For those of you who have just arrived for the last day and a half. We've been holding some internal discussions about U.S. South Korean nuclear energy cooperation but those you'd don't have don't know how in March two thousand and fourteen the United States is due to make a decision about renewing the cooperation agreement that we have with South Korea as we do with many other countries and as part of these agreements are a number of conditions that were negotiated early on in the seventy's and there has been a lot of water under the bridge there have been a lot of changes in the global nuclear landscape Have there been changes in U.S. South Korean relations that the new technologies new threats in the emergence of a priority consideration of nonpolluting for non deliberation in global nuclear security for the global community in particular for the United States there are obviously new and new economic trends there new energy sources that if you hit the scene. Most recently with shale gas and shale oil that are cutting into the market share. There's obviously the nuclear accident in Fukushima. And so there's been a lot of changes going on and there's a very dynamic landscape in addition with respect to the U.S. South Korean relationship in many respects as some of our colleagues articulating today but really couldn't be here at a higher point in terms of the overall political economic relationship. However as South Korea is increasingly becoming reliant in some cases on nuclear energy and seeing their role as a prominent exploit exporter across a nuclear fuel cycle or at least the many stages of the fuel cycle. There are interested in in changing some of the two. That arrangement and so this is become a a hot button issue increasingly hot button issue especially during times of political transition and only United States South Korea but also within and across northeast Asia so these are very heady times. This is a very delicate issue. And so we spent the last day and a half trying to dissect the issue. Look at specifically the technologically dimensions to it. The economic dimensions of the political and strategic dimensions situated in the broader bilateral relationship in the context of what's going on in the global nuclear energy landscape and of course in the regional security landscape and so what we wanted to do is use this opportunity for us there to the still some of the high points and some of the low points low points low points in terms of some of the challenges that may be affecting that relationship as it as it matures especially on the nuclear side but also over the course of the last day and a half. We've raised several issues that may be the foundation for developing and broadening and deepening that partnership and so what we've done Mansong and I have asked several of our colleagues from from over the course of the last day and I have to distill some of those main points with respect and challenges and opportunities and so what I'd like to do is invite a number of my colleagues here to stand to come to the podium and speak for about five minutes on those terms and so the first person I'd like to invite is Professor Steven Miller Steve as many of you know it comes from Harvard University is the director of the International Security Program. He has also been very much involved and doing research on the changing landscape if you will of the global nuclear. Energy Arena as well as is a long time scholar of U.S. national and international security policy so Steve and I thank you Adam that's I'm grateful for the opportunity to share some final thoughts with you. My understanding of our mission here is to give a few kind of final thoughts and reaction to the day and a half of very interesting discussions we've had and I want to touch on four issues First a number of our participants have noted along the way over the course of the last day and a half that as a general proposition U.S. relations with South Korea are in very good shape. Several people use that line about the best shape ever and across a whole array of issues. There's a degree of harmony or degree of cooperation or degree of partnership. That is really quite heartening and suggests that the alliance is really quite in robust shape. There is however one issue on which American and South Korean preferences currently collide sharply and that has to do with the desirability in the short run of pursuing the plutonium recycle option. And the question I want to raise here is whether it makes sense as many people suggested in their in their presentations to frame the one two three issue as a strategic test of the alliance as the acid test of the future of our relationship to zero in on the one area where we have a fundamental collision event. Trysts and make that the salient Choice Point for the future of the alliance to me it makes not so much sense to zero in on the one area where we have a fundamental disagreement of interests and my fear would be that framing the issue in that way has the potential to do real harm to what is otherwise a very robust and durable relationship. So that's the first observation I would make a second and one of the touch a little bit on why the United States is strongly opposed to further enrichment and reprocessing on a national scale anywhere in the world as as the Bush quote that I invoked earlier indicated this is a global policy. It has nothing to do with Korea it has nothing to do with doubts about Korea. It has nothing to do with worries about what Korea might do in the future. It has everything to do with nine eleven with American worries about nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction in the hands of bad guys. It has to do with the perception of at least three