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>> This is a living history interview with Leanne Hartman class of 1954 conducted by Marilyn summers on August 7th the year 2002 we are at his home in Kansas are Georgia and the subject of the interview today his life in general and experiences at Georgia Tech Mr Hartman thank you so much for sharing with us this morning we're delighted to be here and we're looking forward to hearing your story it's my pleasure Tell me please where were you born in Fort Payne Alabama Alabama where is or how far away it's about.

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10 miles over the last. So it's out of Georgia bearly out barely Alabama sent over Sand Mountain Alabama you know worse than mountain and what year was that $32.00 I'm keen to know what were your folks doing their dad had a farm and. We lived on the farm until.

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For the 4th grader came back to the move to try and Georgia which is up in northwest Georgia so your father's family had been from that area and he was my mother's family was and their family area Ok so they was a family farm something that had been in yes in this part of the my grandfather's farm and had your dad been a farmer all his life.

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Yes he grew up he was pretty keen on our farm and then but he was. He is he had done a lot of things and did a lot of things during his life different that was just one state yes one is now growing up on a farm in a remote place so I was pretty idealistic Was it a real nice place to be growing up yes I had a wonderful time I live my life my grandfather and this is right down the road I had a good time with him we had a we had a great life so it was a very nice time even though the depression was going on and we did know that I was young you were protected from me and you always had plenty to eat so I didn't bother you one way or another right what about schooling in a small area like it did to him right there.

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As I remember it it was just the school it is it was when I went came back to the little town of trying Ga so school was school and how did you take to school. I enjoyed the fellowship of it that is so I was a very mediocre student and never they were all that interested I wasn't into it that much but you did what you did like the social and going to school did you have brothers sisters I have a younger brother Ok so you were studying the marks for everything were you interested in athletics in the early.

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We didn't know exactly what it was we could race and we could throw rocks and we could do all of those things and I was pretty good at all that little bit just from the wire here is. What prompted the move to try and. Get a job with a regal textile as a.

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It was a big meal there and try Georgia on they basically own the town so he went to work for Regal and stayed there for a long long time which was an interesting shift from farmer to industrial really textile industry was industrializing and right in he was doing so you don't know he was in the he was in the plant became a foreman in the plant so he was involved in industrial I think the culture shock right only moved away from the family farm so we moved into an apartment in a real city.

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And Tran right across the street from the hospital it was a national town Well I'm not sure whether it was the torch it's it's in north west Georgia in the Rossville. Over towards Chattanooga come down about 25 miles an hour in trying to close to the l. A Fayette is 12 miles north of trying to say get it.

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Ok so you continue your idea like growing up time is still small town in a small town meeting the Regal textile took care of their people very well provided a place to live and all that so yes it was it was still Ideally it was a very good school because it was the they put money in it the textile people.

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And so when it was signed your discuss the letter and the town were you more interested in the schools you got a little older are not really not going to really do skills and want to really apply you know Ok now what kind of system was it in Georgia at that time did you go to a junior high or middle I went and I went to the not 11th grade system on learning grid system which was somewhat of a disadvantage right because it was the time you got into high school upper grades from 8 through 11 where were you at what school was that.

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I went to I moved to Lafayette they had moved to La Fayette when I was in the right after the 9th greatness Ok so for I want to go I want to hear someone say it and by this time you were introduced for most sports speak I was just I was a 13 year old black and back.

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And trying Ga and they loved me they thought I was great even if they were to your all right superstar when you got up to the big city Woods let's say it was bigger than try and did you do equally well there again for your competition yeah I was I was basically outstanding in that league Ok so now comes the big question what were you doing academically still mediocre still mediocre thinking about going to college or.

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Not it's that point you know the. So what happened to change. Well when you when you get to the 11th grade and Lafayette and you start thinking about. Going out or going out to go to work or to the go to Regal textile to go to work like my father did and I decided it was not for me I better get a little better opportunity so.

