So you are going to sign on with your own living and you're listening to what you're saying very little bit more about the books that you're selling books you want everyone to get drawn regarding OK we will be announcing the winner and you should contact information so that we can get back before I pass through to me. However I want you to shoot one of our librarians who deals with our science fiction collection here and he's going to tell you just a few minutes about fact he's got a fire in the back of our science fiction collection yet from the same table dork and see them after the remark that we have probably at least books. All right everybody just briefly a little bit about the Georgia Tech science fiction collection library slugger science fiction books and academic books about science fiction. Lisa's Professor voted for it sort of teaching the topic in the in the one nine hundred seventy in the late ninety's after his retirement from tech but they are first of all science fiction collection to the library the but for the collection which contains more than my thousand books magazines actually legacy really more science fiction than donations to the point where you know Nations outnumbered the items in the system but the collection because of the growing size and complexity of the collection we have recently renamed the Georgia Tech science fiction you know holds more than ten thousand books and complete or nearly gone away runs of important matters. Including the analog galaxy and we also have grown collections of dancing instrumentation France and Europe and along most of these items can be used in the reading room for tech archives. We are actually darker an increasing number of these books are Check out the new circulating science fiction which is located on my pretties. And we also have our current descriptions to do academic science fiction and trade and titles my love is yours and your science fiction. Those are also real. So overall the science fiction will actually supports recreational reading coursework and go research on campus and beyond but also probably others to give us a regular basis and I'm happier too I really can offer another doc today so I'll be happy with your thanks acted like I should like to love everyone I've enjoyed these talking. Thanks for coming out today. Thank you. Everybody to both of the guys have the mike still working. So it's great to be back at the Tour tech I spent a very long time here and got my doctorate and everything part of that at Tech so I'm very familiar with all the buildings on the campus as you may know from looking at the books if you've read the books I like to but before I talk about the books. Bud put was a great guy and his science fiction course that I took here was a privilege to be able to get his perspective on a field that that you know who just you know change the course of my life. But I don't write science fiction right now I'm so I have some science fiction coming out next year but everything that I have published recently is urban fantasy and I like to describe it as urban fantasy for techno geeks because it fills in real locations real science made up science and a whole bunch of other things in them and rather then describing the series in detail. I thought I would just dive in to a reading of the first couple chapters their short so it should go reasonably quickly just to set the stage it's set in an alternate land that you may recognize Dakota Frost is a magical tattoo artist and the first book she appears in is called Frost moon and I'll start reading from frustum right now. Frustum and Dakota Frost skin answer novel by Anthony Francis Chapter One Dakota from last when we first started wearing a mohawk to riposte lowlifes barflies vampires Republicans and so on. But when I found my true profession my hairstyle turned into an ad people's eyes are drawn by it no longer a true Mohawk. But a big unruly Deathlok a stripe of feathered black purple and white streaks climbing down the center of my head but their gazes linger on the tattoos which start as tribal violence in the shape spaces on either side of the hawk and then cascade down my throat to my shoulders flowering into roses and jewels and butterflies their colors are so gifted their details so sharp many people mistake them for body paint or Soon they can't been done in the States. Yes they're real. No they're not Japanese They're all with a few exceptions done in my own hand right here in Atlanta at the rogue unicorn Little Five Points drop by Inc You asked for Dakota frost. To attract more perceptive I started wearing a sleepless ankle length leather coat vest that shows off the intricate designs on my arms and a cut off top and low rider Jean to show off a tribal Union symbol of my midriff tying it all together as the black tail something big curling up the left side of my neck looping around the union and an arc in through the leaves on my right shoulder. Most people think it's the tail of the dragon and they wouldn't be wrong in case anyone misses the point I even have the designs on the back of a few of my vests. Those who live on the edge might notice a little more detail. Magical rooms woven into the trouble designs working charms woven into the