Yeah.

I think I'm going to let you tell me.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you for
I appreciate I appreciate that.

Where do I start.

Let's see my name is Rick Duke.

I am actually from Atlanta.

I was actually born in
Crawford Long Hospital so

I am really a local guy are not what
we used to call Crawford long as.

It's Emory Midtown is that right is
the one from Emory here I know Ted is

with the Philly with him and so we use
the brand the new brand Emery midtown.

I still call it Crawford Long.

I went to school at
Georgia Tech spent ten years

in the private sector in manufacturing.

And all this is leading somewhere OK.

I was an industrial engineer in
manufacturing with Kraft Foods and

worked in three different plants and then
actually came to work for Georgia Tech.

And a part of the university that
is really in essence you could call

it the public service or the outreach or
the extension or the tech transfer.

I mean you can use those
terms to describe it.

It is now called the enterprise innovation
institute and I moved to Dublin Georgia.

I grew up in Atlanta.

And I was living in Florida at the time
and I was applying for a job and

they said well we have
an opening in Dublin Georgia and

I said what course doublet I
mean what never heard of it.

I never heard of it.

And then I moved there and
spent three years in Dublin Georgia in

middle georgia how many people know where
Dublin is most of you probably OK good.

Well I'm glad what Dublin for those that
don't know because I see some people want

to know what do you like me
Dublin Georgia is not quite

half way between Macon and Savannah if
you've ever driven to Savannah you.

Past several Dublin exits OK.

There probably are two or three exit you
can get off and go to Dublin Georgia.

It's a community that has maybe
at the time I moved there

thirty five thousand people.

Nice rural community middle
georgia liked it very much.

Three years later moved
to Gainesville Georgia.

Most everyone over again for
about an hour north of there.

And yes and so over over twenty five years
that I spent with Georgia Tech and out.

I retired in December I worked all
around the state of Georgia doing

essentially community economic
development of what does that have to do

with designs and technologies for
healthy aging and aging in place.

And it has something to do with it.

But not a lot to do with it necessarily

even though I think there are economic
development implications.

So about five years ago I
had a chance to step out of

completely the arena of community economic
development and look at health care and

elder care but I was looking at it from
an economic development standpoint.

So went around the state and literally
in some other parts of the country and

I spoke with about three
hundred people to say well

what's going on now in health care in
elder care in Georgia who's doing what.

And what might a role before
a university like tech to add value and

health care and health care overall.

Early end of that process.

I very early.

I was pointed in the direction of
something called a continuing care

retirement community called Park Springs.

It's actually out in style mound and
it was at that time.

Carolyn it's almost a brand
new recently opened.

How many of you.
Bendis park springs are no parks right.

How many of you know what
a continuing care would.

Community.

Most of you don't.

When I drove out they are and
got through the security gate and

went into the lobby and met some people
and spent about fifteen twenty minutes and

looked around and I went off.

OK.

Look.

I don't know anything about
a continuing care retirement community.

I don't know anything
much about elder care.

I didn't really know anything about
health care to be out with you but

I do know economic development.

And when I looked around that campus and
found out OK well they invested

one hundred million dollars to build it
they employ about two hundred people.

If not more many of whom
are skilled health care providers.

They have four hundred residents

those residents are going out spending
money in the community every day.

Those are particular that are part
of the independent living sun.

And the operators of
the community are spending money

to support the residents that are within
the boundary of the C.C.R. see every day.

OK I don't know elder care but
I know economic development and

I think that's economic development.

Even though I don't think many
people had made the connection.

So I spent about a year with some other.

Colleagues here at Tech Georgia State and
Georgia Southern.

Looking at what we called the elder
care industry in Georgia particularly

world GA and we were looking primarily
at the active adult and continuing care.

Senior housing products.

As economic development catalyst for
rural Georgia.

So there's a very interesting look and
it was about that time five years ago when

players like national
developers like Dell web.

Which is part of Pulte Homes and

others were really beginning to ramp
up and create communities in Georgia.

So there's a lot of buzz
in the air excitement.

About people moving to
Georgia from other states and

bringing their assets and depositing
those in the banks and spending money and

all the economic all the construction
benefits and everything.

OK so it was easy to get
caught up in the economics

of that model but as I began to interact.

In those communities and
see the communities and

go to industry association meetings.

I began to see.

And if you peel the onion back I began
to see there are some fundamental flaws

in these models that as we look
ahead to the market to come

particularly the baby boomers as the baby
boomers start to get to the age where they

would be interested in those seniors
housing products active adult retirement

communities independent living that we
were likely to have a complete remained

of what we had call the senior housing
industry including continuing care.

And as I also looked at it and
began to learn about.

Something that is intuitive
when you hear about it.

I had never thought about the two being.

Having a connection and that is what we
called the built environment whether it's

a continuing care retirement community or
the midtown Atlanta live work play area.

There's a relationship between
the built environment.

And health and

wellness think about it when I first heard
that I went you know I can see that.

OK if you can walk places from
where you live to work to.

Coffee to restaurants and
you can walk or ride a bike and

not take a car you know probably
some good health benefits from that.

So you overlay that with what I learned
about the senior housing industry.

And then what I began to learn about.

Urban is some traditional
neighborhood design.

And you have the ingredients
of a book course

that I put together that was a graduate
course here at Tech that we called

Sustainable multigenerational communities.

Now I want to stop there because I'm
really interested before going for

that I'm really interested
to know who's here.

So that I can come up tailor
some of my remarks to.

Two.