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I ended up going to Baylor to get to 12th year which which enabled me to get into Georgia Tech that was not the reason I did it but it ended up that it ended up happening is that was the one comment for youngsters to go to but it was it was like a finishing school Yes Not exactly but an active.

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Academy than the military and was in the. Military and it was also discipline and structure. Maybe you learned how to get your head you had to study a bit more regular to get back what you're doing and willing to pay for you to do. You know your idea because you know when the paperwork he was he was willing to pay for it so that was a lucky break.

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And did you do much better academically. Better than I had done in high school but still not not real good but it was it was enough. For me How did you want to come into the picture. Well after the senior year it Baylor the coach this guy named humpy Haywood who was a legendary coach at Baylor he called me in one day and said that you were.

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Are a good athlete you can probably get a scholarship anywhere you want to go but I think you want to go to Georgia Tech Well that was the end of that I was going to Georgia Tech he was what you call here is very very. What did you know tech at that point.

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Very little except that I knew that people and people talk about tech but they showed respect the tech people usually did well and you had a better opportunity than most college graduate to if you came from Georgia Tech so that was enough for sounded like to me it was a good idea what about Bobby Darin and you heard about what.

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I had no met him one time when somebody one of the guys from Lafitte took me down there and he simply stuck his head out the door and spoke to me but I knew very little about him but how Monday the legacy of the team. Were you familiar with the rambling wreck Yes you know in the field had more of an appeal than indeed the other schools did you had some classmates.

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Were. Also standing there. And as luck would have it was a convergence of. The entire back feel that I was in that had Baylor came to Georgia Tech your entire back feel this isn't usually the most unusual and the the said the coach he would was a legendary and his teams usually didn't didn't lose a game we.

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We lost 2 games fortunately I didn't play any role in that because they wouldn't let me I was a post-graduate. But we lost 2 games so we were the worst team we had ever had and and 13 of us went to major colleges on football scholarship. But worse to me or to me.

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So the advantage is that you know these guys you will be playing very well you know we're all good and what was it like to come to college. You remember. I was exploring the city of Atlanta and have a good time and I got a note one day is said being coach dad's office at 4 o'clock that afternoon.

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When you got note for coach died that scared to death and I got there 4 o'clock and in his own way he sees you down and he started talking and he told me what is good athlete what I make that said you can make a nice name for yourself here you can do all of these kinds of things he goes through it just very very nice and into it with but you've got to go to class and to the conversation I said Yes sir and left the other where it's up to you know whether you get sober and I was just that was his method it was as simple as you can put it.

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It was always nice obviously serious that. Made absolutely you know. I did not explore that Atlanta as much. Class and what do you think of the academically pair for. I got back I don't know that I was really all that well prepared for it but I wasn't a dummy I got things done for the year at Baylor Yeah I had then but that I probably would've been lost I wouldn't have been too young too it gave me a little bit more to work with what the majority.

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The whole athletic Dhamma Dorie that time it was the cloud and you had none which remain. Dickon mine Ok so you would differ on this Bob. You came to attack in 1950 right spring to summer training to have summer training in an arc and you just came from was started with the promise that you were going to play.

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Well I knew I was going to play out in those they didn't promise me anything but that's what you're. In my and you guys were good I mean there was no question. We had an exceptional freshman team. And as has the 19 when you move it into the next year about our freshman team I think there were 11 of us that started the following year so that's pretty if it was yeah it was just a reasonable yourself in the papers Yeah I like that.

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You're one of the hot shots that make you popular guys who are in the in the we we were in the Talmud Torah we were pretty well confined actually we talked ourselves and this is basically that police and they are and maybe we have a good way to have each other have our great knowledge stuff but we had a good time and most of the most of the guys were.

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As and as I was with understanding we we went to class we had to we had to get the job done are there take some of that away from and so we did we didn't want that to happen so you had a taste of the big and you don't want to.

