[MUSIC - MISSION OF BURMA, "POSSESSION"] CHARLIE BENNETT: Can you explain what digital humanities are in less than 45 seconds? 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: That's easy. It took my whole time in graduate school for us to come to a definition. But the one that I think most people settled on and that I like is, it's using digital methods to do traditional humanities subjects, or taking humanities frameworks to look at digital technologies. It can obviously be much more contentious. And, at least for my grad school experience, it was just such a new field that people were trying to figure out exactly what it was and what they were doing. So yeah, got an easy tagline now. 

[MUSIC - TELEVISION, "FRICTION"] 

CHARLIE BENNETT: You are listening to WREK Atlanta. This is Lost in the Stacks, the research library rock and roll radio show. I'm Charlie Bennett in the virtual studio with Fred Rascoe and Wendy Hagenmaier. Each week on Lost in the Stacks, we pick a theme and then use it to create a mix of music and library talk. Whichever you are here for, we hope you dig it. 

FRED RASCOE: Our show today is called Across the Folders, for reasons that should become clear later on in the hour. Our subject is the Ivan Allen Digital Archive, a digital humanities project built around a collection of mayoral records from the terms of Atlanta Mayor Ivan Allen Jr. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: And to delve into the project, we'll be speaking to a couple of Georgia Tech faculty members from the, what's this, the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts. 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: Named after the very same mayor. I hope you two librarians handled yourselves OK in a conversation about citizen archiving. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh man, now I hope so too. 

FRED RASCOE: Yeah, I'm getting nervous now. Our songs today are about discovery, trying to handle a lot of content, and strategies for moving forward. Bonus, since Ivan Allen's term as mayor was from 1962 to 1970, we're playing all music from that time period. Double bonus, since Ivan Allen's tenure was arguably as important for the state of Georgia as it was for the city of Atlanta, we're playing all artists from Atlanta and Georgia. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Fred, you are having too much fun as music supervisor. 

FRED RASCOE: Oh, I love bonuses. So let's start with an Atlanta pop icon who had big national hits in the 1960s. And this is one of his first from 1962. This is "Everybody" by Tommy Rowe, right here on Lost in the Stacks. 

[MUSIC - TOMMY ROE, "EVERYBODY"] 

TOMMY ROWE: (SINGING) Everybody, everybody. 

FRED RASCOE: That was "Everybody" by Tommy Rowe, and this is Lost in the Stacks. Our interview today is with Professor Todd Michney of the School of History and Sociology at Georgia Tech and Dr. Brad Rittenhouse of the Digital Integrative Liberal Arts Center a.k.a. DILAC. We started by asking Todd how the Ivan Allen Digital Archive came to be. 

TODD MICHNEY: I came to Georgia Tech in 2015. And at that point, this project already had some legs, because what had happened was, they discovered 22 boxes of Mayor Ivan Allen's mayoral records in the basement of Atlanta City Hall. Dean Jackie Royster was looking to kind of promote, celebrate, acknowledge the legacy of Mayor Ivan Allen. And she had the foresight to see that this could be a very welcome addition to the historical record. 

Some of the best studies we'd had in Atlanta had not had access to these records that were found. What immediately made this possible was the founding of DILAC, the Digital Integrative Liberal Arts Center, which was funded with the Mellon Foundation grant. So we were one of the initial awardees in March 2016. Our proposal was to digitize a significant portion of those records that had been found in the basement of Atlanta at City Hall. 

We sought to develop an interface that would move beyond just a traditional kind of digitized archive, so that we could somehow assist researchers in finding the materials they were most interested in most quickly, but also, to give them a leg up to be able to explore the collections without needing any pre-existing knowledge of the contents. 

FRED RASCOE: When these records were found, did the mayor's office reach out to Georgia Tech specifically? Or did you have to-- was it just put out there for anyone to submit a proposal for what to do with this, and Georgia Tech just happened to have that proposal, that one, I guess. 

TODD MICHNEY: You know, it's a great question that I wish I had the answer to. And I give so much credit to Dean Jackie Royster, who finessed some of these arrangements. And quite honestly, I've worked about four years as an archivist while I was in grad school and after. And I thought there was no way the Atlanta History Center was going to allow us to digitize these records. 

And so, I think, who found the records knew to tell Dean Royster how she found out about that. I think maybe the Allen family was involved on some level, because Mayor Ivan Allen's family has always wanted to celebrate his legacy. And I should mention, my colleague, Ron Beyer, he had written a biography of Ivan Allen as far back as 2011. This all has to do with the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, which was named after Mayor Allen and was founded in 1990. And so, the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts has a stake in celebrating, and commemorating, and revisiting Mayor Allen's legacy. 

