During the C.H.B. Seminar Series this year you will be taken to the cutting edge of science every week except this week so this week I'm going to continue to continue my annual tradition of giving a non-technical seminar and talking about some of the things that we can all do to help make the research work that we do better before I get into what this title is all about though I want to make a couple of announcements and so I'd like to welcome a couple of new arrivals professor you hung who is right here in the middle so welcome to you thank. You Hong is an assistant professor who has already had some faculty experience at the University of Illinois is joining us she has a joint appointment between chemical engineering and chemical engineering so we're very glad to have you here also with us here today is John blaze like this John over there thanks. John will be joining us as an assistant professor in the spring and you can see in this photo he's not smiling that's because he's not at Georgia Tech yet so so in the spring he'll be here most have a different crowd of him smiling I want to highlight a couple of successes in the school over the past few months or so the department of energy and energy front here Research Center that's headed by Professor Walton and with the president of myself as deputy directors has been funded for a second phase so we've received another eleven billion dollars from D.O.A. this is the result of many many people in this room actually contributing work to the center and so that's a great success and in a similar vein Professor Hong Lewis the co-director of a new southeast center for mathematics and biology and this is about eleven billion dollars that's coming from the N.S.F. and the Science Foundation Now one thing that's in common with all the people you see on this slide is that their success has come from many many years of sustained work and really that's going to be the topic of the talk today is how do we organize our personal time. I'm in our effort so that we can do the things that we know will lead to long term achievement so that's going to be the topic for the software but first I'm going to do something I've always wanted to do this in a seminar So OK you've been to a concert or something like that everyone pulls out their cell phone and waves in the air so I want you to help me here you phone man you can do it you've all got your friends here I know it that's it wave it around. It looks so cool all right but now all I want you to keep your phone in your hand. And I want you to turn it off. Not set it to mute not set it to buzz but actually turn it off so you know you can do that right not going to hurt you. And one of the things I want you to think about is actually what it takes to really truly concentrate on something for a few minutes now if you have a close relative who's on an operating table right now you could leave your phone on but otherwise you don't going to need it for the next few minutes all right so the talk today is based on this book by a guy called Cal Newport His book is called Deep work Cal is an associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University he's written extensively about work productivity but he's also a very very effective academic research are and so he offers this definition of deep work that will be sort of the starting point for us today he says deep work is professional activities done in a distraction free state that push cognitive capabilities to their limit and I'm going to argue that we all know what this is like OK so when you are truly concentrating on something it's actually in the enjoyable thing to do and so you can identify when you're doing this and I think you would also agree with me that the more you can achieve this state the more you can actually get done in your work life so that's what we're talking about today I want to mention that I'm going to tell you some anecdotes that come from said. All of the books atomic adventures is a book written by a Georgia Tech along and I'll tell you about that in a minute the drug Qantas's a fascinating book about the world of drug discovery and then daily rituals it's a book that just accumulate sent from ation about how famous artists and some scientists just how they organize their day and find they all mention a paper from this journal Biological bulletin which sounds like a hideously boring thing to read but actually have strongly recommend that you read this paper very very into tightening and will get to part of that later in the tool or right so let's talk about the title I've already told you what deep work is and I think you can all identify what that is we can also talk about shallow work so Cal Newport defines this as undemanding logistical style tasks often perform ball distracted I'm not going to argue that this is an important so this is things like completing your annual ethics training changing the oil in your vacuum pump calibrating an instrument in your lab there are many many things that you have to do in your professional life and you have to do them in a timely way but they don't involve deep work OK and so they're just things that we have to get done so in a sense we can get on to the real work of what we're trying to do now the thing that I'm going to add to Cal Newport's taxonomy here is inside your refrigerator This is a pretty old fashioned word not all of you might know this word but you can probably guess what it means it means this. OK So frittering is stuff it's the empty calories of time management OK it's not necessarily bad for you but it's not good for you either