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>> This is a living history interview with Donald Butch cape. Faculty staff at Georgia Tech from one thousand nine hundred sixty eight to one nine hundred seventy two with the facilities department from one nine hundred seventy two through two thousand and four with mechanical engineering. It was conducted by Marilyn summers on December the twenty first and the years two thousand and four we were at the library at Georgia Tech on the Georgia Tech campus in Atlanta Georgia and the subject of our interview today his life in general his experiences at Georgia Tech.

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But it's a pleasure to meet you finally having talked to you on the phone several times and I'm looking forward to hearing your story. Thank you. I want to know where you were born and when I was born in Cedartown Georgia coming mistake. How did that happen. Well it was my dad was working there and we were are from Cobb County and my original big part of my biggest part of my family is from Bartow County in the Carolinas.

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And what was your dad to do and say to count he was working on my command and so from some stuff it. Ising license like people come and stuff it goes in car windows to make I'm saying I can old days and now. And so here you momma just happened to be there and I shall live to visit him because he would be out of town for you know thirty days or so it was transportation make them.

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You know with a real red button will I do you can tell us what your that was what year was that back that promise I will the forty three. OK I was one hundred three. So forty three so and she didn't know you were do. Well yes but she thought that she had to make it I guess I don't really know but but you were so you were right it is.

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So soon. I was born and she got where she traveled came back home you know to the mirror and so that's where that's what I call home is really I was born there you can see detail but I say it's some of us a little twist So yeah the family your mother's family was from Cardiff to county.

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OK And where was daddy's family from Bartow County Carolyn. My great grandfather's form a Cherokee Indian. How interesting is that you haven't you want to know great grandpa you probably never got to know him that take it back. My grandfather was full blooded Cherokee and I know you're right.

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Your father. My grandfather he did when I was roughly five six years old and you have a memory Yes and I was there then and his name was John. Dante But yes my he was and your dad said I'm right. Yes ma'am. That's interesting. So you have that receipt come back a lot.

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Why in this country you know pretty much so and where on some of the cave families. My folks come in the end back in settling. A cup canyon near the wind when it was first you know settlers from right here. That's my settlement. You know. It just caves SCOTUS Yes ma'am.

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And I think it might be so they were some of the very early in that. Yes and I don't mean they're going to have it out of this happened because it was so far before matter. And now that real story is handed down on. No ma'am. How big of a family were you born into how many brothers this is I only have one one said Lee and sister.

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So there's there was a small family. Yes ma'am. Just the two younger sisters younger the Big Brother. You're the first one of the first born of the kind I did you grow up in and a larger family background though because of relatives being proud Yes Me I'm sure the father was a woman and children and all of his.

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This you know because the children are your reason you went out and it was a small part that you were lonely. I don't know that it did you go to school in the Marietta area. Yes ma'am. To Bethel which is in that around Johnson Ferry Road. I met with the community lived there for three years and forty nine and fifty two and they close it every now and then from there.

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Describe your house get Did you like going to school. Yes and she wanted really like recess and. I think that shelter for smaller families really take to school better because there's other other kids. There's things to do. Yes ma'am. When would you say you had at that time that you were growing up in the Marietta and community were small town.

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Yes ma'am. They were very small just farming communities and basically you could say you grew up in a small town community. Yes ma'am. Was it one of those places where everybody looked after you. Pretty much so you knew everybody from Aus around because they have it was real close together now and I'm a farmer and didn't get away with much to the man but you know if there was a ride.

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She was really is and how did the rest of the village are that out of the community could be friends. You go down. Right. The neighbors want to move past but yet they know that you got away with that because it was really OK to do it and I see by that you know no damage she did you know had to when she needed to get a watermelon.

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You know. Have you know boys will do. That's kind of a neat way to be raised and it isn't like that anywhere anymore so it's definitely a passing way and I'm sure children isn't an answer you had personal freedom and a little fear and you had trust and you know your parents trust you and you course you trust your parents and never really know they always talk about.

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A generation gap and I don't really know what the generation get was you know you're comfortable with your grandparents and your parents are definitely so. And your community and yet you don't have to be afraid of anything. I mean I was looking out for you. There was no luck.

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There were you know really really you know it wasn't that many years ago and it was it was light years away. Don't have the world history. I was definitely. So you want to spread very high school a school that still there in various did you play sports that often involved I think played when you come and live in the farm community you know have a whole lot of time to play but I didn't think they thought you're here even though your dad was working for a company you still did some farming.

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Well that was when I was born. Yes he you know when he got through there. You came back and worked with Bill Bowman then Alibek it which was a company that packed their bomber and shipped him out and they move them out. Yeah that was during a war time.

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Yes ma'am. They were when they found the clothes of the war the two three years later. Lucky you know about that moment coming in here with some of the his friends and all but he was in construction business. And I was some of his brothers and they were doing pretty good in the construction company so they discontinued what they were doing from there.

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But there still was some farming going on. Yes and then a bunch Hello ours Yes So we did we didn't have that big farmer know the no formally and we only had about four or five acres out in. But the souls of the Sable is and people like it was their friends and neighbors They was plenty only in that area and I worked for him.

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You know a lot of the kids worked on the farms for you had your own chores and they would you work on the farms and I could go on the sample little money you know learn learn the way alas you know I just had some magic words there but that's not the way we raise children today.

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No we don't instill the work at making we don't make them do chores and it's really amazing didn't hurt you. Bad though I enjoyed it. I mean. Judge simply I mean from you know the Sibley lab berries and all that he had a farm out on so cruelly got a tape from the area there and and he was real nice but a lot of his grandkids would come in and you know they'd say you can and that's where milk comes from I just thought I'd come out of the snow in the car and I didn't know you missed it and got in the book which I did.

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Yes that you know but yeah and you learned to do things for the reward of doing it. Yes ma'am. The satisfaction of actually accomplishing be right back to me. And you my games and you know you had other friends too. That was their children. So you made games that were doing things that didn't really make it seem like work to that and then you have eight year olds driving tractors in them with Bottomley answer and you know what you know a year old kid this is laughed at and try to describe.

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What might have been times your you really had a great coming up time then didn't just. As you were going through high school just start thinking about what you're going to do for a living. How you're going to make your way in the world. When did it dawn on you you were actually going to have to do something like that.

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Well I don't know I don't know if he has who thinks that and then comes the day comes and then. I guess really when I got out of housekeeper Mind you that I had to go somewhere. So I decided to join the service of course I went quite I won the Emmy and a friend of a time to beg your parents in the sand in your T.V. you're listed when you were not eighteen.

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Yes that's what service going in the Marines. You were a Marine. Well we were going into it. Now what happened to the stay on the well we got it was a long run it right after Thanksgiving in the drill instructor or was that the place is that he felt that we needed to be.

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Home through the holidays because we'd be going to camp and we wouldn't be home for a while and so kindly man you know we thought it was the greatest thing in the world you know his one huge gap to he was talking to. And so he wanted us back up the fourth of January or some day there what it might be and so Louis Wheeler was in my friend's name and we'd minute enjoying that began then we get back up there and.

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There's a lot of people in there you get rid of a swarm the and so we were afraid to row him how was that me calm and name and Loomis is name. You know the prime name because to say out. You know a very embarrassing others that were not well known in the you know he said I'm in an awkward position.

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Probably in the women figure because you always hear all the stories about people join in the sixteen and fifteen and that's not really old enough to join but they get away with it. So we think that we try to talk trusting. And you plug that test. It's time to go home girl and come back when you're on the bus and that's it.

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OK. But I never went back I mean that you know things happen in a moment we're in and then Vietnam come along and that was a good thing he didn't go and rally and then need some guardian angel was looking after you keeping you sure that had to be away because it is right for the pic and write it and.

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I got it when I was eighteen I got married and. My. Now so yeah yeah. Mysti a married the same lady now and I thought that years and now it's interesting you were young in your physical years but I really very mature probably responsible because you think it's right up to be that way and you know of always had a job.