The actual physical papers are housed at the Atlanta History Center. So they're the property of the city of Atlanta, and they're public records. But they're housed at the Atlanta History Center. The digitized portion, which is some 30,000 pages, is only about a quarter to a third of the physical papers. And so, we did have to make some decisions about what was going to be included in the digitization project, just because it was so unwieldy. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Were you enticed by the fact that you were going to have a collection of the digitized records. Or are the records themselves the real professional concern for you? 

TODD MICHNEY: I'm a professional historian. I'm very comfortable with large archival collections. I've used collections of up to several thousand boxes. But when you use a traditional finding aid, you're really just going by the folder-level descriptions. You don't know what you're going to find in there. 

And you have to prioritize on the basis of what kind of time you have and how many thousands of pages you can manage to flip through and scan visually. So I think digitizing any collection, especially if you have good OCR, and that is optical character recognition, that is an issue it is improving, even on the initial iteration of this project. The first run of OCR wasn't that great. But it's getting better and better. 

How much is the experience changed when you're going from turning physical papers to flipping through PDF pages? I mean, it's maybe easier on your wrist not getting carpal tunnel syndrome and having to wait on library staff to bring you boxes. But at the same time, you could still be in for quite a lot of work if you're flipping through thousands of pages. And even if you have keyword searchability, you might have to filter through thousands of hits. 

So our idea was to try to use artificial intelligence to identify, what were the significant named entities in the collection. So we've used natural language processing and named entity recognition to get the computer to tell us who are the people? Who are the organizations? What are the geographic place names? What are the dates on the documents? 

And that way, we can start honing our searches. And we can also start seeing how do these different documents relate to one another on the basis of their content. So, in a traditional collection, everything that's in the folder has some relationship. That's why it's in a folder together. But it's hard to connect content across folders. And you might not even know to look in a certain folder, or that it might have some relationship back to something in the folder you're looking at. We're seeking to enhance the search experience to make it easier, more accessible, and more efficient. 

FRED RASCOE: What is the user searching for? What kinds of items are in this collection? 

TODD MICHNEY: Ivan Allen Jr. was the mayor of Atlanta from 1962 to 1970. And this is a very tumultuous period in Atlanta's history and in the country as a whole, with a rising Civil Rights Movement that had begun in the 1950s or before coming to a head. And Ivan Allen, despite his ambivalence in past, in the 1950s, of not really being a civil rights advocate, to his credit, came around and became the only Southern mayor to testify in Congress in support of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. 

And so, he oversaw the city at a time that it was going through important changes. Also, Ivan Allen's economic development policies, for better or for worse, changed Atlanta and put it on the path toward the international city that it is today. To understand Atlanta of today, we need to look directly back to Ivan Allen. And so, you can find any number of interesting topics represented in the collection that would include the building of that infrastructure, like the Fulton County Stadium, like the Summerhill disturbances in 1966, which was a civil unrest. 

Atlanta escaped a lot of the large-scale rioting that took place in large US cities from 1966 to 1968. But we did have the Summerhill disturbances, the Martin Luther King funeral, the integration of the fire department and the police force. There is an incident in 1962 where Ivan Allen actually acceded to the request of white homeowners to build a barricade across patent road. And that became national news. 

And actually, it coincided with the building of the Berlin Wall. So we had Atlanta's little Berlin Wall that became quite a scandal. And Mayor Allen quickly removed that barricade, realizing that wasn't a good public relations move. Really, there's a lot of important local history that documents that period that was so formative in Atlanta and in the country as a whole. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: We'll be back with more from Todd Michney and Brad Rittenhouse of the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts at Georgia Tech after a music set. 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: File this set under QH1.D68. 

[MUSIC - KINDRED SPIRIT, "MOUNTAIN SONG"] 

[MUSIC - JAMES BROWN, "OUT OF SIGHT"] 

JAMES BROWN: (SINGING) Ooh-wee. Out of sight. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: You just heard "Out of Sight" by James Brown from Augusta from 1964. And before that, "Mountain Song" by Kindred Spirit, folk group from Atlanta 1968. Those were songs about discovery and revealing new things. 

