Thank you for coming.

This is.

To this session on collaborative research
on health in the College of Design.

Dean French had hoped to moderate this so.

But he got pulled away at the last
minute so he asked me to step in so

I'm acting dean for the for the hour.

The rest of the semester
is cancelled No I.

I can't do that but.

That.

I could cancel the week sure so it is but.

That.

He has he asked me to
mention that this issue of

health is of importance to the college

part of the reason why we organized this
is that from a research perspective the.

The majority of research funding in the
College of Design is related to health.

And this happens at multiple scales and
I'm very pleased that

that we have four schools represented
among the four faculty presented here

you'll hear four different
perspectives on health and

on scale of research and
design what I'm going to ask you

to do rather than introducing you
all now is just take a minute or

two at the beginning of your of your
presentation to to introduce yourself.

You are I've asked all of
the presenters including

myself to keep our presentations
to five minutes and

what I would like you to do
please is to hold your your.

Questions and
applause standing ovations until the end

and and that also another request is

this session is being recorded so
during the discussion period.

Wait for the mike to come to you so
that this gets recorded.

Before this viral session gets
put on on on the Internet so.

That.

In the interest of time I'm just going
to we're going to go through this

in alphabetical order so there is no.

Suggestion of importance maybe
inversely as Zimring but.

But this is so we are you're
going to see four very different.

Pictures of health and
health research and and

obvious links to the teaching program
here in the in the college and

the goal of this really is to set up this
discussion period where we can begin to

think more about how we can work together
how we can gauge students in this work how

we can engage our faculty colleagues
more deeply in in this so please.

Look at that with that limbs in mind so
let's get into it and Minutes

colleagues please I get that when you see
it in your district this is the right

thing all right six minutes or counting
they want to read the introduction.

To bowling the Fessor industrial
design here and I'm also the So C.

a CIO of the partment and
my work focuses on understand size and

shape of the human body and
it's been my research and

professional practice for
most of my career and I run.

By the skin lab here in Georgia Tech and
what we do is we have a variety

of interesting equipment that allows us to
get the precise shape of the human body

and then we take those scans so here
you seeing a very interesting piece of

equipment which is your scan is what
actually allows you to scan the inside

of the year and capture spaces
that you couldn't previously.

So you say that that's something
that's very interesting for

me to work with and I'm going to
pass a little ear around here so

that you can play with it
don't worry it's a three D.

printers no nothing to be afraid of
then we take that information we bring

it to Cat systems and
we design the things in CAD and so

that's a software and then of course
from the cat we can quickly three D.

printed things from it so

we can actually not only see things
on screens if you recognize him.

If you see things on screens but we can
also quickly visualize what a product

might look like so if we wanted to look at
something like a mask for viral protection

or we wanted to understand how eyeglasses
fit we can print not only the person but

the object and look at the interface
in between that it's not strictly

health care but obviously there's
going to be a lot of opportunities so

here's a way to create a very
complex object for peace for you or.

We have a lot of program design
studios that provide opportunity for

health related work and so

I've listed some of the entry points here
and so we have those in undergraduate and

graduate so we also have a specialty
an interactive products so we're talking

about smart products and the Internet of
Things and how those next generations

of products could help in understanding
health care and people's wellness so we

have an interactive product design course
studio that Jim but teaches and then we

have to help design studios one from
John who's looking at a more inclusive.

Design principles and Herb who's
a professor of practice who had a lot of

industry research and then in the capstone
design studio it's a fine approach

there's the opportunity there for health
related projects that's the undergraduate

in the M I D We have the grad
studio which is a fourteen week.

Study that we can work on
all sorts of interesting.

Projects we have our major project which
is the final year sort of thesis so

it's a twelve credit year long project and
we're looking for interesting and

innovative products there then we
have health care design of future by

its own elective professors and
ring and then using

one of the things that we're looking for
and

that's dropped off the slide
is as designers we need

very mature design propositions to
work from you know I talked about

a year long thesis project if we have
a student who's working on a health issue

it may take that entire year just to
understand what the problem is so

we're really interested in working with
people who have already done the research

been working in this area for a long time
and using that as a starting point and

using your expertise to allow us to get
a deeper and more robust project from

our side we're also looking for context so
we want to go to the environments

we want to be able to access the experts
and that's very difficult to do as

an outsider in the short projects that
we're looking for that from from our

health care researchers as well and
then from our side we provide three

basic things we provide design research
which is a different method and

see evidence based research is that's
where we look at people and problems and

experiences that we provide
communication so we can take ideas and

bring them to life in a variety of forms
whether it's a printed thing or whether

it's commercial or whether it's a story a
board or whether it's an experience these

are skills that we can do very quickly and
then the final thing that we can do is we

can also create innovative ideas
quickly to test hypothesis on.