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Talk during this with the scheduling. Like after you after the 1st when you're really going to bring your team. Well if you want you you want to class just like everybody else it was you didn't get into breaks there and then you went directly to to the football field and and.

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Of course we didn't know that was hard work we thought it was fun it was that was a bad job out of the travel travels as a freshman you don't then travel very much and have to go. Away. Most of us are not in my case I had not been many places so I enjoyed the travel Yeah you had to have a good time I was so happy I thought this was great this is something new and exciting did you get to meet a lot of interesting people.

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And I was there with you the rest of the team. For the back feel I got to meet Marilyn Monroe personal things like Did you really get the best tell you Well she was she was there we didn't really know who she was at the time and that she came to the came to Georgia Tech I've seen pictures and teased but I didn't know she had to go see her unless my memory is bad I never ever.

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So. With Coach up coach and I had he had a way of dropping then something that was make you. Pay attention you would have a little laugh about it you have some fun. We. The entire team that we came in the freshman team that we came in was the guy was all about to take a play they didn't they weren't scared about anything so we just had a good time with it if we went right on into sophomores and most of us started the sophomores and we still were having a good time.

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We were winning ever but it was less than a civil Well we thought that was just the way it was supposed to be so that your confidence level was very very we didn't we didn't think anybody could beat us and you got used to seeing your name in the paper you were the biggest show in town and it's not a question of whether but we were the only game in town then the stands were full was not fun to play Yeah I knew and that's because everybody recognized you when you walked on the campus on down the street Atlanta.

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We just we we had a nice life we had it going you know we talked about the team. Was the only guys that played that winning team it was the 2nd string that was the team that was the coaches that was the it was the trainers that really the.

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It was a really convergence of all kinds of talents coming together you really don't at that age think about what its 2nd team 3rd team or what it did as assistant just just part of us and you and everybody goes in groups and all that kind of thing so it's it's it's a lot of togetherness you trust Think about it almost a brother yeah yeah.

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And the big daddy of it all is coach the soldier died very very kindly but you wouldn't want to let him down when he says be in the north star be on the West stands or whatever it so it's 2 o'clock you know something is important and you're scared.

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Mostly because you didn't want to let me down you don't even know if you know that that's what he's there for he's there to tell you we're going to be something special. You know don't let us down and. You know. Most of them came in new Frank brawls for instance came in and he took over the off chance the year that I became a sophomore and and was probably the guy that decided I was going to start is supposed to one of the other guys.

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A lot of them came in and you couldn't focus that I had a bad season our freshman year and when we all had to play freshman football then so he brought in several new coaches and very good coaches who later became coaches elsewhere. So we had we probably had as good a coaching as much coaching as we needed and as good a coaching as we need to.

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Be rounded to it's really knowing and making the break. Now and say I don't need it if he did bring in. The coaches he said we've made a mistake here and we need some help and he brought in what he thought would help and obviously he was right he recognized talent you know respect.

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Their talent. What about the trainer but luck was always available to you if you if you had a problem wish so we're here up a sore ankle and occasionally he would let me get by with it not being that it was not quite a so whereas I made it out that kept me out of practice some time occasionally let me get that out of that but he was pretty tough long as you didn't tape those ankles coaches knew about it then you got in trouble but was a nice nice person a strong willed person and what would be the advantages to take that protect and in practice to the old days you take the new course so you didn't turn when to protect it was a protection method and most of us hated to do that because it was.

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It is a running back you felt you couldn't cut as well or do the things you wanted to with with the tape on there and and so we all thought that it was due to our own good as it was for us yeah. The Sometimes taking the medicine is a little bit of a let me know how we do it in school.

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Yeah I guess I got banged screwed when I said I wasn't a dummy but I just didn't know I was just I was interested in is making sure I got I got by that he get. I didn't get me bad grades did you play in the other sports.

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Like baseball maybe. Coast to Coast mind. You know although we did I did a I did play in the. Spring practice game for some reason he he said that I should play there as well I was playing baseball but no I love baseball I always thought that was my best sport but this is.

