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>> This is a living history interview with Jack Ziegler class of one nine hundred forty eight conducted by Marilyn summers on June twenty fourth the year two thousand and four we are at his home in Charlotte North Carolina and the subject of the interview today his life in general his experiences at Georgia Tech Mr Ziegler thank you for letting us come visit you.

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The sun has come out. It's a nice day in Charlotte. It's been a rainy week and Charlotte but we're glad to be here on sunshine day and we're ready to hear your story. So we have to know where you were born and when I was born in Thomas or Georgia Thomasville Georgia Thomasville Georgia.

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May the nineteen thousand nine hundred twenty three. What were your mom and daddy doing in Thomasville Georgia at that time. Why were you born there where I have one book an older brother five years old and I am what detect also namely that I had a system that's a couple years old and I am not the source of this.

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Three years younger than I am. And so. Both of them also and go on. We want to know what your to call it Islamic for two years. Then came to Tech as a sophomore. And he would go up and so. He wouldn't do the Navy in one thousand nine hundred forty one.

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He quit when forty one nine attack in one nine hundred forty one. OK you're going to fast I want to know what you were doing down in Thomasville in nineteen twenty three you skip ahead to nine hundred forty one. What happened in one nine hundred twenty three that you're where it's where they're told.

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Hans grew up late. What were your mom and dad doing in Thomasville was that their home place. Yeah. Your mom and dad were both born in Thomasville you know what did your daddy do for a living. He was a traveling salesman so little bill supplies and still very early in the game then on the bills one nine hundred twenty three.

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That was early. So had your grandparents been from that area too. My grandparents. One morning my grandparents was a full blooded came over didn't look OK and he was a political truce. Wow interesting and he still did Thomas Moore who's. It's well known as a city rose and he's told the whole thing.

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How interesting. Well this is name your pee your history you H.G. or teen age is just a word he was born or raised in the mall and he had a great hand with flowers then that's right. And that's what Thomasville is so famous for I knew it. Yeah bill's going to do.

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Isn't that interesting. So your parents stayed right around where their families had been before them. That's like. The courses back in the Depression so well even before the Depression they were there they were there. Early on. So in nineteen twenty three when you were born they were well established Dizzee girls were well established in that community.

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That's right. Did you go to elementary school in Thomasville I should do. OK And you remember going to school you know. Were you a good student. I did pretty good. I mean you didn't mind going to school you know you liked school. You know didn't play in the band.

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What did you like I played bassoon bassoon Wow That's interesting. And one of those senior played a solo at the state's first pool which was in middle school and I got a one push and they wanted to one push given that you you know but I got one and.

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A girl in bands of papers all of whom she got blown always felt that night and I had a food culture both full from step University who put up soon you could have had a music scholarship you would have had a different career entirely when you know him and when I told the man directing.

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Thanks but no thanks I'm going to go to Tech. When he was here he was I'm sorry I've got home. You know when it's the first time you thought about going to Georgia Tech. When your brother went no or did you know about Georgia Tech earlier than that I knew but Georgia Tech earlier in that month.

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Must Fall and that was his dream for both his board go to Georgia Tech really. Now why did your father know about it. I guess just reputation cause before then go to college but he must bet maybe he followed the sports teams do you think you'd ever heard of yellowjackets will heard of the old records and he's heard of the group creation of of the school Georgia Tech in general and he wanted to have his boys be good engineers.

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That's right. Well that was something you grew up with knowing you were going to go to college. That's right. You just it just came along. Naturally to you and we didn't have much money but. We were cool. Yeah. Now your brother went ahead to you. So he knew about the co-op.

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Yeah that's right. And because your brother knew you knew. Let's back up a little bit to the late twenty's Do you remember when Georgia Tech went to the Rose Bowl game. You know. Did you listen to it on the radio. Maybe i'm sure didn't read or write in the paper maybe that they that it happened is that when the guy random wrong way read around write him and say I have a feeling that probably your dad followed what was going on and kept kept you guys aware of Georgetown.