[MUSIC - TELEVISION, "FRICTION"] 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: This is Lost in the Stacks. And we're speaking with Professor Todd Michney and Dr. Brad Rittenhouse about the Ivan Allen Digital Archive. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: So Brad, I hear Todd's sort of historian bug that he's been bitten with. What brought you into the project? What's the thing that compels you to be part of the archive project? 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: Yeah. So as Todd said, the project was kind of initially started with some funding from the Digital Integrative Liberal Arts Center at Georgia Tech. And I was brought in 2017 as the manager of that lab. And my position there is to help develop the projects that the lab funds, in addition to many other things. But this was one of the projects that was currently being funded. 

And when I got there, all of the digitization had been completed. But then, at that point, they had something like 13,000 documents and didn't really know how to explore them or how to get information out of them. It's great to have them digitized. And as Todd said, that opens up a whole new world of ways of interacting with and ways of gaining knowledge from text. 

But the parts weren't really in place to do that. Obviously, you can do keyword searches and things like that, but it's not really a sophisticated way of dealing with digitized text. So initially, I kind of acted as a technical advisor for the project and advised them on some natural language processing and knowledge graphing tools and methods that they could use to gain some more knowledge of these documents. 

And with that information, Todd and Steve Hodges, who is the head of IT at Ivan Allen College created a junior capstone program for students to work on this project. After they kind of did some initial development work, I approached Todd and also Wendy Hagenmaier, your colleague and digital archivist at Georgia Tech. And we wrote an NEH grant to further develop this system. 

We did land that grant. And since 2019, I've been working as a co-director and co-PI on that project with Todd. And Wendy is also an advisor for that project. And we've been developing the tool that we use to navigate the Ivan Allen Archive, but which can also be used for other archives. We've been developing that with a VIP class, where Georgia Tech students help us develop this project. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: So I hope I'm not asking you the equivalent of summarize in search of lost time, but can you explain what natural language processing and knowledge mapping are to someone who has not heard about that. 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: Sure. Yeah. So natural language processing describes kind of a broad range of methodologies that we use to computationally understand language and explore language. The specific process that we use for this project, as Todd said, named entity recognition, which can be done through a variety of methods. 

One of the ways is say building a grammar tree of digital text, identifying these are the nouns or objects in this text, and these are the proper nouns. And it sorts them into different categories of people, places, laws, languages, works of art, those types of things. For me, I think that's an interesting way to understand a body of written text, to know the important things that are in it. There are other ways of gaining knowledge of text. 

But, with using named entity recognition, one of the better ways to understand, and visualize, and interact with that is something called knowledge graphing, which is sort of like social network graphing, which people may be more familiar with. But basically, it plots, in physical space, the interconnected entities in a text. And you can define those connections in different ways. 

For our project, we define it as, these entities appear in the same document. That would be a connection. And visualize the people, places, things, other entities are kind of circles or nodes in space connected by lines or edges that show that they have appeared in the same document. You can do that in different ways. You can quantify it in different ways. 

Doing natural language processing, in many ways, is turning text into information or quantities. So you could say, if they appear in the same sentence, or the same paragraph, or other measures. That's just how we do it there. But yeah, the knowledge graph is basically the thing that we decided on as an interface for interacting with the information that we produce by digitizing and doing named entity recognition on the texts. 

FRED RASCOE: Is the Ivan Allen Digital Archive ready for users to come and use those kinds of tools, natural language processing? And if so, do you do if there's already scholarship being done using this archive? 

TODD MICHNEY: It's been used in a number of classes here at Georgia Tech on projects. It's been used by myself and by some colleagues I've given the URL to. I think it would be great to understand how people are using it. We're always looking for user testers to give us a sense of how useful this interface is and to improve it. 

And we've had several rounds of user testing. We had a community researcher workshop in fall 2019, where we invited archivists and librarians from around Atlanta. But also, we approached the Summerhill community organization, because of that connection to the Summerhill disturbances. And we thought that they would be particularly interested to peer behind the curtain and see what sorts of materials were in the collection, because we feel like this tool is a kind of democratizing tool that could be used by local communities to navigate their own records. 

So it was really interesting to see how ordinary people, as in not professionally trained historians and archivists, would use a collection like this and not be overwhelmed by it. And the results were generally positive. So it is being used. We periodically update, push changes to the interface, as they become available. And we'll continue to refine it for the duration of the grant. And because it's open source, other people may also decide to continue refining it and developing new functionalities. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: So I think this is a perfect moment to drop in the website. It's allenarchive.iac.gatech.edu. And that's Allen spelled A-L-L-E-N. Everyone, you're on your own with the word archive. 