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Well a lot of it Baylor up played. Shortstop I played 2nd base when I used to be a kid in high school I played with the old regal textile the textile league that they used to hire baseball players to. And I would when I was a player there yeah so.

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It's very rewarding but. It wasn't your claim to say. Well you know I think. It was. Some of the scouts came and wanted me to come down to their their camp so I was in high school. But if you go college. And you and Duke wanted me to come they offered me a scholarship to come to do you play baseball.

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And because they were taking was not really of baseball power in those days. But what I thoroughly enjoyed this race problem and. Football was just something I had done most of my life so I enjoyed that to. Your down trodden way you're pretty much like you make you know.

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He didn't know the 1st thing about football and had no interest in it. And. The funniest thing that ever happened is that. My friend told the story dad but and dad was sitting in the stands and we were playing this dolphin as a high school game and this guy and front of him got on my case and finally said like you know you do it football he dad didn't know whether but a football game he said break the little so and so was leg and with that they said that reached down and picked him up and said That's my son said.

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The guy didn't say another word. But he had no idea what you know what do you people do that you can't just play Yeah yeah he came he was ever get. In the hole and the best story there was that he and Mother and Dad were coming down the highway and he was he was running a little late so he started speeding and the state Coleman pulled him over and said as you know they normally do what.

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You know where you know where your number is boy he said I'm trying to get to Georgia Tech to see my son. The trauma said Who's your son he said Leon Hartman he said follow me turned on I took a knock to the players again. And got out.

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And they were just they didn't know what happened. But he did a patrol a patrol when he knew who I was the took him right to the gate. And I thought that was a wonderful mentor you're still there I wonder dory I think you're dead real fan. Yes.

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He was impressed with that more than my football. And you really enjoy playing you really had it we had a wonderful team and in the Spirit said it we were winners and we we knew we could win and we expected to learn and that's that takes off a lot of the pressure on you the coaches also don't stay on you as much.

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It was it was just a great time for the majority of us even the guys it didn't get to play as much they were part of it and they were proud of. What was the blow. Well and most of it is 1st time we've ever been to Miami or to New Orleans and.

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We had a good time in the we won all of our games. And I guess my junior year I was the most valuable player in the Sugar Bowl and so what we had I had a good bowl experience. On you know what's great in coach not let he gave you a little freedom.

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If you didn't over if you don't over do it to get we had a little more fun yes it was almost you take one small drink is all you could have he said so that meant you could have to. Go to the point b You said he understood it was to be exciting experience and it was a reward for us to go to the bowl game a lot of people treat it like it's a war even if it should be that the kids get to get to have some fun that this is a reward they get and we we sometimes it's a lot absolutely.

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He was he had he had been through the whole thing he understood the program and he I think did just their best to make us understand. What was what was happening and how much we would appreciate it sometime in the future and if we became coaches or whatever our business leaders that we would we would try to use some of that to you know he realized he was mentoring so I don't think there's any doubt about that he was he was he was in charge he understood the program you understood it because at the time that you were playing and playing so well did you think about Go Pro.

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Well I think everybody thinks about it and then there's you get the as you mature you start. See and what what it actually isn't and in my day it was not anything that a Georgia Tech graduate ought to do in my judgment at that time it was no money involved in it and there was no.

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There was no future involved in it that we could see at that time and I had the choice of staying in school graduating in Georgia Tech in the fall are going to play with the Baltimore Colts Well that was an easy. Decision I made as I stayed in graduated in December and went in service in January so it didn't really mean for you of no question about it see somewhere along the line of last couple years you met your for that says I met Susan high school you met her in high school so she was with you for the whole ride you know not exactly but.

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Totally started her night. Of a friend of hers brought her to Lafayette and her her friend dated a friend of mine so you know how that works we met at the swimming pool in Lafayette. Then she went to her skin college over in South Carolina I went to Georgia Tech and we did we we had a few letters but we didn't see each other all during that time in the scene my junior year we got somehow got together and got married my senior year.