flowers and if you look real close of the tail the dragon the slow movement of symbolic familiar. Yes it did move and yes that's real magic drum part of the rogue unicorn. You're still asking for the one only Dakota Frost the best magical tech to assist in SE. The downside to being a walking out of course is that some of the folks you want to attract start to see you as a scary lowlife. We all know that vampires can turn out to be quite decent folk but so can clean cut young Republicans looking for their first tattoo to impress their tree hugger girlfriends. As for barflies world they're still barflies but unfortunately I find the more tats I show the greater the chance. The cops will throw me into the back of the band if a bar fight breaks out so I couldn't help being nervous as two officers marched me into city hall east. City Hall East is in the old Sears building on Ponce de Leon a great brick fortress squeezed between the empty parking lot used to serve the masquerade dance club and the full when the service the Borders bookstore want to pose with activity but now in two thousand and six. It's like a tomb. Soon to be demolished and turned to yet another mixed use development as part of the new belt line project. Even the snack shop has closed. This is the last year of the Grandall building spooky incarnation as a kind of global link government outpost all that's left here are a few Atlanta Police Department offices more offices for the Fed feds and some for permits and land planning. And lots of police officers more than expected for that Tom night. Most of them scowling. Lots of them muttering look at her what she and for if she a stripper. If she's under arrest twice and she coughed the two officers are scorning me one black one white both wearing identical buzzcut had no answers for them or for me just the police need to see unanimous for must know you're not under arrest. But it is urgent. Please come with us our footsteps. Echoed hollowly as we walked through a canyon of white tile and glass walls towards metal detectors there briefly been a gallery and shops on the floor. But now empty offices surrounded us like cages only a few secure and signs of life we paused before the metal detectors were effect female officer sat right hand pumping on her mouth so what can only be minesweeper anything to declare a Miss Frost. She asked for must be on the barrier Tripoli dressed Kojak bald black plain clothes officer perked up at the sound of my name on my dad's best friend Dakota Frost know of nothing to declare I said trying to ignore him as he saw briskly towards me. The woman waved me in and I swept through the metal detector just in time for him to corner me I sighed folded my arms and stared down at the black man he was tall but I was taller wonderful he'd known I was coming and had probably engineer at this whole thing. Dakota. He said Boys forced cheeriness sparkling eyes genuine he was twice my age I bounced on his knee when he and my father had been partners and he was still a fashion plate if you go in for the whole G G Q Look your dad will be glad to hear you're doing well. Hey Randi. I said smiling shaking my head half of his infectious screen and half and whatever he was planning. Let's get this over with. Where is he. And when did he get in you know I do have a cell phone he could call me. There's no need for the goon squad rants face fell. Your debts not your Dakota. We needed to see you. We. I asked. Rance face went steady like homicide Dakota homicide needs to see you. We got. Elevator and ran punch the sixth floor motioning to me to join in the back officers big man almost my height stepped in front of me making feel even more like a prisoner or perhaps someone being guarded. But the guard theory evaporated want to send it here and older man slipped past the officer and joined us in the back of the elevator leering at me and not into ran a year old cockroach he said after a moment as I slid to me to my tattooed arms in my bare midriff then forward to the officers forgot to pay your fees leered what. Fork. I asked Miss Frost isn't here for four or five Jack Rand said she's working with me. Well. Lucky you. The man said slapping shoulder. He caught my tech Doc puzzled look in truck with a conspiratorial leer suppressed. But still trying to pick out four or five is where you get stripper license and for Q two. I said we don't license for that rancid deadpan. I'm just saying girl you could do the job if you want it. Which one one of the officer said and the other one chuckle floor five is also where you get your license to do magical tattoos I snapped which probably sounds funny until you wake up with a working anus tattooed on your forehead suddenly the cab got quiet and the two officers stiffened up and ran jammed hands into his pockets and leaned against the back wall the cab. He was trying to look ticked. But he looks so hot it came off more as a brooding G.Q. model but the sandy haired Jack was staring at the officers suddenly serious cut the boy's a little slack. He warned me things are crazy you know want to go to jail tonight do you kind of feels like it I said nobody's going to jail to you tonight. Melissa's you Jack. Granton already been Jack replied Not the