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That's right. So what your brother got there. Did you ever have a chance to come up and visit him that tech. Do you remember I don't really remember. So you don't know for sure when the. First time you went to Georgia Tech you know maybe you went when you were a youngster maybe not but by the time you were ready to go to college you turned down the music scholarship.

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You already had enrolled for the co-op program. And you were going to be a mechanical engineer just like your brother. That's right. OK so you probably wrote a way to enter school. That's usually what you did in those days. Now if you were in south Georgia. You probably only went to the eleventh grade is that correct.

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You know that this. Jeff Van twelve good for nothing. So you did get the twelve. I went to the twelfth grade so that was an advantage for you then that means you had a little bit of chemistry maybe you know a little bit of headaches and. So you were you were going up to Georgia Tech to start school we end in a fall semester or in a summer semester fall of one nine hundred forty one forty one.

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You went up there and the first time and you're going to have your school first. That's right. I was good timing as follows The best time to be there isn't that. I might say to some of us. Well what you Georgia Tech. I was up at book will Beach Virginia one of the Messiah's teaching high school had offered me a job of the his children's book will beach and gather had been the case you.

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The four to the war story and. He would go into the service and his own due to twiddle to the you. So he can go and join and I was given the job which case you left without a big That was a big trip for you that. Yeah go up there.

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Go to make mistakes for it all to market had room and board and that's a good experience. It was a very good experience and helped you grow up a little bit you know. So by the time it came for you to go away to Georgia Tech you are to have one good trip under your belt right.

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Right. You go up there. All right so you made the trip but do you remember if your parents took you or if you were on a bus or maybe by train. But train. I train. Yeah OK which was very common transportation then yeah yeah. All right so you went by train arriving at Georgia Tech.

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In probably late August. Maybe early September of one nine hundred forty one thing you know to September. OK because we were on the quarter system still you know we're not. That's right. All right so you came in as a student did you get a red hat. Yeah because you got it somewhere.

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It's somewhere that great. So you got your red hat and you learned a little bit about the traditions. Did somebody teach you how saying I'm a rambling wreck from Joy you know yeah and you started out by going to football games. Yeah. What was it like in one thousand nine hundred forty one on that campus was it fun.

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It was fun. It was the lived in Klamath going through it and we only have about twenty twenty one twenty two hundred students at the time so pretty small and we had a good town and there were you worried about the war. It wasn't a big worry just yet that didn't come until you know December and in fact after the Corps.

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And I joined the list reserve corps in total nineteen forty two. And they told us to finish the food and service and so. I was working I would Newell come in my cook build with green you're going to have me on their worst I still got you in school we don't even start a co-op you need but I want to know what was going on with the school in one nine hundred forty one before Pearl Harbor.

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Was it a happy place. Yeah so what do we have let's we had coach Alex was yeah football coach do we have a decent team. That's still in those days. Did you write to me again she played on your hat. I don't think so. You didn't put the name of the scores from the games on your head.

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I don't know I don't remember it started. I don't know I might have I just don't remember. You know. A good number for good is good and better than you but if you're forgetting is getting better. Let's talk about where you were when Pearl Harbor occurred in December of one nine hundred forty one where were you I was in Cleland on tour.

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So you do remember. Yeah. In fact. A guy from Nashville Tennessee named bew Marie. Who live right next door to he it was close to and had a telephone a booth. If Tom The phone rang. You'd have to ring it. They had dance or he'd have to put this or jewelry.

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I didn't know this is your reach. Because it said So you were hot. You know and so went What were you doing when you heard the news. I would have known what I was doing. I know one thing that it was a Sunday. You know. It was Sunday and a friend of mine was from Bangladesh Georgia.

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And I don't really remember zillion now. But he had a brother hidden hidden field. And he was a kid do. That made it very personal for you then too. I was down them would play with him for longer than me to very personal. You know what I wondered is if if you were as a young man hearing that news if you realized what an impact that was going to have on your world could you even have understood that probably not.