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So so she was there for the last couple the last Georgia Tech and the phenomenon of a junior getting married on the football team was extraordinary by today's standards but at that time quite a few of the team whether it was a few of the Georgia Tech people were married in and they did well.

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As. Indicated d.h. one of them that in the fact that he had the power to take their scholarship part was to take him also a football team if they did not continue to perform well I don't know if that was all conversation or not but it was enough to scare you that you did you have to go ask how Yes you had help from me had to have written permission to coach Di I have a letter from him that says that he has given me permission to marry and that he has the if he thinks that I do not perform as well that he can take my scholarship.

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I believe that I certainly could well yes. You know so that was the last of pressure. So why did you leave act there in the apartments just. South of a football stadium the old the old tech would apartments they weren't as bad in those days they. They were there we had a lottery so yeah we had a lot of tech students in the tech apartments at that point so it was a little Mary community most average most of the football players were in within 2 or 3 units of one another so when.

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They come out of between because it was kind of the same so close allies together in addition to go to school together. So it turned out to be a fun time. And I think most people who were there with us during that period of time I think they would describe it as a as a very fun time and and a very.

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At a time that they really grew up so that they understood what was happening. But we had a good time now like all the others you were in the program already on the air. And so as you approach graduation in December 54 you knew you were going to spend time with Uncle Sam right what was the plan I was a good workout.

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Well if I was married at that time and had one child you can tell that so your your oldest son was already born he was born when you lived a template I know my. Well. My oldest daughter. Was we had lost before then she lost her when she was very young.

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And so while you were still in school you had to go through was like. Wow you know that David David game he was born in in Germany when we Susan and I went to Germany and we were he was born in Heidelberg Germany and he had children we got back he had a I had had a year to decide what he wanted to be a German citizen or the u.s. it's a well course every time he got mad at us he said he was going to be a German so we went through that but.

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Yes you when you got to come you got a commission I presume yesterday out to sea and you were shipped right up to Germany. I went to Fort Bliss Texas. And we take your basic training there 66 months and then you get 18 months and I get 18 months in Germany of you you're committed to 24 months 2 years and our g.c. What was your area.

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And the aircraft artillery army and. A pretty good job well you know it turned out it turned out real nice and that as I said I reported it and then the story the German the general was certain of his desk and he started asking questions and he was writing and he had down and I was answering his questions and and then suddenly the the room starts people start coming in and he still asked when I was standing looks up and he said what was going on and the sergeant said you don't know who this guy has.

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Said no one and they told him and immediately I'm shipped off to the coaching football team I did but 2 years of American players and so when the guy the coach the coach from Oklahoma was there. To do a seminar I guess with a team I went straight to that coach for 2 years we went to in fact we went to the semifinals of the European playoffs so I had had to get 2 good years of coaching but out but I learned I did not want to coach when I got was a great but I had a good well cared for your family with well cared for.

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You learned you didn't want to be a fuck right career Rather very. Right it kept icing amuck. Once you were discharged from the u.s. service after 2 years what happened like this is me. I came came back to. Actually to Georgia Tech Dean grip and. Told me to come back and see him and he had he had a job for me it was a little too good he was he he had one with one of the Textile firms and I said well that's not bad South Carolina he said No you'll have to you'll have to start in New York and I said thank you very much Dean I think that's not for me so.

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I didn't know I had no interest in and working in New York so my good friend Billy tea's a great running back with me one in the 52 era he was working with an advertising firm at that time and he called me and said come come on over and probably you'd probably get a job here so it sounded good to me I went over and got a job and went to work up in north Georgia selling in.

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Advertising about it just really I mean I don't know it can. Be like for me like a present like. I can you know I keep remembering the name of the company so far back but but we sold just about anything that you wanted to put your name on a ads and.