if not four consecutive American administrations that the number one threat to American security is the potential of nuclear weapons or other W D In the hands of of radical bad guys bad guys coming into stripe States and and non-state actors. So there is today an overwhelming consensus in the United States certainly among the nonproliferation community which I'm a card carrying member that we should do everything we can to inhibit the spread of weapons related technologies in the W M D severe. And for this reason there is a desire to inhibit the spread of enrichment and reprocessing technologies for as. Long as this seems sensible. There are some who are I would say extremists who say we should never do it. There are others who say there's no need or reason to do it now. So let's put it off for as long as possible and that's more or less the approach of the U.S. government in my opinion. President Bush stablished a very clear marker on this as far as I know there is no one in the nonproliferation crowd in the Obama administration that diverges from that general orientation and so the career may see this as a test of the relationship or as a key to its own sense of its nuclear energy future but for Washington the enrichment and reprocessing program has to do with its global strategy for contending with what is regarded and stated in official documents as the number one threat to American security. So those are contending visions and I think that we have to work very hard to kind of manage the collision of those two visions to avoid harming our relationship. So you're going to find real opposition to pursuit of any form. You can call a pyro or processing whatever you want to call it anything that produces usable plutonium you're going to find resistance in the United States and criticism from the United States has nothing to do with worries about Korea has to do with this wider canvas on which we're operating now the third point I want to touch on briefly is so there's a response that says well what about Japan you let Japan do it why can't we have an exception. Just like Japan and here I would make three points One is the Japanese made their fuel cycle decisions basically in the sixty's. So fifty years ago. So everybody was in a different frame of mind after nine eleven. It's a different frame of mind altogether. Personally I have not the slightest doubt that if Japan were in Seoul's position today and making the contemplations that South Korea is currently doing it would meet with very similar reactions from from Washington. The second thing is I can tell you having been part of it that there have been American nonproliferation both official and unofficial streaming to Japan for years telling them that their plutonium recycle policy is both strategically unwise and economically unsound. It's not the case that we have simply accepted this and embraced it and said well the Japanese are a wonderful exception and we're happy about it. The American community is has been critical of the Japanese effort and of course there is a third point which is more of a footnote. But for the perspective of much of the American community they Japanese recycle policy has been an utter disaster fifty years of massive investment which has not gotten them very close to commercialization whatsoever and with lots and lots of problems still persisting in their program. So this is not exactly a model to be held up as something that went well. And then since we're limited to five minutes let me close with the last point that relates to my first given the long time lines associated with the the potential commercial viability of the plutonium fuel cycle is it really necessary to have this fight now and I'll stop there next. Peter and I'm I may add that. For those of you who just arrived this whole workshop is really. Been a product of a partnership with the Korean Institute of inner science and technology and my colleague and partner in arms. Here is Professor Mansour you professor of nuclear engineering and quantum physics at costs are he's going to stand up and give us a couple of points from his perspective as well thank you Adam thank you for staying remaining until the end of this program for those of you complaining because for the last two days and then you guess what come to our discussion. I think this is a very timely and important topic that everybody at least in this community ought to think about seriously as far as talk or you have put it we are living in post American word. Thanks to the hard work of United States of America we spread the Liberal Democrats you know across to countries around the globe and then because of that the world has become better but the rest of the world catch caught up. They picked up and then they are now challenging the United States. I think as he put it in the book to what other trends the global trends. That's coming up in the future rise of the rest will continue. It's not the U.S. dominated world anymore where it didn't used to be two superpowers. But then when the one superpower is gone. There was one only superpower. You know the state but that is going away with the whys of China and then Russia. Kate. And vantage of the energy resources making a comeback for the global stage the rise of nationalism evolution and spread of technology will continue deeper and connected trend of the nations how this trend shape up the future of this globe. I think the issues we're talking about here has something to do with those global trend for the future. What if you know the state is very concerned about what is happening out there in the world we have to think about this question. One of the greatest dangers coming up in the coming years to the United States and to the Globe and