead of marriage, she had and she saw Rebecca with her family, with her brain and everything and her bill that we have here I Common Era. Right. 

What happened to change your status quo? 

To change my site, your status? 

You had to go active or prompts go. 

Well, you hadn't finished your degree. Thank you. 

Page 244, urea and the war the war was coming along and I would've graduated in June 44 at once semester. My class. I needed pnorm and basically I think what it was it ever said. 

But they decided to go ahead and commission all of the shares that were eligible, qualified in my class or across the country. 

Suddenly we will end sons and we were put on active duty, even though you still get a semester, one semester. And they almost everybody were to landing craft. 

Landing craft required officer, the majority of the class who got online and I also was a really tense time per atom when we start reading on the bulletin board our names and our assignment where you're going to a destroy ours thrilled to death. And you don't even know why? 

I don't know why I was not the top student. I don't know. Mostly the paper down a stairway or what but the phaco finger or fake, right? 

Yeah, no. I don't know. We've chosen to go on the destroyer of all my class. Only two or three that on a freight ship. The rest either we're landing craft or supply ship, something like that. And I was thrilled. Our real fighting ship, you know, we're just about ready to take off into your military career. 

But whether any other Georgia Tech stories that you want to share with us? 

I think one, the first year, my sophomore year started there, got a Naval ROTC. We will of course, exposed to all the vaccinations. 

And I know again, notice that I got around to smallpox, is that tone where they would scratch scan and, and they start going to give me the smallpox vaccination acid. I had that as a kid. 

I remember the sport last like where are you now when you do that? 

So I gave it a shot or the treatment and after a couple of three days, I started getting sick. And I want it I want it to nine, won't miss class. 

And how taken a course in economics, which really rosy red Miami, but it was required that takes something besides engineering. 

And I was sitting in the classroom there and I was feeling more and more second more and I started feeling dizzy. And the next thing I knew, a couple of students had myth over leaning out one of my head. Fs sat in class. Yeah. 

So I ended up in the farm raised to the n for n, I was there and my brother came around the same and brought a friend, can see how we're doing. And I would lie there and he said the course versa idea there. They didn't give anything to eat for to make sure you you were to had read for Bina. And I said I do. I said, Well, Miss drill, drill today. 

So he told the Fed, is it voice, past shape? 

It is a great way. 

If you have a reaction to the vaccine. I think I was, I don't know. The way I got over. 

It wasn't too long before he graduated and he was commissioned in the Navy and was assigned to duty and Washington. And he started making money, making some money there. And he invited me to a Georgia Tech Navy game, is 42. And so he pain at all. And I was excited about it. And so we're up and he got a couple of friends with him. 

I said I think I can get tickets down at the hotel where the headquarters for Georgia Tech Athletic Department is temporary headquarters. 

So I went to to see the fellow who headed up the allocation of tickets, Georgia Tech tickets, blocker. It was that professor. And he, No question, How is his favorite? 

It above they will pass his claim. We got four seats in the garden box. First, a river city that they would go Adler. Those fellows thought that Claire was must be theta. Though. It's really cool. I'll take that answer to that test team. 

So I believe will be up at least when we say the moral of the story is you didn't suffer for nothing. Worse. This immersive and pretty exciting to be in want to go to Washington. They were very excited and uppercase. No, no. We traveled much. We want to go for sharing. Yeah, that was fun and caught my brothers there to escort me around and everything. I enjoyed it. 

But now we go back to reality. You're assigned to a destroyer. Aware what happened to them. 

After up with this after we've finished our semester and our transfer to Norfolk, Virginia or destroy a training school. And I don't know how long ago or two months or something. It was a very long. And they're to the Navy station, of course, at play for packed with people. Maybe people know where they were building up and or they had already built. 

Yeah, I took special courses in the oldest were destroyed, which are courses in firefighting and I don't know what all the Whitehead the courses I had a Georgia Tech and in the navel or two you see were superb. Theodore Weld. 

Well prepared. 

So I stayed there, go back an hour very intensely and love. 

They had been writing a lot and I bought an engagement ring at the what do they call that term? 

The theory. I think it may have been called Commerce Server. Seem like there's something else. And I had got my orders to report to the USS Bradford, DD 5 45 by such and such a date. 

So I was all excited and I got a ticket on train to from normal to it louder. Stir up the whole way, all the way. If so, can you show for people, store all the way? 

