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>> When the at an. Eye and. This is a living history interview with Bill Haynes class of 1950 conducted by Marilyn summers on March the 22nd the year 2018 we're at the studio of the Wardlaw center on the Georgia Tech campus in Atlanta Georgia and the subject of our interview today his life in general his experiences at Georgia Tech Bill Haynes to you when I have Chad on the phone and a number of times and here you are we're going to hear your story and I'm so happy that you could come down today so that we could talk about this and save your story for your family and for Georgia Tech so we always begin this story at the beginning so tell me sir where were you born and when but when and so look all over Alabama the some of the 281925 Now why were Hugh born in Silicon Valley Alabama was that whole place for your mom and dad that's one well more than for the lived Ok So were you the 1st born or where were you in the line up how was this.

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Family of 75 girls and to bore you with it with the 1st boy that you know of 2nd boy of the 2nd boy Ok so you had an older brother when you said 5 girls I thought you meant you had 5 older sisters. I had one younger sister and a rest and the 4 older sisters Ok so by the time you came along is number 6 they were all pretty used to that your house right yeah they were pretty used to it so you grew up in a big family.

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Now I want to talk about both your mom and your dad when we say or we spoke earlier I understood from you that both of sets of your grandparents had passed away so you never knew your grandparents on either side of your family you were a boy they grew up with no grandpa us right no mail us I would never heard of them but on the.

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And that's kind of too bad somebody to miss out on both sides Yeah but let's let's talk a little bit about from your dad's side of the Family 1st Your Was your dad born in silica you know he was born in the hall and. Was that close by.

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Ok pretty close by Ok And did he ever talk about his dad No because. He was involved in the plague or whatever happened to many offenders and some of his. Own. Raised him over the phone or in Holland about so not only didn't you have grandparents but your father lost his parents when he was very young and yes so when he was born when was your father born to you know was it was 18 Yeah my spending is 18 Yeah because he had that many children before you he must have been already into his late twenty's early thirty's by the time he came so he lost his parents as as a he was just a child then so his older brothers or his dad's older brothers raised him.

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I never you don't know that I don't know any and we've tried to do research and can't find anything. We've gone this route you so you don't know how long the Haynes family had been in Alabama then you know probably probably back a long way though it's like no they were there for going on most of the Haines.

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There's different quite a few different spellings. But basically the names and Irish descent and then. But. Most of them come from the us. But most of them were. And then they made their You're good little group made its way down to Alabama right now did your dad have brothers and sisters not that I need he never did till he was an only child then you think the American no so there was really no family on the hane son at all just your daddy and how did he get to meet your mama do you know that not really because she was from Munford Obama and she was a kale before she married him there's a lot of camps right it's a big family right in.

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Front of my daughters she's one of the people like to go back and research any and and she and my mother were distant relative so she did not checking to tell you that but it turns out your momma had lost her mother and dad too right so who raised your mama.

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I really don't know she never talked about how she came up so you don't want to think about that side of the family in your mama never said how she met your dad so you don't know their story or. Whether they know it was being that. She didn't have much time talking to her to and I did just never came up and but.

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They loved each other. I think 60 years that's great Did you know why they ended up and in this little town that neither one of them was born in what did your dad do for a living he was a car so he could have come he could've worked anywhere right yeah so did he work for a company or work for himself and we were so he was what we would call today free lance for a ride to whatever jobs came along where he really preferred to be.

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But he did a lot of remodel and because and night. When I was growing up there one the whole lot of. Well you were born just before the Depression so when the pressure came the thirty's were tough times they really were Yeah the twenty's were going pretty good so he was kind of a builder as well as.

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Is woodworking was a specialty but he built houses use and I so they may today as far as you know where your brothers and sisters that were born before you born there in the same town you were yes so all the kids were born there in that town Ok and we were born in the house where we live and that was very common and not only is it they might have called the midwife to come or might have been a local doctor.

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Local doctor blues or so you have to remember his name file yeah. He was that's caught in a rut that's all he was going to play Joe due to. What did you say I said for Georgia. Yeah he was well let's hope he didn't Let's hope he didn't but he was on call when your mom had children so yeah and you were you said the 6th of the 7th right so he came a good bit how much older than you was the oldest child.

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Your 1st their 1st child was a daughter you know as much as my brother Ok so how much older than you was your brother he was. I thank you he was almost 20 years older than So you kids were spread out over a good good playing a time your brother didn't even really live home probably when you were that girl he was going to bear with him he'd already grown up by the time you came along so let's go over your brothers and sisters names this is a test Bill we're going to see where you remember so your oldest brother's name was what they have been good for you Ok so your brother band was born at least 20 years before you so he was probably born in 1905 somewhere around then Ok The Next came a sister what was her name.

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And he wrote Ok And after her came. On. Louise Ok And then next well good Mildred and then right Ok and then you yeah dog Dorothy or just over 30 Dorothy good for you you got your past Ok how much younger than you was Dorothy No she was younger than me yeah not much younger but.

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5 years so then you do you remember when she was born then don't you because that was a pretty big deal when you your mom would have a baby even though you had a whole bunch of them I mean it was a big deal for you because you were there when a new baby came Do you remember.

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Sure you were 5 years old. What was your earliest memory when you think about back in the day what do you remember do you remember the house you lived in. The. We had a young kid Joe's of monolayer than 4 doors down and then Bijoy me live next door and we used to play ball with cotton ball out of his.

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Own and then with. Us for bad you were improvising Yeah because we didn't earn the money have money how big was the house you lived in. Was a room for all of you so your dad had your daddy built that house no no he didn't he they bought that house that was it in town or out it was right in the.

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So called overhead. So. It's right over half submerged to drop from there and back so you could walk everywhere you had to go there was a school in silica Yes elementary school and high school years so it was easy for you to walk everywhere you had to go nobody had had to have a car then right Ok what is the earliest thing you remember about being a child playing with your buddies.

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Yeah did you go out and play I mean did you have lots of places to play there probably weren't any parks or anything but they were there enough room between houses and there are lots of eels Yes there is of course a story from the big game. Who are.

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They would have a lot of these travel and 10 Gosport o.b. 5 balls like we have and I know you remember that all and they live with a whole holy rollers and they used to travel from small town to small town right and that was entertain that was it yeah it was for me I mean I'm a little boy hanging on a rope with a day and they can then then when I saw the snipes I lived over that was a smart move I think you know what a lever make me understand why anyone wants to play was snakes right you know what I mean you so that was right across the street you had that going on but when the tents were there could you boys go play that way when they just come in the few days and yeah go on the weekends probably they were you know yeah and then jury but the rest the time you could play there right did you have a bicycle when you were a little boy.

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I want a bicycle and a movie that's pretty cool and used cars to down to go to the movies and so silly I did silicone to have a movie then right into. You're kidding there were 2 movie theaters in that little bitty town wow. But I won the battle but I couldn't ride it why I was so small all you wanted when you were.

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You grew into it though didn't you grew into. It did you have a bicycle before that were bikes in the family so that was a pretty big deal in your family or. How did you win it did you get a ticket or zone we just go to the move and you got to take it in yeah they drew the ticket and you heard your name and couldn't believe it how could you get I was a 2 wheeler right that so you couldn't get on it how that's your did your folks have a policy about what time you had to be home for dinner if we're talking the summertime in the summertime before you started school could you just go play and do what you want to do as long as you were home on time.

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And did you know what time you were supposed to be home always know that in. If you wanted. To of. So you learned when you were supposed to be there on your own if you had to take that responsibility nobody was out ringing a bell or Yellin for you.

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So if you went all the way downtown and got home and they had already a then too bad for you. Always had been and she set aside right and but but they pretty much expected you to be there though. Because was supper every night something where the family sat down together unless somebody had a job.

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You know I did it took a few launched a war yeah and. But we all you know had a full meal Now tell me what happened when you started school did you have kindergarten or did you go right into 1st grade where. We had to her tornado came through show called The Soma before Wash Post or school and the tornado destroyed the main have me grammar school although I was my 1st year in the church they had to make do right and while they rebuild that's cool that right for one year and it was called Main Avenue Elementary School.

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Wow I bet that's written up in the newspapers Yeah. If a tornado took away the school I bet they wrote that will have a lot of people can find that I can remember. Was anybody hurt I don't recall about that in your family nobody in your family was so that's a scary thing it was reddish.

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My mother was sitting in she usually the No one there and rug knew we could see the street and lightning bolts of lightning is this big was going down the street and. And she was per year. Hope everybody's stay safe and you did your house wasn't everybody involved and boy that was that's pretty scary to be that close as I would like to yeah and possibly people in town were hurt it's hard to say sure sure that was.

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Her and you were probably 5 years old. So your brother was probably off to school already but the rest of the cure the girls are still home yeah so you started 1st grade or kindergarten which was it well known to kindergarten for years. Goes to kindergarten for 4 years.

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Have the houses do as if teacher had to go and she was old enough to be a teacher in the kindergarten when you started school and then a wall. Was sold you into her kindergarten class and then that was in the church No that was it have a new.

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So was a different kindergarten and I'm from the public school so you might have gone when you were pretty early pretty young what I do that was a way for your sister to babysit you keep you out of your mother's hair because she had a baby at home right probably So you went to kindergarten 4 years well how old were you when you started 1st grade then 77 years old by that time you must have known your numbers and your letters.