potentially there is a clash of values coming up we united state was created under the premise belief that everybody is created equally everybody needs to be treated with dignity. Everybody does. There is peace prosperity. But then that whole notion may go all way to contain trans uprising the rest continues. Certainly the rise of China is making cause in Homs in Africa. I think for the last couple of decades were able to remove both written some of the dictators. So all these dictators couldn't sleep well over night during night when you know the state was having some leverage. But now these leaders are sleeping well because in the Chinese they are helping them providing all these aid without asking any questions I think that spread of whatever you want to do concept. Whatever the leaders want to. Due to people I think it's one of the greatest dangers are facing in the coming years and that threatens the identity of the United States as one wonders how the state government saw the challenges coming in the early days of nuclear politics a moment. The president and I and Howard came up with the idea of atoms for peace in fact the Atoms for Peace was sort of a imperative when this country saw the upcoming commercial race Russia China appearing up and Friends U.K. are gearing up for the spread of this technology repaired or take the lead in this and take control and that's how current the regime is established and that is regime is under threat at this point as these new powers are coming to the game and again. So while we're bogged down with this idea of what you know our discussions or I don't know you can. It's words argument Bush is going to argument is valid in this among countries to have weapons or not whether that will be the really greatest danger is this this globe is going to face. I think we as as I said yesterday the shift. Craig Pearce puts is needed from the mystic energy option to international safety and security imperative for those people working in this community. What would be the best thing to do then in that regard and this you know she is you know quality development. I think the U.S. are OK collaboration in nuclear is not just something about the N.R.A. or whatever industry or just question of interest in interest. I think it could be a catalyst for a global norm. Or it could be a catalyst to lay out. Maybe the reason why each countries want to supply will prosper to defend the fundamental values and assure everybody deserves what they deserve to have so I think I think we should think about this big picture issues. Why are we discussing some of the pairs and I'm actually the one that what I was given this opportunity to organize this workshop my personal interest was not really something about us are OK and companies getting more money and US have more money and I think I see an opportunity for for us to make a contribution to the big picture our stuff. Thank you. And so on the next speaker is Professor Bill Charlton his associate professor of nuclear engineering is also the director of the Nuclear Security Science in the Policy Institute at Texas A and M. And for those of you who were here earlier today I think his remarks made up to a nicely man sums because he he laid out some of the tangible areas of cooperation but that may not be what he's going to talk about now so I'll start by saying the same thing that everyone also said which is that it's relatively obvious to most of us that the U.S. and South Korean relationship is very strong and as was mentioned this morning a lot of those based on the fact that we share common values and those common values result in us having very similar positions in most things in the world but I will good mention what I see is the big challenge here in the bridge challenge as has been sort of discussed is in my opinion the back end of the fuel cycle the enrichment part of the one two three agreement I personally don't think it's really that big of a deal. Enrichment technology. It's a fundamental sense of technology but I don't think economically it really makes all that much sense for South Korea to worry about acquiring enrichment technology economically the back into the fuels like are processing technology is not economic at all that viable either but the problem is that it does provide at least in some people's minds an impact on the public good and one can forego with the economic benefit in order to seek out the interest of the public good and it's difficult for us in the United States to argue with people about the back of the fuel cycle and we have no policy on the back end of our fuel cycle in the U.S. So it's a little hypocritical for us to to argue about it and that's the big challenge just the thing that's going to have to be settled and worked out and I see that as a big disagreement the task to be resolved and I agree that it's probably not the most crucial issue in the world to dissolve but it is one that at least amongst the nuclear community is something that needs to be dealt with in terms of my view of that I think the right way to deal with it is sort of what Amir had mentioned earlier today which is that we have it doesn't necessarily have to be resolved. Right now if you as long as we could come to an agreement that allowed us to cooperate in terms of development. I think that would allow us to postpone really having to to really focus purely on a legal agreement at this point but to allow us to cooperate in terms of development and work together as partners to achieve something that maybe could actually help both of our countries because here in United States we have the same problem with spent nuclear fuel disposal is a major issue for us in our country and maybe together we could come to a fruitful