Yeah.

R R R R O O O

O O.

Thank you thank you.

Leslie I we did actually start with
a project because we were running late and

we had to boot.

So we lost about five minutes so I will
leave the acknowledgements in the end and

only fifty percent Dave and
I think you'll like it.

Otherwise we won't hear back.

No it's anyone.

OK The presentation is called

the architectural topology of visual
computing action and Digital of negation.

And I guess the I have the wake
up the way I'm planning to give

this talk is to discuss for
a recent project so

they have done here at here
at their last four years.

And some grounding in this field.

And then discuss the projects
about ten minutes each one and

hopefully So the demonstration as well.

Of the software.

The sentinel flyby of the stock
the days of the icon that X.

ghost Y.
which means if you see an X. do Y..

That's a basic human logic.

That means that if you if you were any.

Rufe there can be understood as a sequence
of steps if you're this done X.

and this then Y. and you have a situation
where the next happens then you apply that

old genitive design nowadays in
in in Iran best composition.

It can be there stood as a sequence of
steps in a sequence of those are going to

be applied it occurs to me one after the
other what they really want to as before

but cast discussion today is to show how
the how the sort of the mother spawns or

the X. ghost Y. has been in can
be implemented in logic and

mathematics but mostly How does
done in in design and and then so

how these two things can be bridged to one
to the other the formal discourse now for

any sort of rules like that.

What I mean whenever we actually
discuss rules in design.

It's basically geometry.

I mean that's the first thing that
we do in designing when you go can I

start it's always or it's all space and
under geometry of course there are many

different kinds of geometry the Euclidian
are finally near continuous So

the word apology here do with it.

Apology and competence every think I
could actually of the policy and that

sense is really the domain of architecture
that studies applications of the policy.

Now.

The the I guess what is
really the interesting

part in our discussion here and
what we do in Texas schools is that.

That the things that we do.

They're always involve shapes and
figures in front of us and

those figures they constantly accuse and
they don't behave exactly the way we.

One So once you do things with with
computers they don't exactly behave this

way you my dear or something with a pencil
in my do something with a computer but

what you always see isn't exactly
what you get once you're working with

a computer and
that's the thing the but it's so

that if you want to make in
the sort of presentation.

The vision of computers and

the way you actually start describing
here that I think two major.

Parts that are significant but

amount we want to study Garson and we
know that it's a process where objects or

in that specific case are defined in terms
of objects or safes of the same type.

We the embedding its a letter c but
allows one save to fuse and

make new saves these two things
they have two different examples so

one coming from symbolic computers and the
other coming from visual conversation and

they will show the difference
between the two.

We know it a caution a very well for them.

Sequence in mathematics.

When you have a sequence like
one two four eight sixteen.

We're going to nominate it like I
just did or going to give it all

every time you see something multiplied
by two for example you see here.

One of the most important things I always
find it extremely sort of enlightening is

that the rules can be had
two different kinds of that.

You can hear it going to be
one of two different types.

You can have an explicit rule for
example here.

When you want to give a sequence like
that to seek the hundred fifty for

one hundred two.

And let's say you want to find
the seventh member invent sequence and

you find a formula mathematicians do that
and you plug in the number seven and

then you sort of you calculate and you
have the result in the end as opposed to

the cost of doing that all was noted to
define something you need to be fine.

The previous one.

You find the previous one.

The previous one.

The previous one to be this
one only way to do to compute.

So in that sense in the explicit form read
of course only one formula the recursive

formula to solve that required seven steps
if you want to find the fiftieth member

you would need to produce fifty
computer basins so that sort of thing.

It's might be redundant in mathematics but

what is actually important in
visual design is that there.

We operate like that whenever we design
we never do anything we see that in front

of us and because we see what we see
we react and you're applying to it and

that is I think where we
all generative systems out.

There.

It should be regardless
of if they said to be or

if they have to be of some use in design.

So you see here for example how the Carson
works in the genitive system there

basically was let's say a triangle goes
to a triangle where the lateral because

the lateral goes to a good lateral the
triangle to bend the gun in a triangle.

So you can apply it works like
that in a say let's say I'm going

to if you applied once you
this is a quad lateral so

you apply this rule you produce
a triangle like this and to bend the one

you keep on applying them directly to the
Pentagon and you make things like that.

Now I don't know how you feel about it but
I feel that these aren't like that but

they're Now typically this in terms of
what I know and I sort of you know but

I met their designs of all sorts.

They're also the few down under
that aura of mysticism and

complexity behind the script but I think
that all of it is entirely visual and

the designers do stuff
like that these not.

The in-between stages another sort of for
the thing it's quite often sort of

confuses the matter rather than
Makes it is manifest as possible.

So these are things like that.

You see this is a very costly design that
does not need to be symmetrical of sorts.