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But I know one thing I was my story would come. Before an active duty. The first quarter going to will come. I'm a physicist and know that second quarter me fifty thousand. And a friend of mine who had worked at will come knew what I was making and he going to budget reship Goldenbridge of your dream.

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And he wrote me and told me if I could come in the other work. That I get seventy six also know. So I have a jones or brother that lives in crime was his mother was a woman was a nurse and she worked at the ship goes to as a nurse and so.

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They offered me. Room for breakfast and dinner and I think of them like two hundred dollars a month right and anyway I would download them and work and ship goes as I'm typing detail. And when I get really come back and there were ten days to leave. It's even newco me and instead he talked to all men poking mission.

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And said that if I was doing work and ship your put the rest of the war that I could be relieved from my commitment to them all to the military because it was made in the war that meant no school. That's right. And I said thanks but no thanks.

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There's nothing wrong. I've got to go. And so you say you were willing to go to the war when the time came for. Now in those days. Did you have to go find your own co-op job or you know it all up. I think thought of them who was in charge of it.

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That was again a jet. I moved in a deck you might have been I think maybe that was just job at that time to find you a job. But Denin in Brunswick. The first quarter worked out moved to force more companies seventy six and snow. The second month made a dollar an hour and a three month amid a dollar Corno so you could just see yourself going up the ladder.

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I was rich then it's not so the first term of school the first quarter of school. How were your brakes did you do. All right. Or did you find you were challenged. I was sure it was a challenge. You had to learn how to study didn't you. Yeah and Course tells us to minister follow school.

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It was a lot tougher for me than the guy from Charlotte and Birmingham. Yeah yeah so big city people did better then there's not tell us right. But you persevered you learned how to study and you must to really focus time I know that all that they got from trolls.

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It meant that going to take. Their trouble would help you grow and so that lasts six weeks or so six of we're going to take from town from. We've got to have the profile of the **** you graduate from Virginia to Teacher's College overbook so you had a crash course ahead of time we had a crash course ahead of time and we all had to books and was really smart of you guys to do that but we do we did and did it pay off.

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Yeah you had a easier time with algebra than you would have had him. So you managed to do. All right that for him to quarter as I recall my profession have a name stain it. Yeah man. Since I stay me another innocent thing that happened maybe before the.

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That tech was this is going to funny. I had them both speaking from Professor Glen Reno Glen Rainey Yes and he was a big admirer of Franklin the low Roseville and somebody to them. So when it came time to make a speech. I was chipped so that he liked Roosevelt.

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Is that what you chose. So I went to the library I did a lot of research I wrote my whole speech about frightened and we love our good for you and really enter a new every day he story was if it dropped from the welcome bit of the back.

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In this day he still at the back of the first one go that's a gradient bandstands And so how many must be frightened little rows will and from then on at the finish must be. He told what rules of the wrist for the poor nobody else got done.

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No. And you know what made him that course after he got a doubling job. Boy that was a good job offer you less than that. Yeah I heard he was a very intertainment professor they would think so. I thought to tell you one gentleman told me that he was so funny.

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You could we could have paid money to go see you mean that it was so funny. You never skipped a rainy class. I told Philip but him but that story. I didn't get the debris from my speech. I have made for most subjects you don't think your speech was that good.

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You spent a lot of time on it though. I mean that was a smart decision. You know but you still has a lot of time on it. You know since he was an expert he would have cut you all out if you had known what you were talking about.

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Yeah well he he was an expert. Well he was he listened and I didn't know the research of him. Yeah you were right on the money with that I was great. That was very So finally you finished that first quarter and you knew you were surviving you were going to make it.

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Yeah off you went to your first job and you're telling us you did very well even though fifty cents an hour doesn't seem like a lot of money at least it was a start. Now. You came back after that work period to go to school again this time it was the spring then nineteen forty two and the world had changed a great deal and trying it had changed.