way it just kind of fills up your time and one of the challenges in life today and one of the reasons I urge you to turn off your phone is that we have surrounded by these things and they are really set up in a way to keep our attention and draw our attention more and more and so we'll talk about ways to avoid this side. Refrigerate so we can get more of the work done or right so let's talk about some of the characteristics of deep work one of the characteristics of deep work is simply that it takes a long sustained effort to achieve something that's really significant and to illustrate this I'm going to take you back to an episode in georgia tech history that illustrates the opposite of this all right so on Thursday March the twenty third nine hundred eighty nine I'm going to ask you to pay close attention to the dates because they actually matter here these two gentlemen Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons had a press conference in Utah and they announced that they had discovered how to achieve fusion at room temperature in a tabletop device this was worldwide news this took what people thought was impossible in terms of thermonuclear fusion and said you can actually just do it on this desktop right here people didn't look before and so the promises energy to cheap to meter this was going to revolution revolutionize the world by coincidence the next day. The Exxon company managed to run aground a gigantic oil tanker in Alaska this at the time was the largest oil spill that occurred in the world and so you can imagine that this just tremendous interest in finding clean sources of energy and there's no way to say it other than that a gold rush started in the scientific community to reproduce the work that Pons and Fleishman had been doing. The next Wednesday March the twenty ninth Bill Mahaffey here I submitted a proposal asking internally to provide him for twenty five thousand dollars Now this is going to make all of my faculty colleagues said he submitted his proposal in the morning it was funded in the afternoon. Doesn't always work like that OK So they've got their money they start procuring they've got to get a polite am electro the. To get a letter chemical sell they've got to get neutron detectors they get all this stuff together it takes them about a week to do that finally on Saturday April eighth so this is now about two weeks after Pons and Fleishman is announcement they start their experiment to run by the way Pons and Fleishman haven't published anything this surf on the G.T. our i team they've entirely based their experiment on what they know they store on the television news OK they sort of took still images and that's what they use so they start to run their experiment on Saturday and this people all over the world trying to do this the thing that's really cool about this experiment is it works it actually shows that they're generating heat they're generating neutrons that means they have fusion All right so what do they do Georgia Tech gets everyone together they call a news conference on Monday morning they have a news conference I talked to John toon who's still here Georgia Tech he said they had people fly in from everywhere for this news conference and they announce that they have called fusion it's national news coverage so here is this is just from the front page of the Atlanta paper there's no question it's fusion said Dr live say I still don't believe it even though I see it it happened so soon we thought it was an equipment malfunction said Dr have yet you'll see the Hill he's regret those words. But to give you a sense of you know what grip the scientific world about the next day there was another article in the paper and I'm going to read a quote from that which says you can invest a graduate student James Langton Broner helped build three cold fusion cells within eight days of the Flashman announcement and missed his girlfriend's birthday party in the process we were busy he explained he's reluctant to return to his pre-code fusion work in nuclear physics quote You don't know what a drag it is to use that Excel or it you can work for days without getting any usable data at all. Probably he's also regrets having that newspaper I suspect. Now unfortunately this story doesn't have a happy ending you know that we don't have cold fusion producing energy today that's because it's not a real scientific effect and it turns out that. There was a mistake in the Georgia Tech experiments what they didn't know was as the neutron detected heated up which was what the cell was doing it would give a signal as though it was detected neutrons in fact there were no neutrons Georgia Tech took the very bold step of calling another news conference so they had another news conference on Thursday and then hear stories from The Atlanta Constitution and the New York Times the next day so they had to admit that in fact they hadn't seen fusion and the next Tuesday there's a yet another story in the newspaper about this. There's lots of lessons that we can draw from this one lesson is be very careful how you talk to the press about your research and actually one outcome of this is to this day Georgia Tech is incredibly reticent to hold an actual news conference about research they we will run the issue press releases but not to a news conference but the real point I want to get across here is in a sense just the timeline here should tell us what we already sensed was true that it's really difficult to believe you could make a major earth shattering scientific discovery just based on a few days' worth of work OK So doing