So that's not the confusion that often
happens the embedding now which is

the other part of the of
the computations that we do.

The embedding in mathematics
something quite precise.

I think goes to another thing.

It is a part of it in history measure
it and we're going to talk about it.

In other in later on if you want to so
examples from mathematics and

symmetry is one but there are many but
I think it's the sign.

It is by far more interesting and

complex a notion of of often bedding
because sips constantly fuse

we do know that once you draw a line
into draw in another line next to it.

We don't have any more two lines but

we have many other beast of this
sort of come up again that's another

interesting story of his to do
with design theory and what we.

It's to students.

I think is the is this not enough of
what they're V.L. amounts in the primary

elements in the design quite often
when you want to discuss a new concept

emergence we really talk about dimensions
using biological sort of models.

You know simply complexity arising out
of simplicity and stuff like that.

I think you know I could
picture in the visual design.

We have a different kind of complexity if
you allow me which is really a complexity

that is' out of fusing elements and
not really out of combinatorial process of

simply to too many this is again
another sort of topic we can always

discuss these are critical elements and
some of you might agree some disagree but

these are part of the fundamentals
of this presentation.

What do you mean what do
you mean by embedding and

the very caution has nothing to do with
symmetry and that we embedding His nothing

to do with with emergence as
combinatorial sort of processes.

So then.

OK.
I mean you some of you know me really well

some others don't know the world here but.

So.

Most of you have seem to want to
do as I have done in studio and

research by using pensions or doing sort
of stuff with visual space and material.

How do we go about applying
that with computers

that's really the topic of this
discussion today and I was so you're for

software packages that have developed
that they do these as a prologue

to that we take this thing out.

They're calling them but it was because I
want to give it a name in the meaning if

we see that some of us
will see do squares.

But some others we see
many different things.

Now the point is how do you teach
the computer to be able to do it.

Configure what you want to do in
the process of the computer takes on

the the what could he have done here.

It lies primarily it's based on
Graph Theory mathematics and

contemporary sort of for
advances in graphs which basically is.

Again the substitution of Edison points
in terms of nodes and edges of body of

sorts but there are different
kinds of mappings that you can do.

This is only to show
you here that we don't.

This would be the intellectual worth to
explain what these are present days and

might mean and how they can be a plague or

be the purpose of the slide here is just
so that we have to try different things.

This is for John for

example here obviously Steadman sort
of presentation of the two squares.

But all of the other ones that we
have this sort of coming out out of

more contemporary sort of understanding
of embedding or nodes and

edges on hyper graphs hyper exists and
composite completely grabs.

Anyhow.
The point is is that we have the quest

here is to find a presentation
that can be applied

to computer that can allow
the database to decipher constantly.

If we have a database which means you
would describe that as eight lines you

would never be able to see other things
that might emerge there in the point is

how do you actually encoding the computer
to facilitate compute a sums of that sort.

The projects are for
here that I have in mind.

And because the dean told me that
he's going to leave it in thirty

will go directly to the second project
the first one is more can be an authority.

I mean it anyhow I have to sit com
stand said Saxon how design is we

always have to play out with
what we have in our hands.

So therefore software so I want to so good
I would leave the thieves for the end.

But I would start with the great
people in their variations in the sort

my scene which is of course houses
that some of you might already know.

I'll go quickly to the next project.

The grape which he's using graphic

to implement Sibylla much
using computers to implement.

Visual compute a sense.

Yeah well you got the scene
very well here and

I'm not sure why you don't see
the video and sorry about that.

Yeah.

Give me a second.

I opened it on five.

Which can be deadly mental here.

OK.

That's a quick five.

OK.

All right.

Here we are.

So the grape affectionately called out of
the concatenation of two words guff and

sape geography Sable that it means it's
in the blog in our developing rhino.

But helps do the incredible or

the impossible computations of
some of you have seen done but

only be made certain lines and others over
the history of the over the last twenty

years in this engaging three think of for
the digital media and computer patient.

This is here.

I mean I tried to put some slides that
would I would expect an audience here

this will moderate here
that's from the the incident

the inscription off a square
within a square within a square.

That's a technique and the description
here that shows how do you go about it.

We tell here.

William Mitchell.

In his paper to traverse or do you took
the example here from Roadies are to so

how the the the making coffee
square within a square

within a square if you can be there stand.

If you can be understood compose
recently can lead out to different

designs let's say this one here we all
play with a square within a square.

But then of course if you didn't
have any card program and

you had done the capability and
all that all of it

you would have would be basically squares
within squares would be nothing else.

If you got nice anything else for example.

Here the time the triangles.

If the database behind it was a square
you would never be able to do it that

it requires.

Artificial Intelligence Service
speak what it was human

to understand what you're
actually looking at.