and state in which everybody would benefit from it and I guess I'll stop there. Get most of the points I think of all been made right Bill. The next speaker is he young Lee who is a senior vice president overseas nuclear project development. He is the senior vice president who led the U.A.E. project and for those of you were just arriving one of the hallmarks of developments in this changing energy landscape was the South Korean deal to construct the reactors in this first in this newcomer state in the nuclear energy realm of U.A.E. So he brings to us wealth of information and expertise and was really there at the inception we've been talking a lot about gold standards and. The process U.A.E. is figured a lot of interest discussions but here we have somebody who actually was in the middle of all please thank you. Good to see you. Senior Vice President of kept cool and I'm you Chris Hayes but not the nuclear arms dealer yesterday and to the heard a lot of opinions about the relationship between you and your C R OK and I think the all the discussions we can take great and we view as the result of business. Finally So as I know the important criteria of the season making in the state East whether it is good for the nation of interest or not as I know so I bring some data based on the excellent testimony which then Lehman was the last clearly made the testimony in June before the Congress. So people of my presentation on. Briefly introduce my company tackle the largest estate owned electricity toothy in Korea. We supply the full oil. And we have two hundred seventeen power generation facilities we total capacity of sixty eight kilowatt but our company has fifty per cent of government. It could be the others from foreign investors thirty percent this in two thousand warm. According to the government policy. The generation product has been the best to you from capital. So we have five juncos of power and one for you but they are steel one hundred per cent subsidiary cackle. So for all nuclear sector. We have many subsidiaries including Kate and P.V. for operation kept we design and engineering tapirs maintains and Kenny. For our. Field have occasion. In terms of overseas call projects we are the developer investor is the strategy part. So we operate in three point four to go lots of wind power. We are now constructing a lot of power and five point six kilowatts or you can power in U.A.E.. Also we have you ring in mind capacity of three hundred fifty million tonnes. Coal mine or one point six billion tons. So as I mentioned before our side down really learns testimony about being a relationship between us are OK. U.S.'s first to Korea in new compiler plant since long time ago all us are supposed to have third countries to supply Korean projects especially China and US It's a joint venture of all new fuel we've kept coal. And US imports materials from Korea for A.P. one thousand projects in China or so in the state. Us main culprit in far in the project. So US significant parts are in their investments. So I brought data since the one you knew three and four because for the one three and four we are true of the localized Jason through the technology transfer or so we say that we achieve the technology. So if a technology reliance So says that for your domestic market. The accumulative is above six billion dollars But from now on to maybe two thousand and thirty maybe it will be. Double. Including home and. So in case you really project for a major achievement. We agreed to share user to huff and puff and half from Tucson heavy industry and also from the else. So after the contract to work we serve the business cooperation agreement between kept us to share the domestic market and also overseas possible overseas Newcomb market. So in case of the U.A.E. project summarized and the total we were to be learned dollars but it is it is between the price of services and some vendors. But. In case the owner and were already late to nuclear cooperation. They hire the C.S. to end here as the project management organizer. And also there are many services companies for example at so known in the party room for. So emergency planning and also training so C.S. for you. E. So they are in direct impact. Or U.A.E. project and now we have for all your needs simultaneously. But maybe one more in something. So I put across our part. So it will be. It is just for construction. And if you think about the year since the year operation and maintenance the service amount will be much much higher than this or I cost. In terms of the tax subsidies. I put our in the subsidies for C.T.C. or for two hundred an architect engineering services system engineering and fuel so it says we have one point one billion dollars for subsidies. And also the supply chain is one of the critical issue for the. Sounds in the world. So we have very strong. Supply chain including major achievement and also your P. humans. So for A.P. one thousand projects. Of China and also. We are supplying many different kinds of components. We've high level of quality. Very reasonable price. So if the want to three Agreement released Italy. What kind of impact will be. So I totally cite in the same logic that reminds me of the testimony before the Congress the therapists of coal show nuclear cooperation will be put at risk can put at risk. Ten. Of thousands of American jobs. Yours can be damaged in real life beauty supply parts for example you are you a you could project. The reactor vessel we believe in two thousand and fourteen and two thousand and fifteen or so before delivery. We have to get the support control from the US government. So if the current one to three agreement is to lay there and it really impacts on the construction schedule as you know