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Never never been a word and so I mean I feel like I'm in that always been in a good Hale and so that that kept me working somewhere in there in some kind of field and making the money and you don't know your career now so you just the first place you went to get a job was that.

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That's generally when I when I get out Haskell were with when I'd done a little work myself contract and begin foundations and stuff for people and I but the my theory or my first real job was with Sam he was leaving. Which was his and Associates a big survey in the engineering firm there and Marriott and now.

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That was the first Georgia Tech connection can leave because I knew that about ways like Georgia tape because the take it or jackets and spray there is a spread. So you always have is that hometown. Yes ma'am I'm a rat. So what did you do for Mr I started out in like your bad **** as a Rodman and just carrying a poke for the stakes in the bush X. and could have done yes ma'am.

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But it was a real job. Yes ma'am. Stability and benefits and I get a paycheck yes I am in real life that's a good thing to do if you're going to look at the in the family and that's where I was working with him when I got married or his going to get married.

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When we done a lot of you know he was a county engineer too so anything that for the candy was always be easy and if it was raining there and you couldn't work and then another man they were thing was it was enjoyed it and that's where I really cannot get back into the basics of construction work that I've always tried to stay away from but I just hated construction work.

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Why is that because it's not I don't know my father or my uncles and you've seen everybody and you know I knew that it was I just didn't want to do it but it does come natural to me I didn't have to be trying to cause that you thought it was since you were growing up.

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Then you know I can be all things and look at it and blah blah blah. You know natural so on and so but I always relied on that if I lost a job or for some reason the company went out of business selling our flow you backed up and we're out we dismantled on the things you're.

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And so I'm always looking for the give a job. So you work for Henley and then you went to work for you from handsomely hit was probably hearty Kilgore builders and that took the knowledge that I learned from hands laden I was there engineer and I laid out all their streets and sidewalks and Curtis are very undeveloped that you know big house it would not have as a project apartment building to now and I have done a lot in enfold in the camp can these and you know I enjoy would enjoy that part you know because I now I was county in the Boss this position when you're betraying us to the racks and I had a small crew that most of them worked for me at that time and said the better boards which is.

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The framework of the B.L. in outside in you lay it out for the people to start building the real buildings on the shot all the elevations on the streets in the saddle and you being caterpillars and backhoes and stuff they can be cheese and cut roads out so it's like a little boy building.

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Yeah I mean it's the same school you know I don't know I guess I think it's May Well let's say that there's some of them onto another. Yes ma'am. I think I went were car construction the inly built a new museum the first job was on the new museum at Kennesaw Mountain and that's where I was working when President Keel.

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I was sick and then for the only reason I only on it because that was a government job and so the government took that a lot different from other individual companies you know. You have a lot of time off. I mean you know when you're that week that a lot of the government jobs was awful and I know this happened when you know this was a union company.

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And but working with the government you didn't have to be a union member. But you had to follow their really so. So when they said close everybody. I mean it was only sat to kiss on them. Battlefield. So. Never will forget the visitor center that's where they had the different displays.

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Yes ma'am. It's wonderfully done done I'll them in the layout I didn't know engineer the drawings of it but I don't I'll be in Philly. You know lay down. The building shot all the grades lead up parking lot and happy when you go by. I mean I think he is and that the rest of the.

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That was back in the money got a little tab and that kind of that would never ever just like take is in now where we are in a money crunch you know no races in a couple of years and they start looking around and so the company slacks up in you know if you don't work you don't get paid and that means you get children WEF and bills at his place.

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So you start looking looking for something they outs and you know the only reason I've ever left a job was to better myself and then we get fired from jobs it was always to better myself. So took that knowledge and. When it with another company happened we look at for a supervisor in a layout person to engineer the work we think it was Jean Consider this time and got jeans and I went to work with them.

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We built a big fire station that I had I'm still a big liberal first babies church but they were big props and the robot robot Pat were up on the top of their home to sit the steeple up I'm hanging on to the crane rabbit. That was. Wow that I was back in a younger days or you know I don't know.

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Get that out of the ground now and he was in business from George Eliot which was Billy Elliot the race drivers father and. Our house was in Dallas and the so that's four with their trailers and everything. So we if we when we change job would have to take a train or back to the House and the elder.

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So you need us. So yes my field and Ernie and all of them are just young and smaller and. George had a bunch of chicken houses up there in that it was just full of building material and it's kind of like a Home Depot has said that you can get some you know where to go at the end and people around there about there and they sell billions were just leaving sad and now and you know stuff million dollars worth of stuff was stacked up in there and he had cameras on it.

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Me and then me all right. Shop there in the home and he would. But we would take our stuff back up and he had a big field them below his house out there and deal in those boys had a strip of them and they were B.F. there. And it was only rice in these cars just so stripped them so those six cylinder Gene kind of motors they could not only had not started to kind of that kids play well like it or they were playing with the automobile on their way thinking.

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Yes some of them are just plain out there for a little who knew what that was going to turn into and I profess. Yes I'm very much. But you know I didn't and they knew us but name but you know whenever social dance with me. I just go for a ride.

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I don't know how I would but I think I don't think that my dad is going to claim to fame. Well from there when you went to tech but I when that happened with Gene for I don't remember a couple years I guess and they want his money crunch times and.

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Got Jenkins was on take at the border regions and but he still had his business in we mean another guy Garnett Wheeler We finished deals with he was here work in and he knew that and we knew that he was going to be there who was trying to make sure we would get everything done do or you know if they would be OK and we will have to come in many banks and he have he offered to get this job or put us in not get a job put a C. in for any place beers construction two or three other places and he said I can probably get you on that tape and you thank him.

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OK And it was becoming a winner and a construction worker in sad is a place to be right. So you didn't take too long. Back to London. Well on that one. So you got a sign that the P.L.O. the facilities that you know start you and your member the first time.

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Yes ma'am I can remember coming then in the interview and you know not knowing no I'm nowhere about take where to go and. We park at the north. You know the campus and had to walk away than here to see any known as an enemy that I know how I asked a nearby I don't live wires and those been the words that you know which are pretty you have to go to it but then we got there with and it was supposed minute facilities back it's north them.

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It was. Yes and I am sure the campus just right there. They went and then and they hired you for facilities. Yes ma'am I did we interviewed with them. The people. Sam Culpepper the different ones. Then I think Phil rector was the director of benefit and in. Viewed with the I'm in the got a job and we just figured you know we stay here at the spring of the year that got us.

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We figured that we would i got to write out yeah I'll go through the winter and have a good listener. In that we were hired on this take sort of temporary pay up and that means we get paid for no holidays or nothing like it now but you know we didn't.

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Anyway you know what you sacrifice of it. So what it did was to give you a chance to try it out get the feel of the place and see if it was that. Yes ma'am. And I came to work here for the least amount of money I made and many years I started like two dollars and that's something and same with assets and now we're not had my dad in five year four years or so you're going to step down but you were but it was money.

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Yeah it was going to be. Yes it was in the stadium so. And as it wasn't seasonal I was there to find some for you to do all the time and you pretty much guaranteed you forty hours and you didn't have a problem with that and the work wasn't going to be anything you couldn't handle unless you know not all that no matter what no problem.

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You know do and then just before Christmas. They offered a social of ten presume because they liked or were you know they they meaning the they were a few people short. Did you have to think about it. Well can we. Yes ma'am. Because the money in the end when they raise this.

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I think wouldn't have been a dollar and a quarter our raise on what we were making it put us somewhere back close. But what you could have that rat thought it was going to come in forty hours a week. Rob a week and you had insurance and you had vacation then you had other things it and now yeah I'm sad.

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You don't have so you had to weigh the whole thing. My wife and I and you know we talked to talked about it and said you know. Thank you. And we'll try this for a while. Like putting down roots your you know great melody is there you know where you're going to be every day.