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Brother. You know matters always. About your sister private you helped out and touches some stuff to keep you busy. So you majored in kindergarten who ever heard of that before you're the 1st one. Who majored in a guard so when you started 1st grade it was then in the 1st Baptist Church Ok if you use that we're there for one year and then they say they had rebuilt the school so it was 2nd grade that you went into the school for the 1st time.

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Here and you walked there it was easy to go there and you had your buddies that were probably in the same grade as you were right or closer. By another I used to write them for. 3 doors 4 doors from me and lead him right on the border so you swing by pick him up and run him into work.

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Work and boys going to work why everybody went to the same elementary school in the whole town all the kids did so well that Warren was the baby Cuomo who took over shown. And then so-called which was completely. Ok but used but it wasn't a very big space to have 2 elementary schools.

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Well you had a mill villages although there was a separate Avondale had its own villages around Ok and that was separate from where you were I understand now all right so when you went into the 2nd grade in the school was it all brand new or was just read those by me build a brand new building and you were the 1st class to go in to that school how many grades did they have in the elementary school 77 grades Ok And after that would have been what then a middle school right into high school so it was genius where they didn't call it genius called high school and high school was 7 grade was 8th grade through 11th that was usually the pattern at that time resident Let's go back again now do you remember going to the 2nd grade in the New School No you can't remember the school at all well I remember I was in 2 stories or one story I'm I'm in the 7th.

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And I'm in the 2nd grade because I used to take a 2nd grade teacher. And the to the back in the part it was because I heard about boy that bicycle was handy to have who had was big Yeah let's see if that would have been if you were 7 years old that would have been 1902 Well that was the Depression people didn't have money for things like that no enemies in a tough time and not well known to corps and.

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Who is coming about this really so it was a low income community really hardly here cotton and hard hit by the Depression. They also. Yet score would you really call girl. As white more ball will. They have the exact same physical and chemical structure as a white marble and.

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White House so I am morbid in Washington is from Chicago because they could get it there so do you remember the quarries when you were growing up yeah dangerous this post is not so they're on there you went anyway did yeah and if you had in the curator and.

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Some of the Celts from what more was pure care of him and they go. And put it in. For women for a job or when your mom did that so you you had that Mara when you have it that's why you're so study after all these years hell who knows who knows we don't know so in this community everybody was.

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Deprived everybody was hard at all worried about money so there was no way everybody was in the same boat as we say and so. You didn't have to put on airs or pretend everybody was doing the same thing your mom and dad were working hard to make sure you all had enough to eat who has they were hard times and with your having all those kids that was a lot of work so every child as they grew up was was given responsibilities and got little jobs to help out right yes do you remember when you got a little job to help out.

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Yeah on the 1st. Well rather than work for day. Poor. So he taught you how to do a lot of good things for hard work and right so you were good helper for him and if I didn't work or. There were. No. Really he was tough your dad kept his finger at you ha well his older son by the time you were working had already gone off so you were the only man in the house besides your dad right all those women to support he was probably after you all the time to help out with your dad tell a big guy he was his phone and my mother was taller than me that's unusual.

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In the paper they used to be. And the woman was taller than her and that reminded you of your mom and dad. So your dad was not a big man but he was a strong man he was really strong. A man called him and. He was a lot better than.

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The day they had the poor. Lady right out yeah. It was tricky but yeah. Your mom you said was taller so she was a big woman yes a disciplinary and to know she was a lover that's girls she. She just so disgusted with why she would be. And she had become a negotiator.

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And smile and she'd be really. Instead she hugged and then she would have. She knew you were you were mysterious but she loved you to pieces always save something aside for you was she a good cook though she is a miracle you didn't they made stuff out and it's exactly.

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It was funny because when I read the article about you in that we know that that 1st Baptist Church of Marietta did an interview with you many many years ago about the war stories and in that story you mentioned that the military didn't cook as good as your mom or dad so even with no prob no provisions at all she was a better cook than the military thought of Bobby and how she was magic she learned how to make stuff out of nothing you women would really work at trying to get new to nutrition Did you have a garden at home to do all the lands.

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To get. Chickens. So you had a mini farm that ride in. I had to help dig. The baby is doing. So but that was necessary to feed the family and then there would probably be Berry pickin in the summer so that you could put up preserves. You put up the figs Did your mama can you put up the fruit that you get from whatever trees were around so you really everybody worked towards putting food on the table and he learned how you couldn't grow up during the Depression and not be aware of a work ethic could you I mean everybody pitched in to help that's just the way it was.

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And your treat was then getting to go to the movies probably on Saturday right yep. Yep And did you see all the cowboy movies or the serials then you remember. How the long Cassidy was be. Gene Autry Roy Rogers and were they back in that time yeah Tonto Yeah going to the movies was an American past time that was such an American thing to do everybody on Saturday it was best babysitter in the whole world wanted it everybody would and you were safe there yeah.

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You'd have to worry about not be unsafe. It's a different world you grew up in a different world than your children your grandchildren all around. Yeah yeah everybody was safe all the time also everybody knew everybody right and everybody respected. So if you got in trouble for something there were a lot of people looking after you besides your mom and dad.

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And your mom and dad would not want to hear from someone else that you did something you should do so you were pretty good boy most of the time yeah it was a it was a great system wasn't it. Good to the hands. Behave because it was the right thing to do because and that got instilled in you because so many people were looking after you your neighbors and your teachers and yeah and then every day.

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The mother and father blown that your trust and they did not have a church so. When some more towards recorder. Church across preacher would come in the time and they always stayed with us you know we always had fried cheated that was a special occasion. And keep in chickens were important not only for the eggs but occasionally as you say for the food something you could look forward to and having meat every single night didn't necessarily happen when you were a kid it was hard to kind of like.

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I could be a vegetarian very easy because you learned from what the land was producing for you and yeah yeah and the milk from the cow you were going to kill a cow because then you'd be cutting off your milk supply for and if your momma was going to bake anything she had to have eggs and she had to have milk Yes So so you could have griddle cakes or cornbread or whatever is she would mix up to fill you up those are the kinds of things if you know you know now I know that you were very athletic because we had talked about how you love sports when did that start do you get to play any sports in elementary school did they have.

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A servant a goodish when we for that's when it started. We had a bash your boat. And I played only. When I went to high school now what high school would you have gone to so called House Ok that there was one high school in town Ok everybody baby home had all they had their own high school their complaints was that funny they kept that the distance between the places were little feeling you know ox but they clearly some sort of a classical situation there was no difference in.

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Having. Had. Own currency they had good lives for their currency I never heard that before and then they said they were paid by the male in this particular. And they had a commissary where they could go buy so they didn't buy their things in town like you did and they bought and then they had a hospital so they were really very insulated they were kept into their own but this was common at that context.

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You know they had. Callaway me. Going I did something I didn't know they had their own currency I don't believe anyone ever told me that before with the town stores take that currency you know so you had to buy so they really created a dependency didn't they their employees were dependent on them yeah I don't know why hasn't it always bankers they were bankers out of and yeah those were the comers that you mentioned their family that so they had money and they came in invested these small towns and made a ton of money off of what they did and they it was a tough job to be in the mills.

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Yeah that was a tough job to grow up in I've interviewed people you know who lived in mill towns and they called it hits that's exactly right they were called went heads I remember a woman telling me she grew up in a town and it was like it was kind of a class system yes that there was a heaven and he basically the closer.

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So that your high school which started in the 8th grade that's where sports were organized right well it really was not until they got so much I could be wrong about maybe. The grammar school you could. Have a drink of water could have been through that. I may be wrong and I don't know I think I've heard that before so let's have a little drink throat There you go.

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It could be well it doesn't matter what year it was but that but in a way when I really started was in the night. And I'm a divorced basketball team. As a freshman Ok and then I didn't go well for football because I really just. Write and. It was all white boys that of course was completely segregated or just completely different.

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And then my brother pushed me and the coach came and more me to come up for football because were you a good size fellow by that time yeah. For mother board your lordship for people that. Yeah and then our real quick. Quickly. And so they wanted you to play more sports.

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Really. When I heard 4 years ago I started playing tennis across the street they do screw they're a tennis court there was a school across the street here the high school you know tell me you live that close to the high school I thought it was a bare lot across the street where the tents came were Yeah down the block some you may have like so they had a tennis court so you learn how to play tennis Well that makes a fast yeah.

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Quick fade in. That help here and particularly in football or basketball now we started to talk about you having jobs and you said you were so to jerk was that when you were in grade school or high school. But as earliest as grade school you could work you could get a job or your way back and you could still was it all labor laws that's right so when you were 12 years old 14 years a hole where you were started well one of 14 moved to caution story so then later.

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Also we got to go back up then how old were you when you started being a soda jerk broke in there only so there was a drug store in town or a pharmacy I was. Taking Ok Salish and which one would you go to work for. Not pass they have gone gone blank on the Get where you are not the palace you went to work at the other pharmacy or drugstore and they had a counter that's what a soldier does right works behind the counter.

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Ok so you pumped out what sodas runways and malt and we had another table and I'll go you go. And maybe sandwiches you did you had to do that to hear Wow Did you have to take the cash to. Well you learned a lot of skills when you were still very young you would want to get in the well by that time and see if you started school late you might have been in only the 3rd or 4th grade for heaven's sakes and you were already working out and what would you make a quarter or $0.10 an hour what how much did you make an hour do you think well I can't remember they showed.