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Now all of a sudden Georgia Tech is a military environment isn't it. Everybody's in uniforms. Things have changed to him now for the Co-op's what happened about you taking our O.T.C. where you were you when we continue to take an O.T.C. has cooked but we didn't wear uniforms or you did not wear the uniform.

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OK So you were one of the few people on the campus then and for you too that was not uniform. Primarily the people of the Navy and they've been more uniform but you went to the drills and it was part of your route only anyways. Yeah. Now when you came back by this time and things had changed a great deal.

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What was your life like at Georgia Tech was it still a collegiate environment and we're still having a good time. Or was it more concretely met him enough to do or no I mean after you finished your first term of co-op and you came back for studies again.

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We're talking about the spring of Die nine hundred forty two I came back and we should we started holding you did. Yeah that's when school started going all year round. That's right. So the it was a lot more intense Wasn't it you know but there were still was there still time for college things.

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You know. The layers Kourou this for one. When I tribute it was that it was that the corner. That was the last quote evidence. Forty three. OK So you still have another whole year of. Yeah you know what I would just goo a quarter and forty two and in the summer I would down them back just going to come back to you now and then and I had to fall before your TRUE.

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You were back in school and went back to build it for them were term but that in the fall and in the spring of forty three. They declared you were soft more then so you were going to have to go active duty and Norn that you never knew what was ahead of you.

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I quite frankly didn't state it as much with the movers old hometown. And I make a bit of that in plain old saying yeah I want to take a new feel something but that's amazing because most people can say that I know. So you did do that but you have a little bit of fun too.

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You know you relaxed a little bit. My grades weren't real good. But I think that quarter which would get me out of Toby to pump. I made but zero signal would not told me to push. But you had a good time. You did you go to the movies you said Johnny I'm the fox the fox weapons trick you know and was the first very popular then.

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Yeah. What else was happening on our campus that I might know about. Did anybody ever hear of George P. Pradelle at that time. Yeah well George was alive and well then her here and sideways or in around the campus a little bit later not not before you went in the military when you came back he was there.

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Yeah yeah. So when before you went he wasn't there yet and that's right. So when you got activated as they called it the one nine hundred forty three did where did they say. And you. We would have to in Kansas to Fort Dix you know. Well you know within one month of for good is working overtime Yeah that's why you went off to Kansas to boot camp basic training basic training.

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You know and what were you being trained for. OK I was in a battalion over a thousand college students and this is for other Kansas Fort Riley OK. Thousand college students that we finished basic training roll shipped to us on the bus to do work for advanced engineering training.

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So as to university and a bus ticket for twelve months. That wasn't bad. You know. That in the first six months. Half the six months they had a lot of them. I mean could it wouldn't. Yeah that's because they were shipped out and they could sense a little ingenues to University of Illinois and just had and these were just the ones there just six Emmy's lived in that the nine months they were either.

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I don't know what they were thirty or sixty in these and they're three thousand girls but one hundred four. Will you know you were seven ten are My goodness we had standing you would take those shorts. In a meal would come to be done. All those women know man.

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So you were a popular fellow for that period of time. Yeah but you know we had a pretty good team. Where you had to keep your grades up or you can step out immediately. That's right. So what was the outcome of that after a year where did they send you next.

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You know that sort of sold up to four News Washington. All way out to the coast to him Coast and Well well we didn't have an A Do does. Except we had no orders. We worked and worked of a shipyard as a governor was helping. I work in the flour mill just passing time where you know in the end they encourage just goes live we shouldn't have a shortage of labor and everybody worked.

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You work but there but they didn't care what you were doing and so in November of one nine hundred forty three forty four think yeah yeah they came up with a list of people going for a little overseas pure post overseas and them. When you got there on the list.

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Everybody my place was on that list making good in disease and then they had no so I stayed out then and I was on the top the list and nineteen in December. So I came home at this time my parents moved to tell has a forum and I came over and spend Christmas but that Christmas.

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I got there. I lived in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven. And I got home one hundred twenty four days. I would always close a trail to call go on. Down To You had a big time go and then. And no. Put him back in there first place.