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What you're going to be doing this great you just kind of feel your way through it and it was a risk but it paid off for you. It was good really never regretted coming to take. Takes a great place to work. It's a great bunch of people here you know and that was the one nine hundred sixty eight.

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Yes ma'am. That was in September of sixty eight that was September so the new semester. We were in quarters at that time the quarter. Yes I'm going to say exactly where they were saying so many kids are going to Ireland for you. And yeah I was young tell you saw a lot of them was a much younger than that and that's and some of the mess.

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That's probably the same age right you what you did because a lot of graduate students yes and I was your only what twenty one I **** you know yes and you know. And already so adept with your hands. You could do anything they asked you to do this.

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Ma'am are pretty much over at least I was a good catch on alert really learned really so if you told me an interesting experience. Joining us first four years. That's when you got to come to this library right we I'll now for the yeah man. How do you think that Mrs Prime met Mrs Krauss and work in a carpet shop and Mr Earle Marler was our superintendent and.

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He had a he had they had to somewhere it had to be done up here and so we were new here so he brought I guess is other people's out so he wrote us a unity used to this and so we worked up here three or four days in this cause and doing different things in the now and I mean well they had a bad problem with that and one of the house roof said here that they were having a lot of leaks in the building but it was really coming so you know when they see Pap that we're so we had built this house scaffold up in a loop.

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Tore Down. You know I seen the what the problem was. Maceo. And she had to come back because she. You know she want to get right in there and do anything to climb up on the scaffold I believe you even say with a hand bank Yes I've been sitting there was a great lady and I told her what I thought the problem of this goes on to come the site becomes this Pat was up above the sea and then and it was an insulated and she told Earl which of my supervisor get this feeling you know get them packed insulated and then they're OK and then she'd me out a little bit because he's a supervisor not me.

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He hadn't seen the problem but they insulated it and now Will week or so later she had to have somebody and she called my supervisor and see him and she wanted boots and going to take people a minute here in the black From stay up here. Why not just like good retainers so to speak kindly That's for anything that came up she just hated you.

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And we had yesterday and Earl come to me and Earl you have to really in the world he was real soft spoken guy from Cobb County. I have to go there. She wont there. Just check him in here to get that she had enough clout on the campus.

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So yes he wanted. Definitely so. And I enjoyed her in Georgia working here in the end we had a little room of our own kind of that she could be hold forests and so she say if I need you. I'll get you in that we might stay in there high for our two hours or be around close if something come up because they were in Bill in stages and doing different things to the library at that time it was as it was always yes and definitely would tell you that don't think crossing was a do or going.

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Most definitely seems it was real good. It's about orders and license and I get the. I just love her. They **** and she thought a world of us to move things right. You know we have a good report. She told Mr Morris and them to two masses me and i've ever met and they were really concerned about what's going on.

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So the personal interest rashers I was that's a really good. So we just try to keep a country charm only as an eye on the country. Chart work and Dr here said there were other costs him not a whole lot. Billy like and someone for Billy Wilder was I mean there we used to have to work over there quite a bit and we was always calm and most attend because I was always a trim person had done a lot of the fancy mobile in work some out there because my father did a day and again you know this is just comes in handy.

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When you would work at a place in that people see your work and that's one of them on the people that was before me but they would ask for us to come back because you did a great job and I'm hoping that some reason why I'm sure but I'm told Dr Harrison was really just a very ordinary person he didn't put on any airs that I didn't he was he was extremely mass.

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Remodeled some of his offices up there and up to Webber's office he worked in them a lot of fancy back and that eighty dollars he wound up plywood that we put in the end and you know this was a very fancy a window from the smoke Bill and I believe it was there because he had I think madam in retired at that time but but had this office you know there's a big doctor with us now.

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And so a lot of the kind of the older people that people think of now I get the kind they meet in the top two in be around. We had then and I always got good have reports back to Madison for that as are. And you know we've been it's a job and now in that it always made you feel pretty good in what tempted you to resist so ready for money and stuff.

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Exactly. Canned to be in the in the Carter shop with a great place to be you know I would still be there. Now I guess but back when you first come to work to take the play with quiet Evil's equal with everybody else and a lot of the people that were not so much.

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I mean in the carpenters and plumbers and all the craft shops not just a carpenter shop. If you've been here a long time you made more money. So you had to reply I'm going to rap and then added that to me I'm from those that I don't think it's quite rad should be overwhelmed with that stuff.

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Yes ma'am. And I think a person has been here a long time. There's are other things more vacation more sick and you know a little more an hour but but not that dramatic We had people make it to two and I thought it was our and we got good raises the and you know sixteen percent but seven percent and that's it is still in there so you got an offer to go to yes I would get a post of business when it was coming up one of the estimators in the first facilities had interviewed but not the case cement taken a job done.

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Cases with the rector that when he was up in May and he was only going to stay three or four more years in that case just want to him to run the foundry. And do all the demonstrations of porno mentalism No Mr there was came to me and said he was.

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Me to do all this stuff and you know I don't really I'm too old to learn anything about porn metals and the foundry are you interested in and in and put me in for this job and that's when I don't know who he is in he tell me that's all I know decay just because we were working in the building there.

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And he was one of the people is ahead at RI asked for us to come back again and said I was making you send these two guys back up here you know so I told when I go talk to him and I thought would not case you and he kind of liked what I had to say and I like what he had to say.

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And I got a decent we just got a raise from the seventy's then there and I got a little over twice that much more to come appeared to point me up into an even category that what probably a person with my **** the outside. So I was Fats where you rat and I was your battle really needs to be I was back where I should be and not come to dig in to try to keep the transition from one department to another.

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Yes it was because he really wanted not a case of free they had the skill at heart he he knew we had a nobility and there was a lot of problems in the building. We're talking about now is that is the can be and I do this and I am in the ten billion which is behind it and we had we were party in the S.S. T.C. number one in three but can bill in this sign off was most really old the guy said leave it at that time.

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Let me tell you this time and really run down there with that building. It was our fourth building built on campus. I thought it had to be right at one thousand nine hundred ninety and yeah. Somewhere in that I'm not one hundred percent sure but real close to that and the way things were done in those days there was a whole lot of maintenance.

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No ma'am. I don't want you to run forever. You know you've got fourteen inch whilst that wows it's mud brick you get steam heat so if you haven't anything hot it stays hot and it takes you. Twelve days to cool it out. If you need to get out because the lag.

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There in the I started with him. The biggest transition was learning the foundry and we had an old family and he was retiring and that's the reason that the job came open and now the funky was one of the very first stops here and starts how young lamb hit was one of the biggest Fandor is theoretically in the land area.

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At the turn the century or are a long time in the cars that that's youngsters coming to school here had to take foundry to have said no to working on that pattern making you had to you had to do the whole nine yards over their shops that afternoon Saturday and these buildings were built right when the case manager starting up with the work was opened in and so this was a big working operating from Great Will it had come a strong man to maybe a little bigger than this room that it was still in part of the will be able to and it was and if you ever looked down on the south.

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What to call the in the research area which is rapid then go and then Amie that that's where the family area was in there and the roof is made like a you know A is how Rast in the middle where all the heat would be a pound of it and you still got belt driven stuff or machine shop where we were you know what did they want what were they actually producing in that founding was that mail your things and stuck people or years ago now on the they were doing a lot of stuff for different companies and I'll even though it had instructed that show the students you know give them their classes and their ability to the kitchen on the planet.

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When I came into there it was just. More laughter. Every man a professor would need some special something poleward I would pour it know and they wouldn't let the machine shop with a machine that recently it was a production release and yes ma'am. In the in the school first started it was a production but over the years the Sandra kindly do it all day and you know and and I don't know why but when I came into the department it was just.

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It was mostly just for classroom theory most. Not much more than a housekeeper that Haskell would have it was like a doctor because they wanted you to maintain it or yes I mean leave it in and we we had I would have probably two hundred students a quarter.