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I used to work all day Saturday for $4.00 and where at the shoe store you know $4.00 Now did you take that money and give it to your parents and get an allowance or did they say you can keep that money how did money work in your house.

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Well I could spend it if I will. So you were allowed to keep your own money on how to manage it does that mean that if you wanted to buy something you saved up for you know if you went to the movies you used your own dime you so your parents were teaching you to be responsible with money.

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Without sitting down and given you lessons they were teaching All right everybody had a job that's what people did they found a way to into town and got their jobs and worked so how did you like selling ladies shoes family centers just. The funny part it was not here Funny I have to tell you I bet it wasn't but we had to bring in Hugh sure Mexico called her rock cheesy half of her never heard of strap shoes then they said black people would come in and then load of hurricane.

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And so they were of the blacks were allowed to shop and silica yet it wasn't totally segregated as far shopping was concerned anyway they had all made it rather good food she'll live straight here the way it. Yeah because we didn't have air conditioning now nobody had it saved in good condition and they didn't have those little footies sacks that you put on me there are there was how I had all my man yeah yeah that would have been considered wasteful at that time yeah because people had to scrape to buy their own socks and of course in the summer time which was long in Alabama it was hot there a lot more than it was cold wasn't it people didn't wear bare feet a lot the manager of the shoe store used to do the.

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Bill why you raised him why don't you do it. And I said in that he had more if I do that I will be rich and he. He was like your mom like he wanted to be hard on you but he couldn't be too hard yeah so that was a regular job for you in the summer time no as in I work don't.

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Gamble for. You still Yeah Ok so let's go back to high school and now we know you were going to school we know you were workin part time always work and you always had a job and you played not only basketball but you start playing football so you had a good coach do you remember your coaches names were coached him for a 1st coach Ok so he had teach you how to play football you didn't ever play it right.

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And did they have they didn't have a lot of equipment problems. We didn't we didn't have the helmet I mean we had a. Leather Yeah a small cap that fit on the back your head but it wasn't really protection like they have today it was dangerous it was really dangerous because you played tackle didn't you.

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Know but I mean you tackled the other it was given it wasn't touch football it was real football so you had to learn the strategies and you get out there and you were quick a good thing or quicker yeah good run backwards or bad that's just kind of our front yards here.

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The coach used to put me in front of him he was a go forward and he made all Americans in the. Show. And the war hero. He used to rock me over I mean our way. Dorney My goodness you were talent then. He'd lay you down he'd hit you to knock you down and they just.

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He was search your good friend and he became the mission that's interesting Now did you ever play baseball. So you were really basketball and you don't Did did high school go through the 12 great or you're in or did we go through the 12th grade Ok so it probably was a 4 year high school that you know one of the things you did at one of the things that was happening when you were growing up and you were in high school we had this thing called Pearl Harbor that was in 1941 on December the 7th everybody always remembers that day where were you December of the 7th of by 941 you know.

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It didn't impress me that that. Sports is a very good you didn't even think anything about the war or having it impact I know but it sure did so by 1942 early in 42 people you knew were being drafted or were going up side and off to go to war because the way we were had occurred in the comeback in 43 he was killed in the know it so it didn't take very long for you to figure out that there was a war going on because it's all anybody talked about right now we didn't have television in those days but we had radio read your family have a radio Yes And did your folks make a practice to sit and listen I think I did more than they did Ok You know what was going on did your brother have to go into the service though but I didn't go because he.

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Hill situation I can recall Ok so he didn't have to go and your dad he was too old to go and he had too many children to go but I bet you had neighbors around you although you have people were going into the military so you did something that was interesting when you were as you were coming along in the war was getting more and more intense you joined the enlisted have joined who now they called it what it what was the airco on the Herco if he delivers you know the horn of the United States Army but it was a he.

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When I read your story it said you had joined the East something t. it was a military program that guaranteed you could finish high school whole year and listed in the enlisted Yeah right. You didn't have an r o t c program in your high school but they allowed you in town to enlist in the SPRO Graham so you could stay in school to finish if you if you birthday wish for the cemetery for that year the neck and take me would drive yet and I had.

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No. There were. November. He went in and they drafted in November. January if you're a no can no and you did want to be doing that and that was not rare that we'll know and learning yet it's what was happening so it was wonderful that they came up with that program that really enlistment program because you know you're going to have to go anywhere what was happening is the war was so intense and $42.43 that there was enough manpower and so they had to start drafting from by the age if you were going to be 18 I was good enough for them and you would have been 18 before you finish school and that would have been Ok for you so you wanted to stay as long as you could really a smart move where your mom was Price care death but it was better than taken a chance of having to go before school yeah because then you go in the ground troops Yeah and you knew that's not what you wanted then you 9 weeks over your dog and it was already to the Pacific which was so dangerous Yeah did you follow the war when you were in high school I mean did your class fall the warder they they didn't talk about D.-Day.

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You didn't collect did you collect things for the war effort in your town yeah we showed a show Bowen's Yeah they make big bones. So you do you remember going to those and being a part of it not really you didn't you didn't participate in the movies all changed because they were about war stories to do and they would have a deuce rail and you would see what was going on then you began to realize how important what was going what's happening what you were looking at right so you knew you were probably not going to go off to college you were going to go off to military Yeah neither.

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Did your friend Billy list like you did to kills 2 friends that you hung out with your whole life were they and early Elizabeth 2 or did they go off to war. Do you remember if they were with you no they didn't go they didn't Joan go they didn't so there's She didn't really hurt my feelings I paced and they degrade and was accepted and not friend Bertie Taylor who played the other day and all of a football team he didn't make it and they said and then said they were surprised that I married.

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And that her name well that should have hurt your feelings that was downright insulting for him to say that you were good student you were getting good grades weren't you yeah they would let you play football if you weren't getting good grades that was one of the things about sports you had to keep your grades up in order to but you always were good at math you told me that when you were you know the 1st grade you knew you were good at math why would he say a terrible thing like that I don't know.

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For you so you knew people that were going off to the wars you said that was a scary time for you and your you were keeping your grades up and playing sports and he says something dumb like that no wonder you were mad. Well you were justified but you should you should hang on that long but you know somebody is inconsiderate remark like that really can stay with you for a long time because it was hurtful you were doing the right thing and he was unkind so that should be on his conscience and he should be held accountable and you know what if you weren't a strong person that could have made you give up because that's I've heard stories were some teacher carelessly made a real or it can make a kid give up loser confidence I'm glad you were strong enough to stand up for that stuff but good move Bill Yeah so Bill here we are we're we're talking about your high school career as a sports as an athlete your last couple years of school and the war is going on in of course as we said you didn't realize it when Pearl Harbor what a great impact that was I mean who knew there were going to war last that long Meanwhile at home where you were still living at home your head your sister Francis and your sister Dorothy were still living at home and Dorothy was younger than you by 5 years so she wasn't even in high school yet she was still gone to elementary school.

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But Francis was old enough and you that she had gotten married tell me who Francis married Chimaira gave. Your And and then his mother they have a. Hey Schuster again sister. Or she was and she used to say yeah but so did he go off to the war then he was in Okinawa he built bridges he was a c.p. then he was a c.p. and.

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So there so the family was worrying about him too you know went yeah and then he stayed and then Frank says one over ad to the war was over and he was a civilian work in. The. Uk and then he came they came back to. Santa Fe New Mexico and he was in Georgia engineering department and.

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The Indian call it and. Ok so they lived out there right and they're both Yeah but they do remember that from when you were in high school that that's how they're how their lives went. So you knew as soon as you graduated from high school which was going to be the following summer if you turned 18.

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In the following summer you were going to graduate from high school you know you were not going to have my sometimes stay home because the war was still really going on. So what did happen tell me what happened you graduated day and what happened the next day when I got not papers and that was a May and then.

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There's the morning and I had my letter from the government to report. And then. And I was and. All Monday morning they sure didn't wait very long did they know you remember your graduation though your be muddled anyway and yeah your sister your younger sister probably came yeah my family and then all of a sudden that you're going to be leaving now how did you get from Silicone good to sell a car go to Atlanta did you come by train or by bus by bus so was Greyhound a Greyhound bus or something like that yeah you're actually been one to one of.

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My For the car he knew what you were going away for it was very sad for them was sure I mean you were the only man of the family for a long time there with him with all your sisters so it was a sad time and also by 1944 a lot of people had been lost already so your town you had men that went off to war and already come back wounded many of them wounded some of them come not coming back so families were hanging the gold stars in their windows so it was a scary time for your parents they knew they didn't know if they were going to ever see you again you know that was a really scary time for them and they were older parents because you were at the end of the honors so it must have been really hard on them to put you on that bus and you had.

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You didn't have to take very many things with you did you cause they were going to give you the clothes and everything else yeah that was the drill how long does it take to come from there to Atlanta on a bus few hours 3 or 4. And the bus was full of other young folks.

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Off to War Were there any women that you went to high school with they had joined the military you know not that I know so you didn't have any and I never asked you Did you have a girlfriend did you have a social life when you were in high.

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But I never did steady. So there was no girl standing there crying because you were getting on the bus to know that. We used to have a. Dupont moved in and built a power black smokers power private and children's burger. And then because of haves and many of the people moved in the so-called And so they built a recreation building to entertain the people and.