FRED RASCOE: You're listening to Lost in the Stacks. And we'll be back with more from Professor Todd Michney and Dr. Brad Rittenhouse on the left side of the hour. 

AISHA JOHNSON: Hello. This is Aisha Johnson. I'm the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Outreach. You're listening to Lost in the Stacks, the research library rock and roll radio show on WREK Atlanta. [LAUGHS] 

[MUSIC - THE ROOTS, "THE SEED (2.0)"] 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Today's show is called Across the Folders about the Ivan Allen Digital Archives, a digital humanities project dealing with a collection of documents from the 60s that were very recently digitized. And I had to change that line so I didn't say digita, digita, digita. I asked one of our guests, Professor Todd Michney, how it felt to work with those digital records compared to the original paper. What about the material umph? 

TODD MICHNEY: Gosh, I think when you're handling something physically, you have a better sense of how the materials are organized, because it's been another human who's put them in that arrangement. So in a way, when you're approaching computer, the computer is looking at it in a completely different fashion. So I think that there's always a little kind of uncanniness. 

And so, I think we've been trying to figure ways to make it fit better with our expectations and our needs as humans. So how to leverage the power of the computer to conduct these kinds of searches that may push our interests in different directions than they would otherwise take. But something that's going to be intuitive and something that's going to be useful, instead of just something that makes a very unusual looking graph. 

Technology is not kind of a be all and end all. It has to be put in the service of increased efficiency, or revealing insights we wouldn't otherwise get, ease of access, not just technology for technology's sake. As we know, technology always develops in a cultural context. And so, I think just being appreciative of that as we develop these different digital humanistic tools and approaches. 

[MUSIC - OTIS REDDING, "HARD TO HANDLE"] 

File this under CT275.8532W5. 

[MUSIC - THE JESTERS, "WASHED ASHORE"] 

THE JESTERS: (SINGING) Baby, here I am. I'm a man on the scene. 

[MUSIC - LITTLE PHIL AND THE NIGHT SHADOWS, "SO MUCH"] 

LITTLE PHIL AND THE NIGHT SHADOWS: (SINGING) So much, so much, so much, so much, so much. 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: You just heard "So Much" by Little Phil and the Night Shadows from 1966 in Atlanta. And before that, "Washed Ashore" by the Jesters from 1967, who were from Athens. And we kicked it off with "Hard To Handle" by-- 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah we did. 

--Otis Redding from 1968, who was from Macon. Those were songs about being overwhelmed when trying to handle a lot of content. 

[MUSIC - TELEVISION, "FRICTION"] 

FRED RASCOE: This is Lost in the Stacks, and our show today is called Across the Folders. Our guests are Professor Todd Michney and Dr. Brad Rittenhouse of the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts at Georgia Tech. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: So Todd, when Brad was explaining some of the stuff that the processing would do, it sounded to me almost like it's a jump start of the research process in that it gets you to a, I've scanned the documents place, without having to do your first read-through. Is that what happens? Or what else is it automating or supporting in the research process for you? 

TODD MICHNEY: Typically, a professional historian approaches an archive with some pre-existing knowledge. They know what they're looking for. But then, even as they open folders and look through those, there's a learning curve. And you may not realize what you're looking at. And so that can be a pretty daunting process. It's tedious enough for someone who's trained and comfortable to be able to do that. 

If we can make clear how do different people connect, it's just going to give a leg up to researchers who may not come with that information. I could give you an example. So I was looking up Jewish leaders in Atlanta in the 1960s. Someone had asked me, had noticed, a particular organization. And I was able to identify individuals and then see where they were involved in other organizations at the time that related to housing, urban development, education. 

And so, that's something that you wouldn't really be able to do through a traditional research strategy. You might be able to go to folders containing materials on each of those organizations. But then, to figure out the people mentioned in that folder, what other sorts of things were they doing, what kind of civic interest did they have, would be far more difficult. 

An idea that I've had for this from the very beginning was to try and explode the archive. And what I mean by that is, when you go in an archive, you can't rearrange the materials to your own liking, obviously. Whatever order the collection comes in, as long as it's a viable order, there's a belief that it should stay in that order. 

So you can't come in and just start reorganizing folders, putting documents in chronological order. And we realized that, on this platform potentially, if we got good canonical dates for each document, we could literally reshuffle those and put them in chronological order. And that would be a, obviously, impractical or totally impossible research strategy for a historian. 