something that really makes a difference in the research community takes a significant amount of time. Well I've already indicated then that doing deep work is hard because it takes a lot of time why should we even try and do it now I hope Actually I don't have to convince you of this but I'll just mention a couple of quotes from you port's book he points out that the pork is becoming increasingly rare but increasingly valuable those who make it the core of their working life will thrive at cultures shift towards the shallow is exposing a man. Assif opportunity for the few who prioritized it this is actually worth thinking about quite carefully many of you are just stopping your Ph D. and you have a chance to really sort of a stablish patterns of work that you probably followed for many many years and what he's pointing out here is that if you are willing to organize your time and organize your life so that you truly work in a deep way that will give you an enormous advantage over the great majority of people who are simply not willing to do that. Or write another characteristic of deep work is that it's valuable So here's a picture of Marie Curie just sitting outside my office is a reproduction of this amazing photograph from nine hundred eleven I know the labels are too small to read but you can come and visit my office and see them below the picture as well this was a conference that got together everybody who was anybody in physics in about nineteen eleven so you can look at this picture there's Einstein there that is you know you can go down the list many of these names that you know one of the things that strikes me of course this was an era when gentleman had what I would call heroic facial hair right and so in particular right in the middle of the picture there that's Knutson who we now know in terms of nudes and floor he has a particularly impressive Mistah thing so what you see though is this is one woman in the room and that's Marie Curie and by the way she can't be bothered to be part of this conference photograph she's busy having a technical discussion with poincaré the great mathematician sitting next to her Marie Curie is a wonderful example of someone who reached the rewards I would say of sustained deep work I would actually also argue that even though she was thought of as a chemist and a physicist I'll show you she was actually a chemical engineer so the thing that she did that brought her great fame was she realized that there must be some highly right. No active element hidden away in the OR that also contains your brain and so she use crystallization this is the chemical engineering pot where she started with a ton of this or and working in a tiny unheated shed she managed to crystallize that until she purified point one grams of radium chloride this was the first time that radium had ever been produced Now again this was a time when of course the man who were in charge of things didn't weren't really very impressed by women doing science and so it took many many years before she was recognized for her work her department where she worked finally in June of ninety three decided that she should be given her Ph D. It turns out that whoever was the department head made a pretty good choice because later that year she won the Nobel Prize. You know just in time was good enough and you know many of you are just starting your Ph D. So you want to aim high I think and now it turns out she didn't stop there she want another Nobel Prize eight years ago this one by herself she's one of very very few people who won two different Nobel Prizes this is an example again I want to emphasize the value of deep work this wasn't just grunt work in the lab she had conceived in a theoretical way that there had to be an element out there and so her conception of the science was what drove her to do these things. I'm also going to argue that deep work is rare but if you look around our society most people don't want to do it and the people who are willing to do it really can make a big mom and so the example I'm going to give here is two gentlemen who were assistant professor at Yale Medical School in the one nine hundred thirty so I just introduced to assistant professor is two years and they're starting their careers they need to think about all the things they need to do to get tenure Well one of the things that happened to these two individuals as they were assigned to teach the pharmacology course and at that time pharmacology was really not a well defined field they had the experience that's extraordinary. Greenly common as a university professor which is they looked at the books that were available and they didn't like any of the books they decided well the solution is we should write a book. Looking at the system presses do not do this OK but they decided to write a book and they wrote a field defining book so by one nine hundred forty one they'd written their textbook it was over a million words long that's longer than the King James Bible by the way but this book completely redefined the field of pharmacology it turned this field from an anecdotally driven area into something that's now based on evidence and this book is still the standard reference in pharmacology So it's now in the twelfth edition the gentleman have long since passed away so this other Orson's who is now involved now you might imagine that they spent so much time writing this book that they probably didn't get too much else done you would be wrong so around the same time working together they developed the first chemotherapy agent so they were the first people to cure