Some potential projects that we've.

We've talked about briefly is for example
of a database of children which is very

difficult to access that engineers health
care workers and designers could use so

this is a series of digital human
tools smart health care products so

the whole idea of Internet of Things and
fitting the body better in custom

solutions in patient systems using
AI's approach it working with

the professors simmering on the House
worked out very well experienced.

Designed for health care facilities
health care facilities have the.

Rich research potential for design
in terms of the entire experience of

complex human issues going on and
then Smart home health care products and

services the natural one for
us thank you very much.

Thank you.

So my name is Nisha poached way
I'm a professor of city and

regional planning here at Georgia Tech
still with in my introduction time

I would like to just highlight a few the
folks who are in the healthy places lab.

Take Davis Grace grads are praising their.

CONNELL I miss anyone.

And then we have a few others who
aren't here with us today and

so I'm going to walk you through a few of
our projects which you see on the screen

represents a project that we have
been working on for about two or so

years now they're measuring
the dream project and

I'll just highlight on that what you
see is the measuring the dream index

that starts in one nine hundred fifty
four to two thousand and fourteen

starting in one nine hundred fifty four
we were at about zero point four five.

To realize equity in America you
have to get to one so we're at about

zero point four five for the health index
right about point six point six seven and

then you can see that we improve over time
and we actually get to point nine one for

health and we get to a point
seven zero point seven six for

the actual dream index and so you may
be thinking well while that's really

wonderful what great progress we're making
in health but why are we making that

progress and help or making that progress
because of the opioid epidemic so this is

why it's first it's blacks again from one
nine hundred fifty to twenty fourteen and

the aged just adjust to death rate so
we're seeing more middle aged white men in

this period dying from the opioid epidemic
twenty five to forty four years old versus

improvements in African-American health so
we should see the continued improvement

overall but we're not seeing that we can
come back to that as we get to the Q.

and A And so that's the measuring
the dream project is funded by

the Ford Foundation and
open society and I collaborate with

Andrea young we're hoping to do some
additional analysis beyond the end.

Looking at text analysis of.

Of.

The speeches presidential speeches and

other speeches I've also
collaborated with who had heard.

From the Center for G.I.'s and
were hoping to do some additional analysis

using the growing a healthy
Fulton County project which these images

represent This is stable healthy
Future Cities project isn't it

National Science Foundation funded
project looking at how we plan

the Healthy Future Cities across the globe
understanding that we're going to see

population explosion over
the next forty to fifty years and

so that's in partnership with TED RUSSELL
in environmental engineering and

you can see some of that represented here
Tate Davis has been helping us a lot with

the relationship with seismic So we have
a K twelve connection with the N.S.F.

project that I can talk a bit more about
as well and then the last one I'll give

you a bit more detail on is the National
Physical activity Research Center at that

is a four university research center it
includes U.C. San Diego Johns Hopkins and

the state and us here at Georgia Tech and
we are working here at Georgia Tech on

the you think gateman in action for
health project otherwise known as yeah or

you may or whichever phrase you want
to use we also have the place for

each project which I'd love to tell you
more about so please ask me about it so

there you can get an action for
health project we have for

study aims the data that I'll give you and

probably the last two minutes that
I have focuses on youth agencies so

what to what degree do kids feel that
they can impact the community outside of

themselves or impact someone else so
we are working with underrepresented

minorities African-Americans Latino
Asian American Pacific Islanders and

Native Americans we know
that while childhood.