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You know and we had Labs late and I would I would instruct the lab to have the teacher in the professor there and then he would give me the query as and the same would make a pattern make a poll were instead of like yes is really and I just know yes ma'am.

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In. Kemah got away from the cast iron a little bit more dangerous than leaves usually mostly aluminum but you're still talking twelve hundred degrees Fahrenheit to pull worn sand molds and lot of stuff can happen. And so then the professors would make a top with me and Dr Perry which is now think head of them.

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Katherine Jamir department and. Tuscaloosa Alabama there and the University of Alabama. Carl Jacobs I can't remember where he's goes it's been years and these people did leave and Carolyn Ayers. She's a provost for one of the colleges in the South Carolina. You worked with went on to greater.

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Yes to me and you know mass and I work with A is nice people give me. Well the and sat with I mean I know nothing about family when I went there and you know learn to click this gas opposed to show me for five or six weeks two days a week he showed me one day and he left he never come back you know for years.

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Well I got there a book I could satisfy I'll run a foundry I did it and the only thing he said in one of the most important things is use a mixture and that's what he showed me in being used so he must've known you were a smart fellow and figure just well I don't know they had already got the money lead.

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And I don't know a lot of. It Going To me it was going to be just the foundry thought it was to work evidence for that independent unit anything good cause. Yes ma'am. We need they needed the technician. They had. They had a mechanical technicians place open that what I was taking in that's well that's what I was feeling and that's what being part of my D.D.'s was to learn the standard would have electronic technician and so forth and I'm like yes and I was still in that position particular position.

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So I had to learn at are you there. And that wasn't job that one hundred seventy two when you came to attack it was just the end of Dr Harrison's reign this time in office and he just resigned. He's been here he thought I'm going to and was ready to move on.

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So he resigned and I was the interim president and then Dr Hansen came very briefly and that in no time and just the first four years you were here. The third president there. Dr Pettit came in when Dr Pettit came in and the culture of the school changed a good bit because he was more research oriented Yes and he had been before him that her son had been a builder.

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Yes he was building everything left and right. And Dr Hansen was there long enough to have us what it was but petted him and said we need to. Be doing more research. We need to be getting grant money. Thanks for that. So I did you did that reflect in mechanical engineering and what you were doing and I was at the same same routines.

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When I hit reflects may not be in the faculty you know out but yes well my D.D. is a lot of my head. I'll never buy this part I had to change because you had to you had to start upgrading your your life abs and getting better and more quick with the stuff like me definitely had an impact and I was going right in the right.

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Yes ma'am. Yes you are most definitely so. And of course like him even I guess like your body. Yes their budgets if it was you know I always low into Mr Woodruff. You know came along and kindly and lay I'm telling you that there were no George what are not real personally but I was.

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Yes ma'am that he met a fight he took foundry when he was it take. And he wanted one when we had the last in tin you will. He was our guess and it was just about the time that he gave us the nation of the money and he wanted to see the foundry.

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So yeah I made him so. We got everything ready for him and he is the limo pulled up in the everybody hit him up the steps there but he he didn't want to go back. So we had been making different take in the G.T. medallions to give people enough so Dr Bratten was a chariot and he S. And the and he was there and so all the high officials of him he was there talking with him in what we called our walk in room it was room set up just off the front door from thirty three or so with the magazines and he cheers and then there and I got to come in and present him one and.

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We taught from no matter I mean that you know I thought wow that's that's because here is another. There's just so Omega and it's rock. You know technician three given the millionaire. You know but you had made something I had made and yet had an G.T. written on it and you know so we did we did take real good care to make sure this was maybe extreme the right moves and the flaws and now so his contribution certainly helped upgrade or like put a comfort zone that if anything we're going to do this differently.

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You know tell. Let's stop Herman and tell me about the current building when you first came there. It was practically Well it was it was in need of attention. Yes man. But but tell me about it. Well what's it like to come in there did. There's a morning.

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Just like me in a ghost task or somehow the pads a crack and pop in space. So you can really tell it was moaning and groaning as Manzanita just as I was ready. It was the happy home and we talked about so earlier. John when we come back a Heinie John Hancock and we go now.

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It was years and although he was long gone by the time you came in seventy two he had already been gone twenty years behind him. And there was still his spirit his attitude anything that he had that was still there. There's a lot of stuff they've couple of clocks and we have them.

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That was made by him and like clogs. And that was made to him. We have them and I think I think the lamb here has one of them. And we have the one in their display case. And in their new building there he was a keeper of things when he was here he was a handy worker but he was also a handyman he said I think anyone would work not like yourself.

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But again he didn't find any counsel and knowing that they had been along right for him and I'm there to do another long run. Then I didn't really think that much Bennett. Then the every man in America have my beard with the people that compare me with a look behind me and I'm just a little David he came back to tell you stories about him ever saw him.

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Yes ma'am. Space and would have are open houses and I'm not saying so much about him. I mean a couple talking about. A man over head of a lot. I'm talking about the old days when they were here in the thirty's and some I think that in sometimes in the twenty's is now the word and I was the first time fathers that person that could remember talking to just how could a mentally ill me **** and you know some of the Pacers and the fact that their stocks had the time clock so they had a punch in Uncle Jaime kept an eye on him and I heard stories about that he always had a lobster tank that her dad had our little nose a lot.

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I think really it's nothing but the other clock you know you're not going to have that then you're not going to have it with us and them it so that I so safety was on his mind. Yes man and teaching all the basics of woodworking and whatever right there wasn't another old uncle Uncle Billy and how that worked.

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Did you hear stories I have heard I don't know as much about him but yes I've heard in the fun and funny. Both that because of the times that these old gentleman who were not professors in the academic sense of the word were called uncles right not affectionate term respectful and sure so then they say definitely you know where the very foundation of who you know the most any of your hands on craft people back in the in them if they you know was worth a shout it out.

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They knew you had to have to do things to make it look Moran and they were artists and correct yes ma'am. From artisans and taught generations. Yes young man I mean we just hear so many. Oris that much and even those that he never ever when I want to do that kind of work always Finally remember the bookends they made over the light basses one of the.

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That motor to my heart. Yes I heard so many stories about winding their own yeah and you had to make that you had to make the frame in that you had to make the case in the motor in the family rest there and it was that so the did a little bit how nice it had to work together pretty closely there because they would they would do the winding and you put the bearings and they were going in.

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You made the in my dresser for it. So the family thought I have those and talk about them with an out of hand all timers tell me the Had it fifty sixty something yes that was just ARE WE STILL HAVE Yes ma'am. We still have one parent you have one and machine shop there.

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Now that belt driven in the was made there. It. You know me in the steel works but now there's always that big question about the machine that sits out on the lawn that came out from a steam engine the steam engine it's me. There's always a question about that because people come and say was that the one that used to be in the I mean in the NE building or in the cool building to what did you tell me this or was the story behind that because there were two different kinds.

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Some people used to tell us it was the whistle but we knew it was only an assault and then I thought they always meant to be a steam engine but was it used to test it would it was used to run experiments with and in the labs that I'm not.

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We had a different technician that that run the labs and I'm not really DID THEY DON'T some of the stuff that that he had but. That was an active steam engine and it was running it will hit Rand in there Bill in there into to do a couple things we and they closed it down.

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Not too long after I went into you know me and well I don't remember they was turning that stuff in even more room but they were they used it. To run because had police known that you could run the show you because it was experiment Yes ma'am. And you know me that was that the one made by Worthington I think it is a warning and I'm not one hundred percent sure but almost positive in the US and we were in the process of getting rid of it we needed the space and.

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We see and decided to see if anybody wanted to put it on for a marker and that's one of the art. Yes it is and they great and they had a lot of gays in their use and I don't know who finally pulled the right yeah but that's where it landed if that's not a good thing because it's Atlanta and it really is and I'm just now and it's still a work in here to still work today.

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If you realize if you take it in them. Put the few little missing parts back on it you know and probably get it but he yes it would work. It's all painted up and it gets very you know very colorful I have a nice little conversation piece for the campus and it's nice to know that doesn't just found art.