least bit perturbed the second time this week. No right answer. Don't tell me your boys messed up bookings No Jack said grinning one of your boys trip the power cord again. G.'s. I said abruptly hot in the collar one of the only college shops I'd enjoyed had been lab tech and I couldn't stand people who forked up my computers. You should set up a Web cam to find out who's doing it. Jack going to. He then smiled and said Not a bad idea. Poor girl and just when I was starting to warm up to him gloomy old cockroach the doors opened and Jack just grinned not a bad idea either. Jack strolled out to the right and began peeping at doors keypad. And we followed. Once again our footsteps echoed hollowly down a long narrow corridor. On the left for conference rooms and a pedia offices but on the right was a long wall of tinted glass with a Fed smelling seal engraved on it behind one window I saw a figure standing and so if you close your eyes saw dark sunglasses and a devilish goatee sunglasses at night. Come on we paused before another key coated door and I became acutely aware the man behind the glass was checking me out staring at me. Sipping his government coffee. Finally I looked over and saw trim Portman tied a crisp black suit he was looking straight back at me raising his trip up towards me in salute a smile not a leader but appreciation. Jack open the door with a beat beat beat strolled in and disappeared into a worn of ready old cubicles. We followed them through the door closed behind us a look back at the big knot play like I was sure you could get out without the code but it still slowly swung shut with us all to click and I felt trapped a moment I was in a plain white evidence room looking down on a salt pepper hair looking off certain probably named Winston about to see seated at a large table in front of a large no a folder. There was a side door to the right and huge mirror dominate the rest as well. If you squinted you could just see the blinking light of a camera or maybe a video recorder and I felt the invisible presence of a dark figure somewhere behind the glass. Maybe I was imagining it. But come on I've seen this movie before taller than I expected. Miss Frost she said not moving to greet me as I sat down my long leather vest coach against the tiles I settled into the chair but after that the only noise with us home was the hum of the air conditioning run with seed at the edge of the table. Naturally easily like an Armani model dressed in a police officer salary losing them to the class. Finally he seemed to lose patience with all due she and said show work. This is pointless. She said she can't tell us anything but chickening out abruptly Rand flipped the manila folder open and turned it towards me and stood and stared at the glass. What can you tell us about this curious I stared at the picture. It was a bad photocopy of a circular design some kind of braided wreath with a chain snaking its own tail. Big black blotches covered the upper quarter of the design but after a moment I puzzled out what I was looking at this is flash I said at Bell do she's puzzled look. I explained a tattoo design or part of one bell duty not to dismissively told you he said where. And ran down asked. And you need to tone down the contrast on your copier I said it was half blood out but I realized it wasn't a photocopy but some kind of printout of an image posterized to the point it was almost illegible with large block. Large brush black blotches of a digital pen redacting some of the details but it still had that distinctive natural look at a minute started life as a photograph not a drawing. This isn't flash I said it's an actual tattoo told you. Rand said as my studied it became suspicious reproduction was terrible but something about the recent change the flavor of a magical clip. What if it was magical these mandates would have no way of knowing but how could I tell from this printout. Do you have a better picture now a different picture but did you side and slipped another piece of paper out of the folder a similar shot. Similarly degraded. But I put the two next to each other and planted my hands on the table staring down on them. After a moment I saw it the head of a snake in the design was three links past of the belt of the chain in one and five in the next. It was moving this is magical. I said this tattoo is moving. It's a magical Mark told you ran to triumphantly holy bell do cheaper he's a looked up and I saw him not looking at the flash but my hands hers are doing it too. I swear the forking butterfly flapped What do you think the only moved after. And asked What do you mean after I asked. No one said anything in my stomach suddenly clenched up. What do you mean after you mean like after death. I can't discuss the details of an ongoing investigation. Don't do it yourself why did we bring her here if not to discuss it. Francis it was your idea about to be said she's your old partner's daughter the side door opened the dark Sudafed I'd seen in the Hall walked out as Chris Go T. In short wavy hair made him look more like an evil Johnny Depp than a laid back age an older one hand was in his pocket. The other still holding the cup of coffee and his dexterous fingers the star from