And, and Atlanta, hard to believe? 

Yes. Wow. Hours and hours and hours? 

Yes. In African pop back against the walls and things. When I was young. And then from Atlanta, the bus to Blakely taken up. There, took about six hours. Nothing got stopped all along. Here you have happening in your bag. My mother and dad met me and I had we had no telephone trying to remember how I got the word to him. I think that I called my dad did Berkeley Blake in Blakely that time. And I did call the drugstore his building. He didn't have a telephone in his office. And he got the word time and they met me and then I saw Rebecca rot away. 

Now too, just for two days. She wished she was teaching time. 

So we then I went down to Jake and where they were depot there and call it Atlantic coastline to Montgomery. And we picked up Rebecca and receive determine goodbye. No more than that. 

So Merrick Montgomery Montgomery College, we're up to New Orleans. 

I reported to a department, worked for the Navy or maybe the whole military own, seeing that that the military people could get transportation and outgoing to or San Francisco. So. They say Did you ask Rebecca to marry? 

Nor did he didn't even know? 

Yeah. 

Well, yes, I gave it the whole I'm glad you brought that. I gave her the ring and we were out on a date and I part somewhere. I don't know, but I gave her the ring. She took that NC, looked at it and see. Thank realizes. Oh. And it looks like real diamonds to be like real life. Saturday. Saturday because we didn't know what was going to transpire or girlfriends bar, so we were engaged. Okay. 

Now we're back to New Orleans. And your goal is, and thanks for inviting me. And it's way up. This lady is kind of important that I mentioned this code come into play later. Said, Oh yes, you're out orders to go to see fulfill a former. 

It'll get your birth on this problem and I'll click, click, click, click, and I'll say it's a solvent. They're on the train and took about three days or two to go. And so when we got to California to LA and had changed trains at LA. 

So I got off and there's another ghetto, the Nala try another young in some there that was waiting for the train and he started talking and we could tell that each one offers up for the first assignment, you know. And he said cigarette when he pulled out cigarette and that's it. Yeah. And I had never smoked and vehicle hours. No, I don't know. I was just so excited I was thinking what I was doing. 

So I took the cigarette and they handled it as how a professional smoker. And then I realized that I don't smoke. 

But and I gave it back to us when non-rational. What amazed me was that I couldn't have deliberately hell, cigarette. That way. The people smoke they do it a certain way. I've seen it happen in so many time. 

So we were on and he invited me to visit his aunt and uncle in San Francisco. They have a daughter. And so we did and his daughter his door, he they'd know girl and her cousin? 

Yes. Yes. And were very nice evening. Their family really nice to special meal and so for my birthday. And so then I was assigned to go down to the part that the range is transportation overseas. Did you want that detail? 

Oh, yeah, I do. Okay. 

So I had to wait for the weight for a ship headed to Pacific Ocean weather destroy it was. And the ship they put Mel was a battleship. Those very interesting battleship tiller. It was that thing. And there were a lot of passion is on it. There was hair for her. Why? 

And we were quartered in the stern of the ship. And it go and cross the water. It says such a slow rock back and forth in a pitch. 

And we will take seem like a almost a minute, draw a ball up and then all we write down you so long and heavy that you'd be walking along in the car does and you feel like you're you weigh twice as much, it'll go row. Then all sudden, you can hardly keep you fully Europe. And he said, You know, it's interesting because we had nothing to do. 

What I saw. Only time. I'm sure that'll do it alone now. 

A spotter plane loss from that battleship, from the old age when we will send a plane out to circle route over the enemy ships and spot the shelves where they landed. 2000 feet or 500 yard over. Many are down. It happens 0 in on the target. This is a float plane. And that ship gloss at plain wash as an exercise for the PAL. Very interesting and extremely hazardous. 

So what you're graphing here, we're lurking around for how the what, how long you lurking around like that before you got where you are going? 

Well, we didn't take too much time on that. We've got to why and how long? 

I don't even remember. Probably five days to get there. And you will land in Hawaii. 

And then our state in timber and a officers quarters in Hawaii until they found a ship that could go into Unity. And this was then a toll in the middle of the Pacific there that the Navy was used for the acreage. The use of number though separate languages, they can put up a submarine narrow cross deep portion. 

So I got on the show refrigeration ship going out there to be a supply ship and the total utility. And we are there. 