a cancer using chemotherapy that alone is really an amazing achievement I just want to tell you one footnote about these guys who a number of years later Goodman had moved to the University of Utah and he got interested in developing new anaesthetics there's always a need for good anesthetics and he knew that there is a compound called rary which South American tribes put on their blood dots and it's a paralyzing poison so he decided this might make a good anesthetic he convinced his department head to let him inject his department head with Kerry. Don't ask Corey I'm not going to do it for you OK so the department has instructions were you will probably your muscles will be paralyzed then we will prick you with pins and you should communicate by blinking whether. It hurts OK So sure enough the guy becomes paralyzed they start poking him with pins and he blinks like crazy It hurts right so he's paralyzed but it's not an anaesthetic so the experiment is a bust Unfortunately a few minutes later the problem had stopped breathing OK so that's not good so that fortunately the professor was also a doctor and so he artificially ventilated the guy till finally it wore off and everyone was happy so you know this it was a different era of drug discovery back then. Or I but this is so the example is that deep work is valuable deep work is rare I'm also going to argue that it's a fundamentally meaningful thing to do that if you get engaged in doing deep work you don't do it for other people you do it for yourself because it's a fundamentally satisfying thing to do many of you will know what this image is if you open up any biologically oriented journal you'll see a photo or an image like this that uses green fluorescent protein in order to label various things so this was actually discovered by this gentleman Asama Schumann Moore who has an interesting life he was actually living in nag a soccer when the atomic bomb was dropped in egg Saki at the end of the Second World War And so as a young boy he had fallout rained down on his head he then grew up in a very poor surroundings because post World War two Japan really had very few resources he also when they came to United States and became scientists. He was engaged when he first came in trying to understand a jellyfish that expresses a protein that fluoresce OK So that sounds like an interesting thing to do it turns out this is pretty hard work and it's all described in this paper I mentioned at the bottom notice that the paper is written many many years before he got the Nobel Prize long before he was really recognized for this work and as I said it's a very actually entertaining paper and highly recommend you take a look at so in one nine hundred sixty he started collecting jellyfish and he. That first summer he collected ten thousand jellyfish and each jellyfish she had to catch in the ocean then he had to dissect it in a very very particular way to get the sample of what he needed so you can tell that he really needed some strong motivation to do this. Over the next twenty years he continued to do this after a few years he realized that he could probably soul the structure of the molecule but he needed a fraction of a gram of the chroma for that meant he had a needed two and a half tons of jellyfish and so he spent the next couple of years in the summers fishing jelly fish out of the ocean dissecting them he developed a machine that would dissect them all kinds of things to increase the throughput but he spent a lot of time up to his elbows in jellyfish. That continued as I said over the next twenty years now this guy maybe needed a chemical engineer to work with him because he improved the yield to the point where fifty thousand jellyfish gave him half a gram right to it still not very much the point that I want to make here though is that ultimately he won the Nobel Prize and I'm sure that was a wonderful thing for him but that was many many years decades after he did the work that fundamentally he was doing this work because he was interested in solving a scientific problem and he had habits of work that allowed him to do I won't go through all the details but again disk in his paper he describes many of the situations that he went through in the innovations that were made in order to do the work that he could do. Or it was so far I've talked about what didn't work is and I've OG you that it's rare it's valuable and it's meaningful now hopefully I didn't really need to convince you of all that stuff but I think it is worth recognizing that this is not just something that's nice to have in your life this can be a life changing thing for you that if you really are able to do this can be a very very deeply satisfying thing to do while now what we need to talk about is how do we actually get there how do we change from the way that I use my time today use your time so that we can do more of this deep work stuff. So the first idea that Newport describes in his book is a very simple one and that is that you need to train yourself to do this it does not happen by accident and I've got a photograph here of Jessica Dickinson kicking Randall these were the first U.S. athletes to win medals in cross-country skiing in the Winter Olympics and they like all elite athletes you can imagine they don't just train part of the time they train day in day out and their training doesn't just consist of the exercise they do but they pay attention to that diet in this sleep it's an entire lifestyle and part of the idea here is that to be really effective in the long term in terms of doing deep work it has to be a lifestyle