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We have had you look at ALL NIGHT your train I am so you got back to Florida for a visit and then what came next. When I came back to Fort Lewis. I've been ridin line one that I take note of this list to go to be reassigned.

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And I was. O.C.S. reputation. That they had us host son at the bus from Forward left he coached me that one month. My coat with him. And I own. Was a total portrait Odum for lose for an interview two I had applied for O.C.S. and. First orders and then the engineers and field tutors one lays choice.

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So one of them and it had interviewed all these colonels or what not. And so I went back in and few days I was cold and to the Whole Foods and I had been accepted for the whole three schools in order and just the way you asked what I and the Saudi lesson he had been that over two years and in the office now is the first person I've ever been.

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Except for all three schools in the world you must have been doing awfully well there and then anyway. He said What if they are. To the head of open for one person feel sure and he said do you want to go. Well I guess so. He said understand.

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You don't have to take us to Hitler in the war until they get somebody or is it your first choice which you accept of what I say what all of friends have already been. What is going to feel children. So what a field trip to school and as well.

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Government Commission and. Other whole class. We've been turning peg Thomas to paper cover him. He got a new moon and a Fort Hood Texas and he was in the hospital his papers called him he will end up going to Fort Benning to do if to school but where did you go.

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I would for to low go home. So you're seeing a lot of the Midwest and the Western states they're going south. I was never station. He's limits. Isn't that funny and now so you got out to Oklahoma and how long were you there. Where those years was better than a girl like fourteen weeks and I was able you know the much.

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And then I was at the Fort Ord California and eligible voters go overseas and by this time it's nineteen forty five. You know and it was a before VE day. Yeah it was before. VE Day but things were starting to wind up everybody had the feeling. We didn't have anything to do when we got photo and we just had to check the list there are more of an every day more from a club and if we want to do a church.

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And people in California we hitchhiked and they first from the Big Slim Kurz around so you got to see a lot of the coastline. Through one interesting thing happen in flute don't know what the other one day and we're going up to him. Remember place of a long post of call mill by harming the unify area and we were looked around the area and what not.

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And when to go mill amount of rain. We might read your home and we decide we stop by this what they call a T.V. which I could calculate have a drink for would know who walked in and sat down and this guy come to a private come to him and speak just Lieutenant take a little honey do he's a fun Holroyd I'm with this guy was John whole a movie.

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Well the movie star asked. So would you and your friend like can we have a drink with me madly and he said sure to get up and went all in but then his they would learn to turn. Did you know did you recognize that a yeah yeah well they told more and she talked of mourning and who told.

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Her she was really prudence and nice she could be. She was pretty are I just gorgeous. So you know what you were that was big deal wasn't yeah yeah very colorful trip and then we would get our oldest go overseas. As a twenty before we win the most well and I think it will be shipped from Congress insist go to the What's a Golden Gate Bridge going to our site.

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There was a say a moment. Yeah that's when the war really hit you right in the face you know so on. Away from home run. Anyway I'm going to most loans and we had our first they got the first time and then we go. And we go ashore to the Navy.

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It was a Navy base that had an ocean going manned by a drink for fifteen serves time has changed. Yeah but there you were did you realize the impact that that bomb was going to have on everything else again but didn't didn't realize what was going to happen but it really saved you from having to go into the invasion of Japan.

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And we were sent to Tacloban late and that's what we'd be here for him because again in you know we came back and. Host when you and I was my first job there was a mess of the work cook going to cook and I was in Georgia kitchen.

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OK I say we sure thirty five hundred meals a day. Wow. We had a about a fourth of people whose And then I think the highest ranking officer was occurring. I don't know which occur a little ago. I don't remember but when most them would have a list of people.

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And so everybody's just waiting waiting to see what's going to happen. Yeah. What were they the that was the part the troops. The ones that would have gone into the invasion for Japan. Yeah that's what everybody was geared up for so it's kind of a names I.V. time no no.