And then when the Bradford the baffles out when it came in, then I also grabbed or pick me up and are poorly from the Bradford. 

So that was going to be your home for how they're going to be my home until I think it was about January 45. 

So it's going to be home for a little while. While you were writing letters to Rebecca? 

Everyday? 

She wrote everyday to wonder. Yeah. 

So it was the only person that did you were you under fire on the Bradley? 

On the bradford? 

Well, we had we had some rough times on the Bradford. 

Wouldn't have our reunions us May talks about yeah, we were tasked 458 and no bar back there and everybody knew about Task Force 58 pack in those days. Here's one huge armada of shared pillow. Just in fact, the task 458 on the one admiral are broken up into task groups. And I would read 58.6 or something like that. 

That will be my task group that consisted of a couple of carriers, may occlusion, battleship maybe, and then a ring of destroyers shaped general like a horseshoe around the ships. They were OUT, set out as a barrier against submarine attack. 

So we'd be cruising along and we were continually launching planes. And we go into the wind and then we would reverse direction to get back. 

So when they come in, what could be going into the when, when they land sea. And we would have a position. They had a ship they call the flagship. Everybody positioned. And I had all these formations and book that had been worked out. And you have certain formation, you have certain position. 

And your position with relative to the flagship and its course had nothing to do with north, south, east and west. You know, there's so many degrees off of this bow. Then, and I loved it right away. I was an engineer and Harvard, they have a standard junior officer, the deck washes and love. And my job was to keep us at own positions, not to direct the ship after that. Did that, but calculate what would be the direction we would take to get to position. Huge. 

Well, it was fun. We had you'll be going along and say you're going corso to 80 degrees and go in reverse. 

So to 60 degrees North. The command ship would raise flags indicating the new course we're going to take. And then we'll execute and we're all here for our new position. 

So that would be while the to the aircraft carriers and cruisers, battleships for making the turn to head back the other way where the zipper crossed to get over to be a head on in that position c. And add a border that you worked it on. I forgotten the name of that board. I'm sure it's all done on the computer now. And it was a very vital piece of information to interpret the flag incorrectly in them? 

Yes. Right way and get everybody there. You have to be at that spot. Yeah. We don't call these war game. That's what they mean. Yes, that's why you had to project. Spot that you're going to need to be at. And so you would hate for that. Never mind where by alterable hit a spot. That was fun. I loved it. He did. I did. Yeah. 

Even though you missed Rebecca, a real dire ethical in the way of farmers, they say it was still a study. Prospect Hill was and it was it was so different. I mean, sometimes I get the feeling at night test Stellenbosch night to you. Just a different countable worl world. 

Were you aware of the progress of the world, what was going on? 

Did they communicate that with you when you pretty well accepted? 

Now that time, destroyer and not a lady? 

Yes, I was actually lost our trend. 

Well, not a dotted when it is you want to guess what? 

Maybe I just happened to have read locked out about it was they had a saying back then, the army and the navy. Army and the Marines fight the war, but only the Navy and joys, of course. 

But this is some hard time for the Navy culture. Wherever I want will literally already worn the war. They just fight and desperation. No, I have to Midway the word Pacific was one. They could not replace all of carriers and things. 

But they see no way. Yeah. And you were there until when? 19.1945 was the next move. What prompted your return? 

You go next after the Bradford. Head to the heart after the ship, you are destroying the Bradford. Where your next door or outgoing? 

I stayed on the Radford. And we we will staff 458 and everything, all of these ships and everything. And we went over to the Philippines. They were preparing for and Beijing or the Philippines. And the now the Maryanus marrow, so warm. 

So I pair, they were prepared and vague, warm as I pan and they wanted to be launched planes from there. Yes, Japan. 

And at that time the Japanese decided that we had to get a sense and that's something that could not share from they send everything the head down to try to destroy. 

So that put all our task force 50 a gathered together for that one big showdown there. And we never saw their ships. Whole aircraft were supporting the aircraft. And they had they were off. They, they found the airmen. And they laughed, shot the playhead and sank Sherpa, who just has such a powerful navy the end. And they came back. He was so late and they running out of fuel. It was night. Good night. And we aren't really want quip per night landing called surely, yes. 

You keep chip dark at night if they were coming in and some are more making it and they were ending up in the water. 