you have to really have a way where you start to organize your life around it and the goal is in order to get there. Now it's true that many things in our society mitigate against us doing that including the tendency for all of us to want to multitask and so I actually have a couple of help us here going to help illustrate this so I want to welcome a couple of members of the wheel high school marching band come on out guys so they're going to. Present a different. Thing. Actually. I rather applause for any amount. Thank you very much gentlemen. You can return your ears to the usual setting now. The point that I was trying to make here is that if you believe you can multitask and do deep work you are mistaken OK so doing deep work is something that really involves trying to find some concentrated space now a misconception often when people think about this kind of work is that's what I should be doing all the time and I want to show you that that is not true let me remind you of that definition this is something that pushes your cognitive capabilities to the limit that straight away implies that you can't do this all the time if you can do this for a few hours a day that's really a wonderful thing to do. We all have these shallow work tasks that I talked about before that are still important in our life we still have to get them done and make them happen so I'm going to argue that doing one hundred percent the work is not the goal my example for this is H.L. Mencken So this is a guy who lived around the turn of the last century he was one of the most prominent authors and social critics at that time he worked twelve to fourteen hours every day now I know some of my colleagues are thinking here that he would be a perfect graduate student going to be in the lab all the time now one of the things about H.L. Mencken is he's he's a really quotable guy so he said for instance for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear simple and wrong. He also said a man may be a fool and not know it but not if he is married. But he has my old colleagues here nodding knowingly is OK so how did Mencken organize his time as I said every single day twelve to fourteen hours of work it turns out that in the morning he basically spent his time reading some stuff and answering his mail so I feel like that's what I do and so my email he was basically doing that he wrote over one hundred thousand letters in his life to. TIME So you pretty serious about answering his mail he spent the afternoon doing editorial things he was a journalist and so he had to make sure that things were working only in the evening did he work in a concentrated way and write and this is one example of someone who's organize their day he presumably found that he could most effectively work in the evening but he deliberately set up the schedule of his life so that he could focus on the thing that he really wanted to get done. Now I'm going to make this claim that if you can train yourself to work deeply for three to four hours a day you could get an amazing amount of stuff done and I'm hoping that all of you are at work for more than three to four hours a day but there are all these other topics that we have to get done if you can train yourself so that you can set aside the distractions set aside your phone close down your e-mail do all those things and truly focus for three to four hours a day that would be really an amazing amount of productivity that you could develop. So this is an example of this the idea that in order to do deep work it's really important to develop either ritual or a strategy a ritual might be something as simple as you make yourself a strong cup of coffee when you start that period of work a schedule that sort of self and explanatory but I want to show some data that I've actually shown before in one of these talks but I find very persuasive so this was a study done a number of years ago about professors trying to write so all of us who are professors feel guilty that we don't get enough writing done and so they took a bunch of professors and they were randomly assigned into three categories one category was told Don't write anything not allowed to write anything unless it's truly an emergency not sure what that means. One group was told to be spontaneous This is what we all think we could do just right when you feel there were thing you've got some wonderful idea to write it down the law was told to. Make a schedule just sit down and write these fifty times whether you think you have anything to say no. And so the people during the study then measured how much people wrote it's not surprising that the people who scheduled their time wrote more OK So this is in pages per day and the schedule group writes enormously more than the other two groups now you might look at this and you think well sure that's fine but they're not writing anything that's good they were just writing something they asked the participants in the study itself assess how many creative ideas they had to what's being shown here is the interval between creative ideas and what a bunch of notices the group that scheduled their time they came up with way more creative ideas so this is actually a very very simple idea that you shouldn't wait for motivation to strike you you should just decide I am going to sit down and work in a concentrated way from nine to eleven in the morning or whatever then you have to decide something that works for you but this will make a tremendous difference. I want to give you a personal example of doing this from a relatively busy guy I travel quite a lot to give