cups looked like alabaster Sjoerd he said with unassuming authority or quit wasting our time they'll do it. You looked up at a loss. You've you've got it he said the head just looked at me mouth corking into a smile which felt duty touch its head in a senior moment gesture and then hit the intercom. Rogers he said You got it. Yeah. Bring it after a moment a tall drawn man stepped out of a back door I hadn't noticed generally holding a large white plastic on full of the same food logo on it. We could ever see a man paused in the white light of the doorway for a moment ice twitching as he saw me not unfriendly. But in pity. Then I noticed a long plastic tray in the man's other hand and saw the padded envelope was bulging with was bulging with something I suddenly didn't want to see it if it touches left here for a moment then turned to go. Aren't you going to stay. I asked nervously. I wasn't quite sure why I was asking him for reassurance. But there it was he paused. I've seen it. He said and stepped into the blackness the tray cluttered against the table. Shockingly close to my hand about two she and I both lean back a little. The evidence technician. If that's what could ever man was put on a pair of blue gloves before opening the envelope and withdrawing a smaller plastic wrapped object even though it is wrapped he said putting it in the tree. It would help if you do not touch it. My skin grew cold. It was a rip current. It was a ripped piece of human skin pinned to a stained wood board. Chapter two God's finest canvas. I stared in horror at the scrap of human skin structure propped cross the board like someone's canvas the braided wreath curved across the flesh. Marred by a few small cuts. I did blacked out in the print copy and most cite the skin curved over the board but the upper left the skin was torn away revealing both the Bloods blood stained wood and a set of torn holes in the skin indicated it been stable underneath like a leather seat cushion without another nod to Bell do she ran took over channeling Joe Friday. Do you know what this is it's a tattoo. I said unable to take my eyes off it. Do you know what it means it's a magical ward to protect against evil spirits. Now it's like a capacitor it collects or to flex a magical power set which depends on the intent of the WHERE DO YOU KNOW WHO ink this I'd have to look closer at the design to tell that I really didn't want to do that. And look at the Grand Ice pleading My Space is gone cold a bit stony not unfriendly. But all cop I lean forward. Look through the clear plastic bag at the wreath at the inking the port exposed through the rip with smoothly polishing finally worked dislike the blood stains. Suddenly I knew. Yes I know the artists I said not. I mean personally it's Richard something or do you know where he is buried in Cincinnati. I said Summer was famous when he died in two thousand and five I think. Hell I'll do she said that rules out a suspect. Do you know who this was and on ran gas. No I said closing my eyes at last to piece of skin had come from a living human person I'd really not been trying to think of that my mind cast around for anything else some hundred thousands of people you could email. Lancing dragon in Cincinnati go somewhere to get sense of pictures they're stored there rants mom will do that smile faded. Do you know anyone who had a grudge against Sumner or against any of his subjects. No I said I mean I don't know anyone who has a grudge against anyone really and said What about against other tattoo artists especially magical and according to our newsletter I said sarcastically. There are over two hundred licens magical tattoo artists in the United States. So that's a pretty big list. Could we get a copy of that newsletter Rand asked. I thought about it for a moment. Yes. Is there anything you'd like to add Grant said. Yes I said nothing. This can't cover board. I would like to add up what the work is that thing. Tell her about the box about to be said what about the box. I said I was drawn back to the thing in the table. We had a witness that ever meant it. He didn't live long enough to tell us much but he mention a box. A box cupboard and scraps of tattooed skin. Don't tell me more about the box I said getting up. God it's a forking lid Dakota ranted motion to get after man you don't need to stay any longer to kowtow there are from the Fed And they they're fed there may have more questions for you later. Why did you bring me here. I said what you could have a man slipped it back into it's open opaque on Hello this is some kind of cool joke some kind of arrangement with my dad to get me to come home. The Coda and said I didn't lie. We did need to see you and not just for your expertise. She's. Rand. She's just a city and she just she's just a kid. She's got to know Grant said staring up at me with those same sad eyes I remembered looking up to as a child the code of this just fell in our lap but our friends tell us they've had a dozen killings over the past five years from medical to TOS were taken almost always on or near the full minute moving from state to state each time. This last one was in Birmingham and our friends tell us all the signs point to attack here in Georgia soon. On the