we have in international Newcomb market. We have very worst case of construction delay. For example in France and China also there are five years delay or two years doing. It. We'll close a lot of money and financing is also very critical issue. So if it is if the want to three months is delayed and if we impact direct. On the present schedule. The reliance of third countries on us. You could come polars tackles Ian So this might reduce and to make success in highly competitive commercial nuclear market Korea can choose other countries for all their partners. Instead or us. So by two thousand and thirty. Catcall. Has a very initial plan. Because for our company we planned two thousand and thirteen overseas visitors sure will be higher. From three per cent piece current three to fifty per cent is total revenue. So we suspect at least ten more he needs in the world market and we need for all services. And the deal with this cost effective for us. We'll be up to twenty billion dollars. So of course with the impact on the job creation. And so call we will be the investment parts are not true. Other countries recognize the. So because capital is the estate company different from. Which tells you so we can be used to the Potters Creech many projects all of us are thinking about so. We will be investor. We will be a piece of contractor and also we operated. So. TEPCO came to be more real to take on the supply. Because as I made sure that we observed the A.B.C. technology. And also we are applying the U.S. and our C. safety. Concept. Licensing is always the exact same we've seen so we are using all the tackles in practice. He said to saying we see and yes. We have to take some responsibility and obligation as a you know we have to technology supply you in consideration of the nuclear leadership in the new world market cap Cooper shoes coexistence and co-prosperity with us. Partners including stones in other fields you go in there isn't services companies through continuous cooperation and relationship and we've contributed to the intrusion of new can market. So based only on a piece is called Precision agreement between tech cool and this tells we really spend we released the mutual cooperation for the domestic nuclear project and Mosul. You know most of you for president. Thank you thank you Mr Lee. Next speaker is Mr Dr Charles Ferguson who is the president of Federation of American Scientists Charles is going to talk a lot about the broad landscape of the nuclear domain and some of the challenges for international cooperation. Thank you Adam and Mansong and all the colleagues for last day and a half the clock is ticking and I don't mean necessarily the end of this workshop which is overall I think a very delightful and lightening. I mean Time is running out for all of us and the world and I want to sound overly dramatic but it is dramatic. We're talking about something. Crucial to all people reliable sources of energy in particular when it comes to nuclear energy reliable sources of electricity reliable and clean and a sense of dissension meeting go. Greenhouse gases for an operating a clear power plant we see demand crossed the world increasing and increasing for fossil fuels that when they're burned really screen house gases in the environment will have dire effects to this quote to humanity Korea is I believe taking a very responsible step and increasing its share of nuclear generate electricity. So right now roughly a third of its electricity is from nuclear power and by twenty thirty it plans for about half of his lectures to be from nuclear power. So it's increasing US dependency on nuclear power and it's doing so because it does want to limit the greenhouse gas emissions into the glow. But it's also doing so because energy security is very important for Korea Korea is one of the most energy poor energy resource poor countries in the world it imports something on order of ninety eight percent of its energy supplies it doesn't really have any of its own fossil fuels. It's hard for Americans to get their minds wrapped around that I grew up in western Pennsylvania and one of my grandfathers is a coal miner now Pennsylvania is known as a place for natural gas specially Shell gas. So it's hard for a Pennsylvania guy like myself to really imagine this but I've traveled around the world been to Korea many times been to places like Japan which have similar concerns. That's why those countries and that part of the world are investing so heavily in nuclear power and this is why it's crucially important the United States to be a partner was. Korea the clocks also ticking on this nuclear cooperation agreement and many of my colleagues have already spoken to that but I want to address a few things that I don't think have come up yet there. Let me just walk you through a timeline over the next roughly ten to twenty years. So two thousand and fourteen. You've heard several times already is the deadline for the renewal of the cooperation agreement we should not left that lapse. I agree with Mr Lee that we have a lot at stake economically we have a lot at stake in terms of our political alliance and teaching alliance. There is another crucial date. We need to keep in mind it has been brought up yet and that's two thousand and sixteen. That's the year. Not too far in the future when many of the pools at the nuclear power plants in the Republic of Korea will be over capacity for storing spent nuclear fuel. What are we going to do about that. I mean we meaning Koreans and Americans working together. Now you have to understand domestic context in Korea. There has been protest violent protest against stop citing even low level intermediate level nuclear waste facilities so imagined the level of protest