And so it was a really rough time for the power's coming back or we hit the core of the turkey shoot, shot consummated Japanese plane Sachs and many of the ships that they will stay around there the next day. The fleet went on to pursue the Japanese and the left to destroy that for survivors. And we were one of them. 

But I want to say that on that afternoon before when we were all together, I was up on the bridge and are looking around and I could not see the end of the ships. It was degree over the horizon. It was the greatest naval Armada ever assembled. 

So disordered, probably about three times to be with your own. I thought it was unbelievable. 

So we stayed on and we looked hallway for survivors. And just really by nine hours, warn wouldn't quit. Looking at in London. Found no. 

So then we had we had orders to head back to you with no. No, no. And we talk and we will go along with dark. And we had on our radar a plane trailing us. And we give. Stay and keep up with us. And we thought it must be a friendly plane, must be want to PB wise. 

But we could not get in the identification off the radar. See, send the radar signal of the home are sometimes found. The commander decide where to shoot. 

So shut them down and wanted a choice will investigate and cause a PDB. Why? 

So? 

But we could never get in their vacation. And so are there any survivors from now? 

So now as I said, said No, it was yeah. 

So that's a harbor. 

He came into this Japanese not per day and never came back to the states by sheer para shove her bad shaft. One of us we came back for repair to San Francisco in last of August. 

And then I had just a week of time and I want to come home and I want to bring back Rebecca with so I send a wire that ours along the way home, I went down to the navel, to the Army Air Force base and rode their their cargo planes to a ladder. 

I had to go to three cities still faster than all those traps they had that worked and got home and modern day, I don't recommend. That night. I proposed heard marry me. Now. 

So we made in about two days, put together right here in Blakely, right here, black in her house. And it was a while where big we're hitting it naturally. And then yeah, this is Amber down some close friends. And then we repeated the trip I took say from Jake and Montgomery. And the orange is our dash and hours. I know where I get ticks and went down there. And she said, Well, you on the orders, here are the orders that you're all yaw. 

So I don't have the authority to get the high as he said, but I'm going to do it in a way. 

So we've our honeymoon was on the train go. Thank you, Rebecca. Rebecca and we stayed in San Francisco for a while. The ship will be repaired until about later in December with a reception with the night. 

And later in December we had wonderful honeymoon, stayed in a hotel most of the time sometimes and maybe base in a constant hot. And then we've got held back. Just so she came back to Georgia. She came back to Georgia. 

Now the L ofs is there. Most of them were made, I admire something and I remember the warning that we were leaving. We were had to be done at a certain pair at a certain time in the morning before daylight, you know. And of course we're all after our wives. And we were down there and I walked up and Somerset queryable. As bad as excited about all the exhibits, you can hurt us. 

So we got on the ship, we headed back and we went to a railway. We bombarded evil, Gemma. And we want all our tests photo right AUG, and when bombarded. 

And I was in ancient Rome part of the time I came up and looked, I couldn't see anything as well that takes care of. I would change my mind. 

Now biomass back later we were back any regime or supporting the Marines. 

They will have in one row time we're shooting star shells over them at night so they could see who kept a place lit up all night. Container starchy. I want to have to know three or four Destroyers done that. How long did it last year career with the name? 

It lasted. We went from there to Okinawa where we had a really rough, raucous time. We were picking ships. You really work. We will pick whichever OK. 

Now, I don't know if you know what that is. We were located at a position between Okinawa, Japan. 

Who stay at that position and our job was to pick up Japanese planes on the radar radio back so that I aircraft carriers could launch them. And they just about God or saying when they cleaned, they would die. Bomb picket station where they were sitting down. We were sitting ducks. They knew where we were and they were they were common causes. And I thought come all my life, I will never, ever see a plane dive into Sapling. Have now seen it. You've seen that was unbelievable back then and still I'm going to do now. 

Then of course, from there, OK, now we have the atomic bomb and we were thrill today of course at that time, we were supporting a mine sweeper between Japan and Korea. Mine sweepers, we look like the Empire State Building care to compare. We were right at the shoreline almost Japan. 

Well, I will be around. Like that was going to begin and they dropped the ball when it couldn't get any worse. Yeah. I came to the rescue it. And then you realized yeah, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There wasn't one being one word. Yeah. Right? 