full moon is next weekend. I said just after Halloween. So you see Dakota I needed to talk to you. Rand said we don't think you're a specific target but Cody stay safe. Your dad and I are very worried about you. My childhood nickname rang in my years as I watch cadaver man carry it back through the door quite like that makes three of us. I said I said my goodbye story and then got the heck out scored by the black and white twin officers who picked me up to the white Tweedle black turn out to be Horst and Gibbs all buddies of Rand's were doing me for doing him a favor by scooping me up. Gibbs was a sexy beast like a younger version of random self but after staying for the show with the lid horseshit turned from Stony early in Nazi to protective Denmark. After some arguing they agreed to take me back to Mary's to pick up my vest but as we started to pull out of city hall east garage the colorful lights across the street gave me a better idea. Wait I said to the borders are you sure or said it's a long way to east Atlanta. It's nine fifty five. I said I can take care of myself in a brightly lit commercial fortress and call it a fair slate to carry back to Mary's for my best. I never did never leave before midnight anyway. But after seeing that the full moon is like ten days away. I said with false bravado. I'm not worried. The lady can take care of herself to upset smiling anything else we can do. Sure thing I said next time you give me a ride. I want to do it in cuffs horsed was befuddled but Gibbs was a low. Sure thing go. But if she hasn't done anything wrong. Dang horse you never got a Sunday morning call Gibbs said punching my racist gently. I'll explain it to you later. Girl. Later I started sniffing around the bookstore for something on Richard Somers it was hopeless. I hate bookstores and this one was a brightly lit war. I feared around their computer kiosk for a minute browsing for any of the books I knew the craft of NK No flashing flash out of print anything by Richard Somers. Yes one title. Richard. Summer's three in store shelf and probably an art in architecture photography for talk a few monographs where I had absolutely no luck. Finally I call it a pimply faced teen manning the customer service kiosk whose end of date funk brightens considerably as soon as he saw my breasts. Yes that he said staring straight at the bulge in my top in fairness my breasts were about level with his head and he seems scared to make eye contact right over here in bargain books. Richard Somers by Tashan seven ninety nine right between Cicely and pictures and more amazing kittens. I wanted to pop a blood vessel. But just stood there saying summer's life work and the pain of bargain rack. Finally I picked it up thick little brick thumbing its But thin but curiously heavy pages at least it's telling I said anything else. Yes I my breast scan. You got nominate for two thousand and five I asked but he shook his head as I turned to go. Finally as I started up word that he said is one cool ass shirt. I look down at Ground post it upside down at me between that label's lapels of my coat vests a took a glittering sequence into the church adjusted up in a sparkling eyes had written up over the ridge of my breasts. Thanks I said but by that point the kid had fled. I grabbed the maple Mocha and camped out in the café there in the Get a library as we affectionately called it started flipping through this glossy tombstone to richer Summers work looking for clues to who might have worn the tattoo Richard's magical inking began before I was born back in the sixties. But the recent review snake had a modern flair to its design. I start to see some of the distinctive elements of end of the tattoo crop up in the early ninety's section but it wasn't until eve of the millennium that hit paydirt At first I thought I had a man covering his eyes with a tattooed hand bearing a mark nearly identical to the one in the lid. But it was too small. I remember the summer didn't design its own flesh grapheme answers do that for him just like I did which meant he. Added up reusing the same design and sure enough there were three other people with similar tattoos and then with a full page shot of a young woman with a mark just above her breasts the test was close really close the same size on a flat piece of skin since belly button or the curve of the shoulders that would have shown up as a wrinkle on the lip. I stared at her she had short puckish here like I did and I Sexy come hither smile automatically I checked up the curves of her breasts pressed it beneath one delicate hand they were full luscious and look quite workable in my script up to I felt queasy. And I just seen this woman in the flesh of flesh torn from her chest and stable to a board like a seat cushion. There was no way to know I'd give the book to Rand at the first opportunity and hope he could find out but I started thinking Somers was touching himself so sick tattooed himself and some of those tats had to be marks of great magical power a flip to the PIO trying to find out a clue about how he died but it was no help. It had been printed in two thousand and three and the most interesting piece of information was that Somerset recently had his hands insured with