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>> I presume you are surrendering those documents to us. Or soon you are sharing those documents with us yeah sure or documents or to OK you are kindly and share them. OK. I have. Everyone. Thank you very much to witness for your present issues. And. Yet elaborate. exposé On the forward looking processes.

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That we as a commission used to take into consideration. OK. I want to thank you. For your you elaborate percent efficient as specially a concentration on the forward looking processes you outlined that are necessary for us to achieve our job and for the people of Liberia to have genuine reconciliation.

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With thank you for those insights and commissioners we actually question which I'm sure will border. Mostly I experience is entering the conflict period from one nine hundred seventy nine to two thousand and three. Thank you very much Shaikh. Thank you very much. For your presentation. Of few questions to X..

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Christ. Me to understand. That certain period. You became vice president. President. If you like. And it is my believed. Had before becoming. My president and president respectively. You were first a member perhaps founding member. With all what has taken place. From the day. Formation of you look. Up to two thousand and three.

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If you have an axe to describe the rule of your life. In both. Pre war. And war as well as. Post war era. What will be. Coming. Thank you a shared disappointing. My answer would be disappointing. There is a document that I include in my crude and the presentation to you.

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I argue. That individuals who become leaders of Beulah might speed Liberian citizens. I've found here that. Some are not by Derian. And I believe that we cannot and trust the issues that are concerned with Beulah that are basically on. The rights of Liberians in this country and the rights of Liberia in Liberia to individuals who are none Liberians this issue is.

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I believe that. In the past like the. Areas have not argued reasonably rationally rationally. Our. Presentation to the American people and I you know was. Suitably position to do that they are not doing that right now we have to issue the D.D.. Libraries I've said dead as a matter of fact.

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Quite soon some like us would be deported. It's unfortunate I have taken this issue. To do so they are not doing that I think that document is inside here you would read. Thank you. You also. Hear testimony in. The. P.R.C. it. Was an act man. My question is how long.

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Did he say. The government. That you declare said Nam. How long did you say it. While while you continued to serve. I served the P.R.C.. For. You guys even if we came to power. From from August one thousand nine hundred eighty I went home in August ninety eight.

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When the. We went to a civilian government. And like I said. It was really a nightmare simply because young about and myself discovered. A lack of knowledge about the kind of. Situation that is required for national leadership of course this is not only elect period and the type of countries you find that out.

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Individuals who are cede political power through what are called the accident of history that is it should be aware to the mentally presidential palace usually do not come with training that I predict could set for leadership a find among the P.R.C. but it was also. An exciting experience a laboratory saw a student of political science simply because at the age and and.

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They didn't lack of experience. Well I can say destroy you Mr. Advisor advisee relationship it's to you advise and implement. And in. Turn our countries. Don't want to bring in a higher train. Personnel to advice simply as a symbol of window dressing so without outside donors we believe that all we social and so people we work with we give the necessary resources that are necessary but they need us keep you at an arm's length.

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We can demonstrate that through. Instances and if you look at my in my my file that is archives at the state capitol you see on every issue down across my desk we do an analysis and present that for action implementation it's a responsibility of ministers not the advisor so I have the ability P.R.C. since one thousand nine hundred eighty two when we went to our civilian government and of course time.

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I am myself were instrumental in prescribing the process that brought us to civilian government budgets and billing. As a matter of fact the selection of the individual became. The commission. Audience with things that we we. Assisted in bringing and bringing it to bed so. Nine hundred eighty two nine hundred eighty six.

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But you know it would be R.C. You don't conclude asking why are you sad to government that you were just when you're cut and them. And and why you continue but we met with we may look as a matter of fact you know we spoke very candidly and in no uncertain terms this is a matter of record but we believe that it is better to continue.

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To continue to push for change. From the inside rather than be on the outside and in fact they should have been worse it will when I believe. The P.R.C. made several promises to the people. One of their was. But nineteen it defied. The country would be turned over to.

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The civilians. By ninety eight did three to four. That Frist reality was change. To Liberia would be a return to civilian rule. And in order. To change from turn you over to civilians to civilian rule. You say and you was it cool fun. Of and. It institution it leadership that you were for frustration how can you exonerate yourself front that dramatic change.

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Of. A military transforming. To a civilian so that you would turn it over to civilians. Be change to see a civilian to where it was said that leopard. Skin of leopard can scatter the same name. When it is the leopard. Skin what it is to meet. Leopard must go along.

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Why did you take the courage to become a quote from that and then had time to to Xander rid yourself from the mishaps that took place. First of all. I do not see and a fundamental difference between. Civilian global civilian rule you're saying is return to civilian government or the civilian rule I don't see any difference in that Secondly I am not excusing myself I did.

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Not at all I'm saying what I did and what did results which. You know in in in a god in a government or in any institutions that are division of authority division of division of labor my responsibility was to advise. And it is the responsibility of all of the advice in.

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Advice Ian I've advised the advice of a relationship is that divide the advice so far on. Policy development policy prescriptions and policy implementation have daughters who perform do is respected responsibility I'm not excusing myself at all. Not at all thank you. You talk about. This sent a lot of this is shown in a document.

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That. You presented. To the National Conference and in that. One Did you grab this idea. When you. P.R.C. government and the P.R. government or the transition I mean it's traditions. You had the opportunity I did time to project this into a policy making process as an advice. To these institutions Thank you.

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Did serial organizations. Those who are students of. Organizations you find the act of. Structural influence its behavior. If you set up a corporation and defined a competition in terms of rules and regulations people in the organisation followed those rules in our government the unitary system defines the activities of individuals in government.