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So they had a dance every Saturday night and Jimmy neighbors are. Movie star or his sister was and Mark was and Jim Nabors the guy that was Gomer Pyle you know Ok he said castaway a few weeks ago a few months ago anyway. We used to jitterbug together she was all over they were good jitterbug or.

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Well you relied on your feet that's a good then you just go on the lawn never once did you know I was back again and. It was quite a so Saturday night for fun yeah that was and then her mother and father with a bunch of kids would go to their house and.

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They were real friendly for minor change you. Did they have live music or did they have a jukebox where. Overnight would come. Saturday night. Which is a orchestra. That's I know that was going on here in Ed or tech we had orchestras that would go play you know for a lot of different places around town yeah the troubadours they were called so they have the Auburn Knights is the look Ok Well Ok and that was a lot of fun to do things I don't know did did the town come out to the to the football games on Friday nights you know we flew and so you were you were a local hero in that you were on the varsity football team so you were used to going to the games but you said Come Saturday morning you went to work you were not a or was there a warning.

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So you were leaving all of that behind without any interim period no time off you went from being a school kid playing football on Friday night to be in it for MacPherson been sworn into the army was quite a shock it was and so they swore you in shave your hair off gave you a uniform and shipped you to where.

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You and looks in theirs so you went right back. Towards this state in the south let's put it that way right you went back to to Biloxi so I'm Biloxi was where you did your basic training right now how did you get you win an end to the Army Air Corps as far as really writing letters in the.

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Good day it which when the power Bombardier or navigator right. But did that but everybody didn't get to do that now they had a little dead time and they were not needing any more power or bomb materials or they you know wanted manpower and so. They put a center run and.

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Maybe it's July it was hot though and they had black tore up on all around the building and is coming. From the Emperor I was saying and you know they turned the fans of on purpose on purpose water runoff you for your hands and we're all just so hard and.

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And on and for people tires and they was through there were 200 of and a 196 hours they flunked us but that was purpose I mean that was a way to get rid of quite well those 4 guys went to Columbus midshipmen more surprised that one that didn't get too hot you mean And what no they they perish they just when you said patch you mean passed out no they passed agreed we were taken to tears So the idea was to flaunt the test to make you frock it.

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So they make it so hard you can order breeds while under ever funny way to pig or who's going to call one who's not going to go where they do a lot of funny thing and then I was yeah so you were one of the people who was lucky in that you didn't have to wash airplanes you got lucky enough to go to where where were they thinking when Arizona into going to risk all the way out west they say.

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Ok so they considered you were survivor I don't know what to say how you would you said you flunked the test Yeah well I meant to go and you're supposed to be able to go and flight training or. One of the all scherzo in a way you didn't want the test to pass the test so you could go on to become a gunnery officer right now where our gunner.

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Ended up a gun. And then we started occasionally or for about. 6 weeks. And we how we do you drilled I bet how we close order drill. 2 hours 4 hours extended over drill and then to repeat. And they wanted you guys to be as fit as you could be as fast as you I went down I was hoarders a rock at $185.00.

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165. And they're shorter used to call me slow. And I was you know they Slims your right down tight and you up made your heart of the rock you were a good athlete so you were in good shape as all right it was easy for me why and and did you have to take gunnery lessons too you know we had to learn.

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To take care to disassemble together a machine gun. We had to take it apart put it back together over and over and over and over no and then the parish you had been voted so it was in your sleep you could have done it if you had to.

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And that's taking care of the weapon you were going to be fired firing Ok and you stay there for only 6 weeks you said you had already had 6 weeks at a blacklist he stayed there until November the 7th and the reason I remember that. There was an election in our wishes stores.

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What a funny thing to remember I know it's discouraging but it makes sense so member 71 of an Election Day was a Tuesday and that day that's when they shipped you out Yes Ok so you had 12 weeks of training in total that something like that Mary much to change your whole life you know and.

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And all of the cute though and you know if they had none of the blinds were. Had. Pressured bench or they were all open. And if your T.'s had any feelings they had their pop by Wow So before tonight before they hand me an advantage or 2 o'clock in the morning and what put me in nuke new fillings for you there and put them back in because they wanted to make sure you weren't going to have your mouth explode I never heard that story either that must have been a common thing for them to do when they found out that so and this guy got so mad and there's Dennis he threw his to the nice There's did you can do that underwater I mean so I've always just.

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But it is expected I suppose they didn't have all the tools they have today now old enough Yeah that was really primitive It must have been horrible it was that it was not phone it was torture Yeah yeah they were literally tell your dollar chair and play with your teeth good grief and the dentist that they had were people who were probably drafted.

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And so they weren't happy to be there either so yeah but everybody was in the same boat it was miserable for everybody. While you were there after 12 weeks where did you go after New Mexico I went to. They had a delay and route which is lucky for low for say.

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I will home state so you know then I went to Tampa Florida and that plant city that Plant City used to be. They used to have horses in the road and they put. The stables they put in some birds and that's what you did you stayed up where we stayed then and those and then they changed my feelings again I know it was the 1st guy didn't do it right or I don't know but could have they talked to do some more that's awful Now then I want Dave on pork and even park is up in Maryland no less and sell for over down there Ok And so we really did a lot of fun.

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And then we were shooting actually shooting so this was the real thing you were practicing. And did they have targets for you that she knew that their planes would be Dragon Door good Ok I can picture that I think a price on newsreels of that soap but it was pretty dangerous because you were shooting real ammunition.

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They wanted you to really know what you were feeling and what you were doing. Was really hard work wasn't it yeah because we've seen that in the movies how that is you know the shells ejects the shells and it shakes like crazy every time it injects something the whole thing shakes right so you were in a turret No I was.

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What does that mean we're like applying Here's a few short you got a war in the here and then a winner here in the waist That's the waist of the plane that like the waist line weight so they take it over when you see it out the window here My word and this is how many thousands of feet up pulling 20000 feet up you're shooting out an open window and unpressurized plane it's a wonder we think didn't fly out the window No.

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They didn't have anything loose Larry right only go on about 200 if you had a bomb load you go on the 200. Who would have. But that that would be super cold up there yeah the whole way to blows a real so there so you had to have face mask because you would have been we had a process.

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Which. Then we had where they plugged into the plane to provide electricity so you were plugged into the plane when you know you had a cold or. And then you had a big ole for. You Vaccarella Gaga and then there was something to cover your face and your hand holding her in my ears everybody but I had to have oxygen they had him oxygen.

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Yet because there was none of that it was dangerous it's a wonder more me but were hurt and killed in the work and will probably never even know how many really were I know in doing research on World War 2 veterans from Georgia Tech many of them were actually killed in practices you know while in you know by practicing to be pilots and practicing to be nasty there were a lot of accidents that I heard well I didn't mention the King when we would use learn to shoot a machine gun and while I was.

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There's a good prose and the sea got it going still the pie and those were added to the machine and he rode in the any queue of people just because he couldn't stop it from shooting and that's just the deferrals there and say you didn't do anything it was parallel it was well he just did it he froze on the gun because his 1st time it ever done it and near the gun a range and he got always people and so he fit he killed his fellow men but he didn't die what a terrible thing to live with as more people to your.

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There there was killed and the too much the job got him for the war and my gosh what a tragedy and you were right there you saw that happen I didn't actually say it but I mean you were right I was right I was in 2 groups behind them and when the.

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Terrible And I bet it happened more than one time to I know these plane crashes you know amateur pilots would have crashes and we lost a lot of people through that so so somehow or other you survived all that training and then they're going to send you to England did you fly in England or go by boat go by boat he went up that's so funny because you were trained to be in a plane but instead of flying you over they put you on a boat a big ship or one of the victory ships where did you go by the work.

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Of the Queen Mary that was a big ship going forward yeah just think of it so we were close to everybody was saying we were close to winning the war Hitler was starting to show signs of fatigue and you know we were winning the battles this is 1940.

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45 just one more just before ve day right so you get over into London into England and you went you were stationed where and what care there are which is just a bed for Ok north alone and by this time the English people the British had been bombed to bits there was I mean it was a tough time it was a tough time for everybody but we were still when I got there.

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You were there reinforcements at work and well they were of the Germans were still here and the love of rockets and. Heard that goes put but but but but and when it could you got to be scared to go on the war yeah as soon as it starts making the noise everybody course everybody was taking shelter underground everywhere all the time anyways so did you go through some kind of a safety training when you got there or you just had to catch on everything you know you just dove under the hood you knew that to go down the.

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So you were stationed there did you continue then to did you get engaged I mean you guys get assignments from there where you had to volunteer Have you always gone and. The girls had taken or most of. The gulf. War and my gosh it was a dangerous position yeah because the front so tight formation that you can Horry.

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Yeah so what did you do for the 2 months that were you were there before did they send you out at all well. I already did in the whole world of anything other than they train me for what they call the tall girl a year which is a bomb of the year and he would fly.

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Like a say target you just flip the switch you go back in the barber pool all the pants and the ball and then the laid bottom of the wood drawer smoke. And when he did you already have taken the pain and the nearest wage and all along is called saturation bombing.

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So you were involved with that they trained you how to do that but that sounds really scary well. You know. And you're looking down rather you know no and you're looking right at them but when you that's pretty scary bell. So you were fortunate for your timing in that that the German surrendered so in ve day which is the day of the surrender you were in England with all the.