Areas that you're interested in and
involved in the rest of the time that

we have so let's start up here if you
don't mind and introduce yourself and

let me know the organization that you
represent and the other people here too.

I'm doing it with you on was simple say
OK company produces you know it really

helps people you know you mentioned
Also we usually focus on this is living.

He's yours.

OK Exxon and you're in the eighty
decent incubator here.

Excellent.

OK Jason Samer also it was OK to record.

Ellen.

Good to see you again.

I mean I think you know
what you know you have

to have Johnson remembers well yeah right.

OK And
really really you know here you're going

to Madrid think and

think you know who actually.

Signed the exit Good to see you go right.

Two of them.

Let's talk let's see where like.

Some associates of the organization
there's a number of US labor.

That's OK I'll get the long
legacy practices construction but

we also provide business solutions for
clients as well and

we're very interested in place.

OK Thank you.

Tricia Tyler.

OK here and now that

OK I'm OK

my real job getting up for work out

here at our lab in Iraq and
how we all get by

to change the way I feel services

are all right now.

You know on the project.

Also with function is there
accessibility of course

neuter this is really good
it's good to have you

all you have to go right ahead.

I really can't actually change my

ex not very interesting to hear yourself.

So we'll see how you can like you're

just like us special.

So you're right you're right you're

going to recess people's I'm here.

Why you're so use live our lives.

Well let's

say Yes What letter writer.

You know.

Thanks X. What was that the big
picture one I think we've

been doing with OK Excellent great
great him put how many of you.

This is your first time
being here at the about.

That's terrific lot of.

So about what Claudius it's
maybe three years ago.

Time flies.

But two or
three years ago maybe three years ago.

Claudia and John Sanford and
Brian Jones sat down to have

dialogue with some other faculty members I
think might have sort of hatched in the.

Of bringing creating a network of those
people interested in aging and Health and

Ageing in place and technologies and
everything together so up until

about December when I retired I was
more actively involved in the group and

I was really honored that
Claudie asked me to come and

speak today about
the class that I taught but

more specifically about the to refit
work that the students who were part of

the class what they learned and what they
then presented out to the community.

Now I had a presentation I was going to
show but it really is almost too much and

I decided not to show it but rather to
have a dialogue with you about it and

then maybe we could have more of more of
an interchange instead of just showing

a Power Point like I was planning to do so
we changed a little bit.

I've gotten to the point of
describing the name of the Course

sustainable multigenerational communities.

And there was actually a couple of
few other words that I added but we

abbreviate sustainable multi-generational
communities for Healthy Aging.

That's the big big title isn't it.

OK.

You could almost condense that down
too and since Carolyn is here.

I will say this.

The concept is very very
almost exactly consistent

with what the Atlanta Regional Commission
is calling life long communities.

OK there is virtually no
difference in the concept.

I think we would all agree on
fundamentally what those concepts are.

Let me go back a little bit.

Some of my childhood and

more adult experiences that
also helped to shape this.

My grandmother my father's mother and
her family.

They lived in the Grant Park
area of Atlanta.

Starting in probably in one nine hundred
twenty when my grandfather bought

the house until.

We'll about three years ago actually.

OK.

It literally was the only house my uncle
who passed away a couple of years ago.

The only house he'd ever lived in
he'd never had another bedroom.

He was in the same bedroom his entire
seventy six seventy seven years of life.

OK.

Grant Park for
those of you that have been there.

Is what by all measures we could
call a traditional neighborhood.

There was a street that had two lanes.

There was sod walks and unfortunately
they were the sort of the octagonal.

Paver you know couples don't you know
I had to take cobblestone but that but

they were those kind of stones they
weren't paved concrete or asphalt.

Every house.

My grandparents house
was a a craftsman style.

It had a front porch.

With rocking chairs and the front porch
was probably Ted I bet it wasn't any

farther than from me to that wall from the
sidewalk and every house was like that.

And up one way up.

Rosedale your street which
is right off the bill of our

one way up the street about three
blocks was the high school.

And about a block down this way was
a series of community amenities a church.

A little.

Dairy ice cream store that my
grandmother actually worked in years and

years ago a little grocery store
more of a convenience kind of

grocery store there were
a couple of restaurants and

Grant Park itself was literally and
the zoo only about three blocks away.

OK that neighborhood.

If you would described virtually
every one neighborhood.

Prior to the one nine hundred fifty S..

Anywhere in this country that described
the places where people lived.

My grandmother lived there until she broke
her hip at about age ninety five and

moved to Wesley Woods in care.

Next door to her was a lady Mrs Hale
who had fallen and broken her hip and

was essential a bed ridden but she stayed
in her home she had family members and

she had neighbors that came over to care
for her and she stayed in her home until

she passed away my uncle in
the later years of his life.

Had some health problems but
he was there in the home.

And when he needed things like someone
to help him put the drops in is ours for

different problems that he had or

this is the funniest thing he got
a fixation about his thermostat.

We never quite understood what
it was about his thermostat.

But everyone who came over
he'd call people come over say

Can you explain this thermostat to me.

He had that in that before he moved and
went to assisted living.

He had the thermostat
changed five times and

every time we would come
to visit he go come in.

I want my neck.

Can you explain to me what.

What does this mean here and

we put science up there do not change the
did not move this but it didn't matter.

But the community his neighbor behind
him his neighbors across the street

people of all races.

Helped him and he helped them.

That was community wasn't.

That really defined community.

My grandmother used to sit in her
rocking chair on the front porch and

watch the kids walk up and

down the street going to high school going
to still weren't so now how many places

that we know of that we live in
now does that represent community.