Lloyd's of London for over a million dollars useless at originally got in the book to try to find out did warn the tattoo but now he was a new question did Summers die near a full moon and then a creepy voice breathed in my ear. Give me some skin to cover it up and chapter two. Thank you. I think my throat was about to give out there. So there are a lot of things that you could say about frost and the world the frost man but at Georgia Tech where you know we have a long history of Sciences and applying the sciences. I think part of the theory of magic in the theory of this world are important. You'll know that this. The book was set in a very specific time and place it in two thousand and six I forget the exact date that this event happens but I think it's like nine P.M. on October like twenty six two thousand and six. So there are things like you know Borders is still in business city hall east. There was a I don't know if it's still there or not but there was a rumor at the time that they were going to pull all the offices out of there and the rumor that the Masquerade was going to close. I think the masquerade is as reopened or didn't manage to close but all these things were happening they were in the air the beltline project all these things were in the air at the time. So why did I do that I could just as easily have written the book and a generic time in place so which they'll get you about twenty or thirty years if you were to read the and need a Blake series by Laurel HAMILTON It really sounds very contemporary until some point need to get a piece of information and she has to go find a pay phone because she doesn't have a cell phone. Because it was written. You know on you know one nine hundred eighty something or or what. So it's it will it can get you a certain amount of time but I didn't do that. I specifically wanted to make it realistic and I wanted to make it a period piece set in two thousand and six where I tried to make it as accurate as possible and the reason that I'm doing it is that it's filled full of fantastic things there are vampires there are werewolves there are magical tattoos of great power that can do all sorts of things. And one of the things that annoys me about certain fantasy series is that. They're not very well integrated with with the real world where you have magic but if it's only shows up when it's convenient for the plot or the characters or once you go to Narnia or whatever it's very separate but the philosophy I have is that if magic was real then magic would be real and there would be consequences. So if someone had a moving to two. And you took pictures of it. Two different periods of time you would have two different photographs and that's why the coda looking at this is like well they meant not notice that it's moving. That's one of the things that one of the shtick is that the part of the human eye to pick out the movement as it's happening but you know it's not going to fool a camera and that's how she she realizes I can tell what even though I may not see it that this tattoo had to be magical if it's if it's moving and then there's other subtle details that I threw in there that you know you have a tattoo can be used to store magic they can act like capacitors are sort of kind of a magical circuit thing and I hinted at the idea that there's a graph Metzer sis and there's a elaborate structure. None of which you need to know to enjoy the plot of a serial killer striking people who have tattoos but it helps me to tell the story and understand what I can tell and not have it be unrealistic and not have it be a deuce that was a deus ex Maka not where you know suddenly someone pull something out of their their rear end and they they're able to save themselves at the last minute and instead I have rules on how that works and sometimes are you know painful to try to write around but the the thing that myth that makes it work is that by having those rules then you feel the same thing we feel in our world. If you have two different cameras recording me and we don't have a preexisting sound system set up I end up with two different microphones and a third one for you guys in the room. Even though that's inconvenient that's part of our reality is that we have to deal with certain things as they happen. One of the other things I've done with the series is not just set it to specific time but at a specific place the. Over the course of the first two books we go to Emory University Georgia Tech. We go to the vortex and Little Five Points we go. Road to downtown Buckhead and the Atlanta fish market on caffeine or meth so and some very real locations near the crime tunnel and down your Grant Park so. By making it concrete if you're reading the book then you're like I know where that is and then when a vampire shows up you're you've got this picture in the back of your head of this place that you've been and then the vampires in that instead of having you know like the movie series underworld which I love but it's set in sort of like random city and if you think over the course of those especially the first two movies about where they go from place to place. The geography doesn't work. Is that they are at one point they're in a sort of American like