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People rejoicing the night before I was another and before. And they called us all back home back home to America the base back to the base and bed for they didn't want to be in there with the civilian population when people started celebrating right right as it was a crazy day everybody went nuts well those people had gone through so much because they were in the war before we were and they know so much I mean it was it was a terrible time so you went back to the base you waited you got the news just like everybody else did and what were you thinking and did you think well I'm going to go whole Well no you didn't have enough points to go home and.

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I don't want and I never have and I never could son but there's still another tale gone and me to give a start Germany as a holding power to holding what holding a party you know about how we were we were there to monitor what was going on and just to have a.

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And both of us took soldiers I mean staff soldiers and they put out 12 cases of whiskey for wrecker ocean I hope you didn't didn't buy. Anyway. This little town and I stayed there to Mars really that's a long time and what was happening. We stayed in the house recorders and the people would come back at night and the officers and get their furniture because they're going to take it.

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The older German officers So you were stationed right there with the Germans right and I didn't bother me a bit it was a day out there and I said you know there would we been in the bomb squad and that was kind of the last line of it there were probably murders if they knew which you had been doing but.

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There was one foul there was only 2 of you 2 Yeah and one we caught this is a kind of funny story the there's a God cult and we warned Ford of loaded and I caught this guy he was doing his own furniture in a way I had to fortify on took in the lock and then across it so yeah I have a jail I have a club so but throughout the morning I came knocking on the door and there's a word you got to hand who got up and I said you know we got him and he lost good so you gotta let him out he's no one knows how to run a generator just and I just.

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I got turned loose you turtle it was the only one that knew how to run the whole city lights up when I got so those kind of little things no one could ever make up their self I know it is so funny yeah I could never make that up but that really wasn't very safe because you were the enemy to battle but the enemy to you that there's to 0 largest move well for.

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It was we were stuck because they were there for 2 months and then they called you back Yeah and but one thing. During Christmas of. 45. And the head surgeon general for the Germans he lived right down and stuff and. He had a most beautiful daughter I mean she was beautiful and I didn't I didn't that guy had a curious and I don't have any you weren't supposed to date the enemy anyway he says Well Christmas she shows and give me a Christmas card really so they be friends at the are there and it be isn't that interesting that they did with Sarah bass yeah.

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But I've always wondered if I had stayed a little bit. That would've worked out it would have a different life if you want to go ahead and. Have it so funny but you had time on your hands because you didn't have a real big assignment you know yeah they said.

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Go ahead have their son both of. You had your own cheap in addition to your 240 five's and lots of time on your hands. But it wasn't a very good time to be sightsee and it was when I would turn. The guy used to pour the lemon. He was stationed in ground troops and real so I rode over Noojee so well that was kind of nice that you guys kept in touch and you knew where he was how would you keep in touch.

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Well my English teacher in high school. Where I'd write her and then she would write me I see and she said Billy's over there and so you just took it upon yourself to drive over there and say hello to him and he must have been surprised that he know you were coming.

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That's a kind of a touching thing to meet up with somebody in a different world altogether right an amazing experience where you you you know you go to spare. And. You never know what's going to happen you know all right so you got called back and what happened there well we're back to England to serve and then they were going to send us to the 9th therefore we were going to the Pacific.

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And the papers already could well then there came a and they said no we won't put you in a different squadron I think it's for 21 and I was in 360. And the dual Casey Jones mission top secret and you had no idea what you were going to do and then I started for them and been that what they teach you how to do that yes really easy.

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So it's really aerial reconnaissance but you're photographing because they had come up with cameras that were good enough then that you could photograph from an airplane 202-0020 thing was 20000 feet we followed on the shore in Norway Germany France and all of it was considered a secret mission it was to prepare to make the United States aware of what was a well what they did they had a room in Washington that they could put these maps.

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In if anybody could. Dre tried to build. Silos of water from the source where they could see their wood comparisons so it was important work but it was considered secret because they didn't want to when all they were doing that it was classified until well after the war was you flew all over you were in the air a lot of well we had different forms a minimum of 4 hours a moment 4 hours a month that's not very much you know I thought I had more than that I did I mean I do 8 hours in one day that money.

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It's better than sitting around and I guess so you got used to that and you flew out of Bedford the whole time there no we were from and. Then when we 1st we 1st order from another Bedford then we transferred we weren't airport Leo the which is in North Africa and then we flew over the castle but we stayed about a wee and then we went to Casablanca and stayed about a week and then went to America so you were really just tapping about right stayed American for 2 weeks doing the porters railroaders are and then we wanted to call for Africa which is a further West Point on Africa and stayed 2 months and always followed him after all of.

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This horrible and. And all of northern Africa and the warders. To do so Africa and you were going to Johannesburg but. Coach. Called my brother want me to come home. For heaven's sakes your brother wrote you what I asked you to if we didn't have You couldn't just leave you hell have.

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You had enough hours by then and enough points is that what they call that you know that the time was equal to points so did you you left in the 146 because you had a reason to come home you had to for years and they had had had Veejay taken place yet or was the war still going on when you left you left didn't use your knowledge for you Jr.

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That. You came home right after that in Julia but the bombs had already been dropped Yeah you know where were you when that was when the bombs were dropped where were you when they bombed to Hiroshima and Nagasaki because you were in the air somewhere but were all the Africa well who we came back then we were going back in for today's over.

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So you were down down in that area yeah. Sure. We were from our car. There for today's or they were on the plane and we always know when you got to. Go. And there's your journey were 1945. And were all that had to be later than that because you were over and in London you're 46 points organics.

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There were 4 hours of the going to the stores and then boarding engine blew. And gild the lily Allen and The Flying came out of this big. Holding we had to wait 2 for 5 or. 6. Years and. Then they have a system where you could flip switches to put the fire.

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And it were. For you would all gone down well when you report on. May wish to Persia and including the brass everybody knew they were and everyone you know I mean do you remember hearing about the bomb being dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki though where were you then when you heard that you know I can't really recall remember nowhere near it I hope no I was not over I never to go to the For Ok so you were always out of this other part of Africa and by that I wondered what that reaction how you reacted to that everybody reacts to hearing that different you know that the horror of that because it was of course a secret until it dropped and that it was a secret anymore well I remember this.

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It is horrible but if it saves American. And they figured. That housing Merican are yeah we've interviewed so many who said they work. Preparing to invade Japan and they would have been killed because the Japanese had you know the beaches were all entrenched for them no no don't don't go through that please that's where your microphone is we need to leave had a house there we go.

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It would have taken they would have all died there's no question of it they wouldn't their winner of Survivor landing so you. Decided to your time was up you were willing to come home how did you get home when you were. Mustered out I got my ship. Out here about liberty she appears Ok from where the whore from France found in the hole for Yeah Ok so you had your journey across and you mustered out of where did you come back for me fair center where did they have you go we landed in the year or so you got did you get discharged from New York.

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And then probably I got discharged from Fort Bragg North Carolina Ok so they must of what you landed in New York you must have gone by train then to North Carolina and that's where you got out and you went back home that would be the 1st thing you do and what you had waiting for you was an absent to play football.

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At the University of Alabama because you knew the coach there you set the telly what happened Well you showed up and what do you say you say he. Had not been good sherry and then trying in any way I would but do to any one who you had paid that much weight and then again the back.

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And normal way the 185. Was my play and Roy and he said Go home lose your way come. Then we'll. Get you started he really wanted you to play Ok you had a g.i. bill so you wouldn't have to have a scholarship right up on the school on the bill all right so did you go home and lose weight or what did you do well I did go home and lost weight but no real good for trade other in and for high school.

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He wanted to go in the real me we were best friends Ok so you're going to got all messed now so cocksure Drew who was ahead he was your coach and. Was now the head coach you told me He knew you and so I went home. And I just didn't like it I'm out there I've been home 2 or 3 weeks and I'm scrimmaging to 20 Yeah I was gonna say you could have lost too much weight in 2 or 3 weeks either well.

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But I ran and ran and I'm in hot hot hot Yeah and then I didn't like it so I came back and that would have been that summer before school actually right then I went and all Vernon stayed 2 weeks for football or just 1st well or you went to their sister summer camp too so you were just happen around from one foot up one college to another trying no other football but you know like a no and then of her in a coach the.

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Referee our high school games and he was Cocos morally and that you were going material right so because the. Said come on and. So that's how I got in Ga tell us how you got to Georgia Tech but I think you at how did you actually get here did you take the bus to come near you Ok so you left Auburn and took the bus to.

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Atlanta there were you never been to Georgia Tech before did you even know who coached at was a Jew ever heard of you know really you didn't know when you were in the army you don't have time to keep up with what's going on in college sports too yet so you come home and you came to right out to the field and did you have a chance to meet I beat out you and how was it was you nice to hear hey he is like I say go and.

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He's what I'm good you're man a good guy and that made you like Georgia Tech better than old Miss Auburn or Alabama that I think Coach your Examiner was a coach at that kosher or it was his or this is just a you know. Co-chair that there was talk of so you got to meet both Atlanta though there legend said Georgia Tech and you got to meet both of them and that was an interesting time because a lot of guys were coming home from the military just like you had a couple in Georgia Tech had a policy that whenever they got out they could start school they have to wait till the following semester at that time we were on quarter system so Georgia Tech had a lot of veterans.