If you don't find that you
don't find that many places.

I've started delivering meals on wheels.

One day a week with senior services
of Greater Atlanta I think

is what it's called.

So I go pick up my meals off Northside
Drive and I seventy five on Tuesdays.

I did yesterday.

And I have a route that
goes through Buckhead and

down through down Cheshire Bridge and
back to midtown.

OK the places that I deliver meals to

there are variety of types
of places where people live.

There's a single family home.

There's a sort of a multifamily mid
rise in an apartment community.

Some are nicer.

Some are rather depressing looking
almost universally though.

I walk up.

I see no one.

And typically in a corridor with
doors that open off the corridor.

All the doors are closed.

There's a little styrofoam container
out front that if the person doesn't

answer you put the mail in there.

Not not not.

Maybe someone comes to the door.

Maybe they don't.

The ones that come to the door.

Are there by themselves.

So what are they.

They are isolated they're
behind a closed door.

They're in a corridor.

Now my snapshot of them might not
might not really be a random sampling

of what their day is like.

And you would be right to assume that.

But then again it might be.

It might be.

Contrast that to my grandmother
who sat on the front porch

this far from people of
all ages walking by.

And people who waved and said hello
to her and she to them and so forth.

Quite different isn't it.

OK.

My in-laws live in
Dunwoody they live in a.

Typical not traditional They
live in a typical suburban.

Urban neighborhood.

With cul de sacs and
streets and you know and.

Ranch style and split level style homes.

They're seventy six years old.

They've lived there for forty five years.

They're in a informally and

naturally occurring retirement
community we could argue.

Their house.

You drive up the drive
to a short driveway but

up significant enough hill from
their street in their mailbox.

That a seventy six or

seventy seven year old with any
degree of physical limitation.

Could really not even safely walk down or
back to their mailbox.

You drive in the driveway into the garage.

You go up three or

four brick steps to get into the door
to get to the kitchen or if you

walk around the front door the same number
of brick steps to get into the front door.

There are three levels to the home
their bedrooms are upstairs.

And it is at those of you
that do a aging in place

would say that it's
a it's a it's a person.

With any degree of physical limitation.

They are prisoners in their home and

my father in law recently had some health
problems thank goodness he's doing well.

Health problems which you know really
prevented him from being able to get

around very well and so it's but that is

typical of the built environment that
we've created they can't walk anywhere.

There are no sidewalks.

Even if there were there
they are a mile or

two at least from anything
that they could walk to.

So.
Contrast that to the Grant Park

neighborhood where my father and
my grandmother lived

to the places that I deliver food
lunches on Tuesdays for meals and will.

To wear mine in.

Loss live.

And you can see that we have created
a built environment that is not conducive

Typically most often not
conducive to aging in place.

Aging in community or the ability of
people to stay in their community.

Access amenities.

And live their life out they
instead we we pluck them out.

As Unfortunately we did with my uncle.

And sent him to assisted living where he
died less than a year later he fell and

broke his hip getting on to the bus.

That the place.

The sister living own provided for
them to go different places and

he fell going up the steps and Brooke is
hip broke his leg and he passed away.

OK.

So that is probably not an uncommon.

Despite all the caring and and well
intentioned it's not uncommon for people.

I think psychologically and physically

to have problems being plucked out like my
uncle the only bedroom he'd ever known for

seventy seven years to go
into an assisted living.

But because we have someone this but
involved in the in the financial side.

Unfortunately my uncle didn't
share with his niece and

nephew his only close relatives.

What his financial situation
was he was very independent.

And how do you think that a seventy seven
year old living on Social Security.

Can survive in a nine hundred twenty S.

era home in Grant Park he
couldn't pay the gas bill.

And yet we had banks that were loaning
him money taking out partial mortgages

on his home and extending credit cards and
all unknown to his clothes.

Relatives who wasn't really our position
to ask him about that and then.

I guess we should we certainly should
have but it was an uncomfortable.

OK So you take all that
perspective personal perspective

research perspective industry perspective
and then you roll it all together and go.

What Or what do we do.

How can we create something
different something better.

Which was the catalyst for
the course that I taught.

I had students from Typically the College
of Architecture broadly defined

building construction.

Architecture city and
regional planning but

in addition I had some civil
engineers thrown in there too.

Some some semesters like the last semester
out of three civil engineering grads.

Undergraduate Student.

So we took on projects
as a part of the class

out in the community the last two
semesters we looked at one of the villages

in Peace Tree City called Playland
village and this last fall we looked at.

The city of Dunwoody in what's
called Dunwoody village and

what the students did
the students tried to.

They learned about different built
environment examples we had them two or

seniors housing.

We had them two or other communities that
like Atlantic Station in the city of

Decatur we had guest lecturers that
came in and talked about aging in place.

We visited the Aware Home for
one of our sessions and

we learned about technologies that
help facilitate aging in place.

Health care delivery.

And the students assimilate all that and
applied that to a project where

in the last two places that we looked
Boylan village in Peachtree City

and Dunwoody village in the city
of Dunwoody where they applied.

Allotment strategy to an older
retail shopping center.

And said to the cities.

Here's what you can do.

Here's what's possible in
creating a multigenerational

community mixed use with
green space town center.

And that you accommodate aging in
community what's the difference between

aging in place aging in community.

I mean those are people
that are involved in that.

Yes.

OK so.

Aging in place at some times.

Most often are associate it with in the
home that you're in an aging in place but

place can be defined as community
a more broadly can it so

you hear the term aging in community.