Let's say you wanted to get an understanding of what Ivan Allen's administration was doing during a particular week when something important happened. You could reshuffle the documents and see what else was on the mayor's desk at that moment. And that might provide insights into things that were happening. There's no way you'd be able to gain that knowledge just using traditional methods. 

So that's kind of an aspirational goal. We found it's really difficult to identify canonical dates and then push those into the metadata to be able to do that. But those are the kind of ideas that we're having. What if you could take an archive, and rearrange it to your own specifications, and start to see some of these connections? Really, the computer is just giving us a leg up to be able to do that and think about these materials in a different sort of way. 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: I think the thing that's interesting for me is, a lot of research that we do, whether it's looking for a pair of shoes on Google or doing academic research, it's all very keyword-based. So we know what we want to go and find, and we type that in. And we get results that are related to that. 

With this system, you can choose to basically visualize the entire archive. And it will show you all of the entities in those 13,000 documents and every other thing that it connects to in the archive. So you may be someone who's interested in looking at where Martin Luther King Jr. shows up in this archive. And you may have some idea that he connects to the Civil Rights Movement and maybe someone like Stokely Carmichael, et cetera. 

But if you go in and you click on Martin Luther King, you're going to see every single thing that he connects to, which is not something that you can do in a physical archive. You can identify the boxes and folders that archivists have identified as talking about Martin Luther King Jr. They probably did do a very good job. We love our archivists. But you can't really have that full vision of a tax collection in the same way as you can with it kind of displayed out in front of you on the screen. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Does this connect to the headings I see on the website for pedagogical exhibits and curriculum materials? Do people get to create their custom vision of the archive and then save that? Or what are those two headings? 

TODD MICHNEY: Actually, there were kind of two separate tracks for this project. You can search using our interface that we've been talking about this whole time. Or you can even just go folder by folder and just do literally what you would do if you were paging through those folders by hand. And a lot of those exhibits were developed by postdoctoral fellows teaching in the Britain postdoc program, especially Nicholas Sturm and Amanda Madden, who encouraged their students to explore the collection, find materials, and then build these exhibits to showcase the materials that you can find in there. 

Some others were contributed by one of our grad students here in the School of History and Sociology. And that was Mario Bianchini. And he was particularly interested in the Peyton Road Wall incident, because he's a historian of East Germany. And he was really struck by the fact that this controversy was taking place at the same time the Berlin Wall is going up. So we had Atlanta's Berlin Wall. 

And so, he was able to identify those documents and build that exhibit. So I think the exhibits kind of show what the potential of the collection is. And it's a way that we would imagine people in the community and probably non-academic researchers what they might do with the materials therein. 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: So that is functionality that we want to develop. The tool is built on a platform called Omeka, which is a digital archiving tool in broad use in academia and beyond. The exhibits function is something that you can do in Omeka, though, the way that it's set up by default is only people who are users for that site can create exhibits. So I don't think, at this point, the general public can create exhibits on our site. 

But that is something that we want to do. But there is, as Todd said, this is kind of two projects in one. We are building the Allen Digital Archive. But we're also building the tool that we use to explore the Allen Digital Archive. The tool is called Archiviz. That's what we're funded to build by the NEH, the National Endowment for the Humanities. 

And the tool will be made publicly available and open source, so that anyone can take any documents that they have, put them into this system, and then use the toolset to explore their collection. I know we're focusing on the Allen Archive today. But you can also use this tool and build your own archives about the things that are relevant to you. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: i'd like each of you to sort of project out for the next year. What do you hope will happen with this project, either the Allen Archive or with Archiviz. What's next? 

TODD MICHNEY: Well, the first thing I would mention is a one day symposium we have coming up on April 8, which will formally launch the archive, introduce it to the public, because we haven't really had a good chance to showcase this and encourage people to explore it. We're very excited. 

And it's taking the form of this symposium where we're going to use the Ivan Allen mayoral papers as kind of a foil to kind of think what we're doing when we're archiving and to think about whose experiences are most often represented. So a lot of the panels for the day are going to revolve around community archives, in particular archivists from historically Black colleges and institutions that collect African-American history, like the Auburn Avenue Research Center, who are going to kind of give the other side. 