and citing a high level waste facility or a permanent facility for disposal of this nuclear waste. So it's this is foremost in the minds of Korean politicians. I think Americans just aren't aware of that. So we need to work together to at least keep the door open for all turn the pathways for alleviating pressure on the build up of this waste in Korea. One option is to do a joint project an R. and D. project X. investigating what's known as Pyro processing sounds very very. Nicol but it's an alternative means of trying to reuse the Tony M and other fissionable materials that come out of spent fuel and by doing so what the aim is is to reduce the volume and the ultimate heat load on a repository. So you need less space cost less money. We believe to store this waste over the long term. Now there's a lot of technical details to be worked out so very smartly you know Ambassador park and his predecessor worked out a deal with the US government to do a ten year study to do it. Aren't joint R. and D. study to figure out what or how to address these challenges technical political safeguards non-plussed ration challenges and managing this nuclear waste. So that's another element of the time line that we're facing where the clock's ticking. So we have to reach a renewal within the next year year and a half. We have to at least give assurances to the Korean people that the U.S. is a reliable partner alleviating the nuclear waste problem about we can't solve it by two thousand and sixteen and we have this pending study that's going to show its results at the end of two thousand and twenty beginning of two thousand and twenty one but that's not the end of the story because if the power processing approach or something like it is worthwhile worth pursuing. It's going to take many decades beyond that to really put in place that that type of solution. So we're talking about a long term partnership here we're talking about something that's going to last for decades if not centuries to come if you think about the life of a nuclear power plant you have to think on a scale of one hundred years for that plant so that reactor and plant walk rate for probably sixty years maybe eighty years for the most modern of the reactors and then you have to do. Commissioning and waste management that we need to do in partnership. Beyond that. So I know Howard still has to speak to us. Let me just make one more final point and terms of this vexing question of giving Korea. Vance can set to do enrichment reprocessing I've already talked about how we're trying to approach to reprocessing slash Power processing issue. I think by and large it's a smart approach in terms of this joint study and trying to assess their options fully and openly and transparently but the uranium enrichment issue is something that has also come up and I think Korea does have a strong case economically to say as a country of the third or fourth biggest nuclear power producing country in the world that could argue from an economic standpoint it doesn't make sense to begin investing in uranium enrichment. But on the other hand you look at the decreased demand for nuclear power recently post Fukushima accident. There are appears to be for all kind of a glut of an uranium enrichment right now in the market. So it's not a pressing need for new enrichment suppliers. So I think there's been some interesting ideas that have come out in the last day and a half. You know one of them is for my colleague Miles popper to assess and create a United States to a bilateral relationship that ritual investment in uranium enrichment. We need to move as a world toward bilateral and multilateral approaches to Richmond reprocessing by doing so we can alleviate some of the concerns but if you have national alone and controlled facilities that they could be misused in the future for political purposes. If you have bilateral multilateral owned and operated Sylvie's that risk. I would argue is much reduced. So I think that's the pathway where we can move forward to address each of those concerns about limiting his. At National in Richmond reprocessing while addressing Korea's valid concerns about assurances of fuel supply in nuclear waste management. Thank you for your attention and Charles and I was the last speaker of the floor. We open it up to us and how often is a professor Howard Hall who is the director of the universe's Tennessee's Institute for Nuclear Security. He's also holds the governor's chair. Professor of nuclear security at that at that institution. So Howard. Please. I thank you. I would echo the comments of my colleagues that I think one of the bright lights here is that this is a discussion a vigorous discussion but it's a discussion framed in a very strong relationship between the U.S. and the Republic of Korea. So even though we may be struggling with a particular question I think we should reflect on the fact that it is a relatively small pick up in a very close and and fruitful relationship between our two countries the the course of this discussion. I think over the last couple of days we've talked about a number of very interesting issues. I think there are clearly strong arguments on the part of our colleagues from South Korea that issues of equity issues of cultural respect issues of mutual collaboration are very important in this relationship. I think in terms of the U.S. perspective this is a decision that is not just a U.S. South Korea agreement this is a decision that in a perfect world would be guided by a comprehensive integrated self consistent U.S. strategy on energy security. We unfortunate don't have that we have economic interests we have security interests. That are very important here and both way in some conflicting ways on this