Well we use the the thinking
of aging in community

in terms of providing
a right of housing options

within the proposed built environment
where someone might live in

literally a single family home for
part of their lives.

But they might decide then that
they could use something smaller.

Or maybe it becomes a two bedroom or three
bedroom condo and then maybe it becomes

a one bedroom accessory dwelling
that attached to a single family.

So the whole concept of providing for and
the students learn about providing for

a range of housing options
helps to accommodate.

Aging in community and

it also helps to accommodate
affordability because typically smaller

units size equates to lower rental or
ownership cost of them.

And so in both cases.

Again we we presented back to those cities
examples of how they could retrofit

a blighted in many cases in both cases
blighted retail shopping areas and

how many of you have seen blighted
retail around the metro Atlanta area

is that blighted old retail
are blighted new retail.

Both that's exactly the answer
that I want to hear

in some cases it's retail
that has never been occupied.

There is someone on faculty here at
Tech Ellen Dunham Jones and College of

Architecture I've heard her talk about
the mix of retail in our country.

Think about this.

That in this country.

We average about twenty square feet.

If it's not a little more twenty square
feet of retail in aggregate per capita

in this country.

In Europe and it's and
in some parts of Europe.

It's three square feet
of retail per capita.

And let's think back to what if we just
been through in the last ten years or

so what if we seen
everywhere we've looked.

An explosion a big box retail place
after place after place in suburbia.

We've seen an overbuilding
over retail we have seen.

Now those plenty of those places shutting
their doors who would have ever thought.

I mean if you read the book.

Good to Great by Jim Collins.

Dugong if Circuit City was
one of the ten good to great

companies profile or Circuit City.

Now you see the vestiges
of Circuit City don't we.

Everywhere we look.

So there is no lack of an opportunity for
us collectively.

To look at blighted retail like we saw
in Peachtree City in violent village.

And war in Dunwoody village blighted.

Tale that can be really
developed into something

that might look like at one level
the city of Decatur downtown Decatur.

Might look like at one level it Landtag
station might look like it one level.

Victory Center and be.

Or peace treaty place which is
a continuing care community that's being

developed in the Peachtree battle area and

yet none of those examples
that I've just cited for you.

None of those examples quite
get to where we could be

with our built environment even though.

Karen I would almost argue that
Decatur public comes the closest OK.

And the question is for
us to think about and that is.

The degree of independence that we
are able to afford through design and

through technology the degree of
independence that we can facilitate for

people as they get older and

either don't have a car can't afford
a car or we don't want them driving.

Think back to a study that
the vents in institute did for

a R C Carolyn what two or three years
ago where they polled people Atlanta and

said you know as you get older.

How do you plan to to get around.

And a high percentage of people said well.

Someone's going to drop me.

Someone else.

And we all look at each other and go.

No I don't think so.

How do you what.

How do you figure that.

Yeah it was interesting because my
uncle that lived in Grant Park.

He was going through cancer treatments
out near to cap medical and

that's where his doctors were.

He kept wanting us to drive to leave work
and drive him out there to his appointment

when now I know why he wanted that it
wasn't that it was transportation.

It really was the social and family.

Engagement wasn't.

But I kept saying Buy a book.

We can't leave work but out.

I'll have a cab come get you and
take you know I don't want to go.

Now I don't want to go.

So.

How can we create a built environment and
this is the question posed in the student.

How can we create a built
environment that allows people.

Places to Live options for
places to live options for affordability.

That they can walk.

Parks.

To Starbucks to places to
get nutritious foods meals.

That allow them an area where
they can engage socially

like my grandmother sitting on the screen
porch watching people walk by.

There is no one that I
deliver meals to and

I delivered to eight people every Tuesday
just not one person I deliver mail is to

they can sit in their unit in
see anything but a T.V. set.

They can't see a thing but a T.V. set.

So the question it posed back to all
of us that were posed the students.

Let's create a place that
we haven't created before.

There are some good models but they still
fall short in this Syria or this area.

But let's create place let's create even
seniors' housing not that there's anything

wrong with seniors housing act
of the dull continuing care.

But let's create that in a place that
still facilitates independence for

the people either via
transit whether it's Marta.

Or other transit or walking.

I'm not sure there.

There will be some eighty year
olds that will ride a bike.

Maybe rot a Segway.

Can you see it.

I could see it.

But let's provide some options for
independence

which typically involves transportation
but it's also walkability.

And.
Let's facilitate the delivery or

the awareness of health care
trends using technology.

Embedded in the home.

And with service providers
who are in fact in the retail

commercial mix of the town center that
were created that are at street level.

Now what could some of those be they could
be aging in place services home health or

no Scott Martin is not here but Scott
with Buy store as a home health provider.

There are all kinds of really
interesting and I think.

Up and coming retail commercial
services professional services

that are all health and
wellness related sustainability related

that we could attract to
the retail the new retail it.

That might not only might not need but

five hundred to a thousand square feet
to be viable in a in a live work center.

I saw yesterday watching the Today
show the Olympics they were profiling.

Products that are Canadian
made that are sustainable that

are recycled water bottles and all kinds
of things that are made into handbags and

shoes and clothing and all kinds
of interesting thing that retail.

Retail vendors are setting up
shop to allow Canadian designers.

Canadian manufacturing companies
to provide those kinds of products

and services.

In Dunwoody The students also looked
at what's called urban agriculture and

the really interesting opportunity to
create a garden in this particular

area of Dunwoody Dunwoody village at
the intersection of Chamblee Dunwoody and

Mount Vernon.