So what we're trying to do is put these papers in dialogue with the broader Atlanta community history. We've got a archivist artist Brian Foo, who's giving the morning keynote for the event. And he's done some really amazing digital visualizations on various topics. And then, for the afternoon keynote, we have Dean Tomiko Brown-Nagin of Harvard University, who is really the leading scholar on Atlanta's Civil Rights Movement. And so, she'll be in a position to give us a sense of Mayor Ivan Allen's larger significance and to weigh in on how this city has developed since his tenure as mayor. So that's one thing coming up that I think will be really exciting and will give us a chance to really show what there is to offer in this collection. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Brad, from the Omeka or the DILAC side, what do you hope to see happen in the next year? 

BRAD RITTENHOUSE: Yeah. So in the next year, our grant with the NEH will be coming to a close, at which point we, as I think alluded to earlier, will be releasing the platform to the public. We'll be making it available as a docker image through our GitHub and also through the Omeka website. So if you're listening and you find this interesting, that will be available February 2023, which is when our funding comes to an end. 

TODD MICHNEY: I would mention also that Brad and I will be presenting at the Digital History 2022 Conference, which is in Tokyo. Unfortunately, it is all virtual. It looks like that's going to be in front of a screen, like we have been for the last two years. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Our guests today are Professor Todd Michney of the School of History and Sociology at Georgia Tech and Dr. Brad Rittenhouse of the Digital Integrative Liberal Arts Center, DILAC, speaking to us about the Ivan Allen Digital Archive. 

FRED RASCOE: File this set under Z701.3.D54D54. 

[MUSIC - THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND, "TROUBLE NO MORE"] 

[MUSIC - GLADYS KNIGHT AND THE PIPS, "STOP AND GET A HOLD OF MYSLEF"] 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: You just heard "Stop and Get a Hold on Myself" by Gladys Knight and the Pips from 1965. They were from Atlanta. And before that, "Trouble No More" by The Allman Brothers Band from 1969. They were from Macon, which was their adopted home. Those were songs about tools and strategies for moving forward. 

[MUSIC- TELEVISION, "FRICTION"] 

FRED RASCOE: Our show today is called Across the Folders about the digital humanities project, the Ivan Allen Digital Archive. And while normally, at this point in the show, we would all throw our two cents into the fountain, I think we should pull one of our colleagues into the virtual studio for a special PSA. 

CATHERINE MANCI: Thanks, Fred. Hi, everyone. It's Catherine Manci, the Public Programming and Community Engagement Librarian. And I am excited to invite everyone to the Revisiting and Archiving Civil Rights and Atlanta in the 1960s symposium to introduce the Mayor Ivan Allen Digital Archive. 

Todd may have already mentioned this, but I wanted to personally invite all of you to this symposium on April 8. You can join us either in person or virtually. You can register at library.gatech.edu/allen. A-L-L-E-N. And I look forward to seeing you there. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: And with that public service announcement, we roll the credits. 

[MUSIC - THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND, "WHIPPING POST"] 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: Lost in the Stacks is a collaboration between WREK Atlanta and the Georgia Tech Library, written and produced by Charlie Bennett, Fred Rascoe, Marlee Givens, and Wendy Hagenmaier. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: That's you. 

FRED RASCOE: Today's show was edited and assembled by Charlie, using almost all born digital materials. And the ones that didn't start that way were digitized a long time ago. 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: Legal counsel and an overstuffed box found in a basement were provided by the Burrus Intellectual Property Law Group in Atlanta, Georgia. 

CHARLIE BENNETT: Special thanks to Todd and Brad for being on the show, to everyone in the chain of custody for those mayoral records, and thanks, as always, to each and every one of you for listening. 

FRED RASCOE: Find us online at lostinthestacks.org. And you can subscribe to our podcast pretty much anywhere you get your audio fix. 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: Next week's show is all about the artist in residence at the Georgia Tech Library. 

[MUSIC - THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND, "WHIPPING POST"] 

WENDY HAGENMAIER: Bright colors, digital manipulations, and putting students into the work of art. 

FRED RASCOE: It's time for our last song today. And the artists we're about to play isn't strictly from Atlanta or Georgia. How many of us are, really? But she spent a lot of time here. 

And in particular, she recorded here for Atlanta's premiere R&B label in the 1960s, which was called Peachtree records. So, 1969, here's "Share What You Got" by Mitty Collier. Hey, that's a nice sentiment for a show about sharing tools and content. Share what you got. Have a great weekend, everybody. 

[MUSIC - THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND, "WHIPPING POST"] 

[MUSIC - MITTY COLLIER, "SHARE WHAT YOU GOT"] 

MITTY COLLIER: (SINGING) I'll give a--