city then they're in a train where something people coming from some European city and then they're in a place where they can go across into some border where people are speaking a different language and it's not at any specific location and I and it works for that series but they're having to fight this this thing all fiction is telling stories about unreal people or an unreal situations or unreal locations or some combination of their own otherwise we call it history. And the more that you can eliminate elements that knock people out of the story the more you can people get people engaged with the lives of your characters and have something that people can enjoy and that's what I'm trying to do with the Dakota Frost series and in each book I try to have to go to have some idea that she's encountering and the idea is wrong and she's forced to face the evidence and revise your perspective in a world that's not very unlike her so. That's basically the series and I thought in the remaining time I could take up some time for some questions from you guys. If if you guys have anything you want to ask. But I have so I participated some yes. And I participate in National Novel Writing Month with which is a challenge every November to write fifty thousand words of a new novel. And I've done that I think five times now. This will be my sixth time. Frost moon blood rock the third book liquid fire are all. Nano. Efforts. I don't follow the rules one hundred percent strictly because if you know planning on doing book four and you know next year's Nano and I think of a scene right now I just go ahead and write it down and then say so if I end up with you know five or ten thousand words. Of a book that I'm supposed to start and I just say All right well that means I have to write fifty five thousand words or five ten thousand words at sixty thousand words that I'm writing fifty thousand new words in the course of the month so Xcode. I'm going to be starting this this November and it will feature cinnamon back at the Claremont Academy from from book two. And it will deal with. Cinnamon and graffiti and computer viruses and a bunch of people from the extraordinary needs department and Claremont Academy. So they'll be dumb peers and werewolves and changelings and other other children who have him an enormous challenges and growing up. I think your hand was first in the. Then you were like a quarter second later. There is a down side and so the central banking it to a specific place is OK. There are a lot of stories that can be told without reference to a particular place. Other times so so for the under world series. It's about vampires and cities and werewolves and policemen and cops and and doctors and doesn't need to be in a specific place but in the Blood Blood Rock series the you know there are specific elements about the city that informant like the it didn't make it into the final draft of frost mage but the beltline project actually affects the plot of frost moon and and the villain has a whole side thing going on. So when someone had tripped the webcam. Don't tell anyone but the villain in Frost and his actual It is actually done that and he's actually messing with the police's computers but the editors didn't let me keep that in there because then it would have been one hundred ten thousand word book and it was they they wanted it to be shorter. So places OK. Time is a little more difficult because a lot of people don't. They don't like to read something that's tied to specific time ya you mention borders you know Borders is gone now and you know and and and to me. I don't think you can escape that because if you even if you remove something like specific like borders. You still have some something more generic like cell phones. So if I have a twenty thirty five. If I have a character go to a big box bookstore. I don't think that's going to happen. There may be bookstores in twenty thirty five. I think there may be bookstores and thirty thirty five but probably almost everything is going to be on you know some form of either reader or you'll die. The book to your brain or whatever but but it. The situation's going to change in the same way if I have something written twenty's and I don't mention that it's in the twenty's but a character goes to a speakeasy. Well you know they get set to a time. So rather than trying to sort of like weave the fine line. I went for a specific thing but almost every other person I've ever talked to about frost and has said gee you ought to just make it you know generic don't tie it down to the specific time and I empathize with that that isn't the choice that I made but. Thank you. OK. And I did too and I loved it. A lot so I think you were next. Right. Yes to both of them. So. The very first novel I wrote extensively outlined using a process I called like hierarchical recursive outlining where I took a sentence that was the story. I turned it into a paragraph one it took each sentence of the paragraph and turn it into a paragraph and so I expanded it out until I had something that was roughly chapter like and I don't I don't generally feel the need to do that anymore. So what usually happens is get a piece of something like usually within the Dakota Frost serious