OK if you've been there.

At that intersection is a white.

Two story farm house.

It's called the school or
the school farm so that.

That is literally the icon of the city of
Dunwoody I mean anything you see about

Dunwoody they've got a picture or an
artist's rendering of the school farmhouse

right there in the image of it is the icon
of the city that's the heart of Dunwoody.

You go to the school house now and
look and within the immediate area.

You know a few feet around it it.

It's nice.

But then right behind it is
a big ugly bank big ugly C.V.S.

pharmacy you know why did they do that
the students asked the same question.

And they learned about the history and
literally Mr Spruill.

He and his family owned virtually
everything from what is now.

Ashford Dunwoody into eighty five through
Dunwoody Can you imagine being the land

owners and selling that land or
Mr Spruill literally.

He and
his wife who lived in that farmhouse.

My in-laws even remember
this happening because

some of those were dirt roads when
they moved there forty five years ago.

He literally would take his mule and plow.

Because he had a garden in
the back he would plow.

And as a part of apparently
Mr Spruill was very frugal.

Even though he'd sold a lot
of land had a lot of money.

He was very frugal with his pennies.

He literally would plow out into Mount
Vernon they'd have to stop the traffic so

the mule could turn around because he
wanted he wanted the road to go as far as

it could go because he wanted to plant he
want to maximize his yield on his land OK

so he grew corn and tomatoes and he sold
them across the street at the little.

It was a gas station gas station.

You saw them on Saturdays and
there's some interesting sort.

So the students said well let's help
recreate at a certain scale the a.

To demonstrate what he was doing and
what he was growing.

And create other uses for
what is now tacky asphalt and

create an urban garden and they
literally found that you can by adding

different types of soul and things like
that on top of asphalt you can create

an urban garden and they said let's
take the old Post Office that's there.

That's really.

If you look at it now
Carol I don't know who.

Architecture has changed a lot but
we look at some buildings that

we thought were really interesting back
in the one nine hundred sixty S. maybe.

And we go.

Why did they ever do that.

Isn't this.

It's awful.

The post office is a tacky
building in the city of asphalt.

That there's no one parking and
because the post office is rarely used so

they said well let's
recreate the building.

And let's create an indoor urban
garden along with a restaurant

where you can come in as a customer to the
restaurant you can literally walk out and

pick out the things that you want
them to cook for you for your meal.

Now they're doing this in
other places around the world.

Let's use alternative means of
energy creation solar and wind.

So the students really thought very
broadly about the term sustainability.

Primarily the sustainability that we
were trying to spirals was social

sustainability of community and
how people interact

like the people who came to help my
uncle put the drops in his eyes or.

Changes thermostat or whatever it
might have been OK that's the kind of

environment we were trying to recreate and
in many cases you do that.

By building the built
environment in the right way.

That you facilitate social.

Connection between people.

But other than isolating people
behind closed doors on corridors

that I see when I deliver mails.

I'm going to stop there and

let you ask me questions and
it's five to ten and you have until.

And I will stay as long as
you want to stay but what.

How do you react what thoughts
what expect OK yes I'm well one of

the things that I'm most frequently hear
from people who move into our building.

They've reluctantly given up here and
they live into an apartment and

then they say after a little while
not everyone but most of the day.

I wish that I have not held on to
my home for so having my privacy

even to have to go out where there is and

people really do look out for each other
and and because of where we're located.

We were close to suburban
Atlanta Hannah and I ride.

Unfortunately this is going and
this is happening.

I mean you know we're we're Christian
towers is it's it's in Decatur Street.

It's wide across the central
from the cap medical center

there were there was there is
still a a retail center line.

I know there's a Moses.

There's a most rest and right there.

OK OK this is a big one.

And so and so there.

There is a degree you could
argue there's a degree.

Maybe maybe more or
less now than there was in the past but

we haven't gotten up walkability between
this senior housing community and

other amenities so you know due
to the degree of independence.

It has been there maybe some now more
than later or earlier or less but OK.

But it's a great example.

Yes yes.

Very very very very

very good record that I shall look at

the example I'd like to get
we want you for the shocker.

Let's start right there.

We were building the pew we just recently
got like OK run from a building.

You know because well we
have someone who is Yes

Yes Rick I

find it interesting because I grew up
into what he and that's actually the new

post office you talk about like that's
very unusual saying look I don't really.

It was a karate studio for
a long time I actually am.

But before that in MacOS there
you know Bill Williams was

the you know was our commissioner
in that area for a long time and

you know and the point of my comment
is that one of the things you

know Mr Williams did was he kept that
whole area from developing slapshot

like developers do put up metal
building here put up with what here.

You know it's going to
have the company look like

Arby's Dunkin Donuts whatever
it may be and for those of you.

The don't know that's the way I'm sparked
look and and done what it right so

what's the one who are who organized the
community as it started growing because

the rules did do that the mules were
there you had a barn back in the road

was only two lanes now it's all paved
with Kirby and everything but back then.

It was just a you know a gravel paved road
that what that is is they spray tar and

then they don't flap gravel on top and
then they roll it and

and that was the paving and so

you know it was a different environment I
mean you kind of look felt like well yeah.

Technically I own all of the street and
he did do that.

So the so as I look at this
thing from an evolutionary

standpoint you know you don't
have all that next level.

Even at the time people were
spread out and you know they would

use different transportation to get to
what we used to call it downtown don't.

It still is and and

then realistically people would
go to St Springs for one thing.