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Now. My experience from the P.R.C. detected this done. We need a fundamental change. In our country. For example I'll give you one example. On the day of the coup d'etat the next day I was in the United States it is said. That. The president of the central bank of Liberia when Dick gathered behind the executive branch took two hundred thousand dollars to President Bill White Head of State do it and he said one of my to do with AS YOU SAY YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT No that's the way it is done.

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You see structure the way things are done defines the activities of the individual this is why we present it. If you go through it you will find the instances that are responsible for the conditions that we have in Liberia today we outlined them point by point we argue that on till we devise a method that way dress the issues that are.

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Prevalent in our you know in our society we will continue. To have to the problems that we have today. So this is why it's based on my experience from the P.R.C.. There's around one thousand nine hundred ninety eight thank you very much show. BIZ the year in office our colleague and I'm talking to the hearing officer colleague if mean if dad was resented by the witness.

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OK just let me look at it and I would you pass me right back to him before the no you can take I have I have what I want. Mr Witness. I want to say thank you Pharaoh mush for coming. And give me a testimony. Came in every and telling us what you observe a what you heard what you read and also.

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Presented tossed these documents would be documents that you participated in. You started off by scene or you were not an actor took on to the warring factions what you did I made that you were an advisor. These documents as I see talk about the EULA statement. And you consider yourself them and those there to be siring watchers.

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Which will be considered this document to be YOUR had a fish on the official marriage. Is our document here show that when you were. The one that you. Know. Social political and economic administration of Liberia at that time so you are also an actor. Now as you see it.

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And telling us said before snotter United States and given us all this advising us. And teaching us. Yes. Yes teaching us the call to use because we take these who can cause said Are you almost a pure retire commentator teacher or explaining. Why those things happen so we do nine year old man who counts in times of politics.

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Dream invent fission acting and dream of. Or we tank you for much for your part. Because from nine to thirty one years now up to date when you start in ninety seven to seven as far as the president of. And up to date it June twelfth two thousand and eight being a teacher.

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Commented. That's been thirty one years have been actively involved in politics for two decades twenty years from ninety seven to. Ninety ninety seven thirty. One years. Now are before going into a daze I would like to make two comments comment on two things recent happenings you talk about at the T R A C S D fired it.

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And because of what you've read because of the division you seem as to be able to hold all I want to assure you in this public manner and also feel that way I want you to hire a seed not divide it only issue on demand there for wish to talk to ought to to be able to live here on people.

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Because if you are a C. as it is NOT have gone beyond all or a tiara sees that Venice Tabish and event but twenty nine now because not only have we just here in Liberia but we've reached out for your one nine commissioners one retired be show cooler and in Nigeria it commissioners and as you see it commissioners year and we had two new work of the terrorists on the news many so do also fear there so the division is not adding vision to us now to the extent of our work because we represent.

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A cross section of the Liberian people were not put here by ourselves were recommended I went to a panel of experts you talk about conflict. There must be conflict for there to be a conflict resolution so we thank you all for taking note of that and as I say not as I'm saying your teacher.

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And take note of what the judge teaching and your reprimand to us certainly the issue of those in Liberia political leaders who said they would not come to a T R A C Some are woman's And you know too cheap is talking also writing. Because what you write people will read move I want to say to you that in T R A C Has a man it and on an area have a mechanism on a wish if people don't want to come we will fight you we can't initiate at two we have a magistrate and everything we do we don't do it in public because the reasons we've been here we've been having in camera hearings so what we talk in here inside a puppet is not whom I want you to in order that our of Magistri have already been using his subpoena power and contrary to what you hear from the president of to Republic of Liberia.

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Mrs Ellen Johnson Sirleaf she said she were read to come to the T R A C She said it to our hearings on the opening day of hearings she was present and she says she will come to the tiara see if call upon and added at she urged all members of the old Coleman the legislature.

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The cabinet and every other light beer and to come to the T.R. C. and she promised to stop all mental supported terrorists and majority of our money come from the Goldman so dorsal would not come we've always been so you will fight you to come by if you do not come we will stretch all our on still kitchen and believe me or not we are not too close Bulldogs.

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Thank you and tanks for we will know. At these historical documents. And as I say from the fission air it's the ACT us to teach us. Explain explain you to us and dream us and we're S.-S. and they will become part of history we were determined with our recommendations and history our prosperity posterity on form we're also judge goals we had a part to play in our history Thank you.

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Yes. I said I cited to source. Of. This condition that you describe I said on the basis of press release press reports and it will be nice for us in the diaspora to get a decisive precious response by decommission. It is said that President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf were right in memoir.

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And of course friend a Prince Johnson I have I have to duck in missing my briefcase Printemps I said over his dead body until it will bring Dole and they're doing dead he's not going to testify Mr hook up with just one second please the reason I say that I believe in the process of the T R C Because I think national reconciliation for security unity is is very well necessary you know a country to be given to have been a tribal divisions that we that we had.

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So now the average person in the streets. You know Prince Johnson was a major actor in. India in the tragedy. If you go also presents them not going to the people I know where to many. What is this and you have. Put it. Legal marshal of the subpoena Yeah like you said so I understand what you say I believe in what you're doing and I would love to see that you know.

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Why would somebody sitting right in the paper I would submit myself willingly I do not have to wait until I'm caught if you are here I will come to testify if you want and those people who are who are accused of human rights violations in the whole country.

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People who are responsible put adults and destruction in the country for thousands of Liberians in this country today elsewhere they should come and see something talk about compassion. Forgive not forget that's all I'm trying to say I'm just saying the commission will know why we're here I think yes but I'm not accusing the coverage of.

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X X. Yes. That's also yes thank you because. What you are observing too much I would just say explaining what there's a time now for the witnesses mostly some perpetrator alleged perpetrators come on their own and we also have a time we have a right way to be here and I also want.