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It was something that somebody actually used running mate. Yes and it is part of the history of this institute just ma'am definitely So it's kind of like the old tech power now you know they've got the chrome roof on it you know that to me it is still they'll take our you know the single Ruth and you see this guy as a parent from the shingles only occasionally you know.

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When we think about all the time you were here and those early days that you came you there was a lot of text histories sitting around this man a moment in history. The idea wasn't to preserve it. Then let's get it out of the way. So you've seen things come and go you know you yourself have done a great deal to preserve things for us.

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Well I think you know I've tried to specially You know I got into a position where I could McCain engineering and then we would get rid to move or somebody would go in at office to remodel and that's the something in there. I knew that was coming. What we call rat hole in the back to where hopefully someday somebody and someone would say hey we need to add.

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And then it's begin to come random people like you say people that run the Ginsberg doctor when it's taken me interests. Let's go ahead establish that was a past year. One of the treasures that we got for an exhibit from through around us from you was some old tools.

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Yes my that we think probably some of the very early only this is a wooden box and that we're probably made by the students under Dr under isn't but almost But you my lifestyle or they were. You know allow that to still get the G.S.T. It was damp down the league scrapping on the sides and some here was actually what even made here.

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You know more. Yes ma'am. Some of blacksmiths the floors and no. They were the blacksmith it was it was where the foundry Yes ma'am. And a lot of people laugh about the fact that when the school started the suits you see a lot actually had an anvil on it.

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Now here and I thought that was so funny that it was a useful thing in those days that you could have a blacksmith shop with an animal. And I would have to be a blacksmith shop because that was still technology that was used at that time. That's correct.

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So some of the treasures we have around here. You know we don't even realize our treasures were raw that were made right there. We're talking about your buildings. Well I'm going to call them your belt down they've been having that were associated radical engineering at that time and that you looked over the foundering you looked over the blacksmith shop.

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What else was there going on. It was interesting at that time to you but to me. Man you know come they knew to university laugh everything was very interested in me. We had metallurgy that really didn't continue it existed but out in the end you know nothing about it but we had professors you know in the middle as you feel that that was doing a lot of work for different companies and they get contracts from companies we had.

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People involved with NASA and. The space shuttle things and I mean to me all of that stuff was course it was way over my head but I pretty but it was exciting in you know and I would take interest in the anything that was going on and you know if I get to work on something or have something I always thought that was a great thing to do because you know it has a little part of history at least I get the touch the yes or you know I get the mike and the input or are there some maybe somebody thought one of the years might have been good.

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Or maybe I don't know. So you really appreciated the history of this place. Most definitely. So you know not everyone you know everywhere you looked and I can. There were we would remodel in the economic office of our one time and not too long before we moved in the new building.

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And that sad South walls a lot of plaster and a lot of the painted been flaking off and we were going to cover it with some some hardware cloth tops and we started like an off the paint in the under these under the paint you get out of these messages are written from who knows.

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And they sin that early not paying hundreds in people's names and a clay sions worked out almost well out a little bit right on the disk some of it was a thank you couldn't hardly see the and some live it. You know people would come and take pictures and I think the best I remember we didn't cover up some of the good stuff.

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I mean stuff you could read right there but there was a lot of old that you know I don't know names. You know and how could how with that of Africa for goodness sakes they were just right not just the right number. Wow So that was in the condoning of any activism.

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It was in the can be only come down right. You mentioned academics I think is that I mean with all this right. Yes ma'am. Over there. I originally the up stairs were the academic offices of the classrooms and then the downstairs was shot. Yes and it was in the basement in the.

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In the research which ran kindly on Jason. But off to the west side of the main building what we call the alley you go down and it was on that side and the team building was so close you know that was on the left side that used to be my office for quite a while to let the Democrats have been saying to the raft five or six different places I've been with them a department different offices and shopping areas and now it's not always been interesting.

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Very much. So tell me about some of the biggest challenges the biggest challenge I guess was Mike's a work in back when I first came here without the case. Yes He he was a thresher that had great at the years about you me department but very little money to work with and so he had to take just what resources he had in combat and with my say often a few of the technicians at them different things.

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Remodeled started pretty much at the top in going to the basement and with no money in studio because we we hard students and in the studio support me you know maybe six eight hours a week. So you'd hire a bunch of them where you have a lot of students working with you.

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Given them and that boy. Right. Yes ma'am. And so they literally were rebuilding that yes addition most definitely so. And then I would do my labs and have take time and I'd always have one student that was that would could catch on a little more and I call him a foreman so he would he give him a little pressure to balance it a little bit more he gets that on his wrist and like going to be very good.

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He was seeing a lot of students come through here. Yes ma'am. And I've worked with a lot of EVERYONE him has been great in a lot of nouns it's presence and mass presence of companies and like that homey lays him a card they want to him do and you know my friendship.

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Them is something that you can ask and never explain you could never understand it completely. It's one of the best things about being here. Definitely so. One of the I think it's kind of what kept me to at least I feel young. I may not look young. But I think you know I think you know what it is then I recommend the yeah but you know you're going to have yes and I know that amazing to see where they go and how they get on with and become it if it means we're really so privileged to be able to work with such gifted young people and and to get it take to begin with you get to be gifted and you've got to want to you know you've got to want to take it because I've seen some that come and you know this this can that take the pressure and I think about it and they just said they you know they can't do that.

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So I go University of Georgia. And I just know that he had you get a good job at that. I mean it's now you took him out to really build the buildings I mean you renovated. Yes ma'am. Tell me about some of the places you would like the top of that we couldn't build in there when I was in the I'm a department they were to be closer in millions of proposal how way we we tore all of the plaster nine off and while it was my students and bucket it looks downstairs and we get a truck from facilities or from the ground.

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**** the column and we would pull it out and it just straight. Because it was a lot of trips up and then the I would tell you this was so we would have a rope on the back of the tailgate that tailgate with the hidden gate of the truck and so you let all this stuff they on and this rope you put you but you don't let it slide.

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Then the somebody then their ingenuity away you get a key you walk in that in the end we have a we have a lot Terry. And then getting material if you just put a person and each window on the front side and you him to move forward and they just run him out of that side of the.

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INTO THE NEXT PERSON IN THE but they're working in at me and he's in our way on down to the next floor and he say the institution that I had my students and I think in a lot of the new people don't see the word that I put into and the students that were with me and other take nations that were with me electronic technician and different ones it.

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Let's go work they would know and they don't see what we did from that same the two until we moved in a bill in over a new bill in roughly ninety six I think it was and then he said that was twenty four years the main thing we've got a lot of intervention right we've got a lot of professors and and staff it's come in.

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Afterwards And they say yes. Can they haven it easy in them but they don't so you thought we had been raising we had to get up slowly to the core what other buildings did you get to fool around with and learn and know and understand when I was there with the SIL It is most all the old buildings on the heel.

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That would be the tower the comment you have no one knows this. About this one because I was always in in the in the repair and. I'm so grateful they didn't get twenty. I would not lose the knowledge but the restaurant didn't mind the nose was really in was really I mean they do they need but he was in bad shape when I was you know when I was first getting here and now but the most is anything on heal the other buildings was fairly new but I enjoyed the older stuff because you see you know the the tower building here you get to put the wows out of the bricks and you know you get a little bit.

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Yes. And you don't see that in the other places you know and I understand in the. In the beginning it was configured differently it used to have a chapel in it. Used to have a minor stain in the yeah and it had staircases that went down to the lower levels as well as the upper levels for that.

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Of course went the way of. Necessary rather better than go it still has those same two foot. Yes it's here and that and this got one the slowest elevators and stuff but probably not what you think you being with everything that's in that. Well you go in from first to second.

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But when you look at like the Whitehead building that's one of the older ones too that I think they're trying they're trying to say that went down. So I think so because I notice if you. Come up here today that it was like there was some work on it now think they are they all require Yes there are ladies of perpetual need earth they say always requiring some attention and some care and.