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Wondering what was going to happen here. But you know but this time the war was over. So once we had that victory everybody was happy and ready to go home. Right right. Including you. Help. And that's really good if you have enough points to get sent home at that time or to let you know I'm around for a while.

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I'm sure their first resume. I'm from Michelle flew to him. Personally as in person. And when they close and stored. Close a battalion down. I'm a move to them would tell you in person. I lost which call for right of a full call and the commanding officer will go Robert All right.

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He comin and he says it all just such a little time. He said I'll try to get you the most six town they will make can of Moshe's. The war's over. Yeah. So anyway. He said the job you have is currently it is for them. Concerned. You have authority over current and Ollie's battalion all of those have been notified if anybody tries to.

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Use to my promotion that they don't have on them. So it's not going to work in other words. That's where he said units he will stop and they though they could do nothing but. So anyway. How long did you stay there. When did you actually get out when I would do a good.

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You know the first approach after you and this was the best trauma I am co-writing going before and I was up in Perth and I can go on and I can. He go means a little you hear what should be the club. How did Georgia coast. Ma it's like you got to start it.

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The way it was a good assignment Yeah. And so I enjoyed that and had a good time. Will. So when did they let you go back to the states and you do love one nine hundred forty six. I got back. It took us twenty six days ago in fifteen days to come back and they'll.

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Now did you know had you made up your mind that when you got out you were going back to school. Sure you had a dad. Bill now and in fact when I was in the Philippines. I got a letter from Nebraska. They offered me a job to come back to Nebraska as a beautician he joined.

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And you said no I'm going back there was work right and right now you have the G.I. Bill. So you didn't have to go back. I don't know I went straight through want to get back. Yes went straight through it I couldn't finish in four quarters but I had a lot of layoffs room made five.

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So wasn't so hard to and I couldn't work at Robin company but who knows a week now is a co-op but just as a job to have some pocket money and you know just you know it was a different Georgia Tech you came back to ole you and you were different guy then left to this was a different Jack Seeger you've been around the world you've seen a lot of things.

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I mean love a great only came back to you because you know how to focus didn't yeah yeah. And so you got back into the swing of things on the campus and you were a much bigger school. Lots more. Yeah lots more people come to school. Do you remember that as being a very crowded tongue very crowded lots all you know in fact all don't close village so it would not have had to do with just.

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I got a room at my house sat in them and indicated You had to go quite a ways to get a room then and then. But now I met this guy who is I'm a colonel. And he was going to take me. I think he finished the silver.

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And he he was old I was but he wanted to get the green taken him to remix. And so I knew that line and he had a core and who could tell the nation. We found his room house at Decatur so I had to read right back and forth to school every day.

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And it worked out fine. You know you buckle down got good grades. You know can you remember any of the professors she might have had at that time I remember four more. Yeah and shorter board turn on Shorty or tell you now. CALLOWAY some of the real legends work day.

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Yeah they were already legends. And when you came back. That's when Sideways was there in one nine hundred forty seven he made his appearance on again I was a sideways the little dark whole deal. Yeah. So he was a part of the time you were there. Yeah. Did you go back to football games.

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Yeah I would go to football games and I was it just so you know I would take a date. And boy I was pushing sure. You have time for I wanted to run for a block up. I was just automatically I would do it right with them. Yeah it was a time when football was very very popular in Atlanta.

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The whole city came out for the games didn't like and you dressed up for the games. It was a special time wasn't it. And so we just have a football game you have to go to church. Now. You can't breathe. You can't address it. And I think everything's gotten a lot more casual have yes you have Yeah you would be someone who would be aware of that because you know what it was to be proper Did you enjoy the last year and a.

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If you were at Georgia Tech. It was a good time. Yeah. I just you know I was look good. You took. Tell me about working for Mr Robert you went over to Robert and company did you get to meet Mr Robert. Might have well my boss was chief of the doing.