The city is leveling off we're not seeing
an increase or decrease there's a leveling

of childhood obesity there is still a
significant increase in these populations

I think we're close to thirty thirty
five percent for Pacific Islanders and

Native Americans Chinese Chinese
kids are youth

are are at about eleven percent
prevalence for overweight or obese or

overweight so this is our study population
you can see that we're all over the US

including piano and Hawaii which is
fun and we get to do site visits

so it's nice to be able to go and
see those folks so

this is a lead in Washington D.C.
This group of kids identified the track at

their school as their intervention they
pitched the idea to their principal and

the track will be paved so
they can increase physical activity for

that community and you can just see
that when we look at issues of agency

primarily with regards to being a leader
in joint physical activity and so

on African-Americans report
that they have more agency or

feel that they have more
agency than Asian American and

I'll just end with some C.D.C.
opportunities that you can read for

yourself on the slide C.D.C. the office
of the director would like to collaborate

with the design school in these two
areas to start structural design

solutions active living in rural
areas are the two areas and so

we can discuss that as we transition
to the discussion thank you.

Well good morning I'm drawn Sanford and

I am the director or
excuse I am the director.

Here or.

Are you counting my time
in this district was.

All right thank you so
I'm the director of the Center for.

Assistive technology and
environmental access

which is located now over off campus
on Main Street behind the old

engineers bookstore I'm
also a professor in design.

I want to start out by just saying
that Kitty is probably one of the if

not the most multidisciplinary
center on Georgia Tech's campus

we have Me I'm an academic faculty and
have a background in architecture but

we have ten research scientists that
represent psychology double the M.E.

gerontology occupational
therapy public health.

Science and anthropology and
I'm sure I missed something in there but

a lot of them are located around
the room we have five Ph D.

students in architecture and
ID We have master students an idea

we have five undergraduate students
that represent a lot of different.

Disciplines on campus we have an O.T.
in turn we have a visiting scholar

in computer science and
we have four of sundry staff.

I put it together a list of the current
and recently completed projects and

try to make it as big as possible
to get it all in one slide but

the real issue here is how many things we
have it's really that they're divided into

three different sort of focal
areas one is work outcomes

one is another is bathroom transfers and
another is community mobility and

these projects are distributed amongst
a number of different people at the center

we currently have at least one project
in each of those areas that are funded.

The one that we're just
developing personally is dealing

with sustainable communities and
farmers' markets as a.

Community Center to be able
to engage older adults

in particular in better
nutrition better mobility and

and enable enabling them to sustain their
communities as their skills to climb.

So the real issue is what do all these
things have to do with health how do they

all together what is health
how does ability work and

transfer mobility also fit together
when in fact they seem to be pretty

disparate things so
the notion of hell is here one that

that I subscribe to is based on
the World Health Organization and

in their current Their constitution way
back in one nine hundred forty seven

they defined health as
complete physical mental and

social well being and not merely
the absence of disease or infirmities So

that was in one nine hundred forty seven
or eight so I think it's actually forty

seven it took them fifty years half a
century to actually figure out what this.

In two thousand and one which is a little
more than half a century they came out

with a model called the International
classification of functioning disability

and health and
what this says is that basically health or

healthy addition interaction of body
function structure that is your physical

self and your mental self
the activities that you engage in those

are things like tasks bathing or
toilet for example and

participation and social role so that is
those things that you do with other people

it's interaction with Vironment that would
be those things that we deal with in

the in the College of Design and
personal factors that is habits and

attitudes your age other things that
aren't necessarily part of your

physical self those thing all
interact to create health so

what does this really look like if
you take aging for example which.

Which we do a lot of work in if you
have age related changes you might have

yellowing of the lens the loss of muscle
mass loss of bone density which then

impacts your ability to Bay toilet
drive engage in outdoor mobility and

work tasks Aha So those are the things
that we're doing research but

not just in the activities it impacts your
ability to engage in work as is as as and

participate in your role in life as
somebody who goes to work it and

it affects your ability to engage
in community events it affects your

ability to visit with friends so
as you lose these abilities and

activities you also lose your ability to
participate which affects your health and

the environment can either support or it
can create barriers to this to happen so

what we do it can see if we
mostly have the barriers and

we try and understand those barriers
to create facilitators to be able to.

Change the environment
in order to minimize

the reduction in activity and
to maximize participation so

this last slide shows one of
the projects that we have that actually.

I had separate on the first slide because
this cuts across campus this is a.

Rehab Engineering Research Center
on technologies for

aging with disability and
it involves people from H.C.I.

from Emory Interactive
Media Technology Center ID.