So the question here.

Do we say can we actually implement that
so they can do computations like that.

This is another page
here from George Stein

of the infamous computation with the Stars
to so that how constantly the parts

relate infused the can do to do
things that we find very nice didn't

design here the next one
is also a very recent one.

What we should use and how the simplest
possible connections of squares and

rectangles can produce
the most while complexity.

Here is only two so the.

The kind of.

Seamless.

Computer actually had once you do things.

If you're doing studio for

example if you have to do is to say
whenever you see a square just movie

diagonally if you have an else a movie
diagonally if you start to think like this

you go to that part here and you move
a day I'm going down to create a cross.

Once we have a thing like this
you have open eyes a square and

then you can take the square and
can move it up once you do it like that.

You got a nice and that L. Saipan the hope
you can follow what I'm saying and

you can move it diagonally down.

If you now you are there you go
to nice again that save you.

Put it on two and
you move that square here.

If you're here to go and I said Square and
to move the square down there is a bit

I got a good example to show that this
is an impossible thing with computers.

If you have tried it.

It's really impossible it is very possible
if you do with a pencil by every time

drawing in drafting drawing drafting
drawing drafting I think this sort of

I always find fascinating these lessons
because in the heart of design inquiry

because that's how you get the sign to
students you say if this is the case if X.

then Y..

If X. in the Y. and

look at what you have in front of you and
see whether you can apply the rule or not.

And then let.

I think so.

And once they play with
theirs they suddenly lose so

many other opportunities that they
would be would be everything to get

if they would actually let their eyes
tell them what they're looking at.

So this is the this is in the face
of what I know that we have it and

I'm going to so a small demonstration.

In that.

Hopefully will work and
I want to be like Bill Gates here.

So great.

So by by bringing in the team
here you can you can start.

You can start with any
part of the design or

you can bring any any say
let's say that to the square.

OK so you do have different
routes to deduce you cannot

you can keep on up like you
can put in putting them in and

you can put a sort of inscribed
into the system in image in its

future version this would all be buttons
and all be part of it's in competition.

So right now.

For example if I do the simplest
thing to save move Square.

It say that yes you can move this
credit is the part is ridiculous.

Now because they have only on square.

It tells me that they are they
can apply that old four times

because of the symmetry.

If I can go next.

You can see that they can apply they
do like that if I apply know the road.

It moves it do what they ask you to do.

Let's say they wanted to do to
do the example embedded Square.

It says now there's only one match because
of the applying a square within a square

there's only one way of
doing it in many ways.

So here's the cleverness of applying
all the similar stuff in so

it was a project before.

So if I apply now this is getting to mean.

Now this is a typical case
of what you are what I was

describing earlier is the squares
are the Stranglers are these lines.

What is this thing.

Let's say that it is squares and
I want to copy a square

in that sense here tells me that
eight squares and I can go around.

And I go right now.

I applied it and I made like a design.

I took that and I copy that there.

But let's say I want to do other
know to find diagrams here.

Now by asking it to make
the language call database inside it

It configures the points in
the event this connect into

different new ways to
produce the lines they want.

If I would ask you to do.

Let's say something else.

I mean a civil let me demonstrate that.

If not says that it's a to me
there are five time groups and

that's also a classic Where
way in visual computing.

How many trying to sort of there you know
do what you want to do you can keep on

going next to find a different route to
Greece and here is the fifth one that

emerged out of the combination of
the I mean that's you want to diverge.

If you know you apply the road.

It picks up that part
into play the relation.

Now some or some of you if you're if
you're aware of a discourse behind it you

would you would be absolutely happy having
that if you're not aware of any discussion

say what whether or no.

You know.

So it requires it requires the research

see if there stood as a as an octave
dialogue with things out there and

it's not like I come here under sort
of develop everything from scratch.

Not my invention but points out there and
to connect to them and to address them so.

It is the interest of time because there
were eleven thirteen here many things I

want to show you it's to take.

I guess a taste of all of those.

Proceeding on.

I mean here is what every of those
I have put some reference or

one uploaded you can trace the paper.

These are the original sort of
papers they use and that's the one.

This is the work of the just so you could
see really on making now in the last

month is really the final version of it.

Another one where the one thing is
to compute trying to squares and

else a patient based.

Everything can get good care of
sent everything that's what they're

working now.

Because still you can compute
it behind some points if that's

OK it's not the problem but

how about more complex a description
is that they require social conventions

functional conventions structural sort
of considerations and stuff like that.

I think that the come closer
to our domain to architecture

the would be elderly assist and I think
one of the most powerful example so

far is again by the usual
suspects suspects.

Joris ninety and
the rest back in the seventy's.