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There were a lot of veterans here you were not unusual you were part of a big crowd so did they tell you go ahead and practice for football then we they brought it. And we had to go through a. Refresher. So I went to Naval Air Station Yeah there were because there were so many students there was no room.

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But you had how did you get there did you have a car I was running the trolley so you'd have to take the bus it only went part of the way there yet and then how did you get there the rest the way hitchhike. Taxi it wasn't exactly convenient but there was nowhere to turn around they didn't have room on the campus not enough room for everybody to come and we practice.

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What they called our green sure. Talk about a richer Yeah we were lower than. You were grades not that red. We. Scream is divorced My gosh well what you were was good material for beating up on then. That would be really tough is so that whole summer to that happen you were going back and forth from the the base for it was for sport and all the records had been transferred it was the same grounds right to care for the airport so you had to go back and forth that summer you were coming here and that you were scrimmaging the far city team we had some really good players back in that time that's where Frank Broyles was here.

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Look Bowen and some of the other ones where the one arm of the most was being really kept there Philly was big time you should remember him he was a big dude all I hear and I saw him then. Down or Scotia and river Tennessee and said There you will remember the.

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U.k. now he pulled up and I was playing in and I put my hands up to keep the of. And I said he hit me so hard I can embrace now all right and he just died like that that was pretty funny that all he did was so we were you trying out for the freshman team with all that scrimmage where I was trying out for the train and I found they detain or and he gave me a scholarship.

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Which you didn't really need because you had the g.i. Bill Yeah but also what happened you know the make the team where you did make no idea where they head for all-American really and. They certainly did so their coaches. Chose those guys and recruit them so they needed me like a whole new here and then they are never going to use your 4 as a punching bag right then they did try they gave me some good terrorist and one particular gain it was about on the squad the green shirt or so to give me a scholarship based on the day.

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We were playing and you and master it was pressures Reaver and. How. So anyway. With the quarterback it we had. We call it a matter of form because. Really what's wrong with. Divorce. Then costarred say do it over and number 40 your day doing. Our war. But in a way.

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It didn't work a show but you decided to stay and go to school right because you had to make a career you had to get a limb and right did you were you thinking about what you might take her how you were going to you were it was all going to be by the luck of the draw see what happened with the football 1st right and so it ended up that in the fall of 1946 you were just going to go to school and you were not going to be playing football but you had met you had met coach Alex you probably lost your extra pounds to write Yeah and back to your good way you were ready to start your new life right all right so here it is you're enrolled in school did you have to say I don't know then but pretty sure you had to say what college you want to go into so have you had.

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Because. That's what you were familiar with you might as a choose that and you never changed you stated that maybe yeah so how well prepared were you for Georgia Tech. Our fortune that. The math teacher. Who was quite a great math teacher. Anyway. He lived and they were.

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Head of the math department so he was he taught you things you needed to know to go to Georgia Tech but. The real problem. Was they graded on the curve and I'm competing with boys. Boys have and they are already calculus and I didn't even know what. I thought I said What is the Yeah Yeah you know that and in those days you got calculus chemistry and physics they were all considered dusting classes they were harder than what you expect they were flunking out because they always had too many people so they were plucked out classes so you really had to work hard in order to stay in school it was easy to get into Georgia Tech then but it was hard to stay now it's hard to get into so you know back in those days so when you started out you were into which dorm was that Brown was your 1st dorm I gave him I think you wore black.

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Warshaw and. They were all pretty miserable because it would be the good one where the tech would dorm because it had just been built not that long before so. There still were offered you know I know I was young Brown and the origin Hershon. So you were in the dormitory and you started going to classes everybody you probably took 14 hours maybe 16 hours your 1st quarter and you were when school with a lot of older guys like you they had been off to the war ready but there were some young ones too to give you so many of the boys had to give you competition.

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And you probably had some point somebody told you look to your left and look to your right only one of you is going to be here next year right did you remember hearing that but living at Brown was easier than living out at the air base Yeah there were a lot of people that were having to live out there so you were lucky and lucky not to have to live out there at least you were living one can coast guard and did a lot of good yeah they pulled your strings and got you a good place here which was great because otherwise you spent a lot of time travel and going back and forth so you got how did you do the 1st quarter at the end of the 1st quarter how did you do.

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It is wonderful. If you passed all the academic probation you were in like Flynn by this time you had gone to I'm sure you went to all the football games didn't you it was kind of expected that you would you had Saturday classes more than likely unless they gave you early poll on your registration and maybe Coach dad helped out with that too I don't know but most of the freshman had Saturday classes you don't really want to go to cause you met a guy at lucky as they say you might have got lucky so they were good teams that the coach dad was having more and more to say and they were bringing back football players from the war so they had pretty good teams so did you enjoy going to the games Yeah did they make you wear red hat.

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No Ok because you were a veteran you were exempted from wearing the red hat people had some respect for you which was a good thing you know you were still young but you were old compared to the 18 year olds Yeah I was 19. Because you don't you must have been home and know you were Ok I was going to you know you were 20 but you had been 2 years at war you have been all over the world and you had seen people die or heard knew of people who died you know what it was to do without you know what it was to be hungry and cold and scared and hear these little 18 year olds that just got to high school didn't know any of that stuff so you were you were what they called a hardened veteran and you were only 20 years old that's pretty amazing isn't it you had to take a deep breath and say My gosh what happened to me so but school after you got through the 1st quarter of it you know you had a good handle on it and did you go home for the Christmas holiday to slaughter parents they were so happy to see you I know they were you know they had been worried about you for years and now you here you are making some money yourself so Jane back in January and hit the books again.

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Did it get easier with time or was it always a hard were. Really good easier example or protect your role on that one couldn't just get it my room. We could more. Boars of those ricers trying to get me one. I just couldn't see it just couldn't and then one day I could only son could see it it was a long learning curve as we know that was it I think goes on wrong so you have to take it more than once you know the awful.

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That's pretty amazing though if you only flunked one class because as you know it was really hard you know there was not a party here at all there were parties on the weekends but people still studied I'm I'm I was told maybe Friday night maybe Saturday night but boy come Sunday everybody was studying.

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Because there was no excuses there are none now you were meeting some really interesting people one of them was George Griffin because he came back from the war and he was appointed the same year that you came here as the dean of students so that's when George Griffin came back and so did you get to know him the 1st year you were here.

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And. I mean he's become a man that when you meet him you feel like you know nor am I here and is just feel like God bless you to let you meet him he was a dear man and he's just a wonderful wonderful man were there any other people that you in the professors that you met that you took classes from people on campus was there anyone else that you remember from that time do you remember a Heinie very good.

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Some around but you didn't have and never had him for class. But one can remember the verses knowing that we've in the room figured out how to get good grades and that was to have the professor teach he you know and he was stood in the civil engineering student but we have never close together and can and can and their dicks mechanism and.

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So we said use their own news server room and they are sort of over here he has a question there's questioned. And we both know that. So the perverse who was talking to each and because we were in the chorus yeah and they found that was what you needed to do to get the attention and know that tell me you I talked to earlier about Dr Taylor who was the head of the young apartment and you said you probably had him in class so you kind of remember him a little bit how you were there with there any other textile professors that you remember yeah it is one.

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I can't remember their name. Or a lot of times gone by. But they were there were several of. Them so they told some of the Sounds like the learning where they were teaching the heart of rehab because we actually had that moving on campus then and they were actually making things that they weren't making them to sell all the time but I can remember when I came they were making things that used to be well what was that this to make towels and they used to make.

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Face cos big wells stadium blankets they were making all kinds of things over there so you got to actually have hands on experience right. The thing about taking textiles though is not only learning the manufacturing process but to understand the whole thing from the beginning to the finished product and then selling that product right so you are learning the business of producing textiles as well as and so you were over in this one building a lot which was the textile building at that time that was yeah that was before we had the high tower building that came after that.

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Did you have a comfortable life on the campus did you like it you joined a fraternity when did you do that. Genius or you waited a little while tell you General that Ok And did that g.i. bill cover all most of your expenses. You know you got. To live on but.

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So you were Ok you were. More mature how much. Of. That got me through your $65.00 and more that I want to ask you when did you decide to become a resident assistant of the bank if you free rent that right. Second year no. Return to somebody don't the Ok.

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To call and so. That's a good deal to be a system because you get your free rent and you get a better room to use you get a bigger room or nicer So where were you the are a at at the here at Harrison then sat with the.

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I think yeah it was it would say Harrison It's not a hard job no you just. Have a key and if a teacher logged in and keep an eye on them that they don't and. The Jews did start and. Move with yours and thanking me and you didn't even for be a nice For just be emerging and then.

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This did the capice things have a lot of parties Yeah. Court of c. So would you go to the parties or the girls yeah the. First was how I was waiting for you to tell me that I figured you must have met her that's pretty much the patter that was happening you know with that sure and they would bring in Agnes Scott girls and the girls from the hospital and even high school girls were to come in we we used to go to reporters over.

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From. St Joe's house yes I mean thank you's to be radical right remind them Brewer it wasn't date and then they would have on Saturday night free beer Wow And you could dance and you like to dance what was your what was your 1st wife's name. So you met Eleanor here.

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At the capital c. and the way I met her overturned her brother. She was a. Good and so I didn't have a picture but she had a picture of Navy because she was working for food and a beach which produced r.n. you know yes of course or so she just needed to know who you were ahead of time and.