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What about my wife this was from Cedar town so we bought a little house in cedar to answer so I was traveling all up in north Georgia a little house and see her town we were remodeling it and getting it ready to move into the. And I got a call from.

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Whitey Urban who was one of the George Tech coaches. Told me to come down he had a guy he wanted us to meet a friend of the us so I came down to meet a friend of his he was with a lens or know and he wanted to hire me so he also made more money in the Alamo bill so it was not hard not a hard decision to make so we moved we sold our house in Cedartown and we moved to Atlanta before you would have time.

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To get out and went to work with the ones along the way selling that interest that was very served if it's out of the blue you had no idea any desire to work for Glasgow. And that is you know just I knew I knew Coach Urban. I didn't you know I wouldn't question his decision needs to step that something here that's probably good for us and if it was good for me every turned out to extremely well and he he he was a friend of the guy that that hired me you told me earlier we were talking right the get go you let them know you saw there.

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I had the little boy was his headquarter didn't know how and when I became a sales manager and then I became a general manager I started b. and you need to go to 0 how the home office and work a while knowledge kind of business or areas early on is when I realized that was going to happen I said to him that.

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I and my intended have my children in Atlanta and to have them grow up in Atlanta and if that's a problem let's have it now and not 8 or 10 years down the road so fortunately I got away with that I somehow don't I don't know what happened but I didn't have to go to Ohio I moved one time to Cleveland Cleveland Tennessee to move to build a plant and I spent 3 years there building the plant get it started and came back to Atlanta and that was the only time I left Atlanta so the house had been as much I was I was staying here so I was southeast general manager of fast president general manager and had a.

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Wonderful career it was a good company you work for yes very very wonderful retirement programs 30 years and 55 and if you were 55 years old had 30 years of service you were golden So 55 I retired. Pretty interesting thing to come out of the. Career whole career came right out of the in this was you got to be an excellent company is it in you did you learn the whole process.

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Really I was in and I was not really in the glass Division I was in the car get to division paper division and so we did on management training and we went through the entire process that I had. I was never in the class division itself so I never never it was involved in that process would you think back on it.

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This opportunity are you well prepared I just my point of the village. Well you know obviously the start of it was that I was Leon Hartman the football player at Georgia Tech and this guy. He liked that I'd kind of the idea of me working for him he was a good deal selling it also it all a lot of his customers like that so it opened it opens that door and then you get involved in it and you either it's either something you love you enjoy or you are you want to do.

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I don't guess the 10 or 15 years later they're interested in who Leon Hardman is but but it in my case I got involved and got involved in the Remoting process and I had a great career and can really complain about anything so Georgia Tech opened the door to be there they opened it.

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Well it's not personal in nature why the urban colored man telling me to come visit with this guy. So yes Georgia Tech is just about responsible any way you cut it off for the all the moves that I made. Tell me about you know. Well I have. 3 actually marvelous boys they're all that a good life and they're they've doing well.

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For that 6 perennial they've is the oldest and Richard is now he's the only one that. He gets close to get married then you backs away from him he hasn't made it yet he's the middle one and Matthew as is married he has 2 kids and how much of this data for now even went to the store today David did go to Georgia Tech I sent him there he wanted to go all of the evidence I think that was a bit forth yes no I did not and we were in we were in Cleveland Tennessee at the time it was when I was building the plant up there and so.

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It would have been he would have been up there in the early sixty's he were in Georgia Tech in the early seventy's Ok now we're in the the boys actually David was a good high school athlete he was not he would not have been good enough to play it at Georgia Tech and he was going there you know and he didn't he didn't go out for the so he did but I think.

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It's like he went to get the degree there and they're all athletic but they're not so they're not greatness players and he once once sense what it is you know straight. He he he came through he got an engineering degree from industrial engineering from Georgia Tech and he says he is now an industrial engineer Ok and what is Richard Richard is a locksmith how.