They produced I said grammar for

the four Palladio I'm going to
show you a few slides only two so

exactly how are two addresses that here
is something lines that are generated

with our software you know that
the three of them three of them here.

I can give you the answer
there by Palladio this one

is money generated by the by
the system we have put into place.

So what are what are the components
here of what are the sort of for

actors of a story.

Certainly Palladio idea has been used
in many different ways by several

scholars to different extents and what we
have here is I'm just showing you three or

he's been last from his book and
you see I mean you can trace getting

the similarities and
if it is central hall sometimes as in it.

The sape as you see here some
other types is in the cross ape

as in I say here you can see that.

Ended other rules about blood and

feel it's weird lines the sort
of the windows all connect and

the doors connect and all that I mean this
is it is it really composition in specific

language is nothing to do the lessons what
I mean there's a hearing because nothing

to do with Pallavi of course it is it
has to do with understanding a design.

It passively and calm and
compositional you.

And computationally.

I don't think it would be a big.

Confusion to understand.

All of that stuff in terms of
the classical table as opposed to

any other flavor out of there.

It's syllable.

It's incomplete.

So here we have as he put it in his book.

Here we have what I would call for
thought if I Love You

which is the simple thing at the speed we
do you know we just take lines out and

to make a skeleton and
we try to see similarities.

You know that the foreground
the similarity.

If you those of you of course you know
you all know calling drawing the rest

of the took this this part of these
other extents for other purposes.

Here is what Billy Mitchell and
George ninety did back in the seventy's

to the left out of your original Venus and
you're going to go guys.

And basically by the fetus or
in the body where the ground zero

as opposed to the US vs want to be
listened to mimic of us a paladin and

the rest below Hollywood down there.

Of course drawn politically by by
their students back then according and

EISENBERG Now architects in
Los Angeles polemical in this style so

that not only the composition but also of
the visual appearance would be the same as

a student when I came across that
stuff I found them infuriating.

Because you know here you don't have
a suggested and meets them and there

were rules for constructing thought and
grades and I thought it was an anathema.

I mean there were no grades back then and

of course they were saying that there is
no grades back then but only kids here.

They had another purpose in mind
is to understand compositional

procedure that can explain things
I saw you earlier this sequences

in the end did a cost of
up Legation of sequences.

That's one of the classics of the axioms
and sequences that different rules can

generate the same sequence and
it is OK in mathematics.

You can say I want to four
eight sixteen thirty two and

you can generate that with
different formulas and

some formulas visually are better
than others but these are the same.

So in a similar way have
rules here that they do all.

Stuff and they were they had
about what eight stages.

And only two.

If Les remembered a time of you

really like been though I didn't like
the ethos of the Graham I like the.

What how they were going about
it is that these are all visual

If you see three cells.

You can put in a them.

If you see an axis of center in three
secs you can you can cut anything like

If you see a not because of symmetry and
a pair of cells.

In bilateral condition to the axis.

You can cut unaided.

If you see for M.P. to Access to do
a cell like that you can cut and

they're going to do so and so forth.

And this is how an auction works.

So go back again to the to
the logic theorem with a so

you get the action with a so you area.

If you have a think like that.

Which is airy graded by three by five.

If you see this but I met there of
course if you see now and he has the X..

Themselves like let's say all of
this can satisfy this condition.

You can concatenate the thirty
two concatenate zones and

make these large holes
here rooms in the front.

Once you have a think this you again you
look at it to see if I can apply it to X.

ghost why there is another
rule here a simple.

If in fact they have three cells and
one going through the center.

I can concatenate it like so.

And here it is like one two three and
their combined.

And if I have now this it will
only think if I have this I don't

like that can create and apply them here
to concatenate basically without that.

To me that was Porter.

As student looking of that
stuff into a specific kind.

Just because it allowed me to say that
I can be formal with what I do know

not knowing what I know or learning or
learning C. plus plus or C.

start up but I can B.S. formal it out by
using a P.C. and using my eyes basically.

But the problem of course we all
that stuff was that it would not

implemented in computers it was
all between our eyes and hands.

This is a lasting restriction on to.

So the two would force of government.

The only one of that is to
circle Britain imitation.

It is usually do that designers don't
they just want to sew samples but

they have the complete elimination
of all possibly good guesses and

you can have you know saw a small
catalog a part of it got a little B.

three by five using the sake of
a different proportions within the grid.

So how we go about it how I went about
implementing it in a similar way.

Like I explained before we
could theoretically but

only discuss the high but I just get
upset by basically encoding each room and

the need he set of the grammar
with different possibilities so

when whenever he has been floods.

But in those.

Orientations all of those
are encoded into the grammar.

So the there is and there is a possibility
awfully snuffling the grammar

in order to produce some of it all to the
if you know of course it is possible only

because I know that if I do know
that I will be able to do it.