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That when she opened the door I mean. You fell in love incidentally. When you were ready you have a tour you were ready and then had gone stating what year was that was that your 2nd. 33rd year Ok but by this time you're you know you're 22 years old so yeah I can see how that could happen what would be a typical date for you where would you take how would people go out and date Well when I was around those the 1948 there was a lot of movie theatre right there.

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Then you will dog or. She was staying with her sister. She had dropped out and she went to Georgia she dropped and she was living with her sister and working in Brighton. Who worked for it and daisies and so we could draw all about and falls from where she lives it was pretty easy to get around Atlanta at that time and what movie theater did you go to all of them are when you know there were Chicago was so much where she lay.

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On poems from the piano and then would go to the fox and then. The toes and then we had towards it. Did you ever go to the Varsity Yeah our city is part of being that Georgia Tech What about the check with theater on the corner there yeah we want some time to go there and there were a lot of things to do yeah if you didn't mind walkin or taken the trolley right right you could go downtown to riches you know.

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So did you settle into life and think it's pretty it was pretty good here yeah I mean I lived it and now you wrote for the yellow jacket which was a magazine that we have kind of a rock Us magazine you know used to get a law used to make George Griffin so mad when you guys would write scandalous stuff and put it in there if I went and found the book could I find your signature on anything.

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You don't think you ever wrote the article for it I've gained I know I was. I was trying to show the magazine Ok so you were in sales and subscriptions Ok And because. If you could so you could make some money yeah yeah that's what got you into it it was an artistic endeavor then it was practical.

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And you know it was a big seller I know the very soon and then the magazines but the blueprints of one that made the money they didn't sell me when he made the editor. Back in 19 for the what it 6 or 7 he made and. You're kidding no I had no idea how could they do that where then they knew he had you know I mean you know.

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There's a new well yeah I've got them but I didn't know that they could make that much money on them they sold them for like $3.00 Yeah but editor Yeah and. There's only one editor. But. You know I think a lot of people yeah it shocks me a lot well it was the city of Atlanta itself was a very busy place because all the veterans were coming back from Atlanta there was a housing shortage so people were are you know graduating and looking for places to live but it was a happy time because the war was over so it was it was probably a good place for young folks to be right it was wonderful you were having a good life here with the whole.

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Good life. Did you ever go to the y.m.c.a.. I did but out of how was never a big well they had dances there that's why I thought I'd ask you about that. And they also had dances at the Biltmore in or for tourney council would have dances at the Biltmore it was it was and they used to have big name bands come would you have taken Eleanor to those kind of dances.

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I don't. I don't remember the dressing up going to bed I know. Yeah I know vaguely remember but it won the big as in a big well you stick to your guns did you go to school in the summertime at all ever or did you always go home for this I want one film will.

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Show up at variation for you Ok so you did one summer school Ok. And you did finish and 4 years which was pretty remarkable Do you remember your graduation. Yeah it was right I don't feel it was one of the largest graduations tech ever had it was the you know at that time it was the largest one because there were so many veterans that had come back you know the younger people that were going to school said that going to school with the veterans was an advantage and a disadvantage the advantage was that everybody was focused you were here to play around for the most part you want to get your degree so you could get out there make a living get married and do your life so the young ones really had to pay attention to learn from you all you know but the classes were huge by that time and so you had a nice graduating class did your parents come for your graduation isn't that great what a gift you gave them for them to see you graduate from Georgia Tech now are you planning to get married when you graduate.

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You know. She told you right after graduation you know all this right after so did you get married here in Atlanta Thomas and showed you in town Ok well that's that the one near is south and yourself one Ok that's just north of They've got big just big textile mills down there yeah yeah the high towers are down there in Thomas and yeah.

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So we know you got married what was going to be your job what were you looking for for a job well. My brother was. Revenue. So you know that I was you know k. So you knew you had an in are ready that means that you probably didn't go through career services right you didn't have to bother you would have met one another wonderful man named Maine named Jim wall for.

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I met him but I didn't He was always so good with the students to handing Griffin were good friends. And if one couldn't get it done the other one could they were both good about really helping there was some other people around the ventilator who was the president here he was down to earth where that was it done and.

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He came right you didn't. Bother he didn't expect you to bad no no it was not full of himself he was happy to see you and talk to you right and he was you know you show respect for many years and he was a fine man yeah did you know ever meet his secretary she was she still living I hear from her all the time her name is Elizabeth arms the I remember the name like she wasn't married then so her last name then was conic over many of the conic.

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And she's going to be 99 years old this year this summer she'll be 99 years old and she's doing fine I'll tell her that you remember her show me I was always. There is. She everybody knew everybody People were we were a community right and the thing is.

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It's you learn if you have a difference of opinion you don't come back and hate each other you just have a different server then you agree to disagree you know that you dry and so then so you could have phoned again you would put that is sure. And they'll soon hear and then use you when you've got proof then you think go back to disagreeing and that's why you should be civil That's called being civil so realized people do that.

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Did you make some good friends in the fraternity Yeah. No room to join the day and in the future Hall could. Tony Higgins was in the room and John options there was an architect major and we were all 3 free and jolly ready to rock is day month after and we were our own each other swearing.

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In the that's nice isn't it now where they veterans 2 years Ok so you're with your own Tony went through the back of the boat so they went yeah it is on shot of and they put it back on wow and then the fam believe Apollo but one who was a great Civil War historian he was classy so you learn a lot from you it was good to have a good roommate that you could learn things from.

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If I asked you I mean if it's so hard to take 4 years of your life and say Tell me everything you know from those 4 years we know you studied hard because you got good grades you got the longer you were in school the better your grades were right that 1st year and a half is really hard and then you get the hang of it you know you're going to stay and then you do better Yuki you just do better in your own major when you got into your textiles you did really well and it was just a question of you know getting it all down and getting that job so you graduated and you probably didn't even go did you go to Avondale to get started before the wedding.

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Yeah and I knew it so Eleanor planned everything you just had to show up right right here showed up next thing you knew you were married and you took her back with you to to aventura loco So yeah so she went back home with you and you all get your own place yeah.

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Yeah well there wasn't a whole lot of choices because that was a small community and a lot of people were coming back but you didn't live in the mill village did you know what did you go back and what was your title your job title training was so they had a program to put you through to become a management person so it never in your wildest dreams when you were a kid did you think you're going to grow up and come back and work there digit and that funny to find yourself back there no I was going to play football there economic coach that's what you're going to be your career and it's funny how it turned out in fact I used to.

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Hear or maybe a new. Battery would tell us to tell you what you should do and their domain should get a ga. And go to some were and become an athletic manager they told you that So you were well fitted for it then and I've spent all my life playing football basketball baseball tennis.

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So but but it hasn't been a bad choice that you get well I don't know I had I'm in a bottom great day and yeah well how did you cry How did you like your career at Avondale did you get along they're good and like it what I do and.

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I've had a wonderful experience in the. 2 years they put me and quality control and sense to go quarter control which was a nice thing basically it was not ne really but it was for the industry they put in their name on it for the industry and basically they were doing it and everything was operating out of the bell curve and.

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I used to run after they put me in a position I would draw from sell a call over here to study books where Dr Shu Howard worked at the Bayeux. And he's originator of statistical quota control and production. What's his last name shoe heart show car and he was really you know there's got dinner to Japan and kind of Deming gaming in it he kind a did it go Dr Shu horror started in 1925 so he was at the barely do whatever very same thing the demi method Demi took the name for it but you say she was I did the work for her and when you said you came here to study that was that he was the book were the book you couldn't get it so you came to our library here.

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I didn't ask you if you knew Mrs Cobb Crosland at the library did you ever know her. I'm sure the show I did you didn't know or know or know Ok when I when I drive a I came and how got in with my nose in the book.

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You know what the library was for yeah and it served you well because you learned a lot about the statistical and got to present a paper. Before the international. Statistical quota control engineers 300 percent of the people in New York City was really a thrill for you to hear that I.

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Was about $25.00 wow that you did that when you were that young that's growing so you were an up and comer and Avondale you knew that you were going to be promoted and promoted and promoted and they had a male it had been those in money and so.

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I've altered I wanted was I want to get rid of the show they put me in charge of it where was it and Steven Chu know about I'm not very far away but it was still about 100 you had to move I didn't I didn't move you commuted a 100 I was doing I did shedding and then in June about a Roman tear.

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I didn't actually even go there I didn't yeah go once or more All right I get to where most of you were able to manage from a fire as we say that Ok so had by this time when you were moving up in the company did you buy your own house in the yeah the alone so you did I had a contract Well that was pretty good so you got you were settled down.

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In the hometown that you had been raised in so you knew everybody right but you were seeing some changes of course how long of a life did your mom and dad have how long did they live. There. Moment. 940. Boy she was really something was a. Where you were close by but she still lived on her own all that time.

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Just to give you. A war dart had. A girl. Even though. Those came to see her all the time. Because she was just. She just took care of everybody under her wing isn't that grand she had such a nice long life that's wonderful so she got to see all of your successes your daddy got to see you be pretty successful he saw you was president of that company he musta been busting his buttons over there well they didn't make me.

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Well you were still believing if you lived to be 77 you told me it was born in 1896 maybe yeah right about that happy now you were success though you were big success and he didn't get to see you make your build your own house. Yes because I ask and not a question that made him proud yeah you build that house and what he taught you even did a good job with that I'm sure that's when you know I'd like I did contract but that's still where you were in charge of it here and had to be real proud of you for all of that that's wonderful So you weren't Avondale until from 1900.