you a hint of how much I travel I got on the fly last week down at the airport and as I was getting on the lady who was welcoming people in the plane said I think I recognize you welcome back that's really a sign that maybe I'm travelling too much so a couple of years ago I decided you know I'm going to try and use my time sitting on a plane in a different way I'm not going to try and catch up on the manuscripts from my group sorry guys I'm not going to check my email read a book or watch a movie instead I'm going to try and write something and after eighteen months I finished a novel now I am not going to claim that this is the great American novel OK It's just that it's just a novel that a thousand words long I will say that I've had a couple of people who are not related to me tell me they liked it so that was good. But my poor. It is that if someone came to you tonight and said Do you think you could finish a novel between now and a year from now most of you would think that's crazy I can't possibly do that actually you could if you allocated your time in a particular way I got into the habit that as soon as I sat down on the plane I would open up my laptop and I would stop working on this novel and to be honest I found it made the travel much more enjoyable than when I was trying to amuse myself before on the plane the next piece of advice that. Newport has in his book is that we need to embrace border I want you to imagine for a moment that it's lunch time you've headed over to the student center and you're waiting in line to audio lunch you're there by yourself what do you do. Pretty sure for many of you we do this right. I know I would I'm going to pull out my phone and there will be something that I can look at this is really become incredibly common Now if you see people waiting for stuff you know no one's going to talk to the people around you you want to do that so instead you can look at your phone and I want to go back and talk about Shemar Moore so in his article he describes that every day they had to do all this work you know slopping up the jelly fish and cutting them up into a kind of stuff but they a key insight that came to him about how to imagine this whole process that he was working on occurred because each day he would take a rowboat out and he would just kind of let it drift around in the water and he would sit in the rowboat. And he said there was I had no goal I was just out this thing in the road but he wasn't doing anything in his mind was percolating over the problems that he had and in fact he had an insight that then ultimately led him to many many years later when the Nobel Prize now I want you to think about how this would work for each of us so we'd get the regrowth that would be good and then you'd think well you know I've got to take a photograph the workload right so you pull out your phone to take a photograph of a robot and then sure enough you realize there are all these other things that you can look at on your phone you know you can send an image to your mother you can do all these things all these things are fine. But they have trained us to not be bored and so Newport's advice which I really think is powerful is that we need to actively have times in our life when we're sort of not doing anything and we just let our minds rotate over problems that we're working on if we are always giving ourselves external stimuli it's going to cut down on the creativity that you can have as I said at the top that your time. It is a zero sum game. Once you've spent an hour before the five minutes sitting here listening to me you do not get that time back so I'm sorry for that but that's the way it works with every hour the implication here is that when we have all these things that are potential tools that we can use that we really should be careful about which ones we decide to use so Newport actually argues you should get off social media completely just go to zero there are other people who have argued that a maybe that's not necessary. But let's think about how you choose let's say which of these electronic tools to use now a typical way that I would maybe choose as I would say I'm going to look at Instagram by the way I'm not sure I even understand how Instagram works so this is a hypothetical example but I would think is this some benefit to my life that I could identify if I used Instagram and the answer is shore right I'm sure I could be delivered and an ending series of pictures of budgerigars or something that would make me happy right that's the wrong question to ask a better question to ask is is the time I'm using with that tool is that actually getting me somewhere that I want to go in the long term and so I'm going to illustrate a tool that Newport recommends which I think is very very effective when you're trying to evaluate this question so let's imagine that I use Instagram or Twitter regularly he argues you should do the following You should just stop for one month you don't tell anyone I'm going to do it if you just decide I'm going to uninstall this thing from my phone I'm going to stop for a month and then just wait and see what happens by the way one of our colleagues here Dr Walton who couldn't be here this afternoon did exactly this so it turned out a couple of years ago she got in the habit of you. Twitter. There I guess good reasons to be on Twitter but you know she found it that it really took up a lot of her time and so earlier this year she decided to try the exactly that she just stopped using Twitter for a month and then after a month you ask yourself the following two questions. Would