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If the years or so hard on us we can imagine how most never yet. Get trod upon another important part of the time that you've been here Butch isn't only been the buildings and seeing the ones saved and mourning the ones that are lost. But as the characters that you had a chance to work with and be around and if you've got any fun memories.

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We get a quite a few of the most of the home I was with facilities most of the people there is from up in the mountains so a lot of money they was a few spaces in the corner shop. And a paint shop so these were real artisans for us all the way that they and they were several in the they was one in the Karma shop was on the Atlantic crackers and over in the clam.

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He was a rat to be around six foot two he was probably P two years old when I came here and his heart is a brick wall. And Charlie young child the young was this paint. Supervisor he played for the land of crackers and. The baseball team and.

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There was water in the water lat also he was a pitcher for Brown better that you got to you know it was time you know you so you run back and you talk to people you know. You know we tell me if we hop in a truck in our bus or anything we could get to get from here to some other place to play another team and I was certain you get three courses and nobody's got enough money to put together the bag ace to get there and that great stuff.

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Those people played baseball because they live. Well you know so I guess not because of any number that they get in think that what you might be a banner. You know some very very you know in my underwear the change that was most people remember ROGERS You know we know.

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Yes we called him Mr Hollywood. That's not what you want to say on the suits for I don't forget when this company is so you know him on T.V. all the time I mean if you are saying however you think there was an in the football team going then I thought he was saying and then say well everybody you know everybody take it was just kind of the thing that they called him Mr Hollywood you know because people got nicknames around here pretty you know yes I think that there was something in that letter that most of the what I call you.

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Besides But stocking syce and that's what that word that you write about about my character like Dean Griffen Did you ever see him around. Yes ma'am. Last year and he had been he was he was I didn't really know him real person but I did this is the worst in his building and got me watching you know and and one of the best things that I think about him is in hurting you know some of the students before his.

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Where you're from you're here in America now so you speak English and maybe if you was a Spanish or or what have YOU didn't matter. You know do not use me in my class you know if you make me speak English where I know what you're saying. And if I go to your country you need to learn your language and that was one of the philosophies that it was but it only seemed to me that that would only last in time had told us.

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Yes That most definitely so. And I lot of people you could probably ask that and that was that was one of his the losses that you saw him from his heyday through his senior years when he was really promoting on the speaking circuit and he was always a character wasn't just ma'am in the same the same person every time you sing and they were in the and that's pretty wonderful to be consistent is that yes ma'am.

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That's like So did you ever see Bobby dad around the campus Occasionally if I happened to be I going into the mechanical engineering department I didn't really cover the camp of the four years that was in facilities and we would have to work over there as a lake social and sometimes you would see and I had to work a few of the ball games.

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It was kind of interesting is. It was fire it's called Fire Watch. So you can be on the West Indians in the nose built in and I was struck there and the people get up above and they smoke cigarettes they flip phone and on the wrist they roll down into the gooder I had thought about but they also he was are on fire.

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Watch and you would have usually a water pistol full of water or you would take and know what they'll chrome a fire extinguisher That's just put water in it you turn it upside down and you would watch you know you look over the rail all the time and you'd be watching the game.

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Looking on the rail and it had to put out a fire letter like occasionally you had to put I never did but occasionally some people come in and some of the people would work use of the karma shop got all those jobs I don't know that they do you know that is trust me we have we have a good fire over this place we can you know six that together burn the sentimental I guess so you have to be watching that instead of watching the game that just man but you where you stood at you could see and you just look over that there was a concrete rail and you look over it and you look up in the end and you watch the game and you wait a couple measly look but I really really keep an eye on the good are but you can see in what was going on about game today.

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You know but it was different. Twenty young man years ago thirty years ago much different than it is to the U.S. man you that you've seen a lot of chasing them I think the first astroturf then and I got a big chunk of it from that mistake and I went to the bats and cool as I want it done and my brother in laws are all superintendents informants and field generals now with bats and so got him going on the sea a lot of times when they work and then when I get I'm still going to sit in the you know many things that square piece of original Astro have seen the west side of the campus just really develop just build up completely.

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Yeah. Even when you win mechanical engineering moved over to where they are now there were there was just it was used on the organ in ninety six the Martin mill and was the first bill in there and then we built the in the course. OK mystery it was back a little south of us there and then there are the live the old and so we're kind.

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Yeah you know you know a little quadrangle in there and so doing that with engineering departments and I'm amazed at the El things amazing buildings and then you look across the street and you see what's happened to what used to be you know sack this man which is still sack but sack on steroids that you.

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Definitely. Has done just amazing how substantial that building has become from. No it's beginnings and the whole concept of this kind of like your hometown if you if you go away for a year and come back. You don't reckon as anything the people here the was here a year ago would not recognize we thought you're not you know you would recommend that all the building for the Olympics started you know back in ninety ninety one and that we thought my gosh this is incredible and people think well I saw it during the Olympics.

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I was in the same camp that back in May to get and I was not manners don't know that name and even believe it then how much of his millions and that's one of the good things I think that was to me the links were that was the best part of it.

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We got to get so much new construction on campus and billions it we need you know even though my opinion we paid for a lot more than most people the outside public thinks that it was just how turn everybody this is not a man I was given this isn't it.

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And it's really not that quite true. I mean you know it comes to taxpayers and the you know whether or Jordan's a lot of money that we least get a lot of humans that we needed in a lot of us that we how did the Olympics affect your life puts it in I enjoyed it.

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I had a we went on that we had schedule that you know we all everybody brought food in and we've gone and so your spin and you know want to pin that's the thing here is that we went into a three on three three on two outs. So you are going on in three days but a couple nights here and then we would I think I get to work at six every morning.

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Anyway. And you know what out there every morning like this morning I was here at stake and you would you would leave the six in the eye from them. So you'd work. Twelve three twenty about our days and you'd be for two. In this with no one and every man and you get a five day weekend every third week or so we will get what I want back.

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I lived it. You know I mean that I was here I'm out cause I'm with the lab's it was I was have been in different things. I was in the same hours that I was here so it just writing good umask edgy you know that I got I was six to ten got to be a bird's eye view of what is going on in me in the middle of athletes seeing a lot of coming in and.

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Hearing what happens it was so magical then was that how it all kind of it was changed and you know I just got tons of sand is you know just bagfuls of buttons and you know in the in the badges and in the head and the rolling you know that that like Lanier and I have to have a place up there so I was able to you know see some of that I had good friends that work there too and so that was extreme in that to see that it was a scary time I think on the campus.

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I don't know about where you were but we were so fearful something bad was that we have so much and it was scary to have the military rhyme don't I think as far as enjoying relaxing enjoying this of this Special Olympics for more than Paralympics from our joy we have you know I am I really like the yeah I know that we had to get on top of our build in Montana.

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When the lever is going on. We had a fan motor when they had and you build it and the SO THEY five or six of us was up on top on one of them was when the superintendent from facilities were in the area near one and the next thing I know do you you know we could see coming down first draft.

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Here come the car slammed to the stop but we hear people get now the cars and walking towards you and they get monoculars and they're looking that and then you know all of a C. and O. guy. We know now what I mean you know because. Those people in the helicopter in the blimps it's in pink alone top and on the top of the building so the alarm was raised and it was right and I was people moving around every which way and.

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The supervisor from the facility is right. Having that and he cow. His office and in time his secretary in untouchable. They want him. What's going on because you know we just figured shots to start in Maine and that started already. There was no evidence that I looked at them enough so that I you know do I try think that I think getting exhausted and stranded this.

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Was a pretty exciting time but I really enjoyed it. Just the venture the uncertainty of what was going to happen hoping we'd win a lot of goals hoping that they were to go bad of the whole thing something absolutely. So even with them. I mean you know I had paces so I you know I'll get going.