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73. 973 you told me you were fired. That. I was making 60 percent return on investment and. We built a brand and then a loan they'll build and you know. We built a wall in the it was paid for in 2 years and. And they will make in $2000000.00 or.

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Dead and there's a lot of knowing that they would get really rich off of your work so you didn't quit though you said they fail I knew because they didn't understand the business they were stars they were bankers their bankers but they also Avenue was a fabric business and.

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They manufacture their bids for it I mean they did see the mattress cover Yallop. And then the. Whole kind of clothes for a quarter or and several I mean a lot of air Yeah clothing and they had a. Big cover Department girl cover and in fact the head girl.

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She became part of the United States co-counsel. Most people don't know what that is but the council. Corridors are the colors Yeah yeah. Here's a good Friday. And so was really helpful to me. And so you're getting along fine everything's going well in the companies making a lot of money why would they fire you I don't know never told you why.

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I just don't. Know they did. And they did and but they never made money again well they got what they deserved didn't they. They got what they deserve Well I don't change your life to in a way when you look back at it because things got better you were not and had more Another interesting companies so fully on them yeah you took your to a little bit of time we talked about this about how when you did stop working you had been working so hard for so long you just took yourself some time to play some golf and think about where you want to go the next phase of your life right so tell me how come it was you went to Dalton Georgia what made you go visit went to Dallas Georgia Dallas Georgia I thought you said don't know where the kind where no.

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Carbon rug and so that was wedged in and out in the yard. So you were very you had a lot of friends in Dol Yeah and you still had friends you knew from Georgia Tech here and in this area too so after you had rested and thought about it you decided to stay in in the field.

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But start your own company or buy a company that you could run properly and that's what you ended up doing right what was the name of the company you bought a corporate Well that's what you named it well was it when you bought it. Joe. He took it over.

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And foreclosure. Joe they owe Joe a bunch of money. So he took out a. Good show. For their own. And. Joe took it over from the and then he sold it to you and you renamed it in the am because that's Eleanor and me am which is really pretty cool to get a name like that you know.

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For. Although they are. So when you took over that company and renamed it you were the president because you were the president and what were you manufacturing What was it manufacture What did you want to harp on carpet yarn so it was not what you were making when you were at Avondale at all.

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Divisional. Ok so but you knew a lot of people in the business and you know how to make success out of it didn't you yeah. With some fault I don't think anybody else would think it was simple but it was easy for you because you were doing what you knew how to do you know 20 years or so where did you move to.

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Kennesaw Georgia Ok And Eleanor was happy to move. She hated my daughter was real popular. She hated to move or away but you know we make these sacrifices for for family we do that you know and love. First. The. School. Was in. The school that he guided but drove her real problem.

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Nor call. Any what school was she going to go to north. High school Ok And Lisa is your daughter and you already had an older son Steven right he had already finished finished high school and he was always traumatic to move when your and high school but it works out like you say you had a contact and so you moved to Kennesaw but you joined 1st 1st Marietta 1st Baptist Church of Marietta and got involved and met people there too.

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How often did you have to commute up to Dalton. In the zone and from Canada. But is that still quite a ride is whether. There really is and. The dentist. Has stopped. And have been built here but not up there yeah yeah. So did you make a success of the company Yeah you were competing with Shaw not really didn't they make.

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Your. You were making the yard Ok that's right they would be buying it. Nah biggest customers for this is kind of taken a salary or make a silk purse do you know I would buy low grade style for and make it in the on and share that. You know it good brush and most people couldn't compete with and then I had a bank or a bank in New York they got me and tourch with them and who was buying through Horsham hers have all the current.

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Chemical fabric on their German concern. They he had the whole row material substandard and he was bad and like. 25 percent and the 1st quarter prof would be $0.75 so he in market of 10 chance literally 5. I could sell Mario on what most people would pay and for the Roman tour Sure it was a good profit industry for sure it made.

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It made it pretty easy to show. So it was good it was a good move yeah to start that company into the bottom line a war how many people did you employ well stored all 49. Real Rangers. Will. Move in and change. 62 people making a 100 wow that's pets being a fish it wasn't for of and you know.

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You do what you say you. Learn. You learn how to solve the problem how to think through everything thanking that I've gained a member Hanon professors here. If we can teach you the thing. We've done our job yeah that's exactly it's the same way today take it all apart think of each part of it and then you can easily solve the problem it's the same thing they're teaching today I learned how to think and learn how to solve problems by a company take your time look it over see what some working right fix that up and then you just sit back and get rich right that's what it runs well I don't know really.

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Got comfortable you didn't have to worry about where your next meal was coming from and that's the beauty of all that so. And you stayed at the job you've been and you enjoyed life in Marietta as well or Kennesaw because to Maria you got involved with the exchange group and church and you did a lot of things that were fun and interesting you had a good life here.

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The most important. No experience 1st. We had a clash call and most of us in the group of people did a lot of wonderful gun the mayor of of new. Clothes the head of the. Some of the top people. And then join our cause but some of the things that we did we put up a whole houses for people who come in through the cd money to a place just.

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And we ran for several years until a stove or stove Here here but still you had experience you had that experience or you worked we think we you think yes you said to me you think you probably worked until 998 and then you turn the company over to your son.

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And then. One can pretty good but the girl much started Rulon. Well the whole textile industry changed drastically you saw it from its infancy stages relatively early in the game to where it is today I mean you saw all that happen. It was. Predictable right you know as you saw it coming that it was going to be cheaper to make things offshore because of all the taxes than.

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Manipulation and power seas and things of that sort so yeah it kind of left the country the textile industry was a hybrid but really we were this country was compared but they put into many regular you share. You couldn't keep up with. So how long did Eleanor life she.

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And the whole 4. Or 4 and we are living here in Kennesaw at that time Ok And then how did you end up down in Florida where. We bought a place. In the community here. And we went back and forth and. Then. We spent more time in. 03 she story getting.

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As. Before So we showed. That. We were neighbors but. Then we came back she want to be she had to live here Ok you want to be home yeah and then after she passed you still kept going down to Florida then. Not really. I don't really know how Jonah got to get.

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Don't know No I can't figure if I. Go back. We both go There's a better link that God told us to get together where did she plan a wedding like Eleanor did you just find yourself married again is that it but. Not exactly this time I love it Ok.

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So when did you move to Miramar Beach. When. Ok so you that's when you hear her if you heard one of the. More before. You both were through the grieving process and we used to go out to dinner together we had a couple so you knew her a long time.

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And all of that long 10 years where you know each other well that so she kept her house and then you just moved down when you got married you moved into that house that well that worked out really well then. It's been wonderful like last night. He had disagreements with her and you know I have in my disagreement that if you hand murder you in the she's keeping you go and yeah and he's absolutely right about that where she's a nurse Well that helps I mean even if she was it.

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Just not just by her very presence she gives you a reason to try to keep people on so tell me a little bit about Steve where did he go to school he went home burned he went where you didn't like it how bought that how he liked it better than you I guess well.

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The daughter or dog and so on and the worst of all burns she did to how they all betrayed you and went to Auburn and Susan went dog. Our grandchildren went over all fine so the Hanes is are really an Auburn family with the exception of you. The state cast about being a Georgia Tech Guy Yeah did you try to teach your grandchildren how saying I'm rambling wreck from Georgia Tech Yeah they all know how to do that and I'm trying to influence a few of your great grandchildren.

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Get a brand on record there yet I hope so and yeah well I've. Got a lawyer and a lot of the Set your tender moment Marlise. He was so little when. Mrs daughter's. Daughter got married he was in the waiting is brother who is through 34 years older than him pulled him down the aisle in a wagon arms over their game Olympic demur and was gone and he was a.

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Asher Sure yeah and Coleman when the he saw me it was ago and you took a while and he put his on like. And you know he didn't nobody said anything then no and then I. Thank you then. I had all of my fans and grandchildren and everybody.

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Not gonna lose it it's theirs Yeah yeah no it was Madonna Yeah I had all 20 something. And anyway. Coleman nobody told mourners. So you know he's got a buddy Yeah well maybe you can influence him to come can work in your work in Iraq 8 are we your Steve Stephen and his wife's name is what is Susan we met Susan today Steve and Susan have 3 children Yes Ok and their names are what.

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Amy. Jennifer and so one grandson and 2 granddaughters there are and Lisa is married to who Steve Turner saved to Steve's in the family Ok So Elise and state her Steve have 2 children and their brother and Missy to work so you have one grandson and 4 granddaughters in total and out of them 5 great grandchildren how lucky are you.

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Blessed indeed how lucky you are and we'll. Had a bore so so Ok so we're going to have it so the. Daughter. Jennifer. No she's going to. Go have a show that she had a daughter. I guess. Well you're lucky aren't you and you know well God has blessed me and for me we're Well it's been such a pleasure to sit here and listen to your story and to save it for Georgia Tech.

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We're so happy that you gave us your time today and that you came all the way from Miramar Beach to do it so. It turned out to be just fine there was nothing to worry about right we even didn't have any rain to worry about so thank you so much for spending time with us this afternoon it's been a pleasure and always stay in touch with you Ok.

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Put it there pal. Thank you for.