particular agreement. I think the I'm certainly no I have no metal no crystal ball. So I can't tell you whether which way this will come out but I think an important characteristic of the outcome is continued close cooperation between the U.S. and the Republican Korea an extraordinary level of transparency in whatever decision is made in terms of enrichment and reprocessing I like the idea of multilateral or international facilities I think that's that's very credible. I think we also need to continue to pursue building deeper and stronger ties between our two countries and the exchange of activities and students and and staff and so forth that we've talked about a bit you know sort of grass roots connections are very important for that as well. Finally I'd like to thank Adam for all for arranging this and some comes to him that I and I thank you all for your time attention so little bit of time left. Believe it or not. And I'd like to invite anybody to either pick up some of the themes here race new you know wishes for consideration. We've exhausted a number of you but I think that several of them come you know Jeff I can always count on you but I am I want to appreciate our last kind of life or off policy on the industry. You are today. There's sort of the dreadful set of marks to all of this challenges us the opportunity. One of the opportunities I should try to separate what you have for a long the other actor to shine for a year in the former University of Tennessee as well as texting out to align itself with industry and drive the institutional day. With just two shoes that are well represented right here in your own hometown in Atlanta with zero zero zero zero with with want to go Certainly through that for any awkward conversation you suck up to here as a leader here you want the house not to mention a host of utility companies seek out. Charlotte North Carolina village to harness that type of intellectual power and conveying to set their generation of students how they have to operate collectively as a digital age. What I see years and I'll tell you many of the TELL ME THE so that you have to come to know what those verses are so you're saying and build a bridge such that you take these top tier shooters and more closely with industry you put them on some of these critical issues you have outstanding policy groups in your district who should you know about your aspects are there with Georgia Tech you have a house there robotics lab. So the ability to generate becomes one of those disciplines to soften these very complex policies. I think the fact that here was here this morning. I think very clear picture and I think that John. OK Thank you. And he but he else. Well let me just I guess conclude by noting making several observations from my vantage point as I am not a an area specialist in East Asia. Nor am I a nuclear engineer but I have I do dabble in the area of nuclear security and I spend also international security broadly and I'm struck by the problems and it's sort of picks up some of the points that I think Steve Miller mentioned with framing this relationship and even the nuclear cooperation relationship around a technology that's not mature and and and and set of economic variables that are very fluid and rather there are some very tangible interests and intangible shared values that center around issues related to nuclear security and nuclear safeguards vet I think may be reflected in some of the tangible ideas that bill and and Howard and some of the others have mentioned that may be the foundation for reformulating and if not read framing the way that we think about this cooperation relationship because those are the areas where our commonalities are undisputed and and given the time lines that Charles has given us and that we are we need longer term perspectives and we need those the. We need time for the technologies to mature and for the economics to make more sense and where we have less time in dealing with some of the security types of issues associated with the nuclear industry and the nuclear sector in general that I think reframing the one two three effort as a way of forging partnership on safety in safeguards issues that may as by products of those dialogues and very tangible efforts and promoting join our Indian multinational efforts and by products may be the technologies of the future that will make economic sense for both countries and for the industry as a whole and help to sort of get us away from these points of acrimony so to pick up some of the themes that were raised right before we broke for lunch and focusing on those sort of collective goods issues as the strategic framework around which to build this very tangible set of commercial and safeguards and security related initiatives that could then produce the kinds of positive commercial externalities on that may be a fruitful way of thinking about it but that's the charge that Mansong and I have been trying to distill from this day and a half set of dialogues a set of concrete issues that we want to develop and conduct more research on and it's in that regard that we'll be following up with all of you in the weeks and months to come so on behalf of Mansong and my colleagues here at Georgia Tech. I want to thank you all for joining us over the last stand a half I think we really did more than scratch the surface on technical economic political and strategic issues that are both bones of contention of emerging. Bones of Contention But we've also begun to identify you know rays of hope and rays of optimism that we really want to explore and much more in depth so again thank you very much for joining us. And I look forward to being in touch with you all in the very near future. Thank you thank you.