We felt they were going to fight to the Bedouin ride on Japan invaded by 2.5. Oh yeah. Cause they did everywhere else is pretty much said. We would have lost a lot of them. 

They would have to show that all settled down pretty soon and we came back to that point, then had enough parts our marriage. And there are a lot of grandma about that. 

The single people who had been AN from day one or getting out a faster way, younger people who will merge. I saw and I came back to Georgia Tech because you still had a semester to go. What's the best that are reported? 

Georgia Tech. My dad tried to top-down taken time off. You decided to exercise the option, it'll go right back to school. You wanted to get that semester are the ways that it yes, I did. I wanted to get all my life. I was married and I this was the semester I missed the spring semester. Shah reported back at Georgia Tech vs. Said we have no room for it and you still we are packed. And I said, Look, I just came back or your repair. Okay. Yeah. They Rebecca come with you? 

Yes, she did live there. Where do you find? 

We found first just a womb place for packed packed room out in a basement. Eastman or closes. I think that's about where the airport is, not somewhere. East point point, point. 

O at least founder group because there were people that I mean, everybody was living with everybody they knew and whatnot. That's right. And so you had come in for just that one, right. One semester. 

And then we have different guy where you then Jack? 

I was I was different but not nearly as much as some of the fellows. We had. Others who were had been in the war. When you're reporting back. It was a different class. It was a whole differ from class. These fellows who had gone off trawler law, you know, they, they go down to very safe means. 

So what we had here with some very focused older men, not try ways anymore, but older man who came back to get their business the way thinking out there like that, right? 

So it when a question of where are you going to study or not, it was just questioning the time. Get mine you and get your degree. And you didn't net one semester one semester. Graduated and started your life? 

Started my life, yes. 

And what was the first decision? 

The first decision I made was that my brother and I didn't want to leave the area and my pair, so we we started a business in Blakely where we would sell appliances and do repair work and install pumps and do things like that. For a while it was wasn't too bad because people had not been able to make purchases. I wanted to go a little bit of a boom. 

But an int likely they're able then to Blake. 

And but as things settle down and or the or the lack of industry around here, I began to give me with Atlanta, Washington. There was no more. And you start thinking about maybe doing something. 

Well, another thing happened to, I would running into these problems. Donor pair work and I wanted to redesign the things I would really like it. 

And so one I had was we had this home water systems that the air in the tax and in order to to be able to have a cushion and I gave you the water and air charges, something to put a tag for not reliable at all. 

So I invented one. They got come up with an air charge. I know I can do it, try dad and got a patent on it. And in a company in Muncie, Indiana, Brady cooperation. 

So my pattern and call, they want to talk about it. 

And I went up or narrow view and we traded, they want to bother patent, pay a royalty and hire me as Chief Engineer. 

So this sounds like a good deal. Good. 

I mean, you had to move to month a uni and we will see India and that with the big, then they sacrifice their middle. And of course I was excited. And I did. I worked hard and we got the thing going and he got out and to sell it and we could not sell it. It was too expensive. The pump companies will sell it to. I thought they sold of farmers. 

But those two builders, because of a huge building program, we are in bloom out in the suburbs. 

Everything that big business builders builders wanted it just as cheap as possible, Yes, Yeah, because they were turning everything. Maya charge Akash more than others. And so that didn't do very well. 

So I started working on other products there are developed for new pop. For Brady. 

The Hebrew will pop for ice cube makers and coolant pump for milling, drilling change it charges on you pump. 

In the meantime, saw an ad in the Chicago Tribune, said live in vacation land and work for Whirlpool, science, a dad and got a call and went upward and view the hard work you're whirlpool but not in patho. Know that's in St. Joseph, Michigan. Grad on the lake. It's beautiful, beautiful country they run on Lake Michigan. There was a whirlpool headquarters of winter yeah. Though. They're Wednesday. Yes, they do. 

Well, they had lunch and MS2 they tablet then. 

So I went to work and the my boss, who was the head of the advanced development, we had a president pushed development, development of new features, new partially everyone is right up here, I rub my hair and he's got banned on the first day. 

He said, Jack, we've got a little problem here, own a pop and I notice you've got some patents on water. And I'd like you to work on it. And it was it was a system where they wanted a pop that will replace two pumps. They were selling washing machines with two pumps. The reason I needed to pump was these automatic washers we're placing general or a ring or washers. And the people who bought them were accustomed, we use an arena washer. They fill it with warm water and put detergent, wash all the crucial. And then they put the Wherefore a unresolvable. 