A couple of Ph D.

students also psychology and
biomedical engineering and

the blue on the slide indicates those
projects that sort of fit into those

three categories that I talked about
mobility which also involves Gates be

smart bathroom technologies which is about
transferring and a lot of health and

wellness kinds of issues so what we've
done is we've brought together or

this model across campus not just
within the college if we can do that

across campus the goal here is
to then look more within and

see what we can do within the college
to be able to create synergies and

collaboration's focused on these areas
of interest that all involve our health.

OK.

So.

I'm Craig Zimring I'm
a professor of architecture and

the director of the simply great design
lab let me introduce a few people

the associate director Jennifer do both.

And we have a number of people
here if you currently or

I've recently worked in
our lab raise your hand.

So we've got a number of Ph D.

students in and
others who work with us and

you'll hear some of their
names as we go forward so.

This gives just a small flavor
of some of things we do and

then I'm going to focus on
an area of work and then.

Talk about the late breaking
opportunity that I think

a number of people here
might be interested in so.

In the upper left of the screen
it's showing up from

current project we have with
the Centers for Disease Control.

Emory and Georgia state where
we're looking at how the design

of the built environment can make it
safer for it both the workers high level

workers in a bio containment unit to take
off their personal protective equipment so

we do full scale mock ups
on the right we do issues

of the the spatial analysis
that about communication and

other things in the lower left we
do a lot of spatial analysis that

links to work by our colleagues here like
Sonic and John proponents and others.

And we work with people who
are interested in visioning projects and

we'll talk about that in a few minutes.

One of our cross-cutting themes is that as

health care shifts it's moving from
resolving a specific complaint

not just the twenty minutes of that time
when you go in with a sore throat or

a sore back but
really towards population health for

resolving a number of not only physical
and psychological and lifestyle issues and

part of that is about how do you get
medical teams to work effectively so

that the nutritionist talks to the
physician who talks to the pharmacist and

so we have a series of work last
year with the military help.

System right now with
the with Mayo Clinic.

Soon with the V.A. about how you design
primary clinic primary care clinics

to move from a single relationship with a
provider to a patient working with a team.

And that we were coming up with
principles and ways to do that and

that I should say from the College
of Design perspective these clients

are seeing that the built
environment including technology is

a way of moving towards team based
care and more comprehensive care and

the graphic on your left is showing
where team rooms can be located in

a large study that we did for the N.H.S.
last year let me let me talk just for

a minute or two about this kind
of late breaking opportunity and

I should say that the point for this
is Jennifer Dubose if you're if you're

interested in this potentially which
is that the Emory Brain Health Center

which is a combination of the Department
of Neurology neurosurgery

psychiatry sleep rehab
I may be missing one.

Is building in executive park.

North through it hills and Briar Cliff if
you know that area a comprehensive center

to deal with brain health and
that they have asked for our help in short

over the next few months to plan what this
would be which would be a physical place.

That would start by helping people
with mild cognitive impairment.

To stay home a day program to educate or
maybe rehabilitate people so

that people with early also armors or
other mild cognitive impairment

could stay home longer but then they see
this is an opportunity to link to home

with things like sensors and
wearables and many other things.

And then they see this broadening very
quickly to other opportunities around

brain injury and autism and and

depression and other issues
the opportunity there here is to

bring together the near environment
of design of the home or

the community to what
goes on in this in this

campus they have a large donor that they
believe is going to get this going so

it's a lot of opportunities so
we're certainly interested in in.

Hearing your ideas and

finding ways to incorporate your interest
as much as possible into this project.

So.

That I think is probably enough that and

only just to explain the diagram they're
going to over time on that site hope to

build a hospital of the future for
Brain Health they hope to build

clinical care programs trust translational
research and this is an opportunity for

us to participate in a much larger
discussion the Georgia Tech and Emory and

Georgia state are having about
all things brain right so

this will include over time F.

M.R.I. and brain scanning and
lots of other sort of hardware wetware

intensive things but they see the role
of the environment and this is a way for

us to participate in an active way
in that discussion OK thank you for

your attention this now is on you so
we have thirty minutes or

twenty five minutes to
begin to have a discussion.

I hope that.

Can somebody help us with this Mike so
that the people who

who are asking questions or
making comments can get recorded or.

Is that OK So

we're walking around and now it was.

So so so.

The goal of this is to help think
about how we as a college can

respond to emerging
health needs in society.

How we can help prepare students to
participate in this exciting world

how we can thrive in research.