So there was a commute and so
you know I look at this thing I see.

Geez how do you still get that kind
of walking traffic because Dunwoody

technically never did have that it was
a more of a farming environment and

it really never did have
that walking traffic and

now that all this development is there you
know what you're kind of talking about is

how do you redevelop it and then who's So
my question is who is going to be the hub.

How do you organize the hub for
the development because if you build

some affordable housing for the sake
of only seniors to be in parts of it.

Well you know young people may want
to buy those units too if it's

a good affordable housing and
then the very people that you build it for

don't get to live in the one
of the things I've seen that

has been very successful in
the past years is building.

Plus retirement places for

people on university campuses and
if you think about it.

They've gotten troll the environment
they can use the libraries they see

young people going around they get on
the trolleys or the or the school.

Losses in there he was around
the securities there and

I started thinking about it.

I think in turn it's a great idea
because it's owned by the state.

Typically they can control is
one of the ways that they make

money on this of course is that I think
part of what they're signing over is their

assets to contribute to the school
as part of living there but

it's like of an annuity there
that they have the place and

there's a University Hospital and
all these things.

And I thought that is an amazing.

Collection of abilities and
I started thinking boy in Atlanta.

If we close some of the roads
around Georgia State and

redevelop it to where so
downtown they have us today.

Having people driving
through without you know.

You know with no business being there or
whatever you know you could you could

really change that property
to do something like that and

and that's something that State Local
get involved with you can have

the president of the university you know
overseeing the architecture and making

sure that he gets the right input because
I know the schools can build downtown

the are we got the best downtown area in
the entire city of Atlanta right here.

You know it was designed by George
attacking you know the students love of

these places to eat.

You know hotel I mean we
got everything right here.

Yeah I think this is a this is a and

again at a certain scales a very good
example of mixed use walkability

transportation we transit hospitalisation

transit oriented I mean the type trolley
run through and you've got Marta close by.

So you know it's a great
concept several several

thoughts OK in reaction
we've seen some really

interesting things done a lot of
housing authority people with a laugh.

Some really interesting things that have
been done and I think Atlanta may be

one of the leaders in Atlanta Housing
Authority the leaders in creating or

recreating a community from former

Atlanta Housing Authority property
a community that is multigenerational.

Variety of housing types and

affordability which includes market
right here not to go very far.

Some Tenniel homes.

Centennial place what's it called.

So there's some great examples that.

You could see and

they are around the country you
can see where the market right.

Subsidize.

Rental own are all mixed
together including a senior

a senior component mixed in the middle
of the community that in some

cases where there is mixed use there
are retail access to retail and

I think of college town of West and
as one of the end of a group.

Across from the A you Center.

Maybe not as many things to walk
to a minute to wise yet but

it takes a critical mass
of people in order to

justify some of the commercial and
retail so don't worry is a great example.

I think I think they are so
the big question becomes.

If you think about the baby boomers you
think about the generations who have lived

in up to this point again the oldest
baby boomers who say we're going to get

that from the oldest baby boomer
turned sixty four on January

first of this year the oldest baby but.

What arguably.

People that age are really.

The first age group that would have in
the past considered to be an active

adult community which are typically fifty
eight qualified to fifty five and older.

But most people didn't
move in at fifty five.

They moved in early sixty's.

OK.

The question becomes whether any of
the seniors housing products that were.

Had up until now.

That the other generations have said
Yeah we'll move to there it's good for

us to go for
our family you know we'll do it.

We'll be compliant in some cases where
the baby boomers are going to say this

is what the market should the baby boomers
are going to likely we're not going.

Nope not going to go.

You'll never find me in an active adult
community you never find me an independent

living assisted living.

So you know you're not family there.

Now maybe that partially part of the sky.

But you could also say well there may
be something to that because what

I'll tell you even the other generations.

The more compliant generation.

I give you some examples and

a continuing care retirement community and
the typical model of continuing care.

Independent living assisted
living skilled nursing dementia.

Maybe four levels.

You've had people in recent years
the last five years people that have been

in the independent living that have
agreed ahead of time when my needs get

to a certain point I'll move to assisted
living and the operator of the facility.

You really need to move to
a system they're going.

I'm not going.

I mean not leaving my independent
you know you cannot force me

to move to assisted living.

And I'll take you to court if you do and
they have and

they've actually paid more to have home
help brought into their independent unit.

Wait a minute now.

If I'm in the business of developing.

Properties for seniors.

So you know what we call it and

I'm thinking OK now what's going to
happen when the baby boomers get there.

They're really going to
be hard headed about.

OK.

Which means which means.

And when we say independent living.

My in-laws are living
an independent living aren't they.

And then Woody and there.

When I mean they're split level home.

That's a.

Dependent living isn't OK there's
a place for you in that place longer.

And.

You radically.

I don't know it was a person.

That is in place longer.

And that ultimately is really.

Is the story as it certainly does for

them and their families the the more
that they can stay in the home and

if they need to have services
brought in the more it's

the less expensive it typically would
be than moving to a separate facility.

And for that part of the population where
there's a significant affordability issue.

OK.

It is much less expensive for the public
sector to provide in home care for

people who need care than to move
them to a nursing home much less

expensive on all of us because it comes
out of all of our tax dollars somewhere.

OK.

There was one of the point I
was going to get to you but.

You think about I think about what's
happening out at Park Springs.

I LOVE Park Springs.

It's a great community anyone who got the
first place I ever visited with your thing

you go in there and you go.

Well you first of all you would even know
that it's a it's a retirement community.