They didn't like this machine that would dump this war route with detergent and you have to refill it. More. World who had a such saver on there and it would pop the water, wash orient or a laundry tub. 

Go ahead and finish the wash and then we put natural close in, would subset back the, the horrible system for given that feature search say where they built washing machine for Kim or two were very popular. People like they had to save the hot water and they say the detergent. 

But the two pumps would rather them up the wall. They had engage and disengage. Someone would pump the water out. The the, pump the water. And so my boss said, we order one palm and ethnic work on it. 

So I started day and taught about books on pump for our new, a good bit about pumps. 

And started trying to come up with a way to have one pump that will pump from right to left, from left to right. 

So that it becomes out it becomes. 

And the more I dug into it, the more I began to realize that they wanted that so bad that they had given that project to virtually every engineer. That work there. 

And they had not been able to solve it, which made it all that much to me and I was determined to solve that problem. And in order to solve it, I had to think I was literally ahead. Think, think, think of of different concepts and how you could you could get the water to move. And then also not only get a pump that will pump and it will become the hour now the in it. 

But it would be a type of pump that would handle sand, lance, strange, suds, air, divs, bobby pins, toothpicks and everything else goes to the washing machine, AAC. 

So it had a very open palm. And I worked on that thing. I worked on its container just stayed in my mind all the time. 

And I would get would just leaned back and closed my eyes and maybe put my feet on the desk and think, think, think. Later. My boss told me that. His boss said, Where do you go under FAR clear but he's not Dorothy. Know. How long did it take me to come up? 

It took three months. Not very long at all. 

Well, same around the hammer is used to people being busy. C, they told her boss it out, working harder than anybody in the building. Leave me alone. Thank goodness. He recognized three months. Three months. I had an idea of how to do it, and I had spent so much stored on our robot positive work. 

So I drew it up and be off and it was successful. Or they were excited. They were really excited. The chairman of the board came over to see it. They were desperate because of the extra cost for the extra pop and the service calls required. Save them time. I say it about $3 per washing machine right across the board posts all the service calls. 

So after there they kind of pig and this guy's nevertheless White Tower, him or her, you know, they, they tend to run lab or some place where you could do this or did you just do it all in your head? 

I I had different I did in my IDE actually, I did have one at one time, a separate environment. 

But I don't that didn't turn and I was in a group one time called a select group. 

So concept of Bill Gordon's who worked for Arthur D Little, of how you can take a three or four people and get them out of the environment and off somewhere else and remote. And give me a sign. Muslim. And I went to virtual. Every brainstorming school had no German ideas of how to get people to. And then as a group, you know, group creativity that you did really well. I found, I decided that have to go and all of that over the years. 

That the major advantage in a brainstorming activity by group is those people who don't feel challenged to, which generally most of them have to focus. And you might get something from them, both for the people who naturally feel challenged. They grow by themselves. It doesn't really matter whether they're on a mountain top or right. They're in a busy office. The threshold, I think about it. Same thing for you anywhere? 

Yeah. 

How many patents did you acquire during that period of time you are working for Whirlpool? 

I acquired I think it was 28 patents. I believe they were pretty tight with patterns. 

If you came up with a new invention. They wanted to see first if they're going to be putting that thing and production Aleksey. Yes. 

So our our him he went ahead and got those patents on your own? 

I would not have gotten no patents are called restrictive ready to their products. Okay. 

So they were not, they were not there. They brought a whirlpool, nebula whirlpool trying to get that bond to work. Oh, yes. You sign a waiver when you work for them. The whole idea is you do that utilize all of them are more submit they got hands-on. They did utilize through some they didn't have one or two. They did separately, keep competition from. 

But I worked on washing machines and I worked on a high earners which were they they were trying to keep the ion are in the market, you know. And I got some inventions on iron, but synthetics, put them to the grave, you know. And then I went into a select this, select this group where, where this group creativity. And we will get one dope on assignments. 

We came up with some things that some are pretty ridiculous on, some, some like hydroponics of plant gore and you live in a room and it will automatically feed the plants and, and, and things like that. And proofs enact this. 

I would I would see my colors are getting when I went down and talked to my boss acid, I will get out where the firing line is. I want to get out on into where the product is put in production and won't be an ivory tower here. 