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How And I mean and I don't have something to leave a third of them never would ever think about again and when you tell people that how big it was then that so many people could be in it and I just really don't believe that they can see how it could be configured that way but it did didn't and yes ma'am.

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We don't find a rough in the Mandan from Gainesville and showed what it was me and said I mean for the you know for them to get here and tell us that this is only one of the many homes he said you know and then you know you know having all these vegies and going through the scanners Yeah.

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And it was so it was so weird because see we were in the love over and I'm already seeing one billion and we still had a lot of people in a system that can believe we were in seven buildings that were ten. You know and we could not drive from one to one.

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Going to another. So we have to go through the little checkpoint at the top of he'll and our parking lot there. And one of the things you have to do is go through the scanner you have to make sure you hand. Ray and. Give you the proper signal and then you go through the scanner with if you had a pocket and asked for a little pin that for any you know anything me you know you had to be somewhere that you could go through what we must say often a couple of students and then at the technician we had a lot of work that had to go on over into the can be I'm.

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So we had to come up with our two boxes who said the moment thing. And the people slap them through we'd walk the beat. We'd see a little tiny mass. No. So you thought of too much and you got screwdrivers it's just long. You got hammers that you could you know everything else in this two box you had made you had last year's harm to people but you know a little pin that you know you can't.

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And we know and we would lie to bad to you know here we be totally when you see all the other athletes you're walking right close Well you know if you had a mad attack and just let them you've got a screwdriver hammer you could beat them up you know thank you.

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I mean it was like it was like your priorities for us. You know and the way it was the rules that were made. So I think I really couldn't figure that out about you know is open to boxing and some I can run like grab whatever two bucks and hit somebody or do something with it and all the whole Ellen think occasion the whole thing from A to B. was just phenomenal thing to be only I was stiff and wonderful it is and I'm really glad I was part of it.

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It was just something that that you cannot really tell somebody might come under study and they if you was there to see it in be part of in your life and the. Just the pride in being hey this is my home turf this is what campus you know they're here.

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You know that sort of. Porton thing about being on the staff here being hard to touche and the pride to taser him. That he got so many bragging points it's hard not to be good at it right. It's really tell me about some of the other characters can you think of anybody.

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We're not talking about that should get a whistle here should get a say how many years you've been working with after one. Not to when or when I was to facilitate is he was just a real you know. So you met him early on. Yes he was very arrogant.

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And he no I mean not Ted and they say somebody because he was arrogant. You know he just comes full yourself rat and to me well and Doc one is a great person. I think a world of him but you know you meet him in the hound and you know I'm just in the country.

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Good morning how you doing. And he would speak to you. Not unlike So I would do everything I could to make you stop and how time and got to be a challenge. In other people would to the likes. I don't want as if and I'm sort of you know if I see this commercial.

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Yeah you know if you're a good guy. But you finally wind down right. But when he becomes the director of a careful engineering. He turned one hundred eighty degrees right there in there and I know he did a lot of have to take research in fluids and that he was you know and he may not have had the time to do a lot of socialize in there but he he's been a very good director.

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I think about K.G.S. as a good director Dr Bradley had for a while. You know it's amazing how we've attracted these really high caliber people who have really made a difference. You know almost definitely So when they're in Dr Winer I've been here a little longer than he has been in service.

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Years he's been it in the ME A little lower than your I think. But I don't know what they're going to. You know when he leaves and that somebody always comes but they'll say you know that's one of my coworkers and the other thing you know they don't know what's going to happen on the last of thirty they've named in their man lying.

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You know right here now but it's not a problem. It's about a member. How did you make a decision that you were going to retire and traffic. There is some traffic and get back to the job. I don't know I do the ride. I love you know I love the people I work with the people I work with is my family.

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Two more waking hours I spend with them than I do with my wife and I you know and of course my children's married and go on and we've got to talk about them and tell me about the people you work with you're gone miss them. Yes I'm good dear.

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Liam is some you know. Like Sam with him so much a time they dippin THE LEAD to do things that A can only and do things you know when we you get a good mixture of people nation them. Ya'll get along just like brothers and sisters. You know as a colony and so you can only each other in we have a job to do and you need to do this job professionally.

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You know what they're going to need you've got to have Don't be a stranger. No they haven't already said that I didn't and I plan on coming back attempted to what's been too much time am I want to rehire back only that the commute has really gotten if you know how to live it at worth in this even twenty five from in marriage forty years or so and we've built the home a little ten miles further know it was my choice to go further but Mary to get to where you need and live if you was in when the NASA vision.

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Mirror is a pain on that is changing pretty quick and get started. There are dodging that millimeter bullets when yet trying to grill a hamburger something that think it is time to move. You know. In the last two years the traffic is still the same way home and several go to more miles for the road so.

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It's just said it's just wears on. Yeah yeah. Is this where you know when it takes you to a high five hour sometime to get home twenty five miles. That's ridiculous. And there's only so many bridges that crosses the Chattahoochee River so you don't have a lot of ways to go when no one in the TELL ME ABOUT will be tell you much or not report was your mama tell me about your wife Janet Janet you met her when you were very young high school.

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You don't know how it was out of how secure the matter was from the man I was volunteer firemen that first district in the amount of he was a regular fireman there. It was on a blind date it was one of his girlfriend's friends and that's away with me a sick **** like convertible with a hold of it and it was winter to zero as I was when my car me and the like.

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Did you quarter the bone for good while I don't know we had the first day the second they think they actually double dated again and probably the then for some reason we didn't see each other for I don't know couple for five maybe two months three months and it would get nothing.

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It was close to Christmas time. There was no research so we had. We had a date missed him I was just you know meet in my car because I guess you get tired of that you know rain snow come in and so I went and made you know menacingly.

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And she was alone and then children also walked in the doorway by was home that you know the sun. Wow and I was right and I would be hands and I'll add to that but then you marry her your time like well we got married in sixty two.

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Yes We we dated know enough about two years ago you were on a sixteen Eastern time. Same thing and I would know I was I was sixteen when I started going out whenever that may and tell me about your children you have three daughters three this one was when this third would be thirteen and now she don't want to hear that I don't know I never started and then I wrote this down for you know the middle daughter son you Liam Hudson.

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You know his daughter is we need in the end restaurant there. So he writes from thirty one to thirty minute and you read that referral what you want to see we're not all female house. Yes in the they would do in this age when they first my first two grandchildren were granddaughters say you know so it's a man you know I've got a grandson that's two and I for years.

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My gosh. I'll just have a good women they write everything knows this and this and I laughed when that when you told me you had three daughters that were married that you had gone through you were father of the bride three times. Yes talk about paying your dues sure but say I'm on the tab of my children and they owe me.

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So you are you know he runs a tab on them. Yeah that's a laugh. EVER EVER every time I give him some I tell him how much as he now you son. The thirty one million to a same day. How do you know if they keep it up for my very.

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If you like your son in law for the Lord I know you are. Yes and I read them a lot their pay and it's I mean they like I have three wonderful son in law. My first son in law curia were true. He's working in the Emmy department.

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He's six foot six and Georgie thing and that's only bad part of my house. Marcy his mom and dad graduated from mechanically engineering at Georgia Tech and I don't want him. But part of the family here you got it right that he works. There's always a league that connects And yes your.

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He's he's a good guy and I say he's a father my two oldest daughters in the home and Christian and kill so you Christians in the last sort of May and she just got back from the Macy's Day Parade and headed out to the Rose Bowl from last year's eve I guess she's Mourad there are many in last year more than this.

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You know have a great back and champions of the man championship or what it is you know so now they get on the phone calls and so you know that's grandparents pay the way it's a sale our list of kids will go you know who buys grandparents you got all the rest you need for yeah you know yes I got a little or so and you know I was like they say yeah you know what I need with this and it's very your job and that's are job for them and that's a list like having a key to your second daughter's husband is you met you mentioned Kerry.