Dakota is talking to someone you know like when she comes in and you find out what it tree hugger. She is and by by she decides to snark about Republicans I was a college Republican so you know it's not I as far east as that goes but she comes in she comes with this very brash voice and then the book starts with something like that and then as you as I write I start. Imagining what how would it. What would happen if the character did this and at that. So I start filling in more and more of the story until I get a really good grip of the conflict. You know what is the the central thing that the character matters to the character and and what's the theme of the story and how those going to collide and at that point. Usually I have to write an outline and and just go through. OK This happens this happened this happened. For the course of the whole series when I was planning out for Austin and. I hit very early on about the idea of having each book feature feature monster feature a magical version of an alternative culture practice and feature a disability. So in frost moon that it's magic that saw. Werewolves. Yeah werewolves. Magical tattooing and blindness. So there's a blind character. There's a werewolf character there's obviously Dakota book two. It's the first one was where the second one fan part but they're kind of very well when they gather and it's magical graffiti and deafness and the Tourette's and the third one is magical fire spinning. Dragons and deafness and so early on I had this idea and it's like the story doesn't really have to revolve around any one of those things. This is like an idea mill of like what kinds of thing can I how can I put the the pull a theme out from just having this is a prompt and I came up with a list of of twenty one monsters that I wanted to do so. I have this out lying that if I'm you know. You know managed to survive and keep going. I can write you know twenty one books in the series and I've plotted out in and know what I would do over that course in the. A series will go over the course of seven years and there would be no way whatsoever to keep that organized. If I didn't have an outline because it's you just right over yourself even in the course of frost and Blood Rock. There are things where it's like I read the beginning of frost moon again and it's like I'm not quite consistent with something like two thirds of the way through with Blood Rock no one will notice but me but. So yes I love. It. I'm sorry but you're going to go about the whole world are. Right. See is so that's a really interesting point and not. I think. I've said I've seen the same thing myself sometimes I've read another series that's very specifically set in a location I felt like like the Mersey Thompson series with a need to Blake series I've got a very clear sense of place and there's others where it's like I just stuff I'm I wasn't quite getting that. And so I've. You're the first person I've heard that's been found that uncomfortable but I could certainly see that you could be uncomfortable if you go to the vortex. And you look in the direction of where the unicorn tattooing shop is it's different. I try to change that building and you know turn it into a two story building put one store in the bottom one store on the other and I could see that could be jarring. So but the further the series goes the more it's going to range out over the earth then and beyond. So. We'll be hopefully you won't be too pummeled by that. Yes. But. Yeah and and so there's two ways two or three ways around that one. What. Well one way is you just kind of ignore it and as she put her the rug and the the big thing is that the theory of frost moon was that magic was suppressed for centuries either because the people who were practicing it were trying to hide it because they were had been persecuted or because they got power from it and that they would infiltrate scientific communities to try to mess up the experiment so that people couldn't detect it. And and the counterculture of the sixties and seventies people kind of stopped. You know they they started you know. Practicing magic it got out into the open. So there's a lot that sort of known about magic and the. You know journalist starts the book by saying all this is impossible and then you know seven chapters later the impossible thing is happening she has to figure out how and sometimes it's very well planned and sometimes I'm like dang it. That really messes up with what I wanted to do here. So. Sometimes I had to change the plot. To make that consistent. I've been managed and I'm writing like say two or three books out so if I see something in book four that's going to contradict something in book two and it's not gonna press. You know I can try to fix that and then I do a lot of reading so for the arc of the entire series. You know the I'm I'm reading up on some some fairly old books on Caltech meth and designing out the plot. So that I'm going to be dropping cards that that sort of hopefully are going to be consistent with each other. So planning ahead really helps and but sometimes you just can't avoid it and there are other means are things you can't do. Or you have to really think hard about what the right explanation is.