So they let the word out and I've got an offer for a job in Saint Paul, Minnesota to head up the dishwasher engineer. And I went up, we move there. And then so I was the top dog on engineering for the dishwasher. And I loved it. I really loved it was a challenge. We we we're in real trouble with dishwasher. We're just getting into it and our first model versus areas had Timothy wrong with it. 

So we enjoyed that Thoreau and we were there for eight years. Ganymede, good shape. Yeah. 

So and that was in the product engineering where you make the final decision, what go down the line C, and the dishwasher while a offers in good shape and it's pretty much the same dishwasher right now. It's great. And I got patents on that to all the while I was in my husband. And I only would put my name on if I originated it. And the engineer didn't remind me to sign it. If he if he can't target and ran over that isolated, go see. 

So the upper level spray arm on the dishwasher is my adventure. 

But then after that I came back 20 and head headed out. I got a promotion or motion. I was Director of Advanced development back in Michigan. 

Had the department say on that I had first started working for and our job was to come up with whole new thing for Whirlpool products. 

And that I enjoyed that a lot with all the guys were pretty much we didn't have any female engineers and although we would like to borrow, they were scarce. Select group, group, do, think beyond the borders, think out of the box. 

And so I draw that had one thing when I retired by the interests, you see a robot bought 60% of our washers and dryers. And this was the department. 

The department was not a refrigeration and what we call the laundry washers, driers, dishwashers, the photos and rages. 

But see Roebuck on the washer and dryer, paid 62% of our bill. 

So say so 60 percent of the product. And our thinking, we're, you know, we're pushing for something new and software competition. What was going down the line? 

C. And so what was burned down are pretty good. With batting about 3%. 

Some, well, they might wonder if they get their money's worth because we just showed them the successes. They come. I will show them the latest and greatest and so forth. That works and looks good prompts. 

So I called the representative and told him to invite Syria and to see a flop show. And he said, What's a flop show us is show our flops. 

Okay, So they came back and we showed them a lot of project we worked on it were total flop. It makes its mark way dryer. 

That makes lot of sense to you throw in the zippers and numerous other projects, you know, cause of a dry lab. 

We had a dryer that telescoping here would put in a hallway and pull it out to expand and be a big grassy versus other way wouldn't all kinds of things. 

And we went through and they looks the same on the left, the measure of the buyer for shared and he is the king. He's the one that makes the series Jack. Best show. We have. He said We go out in the field. We're talking with our rapidly as they say. Here, the g is cover. Yeah, Well, so-and-so or may tags is I'm not going to worry about. Good. You get a point across. I ever did. 

So how did you make the decision to retire? 

I was 61 and 62 and I felt like I could consult and I wanted to do event for me and I had joined the whirlpool profit sharing plan. And if they're done well, I think I can survive if I go back home and see if I can invent something. 

But I pretty much learned what it takes to sell an invention because at Whirlpool, I was the buyer, so yeah, um, I would send that is in and I will be one of the people who looked at them. You've had a chance to see it from both sides. 

You have pretty good idea of what it would take to sell it and you were ready to come back to Georgia? 

Yes. 

I read Rebecca's, I am forgetting old and they had she her mother Darwin, as you know, they had been so supportive and she wanted to be around them. And we can go only grown in part. Your mother was here. She lived in Florida, but the house was empty here. And the kid will go groaning on. And so we came back in and we we've been very glad we've enjoyed living here. How many years and even who came back and 81. 

So 21 years. She and I was lucky I got from work roadway consulting. And so our basic monad felt like that. I don't have to have and she had always wanted to have her own house as it okay. 

So see right there there's farmhouse. And she did a beautiful job, did the drawing, the execution, everything to a contractor. She worked with a Carpenter. She picked at each board is the data and told you which n goes where. And she worked with him seven years. 

Is that seven years to do this? 

Let me see why I just wish you on how long did it take you to make your shot? 

Well, we made that first thing first and it's ready to row right there at that guy then the house, why you restored it? 

Yes, we did. And sometimes we had a whole wall missing. 

At that time, I had on the side developed a sprinkler, a lawn sprinkler that thought solve all the problems you had launched from and a whirlpool and you didn't take around him a basement. In fact, they can try and have a salad. 

But I thought I would come home and I really push that and salt. And I did. You did? 