So this is we did in a station.

This is not very successful
you have to walk it.

So how the sape can actually be
implementing to graphs of different sorts.

It's much more powerful to show
the application itself I'm going

to show you that.

Now this is working on it.

I have it and
you see here this is the the.

View David interface.

Is an admin and
different here is the the a complete so

to speak computation and of course because
it is three dimensional it just exudes

a plan and you can hear a basic
understanding of the first or the grammar.

Again this.

This is a grammar that's not meant to be
a law it's meant to initiate stymie and

metal doing cloud you know there's
only about the first floor but

because of the success of the story
we're thinking not only in taking on

the lumber just as they as a living
program is an actual program design

research program protection but also I
mean in the specific case completing

that by putting second stories
by putting that is sort of.

And all the rest of
the language of architecture.

Well if they're extending the language in
most beautiful ways in New York I lead

the impost by the in enough of the things
for classical or for other mothers.

So let me.

So you know the.

That.

OK.

My computer along here.

I didn't I have a new one but

didn't want to try all that stuff
in the new one so bear with me.

Yes.

As of yesterday so I haven't opened
it I didn't want to do that.

I don't look my age either but
I do find him.

Well.

Let's come.

Here we are that's the interface
of rabbit quite quite massive.

I mean to come to terms that
all we have here is the adding

the author this guy louse for
all the software to B.S. plugins.

So these millions are some
version one point four version.

We have different.

I'm going to quickly now so
I did a version of how this can be used.

You can hear for any of the modules
are going to have an order eventually have

an automated one go to make it's meant to
show you the possibilities of the plugin

so the interface of the of
the drive itself for

example in the man will
want to hit hands on it.

Tell you what he does and

then if you keep getting you know it
gives you more details about that.

So the manual says in this he lied or
you stop the bleeding grandma and

he caught it on bingo it would be
a pretty good computation is the same

one with the say blue as before.

So if I didn't.

And this is really the thing
we used that you know to

have a sense of whether what it
what you do is actually correct.

Sometimes we have some little
monsters there sewing up

that missing this something
blocking our competitions.

So.

I don't know if you're
familiar with the work or for

George here seeing the possible
parlayed in Venus and

some thing one at least of
you have studied very hard.

It's a lot of stuff and

some possibly some instructively non
possible ones I think it's called.

So anyhow this is what the system
produces is as a possibility for

every stage in the design.

I'm going to do one one by
one in the car simple manner.

So again.

How do you proceed by
making it played in blue

is instruction in composition
in a specific style.

It's all about.

But it has to be it has to do
to correct my lady and less.

So where in any manual mode.

In one sense the model might then have
next days and nine which is open.

I can apply in terms of the gate
in the latter direction east west.

So there is only one graph route but
to say blues.

If I live now the rule.

I have two more so
the blood in both directions.

If I apply again did I have
now five I have completed

it five rows know that if
I really want to stop or

did it lead bottom tells me that I can
actually proceed to the next stage.

And there are some I live in the ones
that are stupid is a combination of two

buildings there for
me even if you want both be fine.

So here if peerless in Moscow B.K.
that part of the and

but its about I mean to do that
this would be a very good.

Example.

So here to be five and
then I go to some more letting

some more selves into the system and
by applying the word.

If you don't feel made to produce
basically the the basic can

get the basic layout of the did very
much in the manner of a lady and dumber.

Not what you hear these but

in the hard to believe environment
which is all about going.

A nation of cells and how you produce
the assumes that suggests if you

do have different options you can apply
a part of the can get it but a little can

get the nation which means a deletion of
a wall basically a space can be together.

If the you see here that it is deleted the
bottom into the pile the symmetry axis.

So therefore for
example that wall should be fine if

you look like the will
of course like you do.

And then by applying to do the grammar
Now here's the subtle intelligence to

identify and apply there as we talked
earlier by deleting this wall.

You know to be a trooper lady and

want us to keep the uni actually symmetry
of the plan so deletes the other one.

If it's a bit indignant it did so

would not have been bigger to
the symmetry axis the same thing.

There's one graph one Say
don't I choose the road.

Let's say I can go here.

I apply the rule.

And the when the other side.

Now again I can go back and forth.

You see in these roads.

Does It's not the serial
in every in every state and

I can choose any permutate I want to
between the different applications of

groups not just here and
now at a click the not admit is part

of the grammar recognizes that
there is a central hall like that.

Therefore it tells me that there is
a possibility for making it cross ape or

a cross hall or a T. space.

And of course now I mean you can see what
is the space of A or B. of the plus space

is by looking no description one graph
it would want to say but only let's say.

I live in the cross and

it has it had I go next to it to tell you
that this move in fact of the next stage.

So there we are we get into the into the
next stage the specific design here does

not allow any realignment of wall to build
still enjoy time and usually which is a.