But if you read in the paper about
a month ago what's happened is

the super target that was about
a mile from Park Springs is closing.

And the residents of park
springs are in a crisis now

that's the place that they used to walk or
take their golf carts or

those that could drive would drive and
it's close.

And so they're going to be an island.

With no independence and accessibility
other than getting in their car or

waiting on park spring shuttle
to take them somewhere and

that's not really the kind of
independence that we are talking about.

So what the six month family has done.

Isaacs and living who developed that and

they're doing P three hills
place out here in bucket.

What they've done with this
new continuing care community.

They've designed assisted
living out of the mix

there is no separate assisted living.

We're going to be done.

They're designing the independent living
design and technologies and program

magically to allow people to have assisted
living and their independent unit.

And only those people that need skilled
nursing which is a fairly small percentage

that will have they will have
a skilled nursing option but

they're going to be able to
stay in their independent unit.

So what sort of clues are we picking up
here that tell us about how we can design.

The built environment as
we move to day forward.

What is what does that tell us.

It tells us a lot.

Yes.

Well.

You know.

Yeah.

I mean there are people
that you are no longer.

You know you know you know what you

know right now here's
what we found here for

the students found when they we
worked on the project pastry.

Sitting in Berlin village.

There were three really really
interesting components that drew me

as their instructor to
select that is the site.

I provided shopping center.

Not unlike than what you village even but
even worse than done.

What a village.

A brand new mid rise independent
living facility across the street and

a collection of residential neighborhoods
some of the housing stock was

thirty years old and it's beginning to
look so good in the city doesn't really

like the way the neighborhoods
are aging and the houses are aging.

But they're all isolated cul de
sac no connectivity to broil in

village other then you get your car and
drive you can drive you may live right

behind violent movie have to get in
car and drive you can't walk there.

Let me tell you about
that independent living.

And this is not an uncommon.

So situation but what I say this is for

those of you that are involved
at the community level certainly

Atlanta Regional Commission as we
think about where we put things and

what they look like seniors housing
schemes some things amount.

This isn't a myth.

They call it an amenity
independent living.

It's kind of great pool and
one of those little pits.

We know where they put the fire and
everything in.

And it's got a workout room and

you know of a lounge downstairs where
they can come down for happy hour.

There were like one
hundred fifty units and

at the time it's a rental
rental community.

I believe it was sixty two and
older now was fifty five and

older age age qualified.

Guess what the monthly rent was for
the units but

thirty five hundred dollars a month.

And when you walk in.

It was so
funny because we went on our tour

of Peachtree City on Saturday
the Wednesday night where we had planned.

Yes our speaker was a lady who has
an expertise in universal designs

people that know about and can appreciate
step entries and accessibility and

leverage handles and light switches in
every everything about allowing people

of all ages to be able to function in the
home with their children or older people.

And we went to visit this
independent living facility and

the students walk around and they went.

Professor what they did it was

the epitome of the opposite of what
you would have expected to find.

Now at the time we were there last spring.

There were only seven of the hundred
fifty units that have even been

leased in the only two
people that I saw living

there were two gentlemen that look
like they were in their eighty's

they were both riding their scooters out
in the parking lot walking their dog.

And I thought you you as
an operator have done these

people a disservice by building
that kind of facility and.

Disconnected from.

As it was as disconnected and isolated
as it was without even the design and

or programatic Lee being able
to support those people.

So those gentleman that where they
are in their scooters would not

live there long will they.

They're short timers living in
that independent living so.

Think about where we put places
that are seniors housing.

The connectivity and
little ability for those people to

have independence walking around to get
to things that they need without a car.

And then what it looks like design
was are we incorporating design and

and even technologies that help
to facilitate the aging in place.

Over through OK well.

Yes.

You know it was really interesting
because one of the students in the class.

We had there were eight students
three civil engineer undergrads one

city planning grad student maybe
one architecture undergrad and

some building construction.

But one of the city planning student
actually had already had a master's in

city planning and was getting
a master's in urban design and so

he was really talented in using G.I.S.
and all the mapping and what

we did was if you look around Dunwoody of
villages that part Dunwoody village that

the opportunities to redevelop
retrofit and create connectivity.

But putting in.

Wouldn't have to be
streets to begin with but

you have all these cul de
sac neighborhoods where

the cul de sac backs up to the connection
to Dunwoody village essentially.

So you could lay out a street grid or

a a transportation grid alcoholic
Carolyn for lack of a better term

that might initially allow people in
those neighborhoods to use a golf cart.

Bicycle.

Or walk.

Right now.

And so it what it what it allows
the students created within the Dunwoody

village proper area that we looked at
which is about twenty eight acres.

They created a street grid which allowed
for mixed use and mid-level density

consistent with the overlay district
that they the city has already approved.

But where the street grid connected
outward to connect with other

neighborhoods that allow people
to get to the village and

we also have the students also said
well we're going to put City Hall there.

And we're going to put sort of a open air.

Area where people can gather and
where the Fourth of July parade can

Combinator whatever you know all
the different events that they have but.

Create the ability for
people to either use electric vehicle

golf carts bikes walking down
the road maybe even autos.

To get it or
to get to the village from their.

Typical suburban neighborhood.

OK.

OK there's I mean for
a quick yes OK another question for come.

Yes.

My way.

You know.

Now here is that I

think if you read the literature and
I'm not stating what

my opinion is I'm just stating the
literature that I've read the literature

would say that cul de sac streets are in
fact more dangerous than the grid

system streets that they had in Grant Park
that they still have a Grant Park.