Yeah, I did that really well. And I got again acquiree more ten yes. With it. And I got the sprinkler on the market and it was a Kmart for a while. 

But it was ideas such a great job. It's so simple. People walk by a look at that won't do anything. Walk radical by and look for something more complex. 

So they finally dropped it. 

So I never made in my own sprinkling. 

But my son, Joe, who remembered all those, our spin-off breakfast. And he said that all the time you spent breathless and never got anything for it. Let's see if we can take that principle to make a shower. Distribute the shower water over your body instead of just breaking. And so that's what got started. And that was great. 

So can we have a great shower? 

Really great shot. This is a good time for us to talk about those children. We refer to them as the kids. Children, a family that tell me about starting with the oldest first? 

Yes. Joe. Joe started yeah. Joseph H. Claremont. 

He wanted to do his own thing and he started in California as in California, a lot of baby boomers did and got into first you want college and would add about two years. He's an hour glass floor. 

So he went to glass rowing school and started a studio making hard glass, which we have seen so many more. Today. It took him a long time. A boy, he has beautiful glass, isn't he? 

He was arrested, says and now he's. 

You can go in the tinkering that he sold it to his employees and he and I were moving out there and he and I are going to be nice second kid. And he has, he admired it, has a song that I asked you to. He's married, he has a job. And what does that kind of thing? 

Jack. Jack, username right here. Why I said that? 

We're going to have a boy. 

And do you know what you all know what his name board to be? 

And I said, Well, Joe, I hope you enjoy, says when they invest in the most wonderful man, Jack. Sweet. Second child is Ruth Rebecca Ruth. She has an MD MD and Houston and has her own planet. They're long and our partnership with another doctor. And she's having a great career. She has no children, she admired, has no children. She married a fellow classmate from Minnesota to doctors. Know that medical doctor, no, he's not. He's WMD. 

And that is Alice and Alice kneels and Riverside and married and has two kids that are just now growing up? 

Yeah, boy, girl and their names are Joseph and Rachel. 

So we have Joseph and we have arrays. Yeah, that's right. 

And what did what with Alice's career? 

Alice is one of those slow rumors that decided that receives about 25 C. You want an education? 

And I couldn't believe it, but she will route or not. She's a PhD in clinical psychology, I believe, at Cornell. And she's having a great career. 

So all three of your children are very talented and very accomplished, very talented. They are very talented. They make you very proud of them. Yes, I do. 

So now you're going to move into the next phase of your career, which is to move out to the Northwest and get theories about tinkering with Joe, right? 

Yes. 

Instead of I told somebody instead of working with Joe facts to fact, we were face-to-face effect, effect for why you should see my stack of faxes, drawings and ideas and things. 

So any work well together or he is so sweet, mark your work with your homie virtual. I don't even know him and he said the same thing. 

Well, unless that's just nature, they don't naturally, we're good, Good, good relationship. He is a team for your work together. And meanwhile, Rebecca gets to design another house. I couldn't breathe. I say here, go below that. Yeah. She tried her best not to build another house. She looks at the houses, what she was so unhappy with everyone. I'm spineless. It build a house. Looking forward to it. Yeah. 

So what would this I'll take place. We're trying to have this farm up the Sahel. And when we can say that women. 

So it's, uh, whenever thing I wanted to tell you that this shower, which is a shaft that has a moving spray hit a sweeps, it treats water across your body. Doesn't have stationary outlets. 

And we how we traded with is Sri to talk about who we're dealing with with more and more on board power patent rights are looking forward to knowing when this is going to be MMR. 

So on the market now, the first model, the first model is on the market down is called the Revolution. 

Because it is a revolution in showered in that it's moving like adhered and appropriate time because everything now when you houses about the bathrooms and the showers and the shower, rose, garden tabs and all that sort of thing. 

So you're very timely. While also people are very interested in the bathroom. They've lost interest in washing machine. When I worked, there, were working on feature right and left. 

But nobody cares no more than all of them. I'll machine that's washes, clothes and reasonable laws no matter where you go. Yeah. 

Well, this has been a delightful story. 

I cannot tell you how much we've enjoyed, not only your hospitality, but you're wonderful story today. We don't have to go out and look at this wonderful. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you for giving us so much of your time and your patience. Your story here today? 

Well, they won't be neatly organized. 

But you had to go a long way. Thank you so much.