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Frank good place just by yourself might be a killer move anyway it was a pretty big company at that time. Yeah. In fact it might have been the largest you know landscape engineering company in the country at that time so you were you were working for a pretty big firm.

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You know getting more practical experience again right. You know men. You know good job and I enjoyed it but Mr Braun who had worked for the court with whom I just left him with me. I like I just like working board. He was more of a mentor. You know you know so that's why you turned down the Robert offer and went with Bryce right.

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Yeah and they got you out of Atlanta and you. Yeah. When you know moved up moved along as they say you know you know that first job you were well prepared for it because you had co-op you were mature experienced. So you launched your career. Well. I was in pipe will pipe has to ring.

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And at one time I knew every piece of pipe in a paper mill and. What was in it. And the specifications for the the valves the pipe the straight news I mean you know when I had the pumps there was like. So all that was good learning for you.

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He loved your. Is a paper mill is really a real chemical plant right. So was a lot of background for you. So you stay with JR serene for a good while here from. I actually worked at least from the thirtieth night scene for seven. What worked for two days here and US A woman told June of two fifty two to you and then you take you made a decision to move and where did you go which came to show Mr Brandon his son had a story by an association.

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I don't think I mean arrest me go and talk to them. And they often Leo. A partnership in the firm and that was a pretty good deal because you were still pretty young fellow. Yeah. And I went to Rome from Maine. I stayed there for ten months supposedly on Google Earth just to cook puter time but once you got there they needed Yeah yeah.

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In fact I had to **** it and I would just do one protect the job and I kept that job on the do another job and I thought they won't give me the rest of my life and them. I Phone is told of the term. I want to go back to show up and so they transferred you that him and I came back to Charlotte.

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And not long after that was Mr Bunn has had health problems and so he's. He had to quit. And he didn't want to be a burden on nurse. He used to just we just saw the poor ship ways around him. Go much as a Ranger can go right to open government.

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Industrial piping to pluck and have a fabrication of vision. And they had just gotten out of favor and just got a big go from Pipeline. To Fred kitchen pipe. And then leaving but you had to detail but when you did. So they comb me and asked me if I would come of them work for three weeks.

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They pay whatever I use for them. I don't want to do it for them. Well they would let me go in three weeks so I stayed there. Seventeen years and just imagine prudent and it was all good preparation for you to start your own company and you know you had upper management experience was one thing that I thought was kind of fun and I was only one I didn't just but I had a call.

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She agreed and I probably knew all the fight and I still want to play with the microphone. I forgot it was there I was all in the water cause agree and probably more but piped in then anybody there ended by them and them. But when they had a problem with the way it's really but I think so.

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I'm going to resent it. Maybe so. So I just want to set a few others not to waste places. So I call Mr Moon home and then he would came by as he moved more and had to him. I want to be him be the first to know.

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Never leave him. I'm just tired of the oldest just too much politics going on how much time. He said when it won't give me a couple rugby things straight. No he came back in forty five minutes and sort of from no nobody to tell you what I don't tell you what to do there when really a stupid juicers don't they would do.

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Nobody. And so you know you both so you stayed in he's from no you get the same Christmas bonus that I get to look at and term his sons. They only come. My goodness they really gave you like at the time of like my twenty's and I was real and that Christmas which was but two months later I got a thirty thousand.

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Well that worked out really well. Didn't that bad right. Indeed but eventually you wanted to start your own company. That's right and that was what your did you actually began just go sixty nine sixty nine. Now did you go out and find some people that you thought would be good to work for you do.

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Stablish the company or how do you begin something like that. That's your own business. Well when this first order as a cover broker. I would get jobs. OK People give me Joe I would design the tanks and make the joints and it was a person that had to be you know.

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Media Fumiko and whatnot. I could do that I had and have professional engineer and so I had different. I believe in different locations looked around so you subcontracted the work out once you had it all together right. And that's the way this company was put together. You know.

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And after about a year or two you. One good one. Come to her but I've had about five minutes with the work of putting them and her father what he was trying to do is going to work to the customer and try to get directors of them. And so going through you going to me.