It's a strange part of the grammar but
nevertheless the put it on.

So I cannot do anything with this
part I go not the extensions.

Would it really the interface
of the building with the.

With along the major axis DOS for
example I can choose the south.

I could finish with more like
architecture of a goblin good board to

go slow descent and just let it go.

If I if I decide to do that and
have different types of different

different subtypes let's say can
put it in the portico notice of

the system by putting the border going to
notify them if there is another axis here.

What can it possibly apply in my toes or

are going to go directly to Nick and
say I want inflection.

You know I love you and he knows that
you know that sort of he enjoyed it.

If electing and one part of it
is often different to the UK.

So anyhow.

We're here.

We did all that and
then we go we don't need anything else for

example we have the major discourse for
for

the interface of the building to the north
and to the south or to the front and back.

So to speak and then you're going to go
into UP INTO up with in the end floods or

the windows and
the doors where do you put it when a door.

I mean isn't a question of thinking
about how do you go about doing

all that the grammar specifies that.

So if for example I can open windows
either independent killer or

in the but it works with respect
to the symmetry of indignance I

can open a window and what do you think
would happen to get on My Space if I said

you have four windows open up that
has to go there you know because it's

a reflection of their authority to
go back and forth in both sides.

So it is the this is again his
intent just understand that

you know he's going to put some more
windows let's see in the bottom.

Now that we found it extremely extremely
interesting because this is something

that he was really done with it with when
you were dealing with this apes with said

I must perceive the fact that this is now
getting into text I mean where do you.

Where would you put it where
would you fire the road.

And what is there that you see you
know doc like that over for X.

and it's to be a workable plan so
far as I'm living with one more window.

Lity perpendicular we put now there.

And what they said inflection
the position was inflection say fight

the the position here.

Of course this is not is still
the grammar is in unity but

if it is to reveal to be but I mean that
I used to to account for different for

different variations Bush
is going to be rooms.

So then the windows can go back and

forth in the open some doors
at a particular doors.

This is the so called and
freelance the going to be in the front and

back in the east in the right and left.

So this or here it opens like that.

And opens on the other side to.

I cannot been a little.

So it opens that one stating that there
was an accessible and this here but

because they said it was inaccessible
the grammar does not let me finish.

It is not done in architecture sense.

So you get a second.

I think I am what it is partly style or
you could stop it.

So you can but the time you can
still be if you could qualify

to go to the next stage without
really exhaust all possibilities.

I'm going to put.

I don't know like of you.

The Phantom door with people ready and
what if you want but

this is back what it is.

And then again notice a different even
if I put one standard you can not.

Give you not have access
to the rest of the rooms.

So if I go to the part of.

Not not even though it's bizarre.

You know and this is something that some
of the stuff would have been three months

with when you were doing
that little save gas at.

I mean you would say that.

Yeah I mean I'm a huge unit with a door
here writing to make it work because it

will allow you to do it but
what if you don't do it.

I mean this is still a valid plan but
not really so

anyhow I mean this is something that
we still hold with our duty to.

We doing with all that.

So anyhow we are done with the windows and

here we will hear one more option
to finally be in go to review.

The city as I said earlier the three
dimensional solid modern off of the.

The sort of using

the work here again this is very new
stuff that we only have on the matter.

It is much this year and there not this
one simple coming up in a moment but

I see it is the hearsay story it
is a heresy book the middle and

the usual suspects and
with government finally.

Plan because God didn't so the sooner
they were good to me the more time up but

until he does that I mean a space to
be full of that which is good but

it's not just that
the don't be dismissive.

This is it.

It's an incredible.

Project that even though I got into it
with a cold heart how I have grown to love

it because there's so much bullshit so
many people to believe with not

we don't YOU are not here the graph
the possibility of not link.

Wells in three villages going to
want to get out crossing paths

is really get with the courthouse.

Whenever we have more than
two courts in one plane and

not only get the rest of the networks
that they're required to party

and I think that without intervention
there is it's a particular problem.

It's also a problem.

I mean it's not just connecting dots and
stuff so it is complex.

We have lots of stuff that is
done from the mid ninety's.

There's lot of a lot of abuse.

Should we have to
different sets of things.

The one is in the building say
they have been built about so

many across the country and
there is the on the other

hand you have the court that he had been
taught by architects who work for the for

the judges and
between the two there are discrepancies.

This is a great problem in its own right.

It's cut across going to gutter
conventions it cuts across different

stylistic sort of needs and all that.

So I think the long story short
he would stand a minute or

two along directly what he's done so far.

Right now behind the firewall.

The of the government.

And what you see is the debate.

I mean you need to give us an F.B.I.

clearance to see all that I'm not going
to show you some distance of history.