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Carrie McGonigle daughter our second daughter they're going to get his mom AND HE JUST MAKE got mad to have got mad that I forgot to say that it is not that I've said that his name is Max. And that he has two sons and Museum is kind of my grandchildren I'm the one I got your mansion and so that you know we trade.

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I try to train you need every mail that I get that I had to read out of my girls even closer than I try to treat all my grandchildren they call you know what I do for the right to keep you around busy. Yeah. And when he's married to David Russ.

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And I say all of the Davids in business are saying he equipment hollar he owns his own business and they all live in this area pretty much around me. You know he's going youngest daughters one has got a grand. She's one point from the house. So you know this terrible I don't want to take out of time you can have your totally surrounded by family and yes that's going to manage it.

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You know that's great. So when you retire. You've got all these people to amuse you. You become a babysitter as well. And now look around. No no no no no maybe said that. Well my oldest granddaughter she's sixteen so I don't really have She's driving this angry and I don't I got in there with I mean I'm getting no money you say I've got a friend I got a very dry grass and her sister is living between this January and she's in the sports and she's.

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Imagine she's going to get a scholarship somewhere in the hope of it but I don't know the right support will be a question that I see that as good an owl and they have every team around the can. They drafter when she play and they are you going to have a lot to do with Rand and yeah and we always try to you know get in their mother and father both here and when I was you know you know always worry about your children how good of a parent they would make and they made good parents is that great you know pretty much out of the doggone good you're so now you're going to be home for breakfast lunch and dinner me home for breakfast.

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Maybe I don't know if your wife's going to have so they have us that maybe you have got plenty of things to keep you busy. I mean is what your firm plan but stamina last wavers first that's a good smart move your philosophy will get you far my friend the person thinks because she's not retiring her life is going on and now she's retired several jobs over yeah because she didn't retire take care you don't like a lot of the doc at that stuff and then they have guarantees that when your outdoor person you know they have an issue they have been we have a lake house and need a little work you'll be putting all the time we get a house and I'm trying to get my basement finished in the at work and so now I have to work for me and I need a place to stay.

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You know the place you crossed her path that you know so you actually have a lot of construction in which you didn't want to do is coming back to you you're going to have no man I always done the side jobs for people to professors and staff and I will have and I imagine that will go on and it's still good but the difference is you can pick and choose and that's that whether or not.

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Yeah and I don't have one of the drive out to rush hour drive home and this didn't have to do it just on Saturdays and sometimes you get emergency Sundays because. As occasionally you know you you know you the horse gets these you got to pull them out.

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So you've got to work on Sundays the life that you have to it and then there are either long that sends that can see that's what I'm really looking forward to stopping is working to put it in that in this driving home and then going back the next you know that's really great and I don't I don't think everybody's aware of how much time you know different departments have to put you know to make this place go and go as the only time when we've done our big one of our big lives to get part of you know there was no leaks that I would get were from ninety eight hours a week here on campus.

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Ninety eight hours was my highest week human that lowest was sixty four hours and most of it was saved obviously not protected by a union. You know but you don't get paid the salary yet you know you know get that's an extra four but that's part of the loyalty and you know that's what I figured goes along with it's funny because when you travel and when you're working with the alumni relations and traveling want to put Boston with you're so lucky you get to go to games or me and then I don't know how much I don't know of NO NO NO game unless I'm great.

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You know I don't know if you know Greg or not that he were with them a lot and you seen on T.V. a lot right in the code words and then he go. He's busy I mean you know you think that what you think you know. But there's always another story behind the story is that yes I'm a I'm deadly when you think back.

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Now this week is coming to an end way too fast and we're going to be out here on Thursday Friday is your I have to be here for you have to be here if I think if it's you signing that day. You know you check and he turns out you get your a late show or you go to a park and you do everything you have to retire.

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You have to work the less work in the world who are here to be your friend. I will. Be here Friday and I'll be going to I had to be here now I know but I don't know part of you may be the only one here Friday rest of people don't show up but a lot of them then I guess I'm not really tired but what do you think back it's going to be it's going to be a day for you and touching time to sit back and walk away and say OK accepting retirement from here and we got more good memories than bad.

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Gosh yes. In fact you have very few bad memories. I don't really I don't really have per se bad memories. You know I have memories of my parents place the way it was working here but theoretically bad memories want to to some word but God knows what the or that meant so.

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Years ago. So if it's really been an enriching experience. I wouldn't trade it for nothing but I think again here. All the great place all the kids you influenced all the knives you make better by Richard touch on that. That comes back five times you know. My first earning him me I had a big football player.

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It worked for me. John Winston Dorsey return it for me good friends and still keep in touch and visit one another. Priceless. And he had a broken leg so they read showed him but you didn't back then you didn't have any football players in the you had him doing a lot of yeah they were mostly I am rod and so he he was already married and he was here he built the house and overseeing his house would keep me updated you know the amount of stuff that I learned in use really great and you know a lot of the cities are going So it's like they get the free education and when they were with someone.

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Well just to know that you made it. Difference in somebody's life or to influence some judgment positively It's a wonderful reward. Definitely. So you don't get that in the contracting business so very much only and you know I say this not like you see on T.V.. Yes I will have Yeah but not everybody doesn't turn out to be about them and so you learn a lot about life and about giving and that risk.

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You took that chance for that few months to stay out of the weather three months four months you know it be outside I just I can imagine through your eyes just thinking back of all the wonderful characters that you've been exposed to and all the wonderful opportunities that it was if you don't work under presidents like your Dr Pettit and and currently you're working under Dr class we did and there were even mentioned Dr Chris our Dr cut but there's cast at the right going on.

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So you were her son was you know he was matter of fact he was a woman and I got my twenty five year plan from was not decrease and you know just time. My dad where that twenty five years ago I knew in them. Some people if you will.

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How do you mean here twenty thoughts are when you know if you don't wake up you'll be there for yeah. Just when I got a paper of the many years I've been awake and then I mean it's just it is. The time is went by so fast about I don't realize I was in there been told about it is you know you hear a lot of these days of your years of your last between fifteen and sixteen years when he's you driving lesson twenty twenty will you go to a bar.

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Yes I can't tell sort of well you're never Yeah those of a line years and I don't rust if I just I just sat back in the space if you get married in get you're in the you know with the I'm in the what is to them. Your time is they saying you know when you're so security office number.

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Let me see if I can get some money coming up how many years. Will you have completed. Not exactly. Thirty six years three months. Thirty six years and in this case it's everybody so somebody shows up on Friday. It's been a pleasure hearing your story you tell me I was going to I wasn't going to be interested and it's been fascinating.

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It's been fascinating to see through your eyes what this institution is was a good place I would recommend it. And I'd rather be here. You know not for everybody not only the national people and you've got to realize that I've seen people that could not adapt to the Institute and the scene people can only count on my son in law for his I'm not bragging on him because he's a George again but he comes out own and I've seen and you've got but he he's worked in it before men around people.

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But you know he he didn't work for me I didn't have to do with it but I watched his progress and he caught on the quick is of me about I've ever seen kitchen to how things used to is and that's a very interesting thing it is what it is the whole process is unique in unto itself.

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How things get done that I know and that's the tragic part about you leaving is because you are a keeper of how those things get done and whoever comes in behind two is going to have to learn that process and they'll be a lag time there are no they go away in my way and they say that in that way.

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It's got to be done in those that you know once you catch on to the tech or you do in something and then you're become invaluable get you get it made me made a lot of wonderful memories but I think it's just great. Knowing that we were in good hands while you were here I hope we survive without Jim and yet we know that looking at all the years since the school opened in one thousand nine hundred eight that somehow it always carries I was here a pretty good percentage of that.

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Think about it. Deborah. That's a line on history that we have here and we're just very grateful to you for sharing your story with us today. Thank you Fred cylinder for me and here. I'm really really glad you did I was worried when I committed they were good enough.

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They were very very lax with your questions and they really got well thanks for sharing with us. It's been a pleasure thank you.