You know how the world
will come to answer C.

process question which is you know
what does Georgia Tech think.

So please.

Speak up so that the mike can hear you.

Right.

Exactly.

Right there you know.

There.

Are.

Three where.

There.

Are.

There really.

Is.

And there's a fabulous comment.

And let me ask the panel how

how do we take up this challenge
of breaking down our silos.

So I'll I'll start place and
then toss it on to others so

I think there are perhaps two big
challenges there are one is language and

the other is theory or
there frameworks that are disciplines are.

Are are founded are or are founded by so

when you think about language in public
health by me say you know R.C.T.

is the gold standard or I may say that you
have to follow a certain study design and

you would know what I'm talking about
because you don't have the public health

language R.C.T.'s or animal control
trial or the mice control trial and so

I think we have to be able to
understand the other language so

we can actually figure out
what that problem is and

how to get to a solution but
then also understanding the theories in

the framework that the other disciplines
get too so I think the public health and

built environment class that I
teach provides in a broad overview

of design feel it's generally and public
health and so that's the beginning but

I do agree that we need to continue the
conversation beyond that class and other

classes to these kinds of conversations
and then the Applied Research.

You know I think from from our point of
view the barrier in the silos of just sort

of melted away over the last few years
in terms of what it does lead to does

the thing we need is to to as I said
when you're talking to get sort of

mature propositions that
we know where we can.

Access and where we can help with
the studios a great place to

explore some of these issues where we
are projects with the are brought to us or

Roman issues directly like this to do
quick look at it to see what we could come

up with creatively as opposed to a long
term study so that's one of the things

we can do to use look at things very
quickly and see if we can find some.

Opportunities there to improve
the situation your family and

I would need to say you know you
understand the language you're going to.

Work but also we do that on
the first you know goals.

We're going to get that
we're going to we're.

Going to arm.

You might you know our motto no eyes
you know model is not just for.

Those of you who are the whole family
with all of these others you knew where

they would come from policy wise
where their lives are on the.

Ground.

Here if you work while you have do
you have to give everybody else.

In order your radio is.

Not going to do this.

So my my strategist much simpler which is

it really starts with collisions and
free food.

So that I think that if we can
get together we meet each other

we have more specific discussions we
see each other the second or third or

fourth time some number of those will
turn into a potential collaboration's.

And so it's it's a more kinetic
process I think initially.

And it's more bottom up his
long as it's free food or

those of you who are over
twenty one liquor.

Then we can you know
then then I think that

some of these more difficult
things may follow other questions.

Comments Yes please.

I mean.

Really very.

Yes.

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Right absolutely.

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Right.

Right.

So let me make sure I
understand the question so

if somebody is doing it a master's
thesis or dissertation How does

that become a collaborative
project is that the question or.

Are you.

Right.

So I think the more specific question I
mean I think all of this is true but your

specific question really was how do we how
do we build collaboration into theat and

to master species in dissertations so
we don't.

Want to write.

It all are very very.

So awful you know.

That.

You see that.

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Here.

So what so.

Let me jump in and you guys can respond
which is said in a simple great design lab

we've moved something to something
more like a science lab model where

many it's not a requirement but
many dissertations and theses are part

of a project that people are working on so
it's collaborative in that sense but

then they carve out something that's the
student's own intellectual contribution

but the idea being that what we bring is
colleagues and what we bring is data and

contact with settings but then we have
to pay attention to you know what.

Individual IP but
it's a much richer setting than

if they were doing something entirely
different I don't see a problem with that.

I think for

us it's just information to know what's
available what they're working on and

this is just communication in the room
what's what's going on and how we can.

Access that and
work with that of course the other major

problem with it just for collaboration
is one person is on the hook for

the mark and they don't control how much.

Input the other person really they have to
THE LEAD and they've been where they can

but the without a sort of common
degree how could you make it equally

important to all parties some of it also
in our cases is simply again kinetic which

is Crystal spent some time sitting in our
lab and she hangs out with our students

getting a master's in industrial design
I think she's benefited from that so

I think the you know simply
having these encounters helps to.

Other questions yes please.

Say.

Something or.

Well.

I mean push right.

Or you know or is are.

You consider investing.

The population here when her life.

Or open days into their goals are.

Really down to people with.

You know their narrative with
the what is even more so

yes I agree that the scale that we're
working at is then as the nation so

we have one data point per year.