the last thirty days have been substantially better not just a little bit better but substantially better if I was using the tool and did people who are truly important to me care that I wasn't using the tool of course this someone out there who misses you but are they people that are genuinely important to you now Newport suggests that if you answer both of those questions with no you have just made a useful decision you should never go back to using that tool it's just sucking up your time and not using things in a useful way. I know from Dr Walton when she spent a month not using Twitter that's exactly the surgeon she came to she said she's actually considerably happy and now for not doing it I've done a similar thing with some other electronic based things that I used to use regularly. Even if one of the answers is just weakly Yes I would argue she says she should still think about not doing OK remember that these kinds of things are designed very very carefully to capture and hold your attention they are not designed with your best interests in mind they are just designed to glue your eyeballs to a device. All right so what we've talked about today is this idea of deep work I think ensured of Lee We all know what it is but I want to emphasize again that if you can organize your time to do deep work it's actually a extremely satisfying thing to do and it can really enhanced not just your professional success but your joy and satisfaction in the work that you do. I've argued that there are several strategies you should think about in order to enhance your ability to be to do deep work first of all you should actually think about how to train yourself to do it it's not going to happen by accident it doesn't happen just by doing it alone you do have to think in a sort of holistic way about all the different ways that you spend time. You need to set deep work schedules and rituals if you just wait for it to happen it is not going to happen and so you really have to find ways that you can organize your time blocked all those other things out from around you and spend time doing these things you need to learn to embrace boredom do the experiment by the way all of you manage to turn off your phone for about forty minutes so that's a good start right you probably really bored at the moment but this is a good thing to do next time you're standing in line for food try not looking at your phone see what happens and finally I argue that you should make conscious choices about the resources and the way that you spend your life I said at the beginning that there is the pork the shallow work and this frippery the thing that you need to try and strip away is for every It's not bad as I said it's sort of the empty calories of time and so instead of just letting those things fill in your time really make conscious choices about how you spend your time the things that you enjoy doing and spend your time doing those things so I hope this is useful to you this brings to the end of my talk thanks for your attention not be happy to entertain any questions you might have thanks. Everyone's either dying to get back to the lab or dying to check out what's on the phone I'm not quite sure which really. Yes like it's a very common in case you didn't hear it was the idea of scheduling time I showed it for writing I would argue it's for all aspects of deep work and so it's for it's for thinking it's for reading really the idea is to set aside that time to really focus on what you're trying to do very good comment thanks. Yes. I. Hear. He's. Here. All. Right. All her. Yeah a great great question about how do you deal with I mean just all the constraints that are placed on you I mean I'll give you a personal example Laurie who was here before has control of my calendar and is that's her job to put stuff on my calendar things show up all the time I've blocked out times when she knows not to do that because that's my time to do this kind of work you have to sort of take proactive steps to do it it might involve going and working in a different environment go and sit in a coffee shop or work at home come in early stay late but just think about it in a proactive way because you're exactly right there's always things around you either xtal or actually internal that will seek to distract us from what we're doing. That's you. Know. It's a very good no I think it definitely can be collaborative work. There certainly are instances where and I think another way to rephrase your question is. When we collaborate with others how do we achieve that state of deep work over time and again I would say it takes a long long time because you need to be sort of achievement to what people are thinking now that's a great idea. That you have a question just you're just hoping at this seminar last year. One of my illustrations involved a cold beer and I was asked by several of my colleagues if I sit in the front to get a beer. Sorry not this time. O.. But they're all going to have to go through an I.R.B. So you know as long as we do that then yeah but new anaesthetics are definitely off. Yes. Why so I think what I meant to say is the pressures on all of us this so many things that sort of not just towards doing shallow work that doesn't mean that there is less value in doing deep work so actually you know to really accomplish things you have to spend time doing deep work but you're right that often companies and work environments and things like that a sort of set up almost oppositional to it so it's a challenging thing. All right well thank you again dear attention have a great afternoon.