OK the street design itself.

Are most unknowingly
facilitates the speed at which

cars travel on the streets and so they
would those people that are involved in.

Urban ism and street design and
safe streets would say that street design

even in an urban area can be much safer.

In terms of kids playing but
also the way the buildings and

the homes the proximity that they
are to the street and to the sidewalk.

They call it on the street.

That in fact I would argue that my
grandmother sitting on her porch.

And her neighbor sitting on her
porch with eyes on the street

watching their neighbors' homes.

That's a safer neighborhood than
a cul de sac on a two thirds acre lot

where the houses set back and
nobody sees even their neighbor.

That's the argument.

OK.

Now there is a place for the suburban
environment we know that there

are typically have been good schools and
for people in that stage of their life.

Younger couples with children they might
find that that's a great environment.

OK There's nothing wrong with that.

We're just simply saying that.

There's an opportunity to
create more options for

people that we suspect
the fifty plus market.

And even the Gen The general was and
who are the General Myers.

We have some Gen was probably in this room
that the people that are just getting

out of college they finished and
now they're just starting their career or

maybe they've moved back with mom and
dad and.

So the fifty plus market in
the general was tend to have

things in common about their housing needs
and one to two person households and

a happy house do you need for
one or two people.

I think part of the reason why
Decatur is this is that if you really.

You know really create a real race.

It almost you know for me I don't it's
almost a chicken or the egg situation.

The school system I think is a function
of the people who live in the community

because the parents who live
in the community demand

a certain level of educational excellence.

The schools themselves are not if you had
no community would the school be good and

that's you know so

it's I think it's a dynamic you
know the system goes both ways.

Doesn't it.
OK that's a great example.

Yes.

Yeah.
How much rain.

It's not really.

But you know.

It.

You know it's of it is
a very diverse market.

There's a even within the baby boomers.

The Baby Boom generation of people
born in four forty six to sixty four.

Now wife is on the younger
end of the baby been.

One born in forty six but
I was born a few years later.

So I'm more on the other end of baby.

Well that the even that
market is very diverse so

we're not saying don't provide options but
the question becomes.

You know you've heard you may have
heard the term drive to you qualify.

People tend to set up their where they
live based on where they can go and

find a house that they can afford
based on how they qualified for

their mortgage which is income and
credit and everything.

Well the interesting thing that's
happening now is that more and

more mortgages.

Are they for help are beginning to factor
in transportation cost where you work.

Here's where you live.

Here's where you work OK that's that many
miles that means there's a transportation

factor in your qualification for
your mortgage.

So even though your income supports
this you're going to take too high

a percentage of your income when you
include housing and transportation.

So you don't qualify.

Carolyn when we're OK I'm sorry.

What are we.

I'm going to let you know when.

That you give Yeah I know that goes a lot.

My whole life and then you know
what the phrase goes the way but

the stuff that was raised here
you might say I have a lot.

Yeah I've got are all right.

I've had three are far away at all.

However I have my lucky

break you go underground below
the street you know five or six.

Wow.

They don't have nearly the last
service that my facility

right now to me are a few more records.

Yeah I think that's a very good point.

Coming up for that house out there.

We're going to make that look fireable

the other part of this is I think it's
likely that services transportation

and to show how good we will be
that land use transportation.

We'll never be able to transfer patients
you know reaches its abilities.

You are away from your friends or
your services.

It's a huge issue.

I think it's just you know how many By

the way because we have
a radio service and

maybe Urban's regulator that get cut like
the Tech Volumes of the open circular.

OK I'll wrap up with Will some not
be glad to stay as long as you like

songs of reasonable because I have.

I have a writer opportunity
at lunch today.

My youngest son who turned thirty.

But earlier this month.

Actually I can't believe my
young from thirty thirty.

He lives in gainfully works that
aren't and young you know commutes.

But he texted me the other day said Dad
can we have lunch on Wednesday and.

Yes I'll drop everything you know
because I don't get to see him and

those of you that have children once they
get grown you kind of know you don't

see them as often as you like but
I will say this that the classes that I

taught the students we always brought
in someone from I.R.C. C.D.C..

Expectorate talk about health trends.

And I would just say this that
the connection between health and

the built environment is so important.

It's not only a physical but it's a I
think a program addict to attempt.

If you look at obesity trends and
we have heard a lot about this recently.

Haven't we.

But many of us have known this for
several years.

It is alarming.

It is astonishing.

The percentage of the population
that is that has white problem.

We even have T.V. shows.

Now that Pino The Biggest Loser
which is I mean it's incredible.

But we have an obesity problem in adults
we have an obesity problem in children.

The question is what
are we doing to design

the places where people live
that get them out of their car.

And getting them out of their car and
walking or biking to places helps what

they eat nutritious food within
the built environment helps.

Lack or
reduction of air pollution helps a solid

study recently on our list serve
came from from California.

Karen of the same goes but.

They've they've.

Over time they've measured
the health impacts of people who

are living within one hundred
meters of freeways in Los Angeles.

So alarming.

Increase in cardiovascular.

Decrease in cardiovascular health but
with proximity to pollution.

So we have a multifaceted
challenge that I would argue gets

fundamentally back to health and wellness
and the social aspects of community.

So how do we do a better job.

In a multifaceted way of dealing with
those two two fundamental issues

challenges that are going to
occupy a huge percentage of our

tax allocations one way or
the other if we don't begin to really

seriously address and I've enjoyed being
with you this morning I get up around.

Thank you.