Or in two data points black white or
here we it's taken off almost a year and

a half maybe to find data long
six different categories and

then we have four to six
variables per category so

you know eighteen months to find national
level data for some populations back to

nine hundred fifty some some of that data
we actually had to transcribe from P.B.S..

So it's challenging to get that now
where we could incorporate that sub

population data is post nine
hundred eighty probably but

we would have to figure out how to best
integrate that in the overall scheme.

It's a very good question
when you look at.

Vulnerable populations whether
it's disability income.

And whatever in the framework it is
because we all have vulnerabilities.

It's just hard to integrate all
that data and to get the data on.

Top So the overall for
the next one considering.

Says.

Your mouth that.

Are.

These are.

The things that are very
pleasing here and.

I'd love to have somebody
that Devon to work with.

So that So if they they.

What was your answer so the question was

Have you taken into consideration
specifically in your ear research.

That.

The challenge of people
who wear hearing aids.

No we're just getting started with that
I'd love to have some of the background to

put together the numbers and and
so what what I hear from that

is here's an opportunity for collaboration
you know let me just have to.

Direct your questions or go you.

Really what I see here.

And I do really.

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understand the utility is really.

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Other comments or questions.

Yes please.

If.

You think.

So.

They're.

Good well when I put together teams for
the projects I want to find people who.

Provide the expertise
in particular areas and

sometimes I can find that in our
college area here at Georgia Tech but

often it's going across to other
schools whether it be Emory or

all the way to you San Diego so
it really just depends on what

the rules are of the project and
one of the things I like to do is to

scaffold opportunities we have a broader
team to grow a bigger project and

a bigger impact and I think the more
you do interdisciplinary work and

process organizational work
you can have that bigger and.

So I think that.

All of their merging there's roughly two
kinds of funding opportunities some that

are problem oriented right this brain
health village that I talked about

is really about helping people stay home
longer more effectively if you have mild

cognitive impairment that is inherently
a multi-disciplinary thing and

you know they encourage
multi-disciplinary but

they couldn't do it without that
I think there are other kinds

of opportunities through traditional
funding agencies and I H N.S.F. and others

although that's changing some which are
really disciplinary based it's reviewed by

a peer review committee of people in
a discipline sometimes and that's

harder to do in a multi-disciplinary
way so that sort of the.

You know so
I think that's harder to do but I think.

Based work like yours and

others is inherently multi-disciplinary
the question there's.

A topic for a whole nother discussion
about how you actually make this work

with language and different tenure if
you're a faculty member different tenure

criteria and funding streams and so
but here we are really starting with

with the topical level and trying to
identify ways that people are interested

in if we can start that then we can have
this more sort of on the ground discussion

hopefully to begin to resolve some of
those things other comments yes please.

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So one thing that year I think
it's an excellent suggestion and

I think that maybe an early step would be
to identify all the courses in the college

which now touch on health that
Rogers kind of started on but

several of them are represented around to
school instructors are represented around

this table but I don't know that there's
a centralist anywhere with a little bit of

of content and some suggestions
about sequence and background So

even just assembling that list
would be a really cool thing.

I think.

So you know maybe there are some
relatively simple first steps and

then maybe a follow on step would be
to to think about certificates or

some other things that students could
come away with and I should say that

there's a tremendous We we teach a health
care design of the future class this

semester and there's tremendous interest
in this from elsewhere on campus we have

ten biomedical engineering undergraduates
we have people from robotics and

other disciplines so
there is no central place where health and

health care is discussed
at Georgia Tech and

we can help lead that initiative I
think Jennifer if you have a common.

So I would like to take advantage of

announcing two new tenure
track positions in that.

But I can't unfortunately but let me.

Let the you know school director and
associates what.

Yeah so so I guess the question let me

leave this to you all who can
speak to this which is that.

Beyond the individual
interest of students and

the entrepreneurial interest
of research researchers and

faculty how do we embed this
in what we do and how do we.

Create some assured continuity
in these topics and

then how do we communicate that for
recruiting and other things.

Well I think you want to walk
here right from the right.

If you.

Are over funded from home and
you are in your.

Car it's a little of your universe.

We're going to borrow.

A great opportunity rear.

Room.

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National all.

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leverage there we're.

Right I'm.

Right here we're always a good rule so
I have two or three ideas.