But what I'm going to show you
is like some of the stuff that

actually makes sense.

What we have to do here of this is

this is a database you see my name here it
put it on the top with Mr McGovern I swear

I am there every other day
basis they have different.

You know you have writers you have
authors you have administrator.

Public mean all of
everything in the system.

It is.

It has failed us for
whoever did anything but

right now an author of the system and
in it.

Of everything.

Of course.

This is just a database will only get done
get it done be basic ontology the parts

in the relationships that are of interest
to us we didn't have that in this specific

case we didn't have the intelligence
we didn't have the grandmother.

So we have to construct
everything crowds and

this is a hard because we have three
different we did three things the last.

I mean this project been what about eight
years with Mike as well I mean Mike was in

the broader the president the producer was
Bill we project in the past three years so

I took it on to do this delicate
description along the lines where they

explained to you before so
entirely it ot the project from scratch.

Even though it's not the only thing
from two crag he was so generous of

me to get up there with you with the
sponsors and all that and then gain their

confidence you know to so what I could do
for them rather than just docking stuff.

What we had done three things First
of all we would use for them like.

An ontology order or like a structure of
discourse look at their court houses.

This is involving Committee on top.

This is about.

So you can you can look at
all this court like that.

You can look at the you can sort

them out according to different needs
ways built that with with date.

So for example.

And that's if it isn't one by stuffing.

What they have done in for
the specific case we just got to talk.

It was incredible story like calculus
cleaning stuff you got to get stuff

everywhere G.S.A. gave us drawings from
the architects for the US and for us stuff

that I'd done before stuff and connect
found stuff you know it was stuff coming

from everywhere and all of these get to
be somehow put together in some sense.

The only basically here.

And we're problem and believe it.

The problem is this.

Can't be we have this problem.

OK Well let's.

Wow I have to take it so let's say
look at one any any any would suffice.

So they really are going to whatever
courthouses we have a different

sort of great interest of it's like an
actual sense that have been building and

then the plate with all
this because this happened.

We also collected this data data for
them and

we codified everything with
googling different scales.

So for any of those you can see
what your Timmy's where it is

related to the maps and all that.

And of course you can take a gun take all
of the benefits of the grass growing up.

Then what schoolhouses the basic
discussion basics of the for

database of constructed we have you know
the tax that journalists wrote within

that any of that we just took
the stuff they had you know drawings

photographs some stuff and
we do it on our own it's part of the main.

It's got a lot of it due to pore over
there on the most into their resume and

we're happy to give it to them and
not on my not so

we also visit we see the courthouse where
the standard meeting sounds better.

We also produce the.

This.

This panoramic photographs
the what they really want.

I mean because the different the the I
guess the states the stakeholders so

many you have to go to get justice.

You have everyone.

And the documentation applies
to different concerns.

So we have we have tried to do
what we do to have the minimum.

I guess technical require
north of no sadness at all so

that everything in this job blinds
nothing at all just once you're logging

in the system you can see everything
if you want any hellishly stuff and

you can look at this in the courtroom
level as well for the different types and

you can text drawings
different more Dallas.

OK.

You know what I know versus distance.

This took a long time.

You can't imagine how you know
I'm saying where sometimes I

start drinking out of this.

But I'm going to find
an excuse because the analyze

the hell is the work addiction is a theme.

So we've got all that stuff and we don't
want to come to terms with the material so

all we did look for example again
the same we produce a series of diagrams.

Let's look at the one that I
particularly like the you could see

you know of course some of you.

The fact that these buildings
are interesting disaster because the major

architects getting into
the into the game and

producing it isn't stuff really
questioning what the U.S.

courts design say they only
question what they produce to them.

So all they have done is this
we were looking at drawings that

we typically do in design studio when we
try to nice things for anything safe we're

going to show you this this is actually
nice to start with reduced body maps

all completed all automated which means
that you have to say for example.

The courtroom here and but
you have different parts

when the party have developed East I
mean it's really the ontologies are so

there you know it is in
the millions to go next and

have if you want to see that that that
that that there is the fifteen with.

Thirteen or fourteen with it's just
it's not a relationship of the courtroom

to the whole configuration and
you can zoom in or you can.

Let's say the of the public to the bottom.

So we have developed once you begin to
plan we will make these boundaries of

these out in the else we want and
thereby by scripting basically we have

all possible relationship
either individually or

nested one versus the other if you're
going to have all of this implemented but

what would be too much of a hassle for
the judges anyone.

You know or you can look at
the restricted where the judges are for

example the relationship of the.

Spaces.

One thing that I actually love.

Is that it is is
the organizational structure.

This is the courtrooms
versus of of court house.

The court may be specific events
as they're called configuration

like can only be gone to great
extent to keep the caracter and

the detail in place and it's very much
like what Molly did in his colon and

everything so otherwise he'd not sense.