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People are how many I don't know I have and he put came in told me he was going to become a locksmith I said good luck out in. That. And Matthew is with you p.s. he's been he started with the u.p.s. when he was 18 I guess it was so he says he can retire at 53.

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But. Another solid company with us so the boys really young pretty wonderful there they're there within a few miles and and we see a lot of kids are. Typical kids they're good buds Yes you're lucky yeah great I am really great. And interesting thing about this wonderful team for if you check even even the ones that are is that you will touch over the years see them time to time very much so so the commodity is still there after all these years can you believe 50 years of surprise when we can we can you believe that all 1st of all so much luck it's no fun to talk about it when we meet so we have to figure out something else to talk about so we can tell our stories all about how how wonderful we were and what we've.

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That great run that I remember back you know one of those kind of things we have a good time with that but the the entire group generally show up if we say we're going to have a meeting or whatever because everybody show it it's it's a wonderful group we've we've just had and.

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We've kept in touch just about all the years and with everybody and that is really unusual it is a very unusual in today's world you mean there's been other great teams but people just don't do that you know they get off and we're such a vulgar world now they're all over everywhere and everybody comes together everybody comes together it's interesting to nominate this and we had we were doing that every year and then we dropped it down to 3 years I guess it was now it's 5 years that we were having that that era we had to get together and it was amazing how just about everybody showed up last year you celebrated the orange on his go 50 year and there was a great turn I had good we had a good one and including Firman this year he thinks he's he believes he's part of it always made a better rapper and here we go now and again then another 57 verse for you know me well you know again what do you think was your greatest experience with that.

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Do you remember having a particularly. Well we have a real good gosh I had a bunch of say and I can tell you that the one thing that that really amazed me though is that and 5052 I was nice. Junior year I was emotional able player in the Sugar Bowl we went back to the Sugar Bowl the following year well back and there was you would tell him that.

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I was getting ready to go out in bulk said Let me see that. But he was he really did the tape so I'm late coming out on the field everybody is out there and and I come out and run across to feel and the dead lame this noise you've ever heard I mean this I couldn't even know what was happening you know you know you're trying to figure out what happened and suddenly realize it's just their body in the stands and Sugar Bowl was standing up and yelling for me because I was running across you about myself had a standing o. And you know man I laid back and gave it to her with treatment at that point.

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Was it was staggering to the imagination I didn't know I thought something horrible It happened when the roar went up. On play and. They all accused me of planning it after throw it out that I was late coming out on the field but it really was Buck's fault.

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And it was only always remember but that was that was a great time after I realized what was going on to get and getting from the one side of the field of the other I had a good. One way and everyone else others before we all know but the wonderful you know they had it and they had a following day in the.

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Newspaper they had a 2 page years I guess it was it showed a run that I made that. They said that everybody on the other team had at least one shot at me and they showed this they had the arms know all these kinds of things and I went about 60 yards or so for a touchdown but I went this way and that way you know I'm back around the field and I'd run into my own players and run their plays with just knocking over each other down but but yes that was probably everybody looked at it and said that's probably the.

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Most but not more run I've ever made and working with that it was a Georgia game as a matter of fact come at it right Arafat 1st and Iran Iran under. The Georgia coach. When he was playing it all over and he came out he was a he the defensive side back and he came up and the thing on the the picture the next day showed that he went right over me went right over my head.

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And you kept occupied picture I showed it to him several times well that story well we have to say that football provided you with a rich memory no question and rich treasure a friend. That. Today this is irresponsible for my basic good for my career. And all the love and support that you needed with bringing your family up and.

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Pretty charmed life when just say. I think so I've had a good one and your daddy lived a long time and got to see how that yes just loving call football paid. You nothing about it in 91 when he died he knew nothing about it but all 15 knew.

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And it was a good thing for all of us from all of us who were here tech tradition of football. Are you as a wonderful player thank you for taking time to share with us today it's been such a pleasure to know you. Have pleasure.