One is that I'll start with planning so
planning with our strategic.

Work that we're starting now for next
year has a primary focus on health and

integrating health in what we do courses
and research and a whole host of things

we have a certain concentration in
environment in health planning and so

that's one of the ways that
it's being integrated but

I guess that the second
area is that the C.D.C.

really wants to establish relationships
with us in design and so one example is

that structural design example where they
are trying to address the SICA fire so

how do we deal with mosquito borne
vector borne diseases like the one

we think about housing design
landscape design around the homes.

Small items that we use at home that me
capture water or allow water to flow so

we don't have mosquitoes laying
eggs those are design problems

that the folks at the C.D.C. with Andy
even Ph D.'s don't know how to solve and

so I think if we think more creatively
about how design can solve problems.

That we see today in the forecast
problems of the future

I think we can really have a seat at the
table and then the last thing I'll note.

In schools of medicine there
actually teaching design thinking.

At UVA and I forget the other school
although it's somewhere in Philadelphia

they're teaching design things to and
deeds to medical students and so

how do you take the energy of design
process and apply it to medicines to

actually get a better result at the other
end I think we have real opportunities

to engage in these spaces but
it's crankset it's having conversations.

Over and over again and then you'll see
it seeth plans so let me let me direct.

Sorry just one quick second so
those of you who are we have

young faces in the audience great so
how do you make these issues.

Exciting to your colleagues who at
least people of our age believe that

your colleagues think that
they are immortal and

therefore you don't have
to deal with health care.

And you'd rather deal with new widgets so
how do you make this visible important.

Because I think we can demonstrate like
you know that if you'll get a job and

have an impact in the world but it doesn't
seem sexy to relieve some students so

how do we make this visible you know.

I don't really.

Like it.

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You know.

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Very bright.

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get your house and I think you know.

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get that shot where he's been.

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know right yes but I don't know.

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make it relevant

to your daily experience is what
you're saying Yeah I think it's great.

Yeah yeah.

Yeah.

Sure health not just health care but

health applies to people
of every age obviously.

And I think it's just to build on your
comment I know so you have four hundred

graduates working your lab we have four
in our lab and maybe there are some more

formal process of creating undergraduate
internships either for credit or money.

That get people in bedded early and

I should say that some of our you know
we always know that the undergraduates

are there where they graduate students
are smarter than the faculty and

the undergraduates are smarter than
the graduate students at Georgia Tech.

So if we we have I mean our
our integration to make

great contributions so if we can embed
them I think that may be a way of doing it

there are to get back to your earlier
question comment Jim is that.

There's a model that we haven't tried at
least in architecture which is Clemson for

example has developed over
years of health care design

master of architecture track
where you get a regular.

Her M.R. should agree it's not an M.S.
It's an M.R. But

you learn basic design
principles in the context of.

Health care design so you still learn
drawing in spatial analysis and health

systems but they turn out eight people
year who have a specialisation in that and

they get hired at twenty twenty
thousand dollars a year more than

are students who have a more
general arch and so maybe there

is a more structured track that takes
a little while to establish but then.

You know they get five offers so you know.

Another that he didn't do last.

Time.

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mean you would say last.

Time you look at all of the year and.

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of you know how we're classes

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lives or mobility is about
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Room No more OK so
it's twelve zero one we we have time for

three one breath questions or comments
first crack tonight just jump in and

say more vertically integrated projects
are V.I.P.'s our framework that's already

used at Georgia Tech found could serve
a great as a solution here and perhaps

that something that the four of us and
others could that is all that great on.

There are really really
really really really.

OK We were running a little late but

let's let's get everybody's voice
in if we can but please be quick.

And we.

Found out.

That you know you know as you know finding
some you know there was another comment

over here OK Lost lost your chance
to move to more Go ahead please.

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Yeah and tell us who you are.

Wonderful so yes please.

Sure.

Right.

Great great great suggestion
last one last comic.

It's a great place to end because that's
a fantastic resource for all of us

from students to faculty you're bringing
us together multi-disciplinary way and

you bring health and other environmental
things in under the same umbrella so

thank you for doing that but and

vertically so it's a it's a great
asset thank you for doing that.

Much more to be said but
we're standing between here and lunch so

let's let's let this be the first
of many discussions and

we'll look forward to continuing
to talk to you about this.