There was like a thing of sort of giving
OK The last think really the last.

Compare.

You can have all of those let me hear
stuff and then you can analyze them

in the compare you can sort out
in any way you want but floors.

You can sort all of your self effacing.

The architecture you want to save example

you know I don't know
how many this is done.

You see to the west when they were
built said if you see if there

is a print all at once it is sold
out according to the figures.

OK you can select them like this
by clicking your mouse over.

OK.

And then once you select you
can actually compare them.

Visually and computers and behind it so

be my scene of the it gives you a basic
outline what it is going to look at that.

You can see the different
ways you can look at them for

example you can look at the bigger
grants and deport them.

So you can look only let's say
by the circulation pattern.

Or you can put them all together and you
can hear the system providing you reports

not the least of all of these things one
next to each other are different scales.

We've got a lot.

You can zoom in what any of that.

So forth.

I mean I don't want to spend more time.

This Is It in essence stuff
that is actually analyzed and

the database behind it be able to
the three of them according to separate it

are going to put it and
this is only the groundwork for

the research project that we did but
months ago to allow us to do something

that you saw in this state in the grape or
in the Believe it or not but reducing

diagrammatic presentations three mention
of the good article presentations for

some contest when the U.S.
courts in the D.S. able to beat and

you could house in essence who want to do
a field of court house of course and it.

Apologise to a brother.

I have lots of time but I do know it.

And you know.

But actually yes.

You're absolutely right because
the DIA say once they see the baby.

I mean the squeeze that ice will be but.

You.

Well.

You know what

you need to get a word for me.

Really.

Really.

They're absolutely right.

I mean that it was a very
very western India flag and

I'm sure there's got to light and
in fact we had it.

We have more reasons than one to see
that the there's a common the that

behind the common sense here is in these
buildings not only on blindness and

we have seen a big opportunity to get
nasty and bad because they have to comply

with all of the regulations and that we
were going to extend this discourse to so

you would spin it exactly do that
then his seven most to artists and

that they they say that's
what we did the best we can.

So yes we don't want to do
that in fact we want to and

if think the whole the whole
problem of the courthouse.

The.

Then i mean them for
example is not it's not here and

here's a new type that is not.

Even under these.

But we want to think probably so

you can see how many are theoretically
possible even to get any

because something started dealing with
that in this installation in the Soviet.

You know that stuff which is in a summary
what it's OK I mean it's the plane of

the graphs so
that Portland is only it is a proof

of that of other possibilities are they
exist and they're not going to be

implemented not to mention when you get
emotional words the one question is really

the the we didn't require
them to be this whether these

documents to their people need to be there
in the repeating and repeating the same

basic mistake because I know there isn't
the only thing they know is going to have

this design guide that's only have
which has many problematic issues.

So right.

We want to rethink all that and we said
we don't want to use think I do stuff or

wrong stuff or top of I want to not useful
to be the better way of putting it.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah yeah.

Yeah I mean you know how I mean

we had this discussion last year when we
were up top of the previous place and

you know what am I really fought
as much as I could building that

much into that because we'll be much allow
you for for encoding some of that sort.

They didn't want to do that because
they are worried about security issues.

This is the government and the government.

You can't you know Mostyn anybody
especially you not was there anybody else

to do anything with them but up.

But the new police is that we're
never going to have the satellite or

the the maps or
the you know all of this can be in

place we could hide and keep their grounds
by using the functionality of Google and

I have an asset one thing
we do hope that part out

in Middle East prevention of Stewart is
a in the public name is thinking about

all the security conditions of and
then using the Google

as a as it is the groups in order for
the season making it the process.

So yes because.

Yeah.

To me and I'm going to hew to
me this is the most valid.

I mean from my perspective.

Where I'm coming from is in what was
another perspective in the research.

I don't think we can stand that
this is really a matter of being

the reason to keep watching what you.

I do think there are many of
the answer to your question is that

you would be does this but
in check whether you're right or

not you know assumptions your inventions
about what you do what you try to do.

I think.

Right now.

Don't take any state believe yourself and

you know I I I love to make it so I think
the course of time I find appropriate.

Students I put into suggestion of
a specific article this Would you can

take each of meaning because
the issues meaning what you're saying

how one side of it is off and
how you classify the world.

How do you keep on classifying world and
in the play deal for you is different.

Hope so.
Yes I mean they've always the core of

what these allows in the British or
Yes It comes as additional stuff

is really are still put on
the on the subject matter.

So I wish you would have not one
sort of think about it but good.

Like the same thing here books.

You know who believed in the will stop and
having new book and plenty of it.

But if so good they will allow
all with different protections.

It would be good if your software.

On that.

I could probably do.