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So that's when I decided a bit strong but she had brought up by yourself you know and so I did him I was you know quite successful for nineteen years and when I sold it. You know I got it pretty good for two good tonight three years and he's just been in one like a drunk seal and the way he messed up what you had done so well yeah he'll anyway he went back working five years and I had a good in the Cuban from last year on the bills one zero zero zero so that directly affected you that I am.

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And so I've got to deliver least get a good lease and so it's fine. Yeah yeah. Tell me about Sarah. Where did you meet Sarah Sarah. OK Well more of an industrial park and I was need to address me and she was she did she was a draftsman.

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Wow That's interesting. And so she called that I had a paper in Pico of them but that must mean a door that come on it and the moment six thirty A.M. and I'm one of you go in there were sixty. So you know she came up on a clock and took a little more civilized time and.

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She told. Community told me that I was once need to talk to her she came up to the shop in my office and. She won more money than with your will and your will to go and so anyway I met on Twitter you know put it in a store data and so you didn't hire her.

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Then they would you know could afford or most moon and tried our hardest because we couldn't afford you had to me or your interest at home. Yeah. Dear. So how long did you court her and mend it but six eight months. You were fast worker and how many years.

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Were you married. The mother of forty years when she died two years ago forty years ago. You did the right thing. Yeah yeah. You picked the right one out and you have one daughter and her name is Susan Susan Wright and tell me what careers those in pursued.

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Well Susan went to you in chiefly. Two years in which both university for three and got degree in theater. She's a performer and her till she got a degree in theater I don't want to go I want to I really want to go to go to check the course he did but she would not be a performer but a director.

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She would actually reducing and come. And she's what do your core work. Look up Rio's And that's you got them all from books from Catholic University in Washington to be in charge of the number two theatre and so she in it. Morn Catholic. You got a master's degree in theater got the university.

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Wow that's impressive when. When she finishes it. She came home and so sister has been diagnosed with them cast a little softness and so. She is that she would go into one back to work anywhere close lose them. Relief but heal and so after I'm done I will choose to do that and show rolls around and ashy is his own business selling Chuck to products.

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Sure I've heard that before. Yeah yeah she's not that into a business that yeah she connected with Peter and you know you know work through them. Never did didn't do you know them through them but she has that education. You know she's just she's produced more really has done really well in fact they're well on the way.

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Now then to lose. Now to a shock to meeting the check just as a new owner just pushed the boat out sharply and he's by the token to dilute so I tween seven and eight thirty and so she's going on there that she and him for him and they all go drop back from Atlanta from from Duluth here and then while we're going we're driving back the other way.

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Tonight to stop by the rainbow castle or She'll be coming back in the middle of the night no doubt so when that's going to just close around where you are then. Yeah it's taps with you and everything's Yeah. And she came by here this morning and she was about five pounds a week.

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Wow that's a lot to it at least once every day. Well that's all that she has worked in well ten minutes waiting. So you're blessed with that. Yeah awesome. Well you've had a pretty good run. Haven't you. Yeah it's been a great story. You stay very connected with Georgia Tech.

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Yeah we stay in touch with you you stay in touch with us and been very generous towards Georgia Tech and I want to say how much we appreciate that. We're glad that you turned into a ramble on right. Sounds like you were meant to be a rambling wreck from the get go from the very get go and take a big good and make.

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Just like Babel which is a pain. So it's a mutual admiration society is not what they say. I magine I'm I'm talking to a man who met Lana Turner That's the funny part is a little of your life. And yet it's so funny. Well thank you so very much for letting us come and visit with you today.

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It's been a pleasure listening to your story your forgetter work pretty good today. Didn't it work for the positive you remembered a lot. Yeah I hope you enjoyed it. We enjoyed being with I did enjoy it. Good thank you so much. Hilary rulers. But I'm glad you think so.

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All right we're going to take I just let you get your write off. And then you begin to try to mark me out.