So you just this afternoon panel is
about the who could put in future trends

in theory and

practice and we thought there was no
better way to think about the present and

the future then to kind of channel or
our students have heard students and

hear about what they're working on
in the context of their advisers and

the work that the faculty members have
been conducting over the recent past.

So we have an enormous panel
of people I've never seen this

many people in one of this room before and
they parse for

those of you who don't know everyone
that we have in the city Pierce and

decrease Gaskins who will be joining us
momentarily to solve and more likely and

Brian a great coach and and
then we master life and with them.

We're going to do the way that we would
we're going to do this is we're going to

hear a little bit from each advisor
a small amount we got them to withhold

their usual locations and this interest
of moving us directly into the much more

interesting work of their students and
then we've got some sort system for

presentations of student work as a way
of introducing the idea of the future

of digital media theory in practice and
then depending on how the timing

goes I've got some some questions up my
sleeve and we'll have a little discussion.

So I'll start by just just asking.

Carl to kick us off if you will
look just doing the work here or

there as we move you hear
what I'm told warming or

not is the higher the problem coming
through the summer you want morning panel.

We may not know each other because I
am in the midst of my fifth year here.

So I run a series of projects.

An advice thing through at
least group of folks that

called the public design workshop.

But more important than that I'm part
of a new sort of emerging threat

within digital media
around Civic Media and

in is going to talk more about that at the
end but there's a number of us including

myself and I can use it up to
embarrass and Chris with Dan tech

faculty who are really concerned with
the question of how do we bring design and

design research to address
problems of publics and developing

new media platforms and opportunities for
participation with communities and so

the way that we approach is the way that I
approach this work at least is trying to

think about creating opportunities for
teaching and learning for our students but

instead of taking design to be
sort of a service industry for

corporations instead thinks about
design as being a series of practices

that might be applied to actually
working with issues for communities and

really forging out into new spaces so
Karen mentioned bio and

design and one of the projects you'll
see this afternoon is actually a project

looking at competition in needle
media tools for do it yourself.

Mycology or
do it yourself mushroom cultivation and

the other one which is I think really
emblematic of the kind of work we can do

if we shift away from thinking
of being just for industry and

instead thinking about being for issues is
Laurent Langley's work which he's going

to present which is really asking this
question how do we use these tools such as

information design information
visualization to support

local nonprofit institution and their
issues and I think it's a sign of how we

see this work within the department it's
worth noting that Lauren's master's thesis

was just her master's project was just
last week awarded Best master's project.

So actually the third right now and
I won't say anything more.

But let's pursue the work because I think
it really speaks for itself in terms

of one of the new direction of what
we're trying to do here with the media.

So put everyone kind of more in Langley.

And my thesis project is a web
based in our data visualization

and it displays our quality data.

This is just a snapshot of
what it looks like now but

I want to get a little background
information about how I got here.

So I initially set out to design a data
visualization that would not only

hold my research and
development interest for a year but

would also have plenty of potential or
value in the community that I live in.

So I chose to focus my energies

towards a natural resource
the Chattahoochee River.

So the river supplies more than seventy
percent of Atlanta's time water for

drinking but it's also heavily used for
recreation agriculture and

fishing and
with such a valuable research resource

that affects the lives of so
many people that Lana.

Doesn't care to the health
is monitored and

the water quality standards have
been put in place by E.P.A.

and other governmental organizations
to protect water from pollutants

such as not Tyria and
indicators of water contamination and

are indicators like Eco ally and
that is something that's measured heavily

by organizations like upper Chattahoochee
River Keeper which is an obvious and

an organization that I
approached this year to

kind of use as my clients
who are my project and

in return I had access to
their data which they collect.

For a program called
Neighborhood Water Watch pictured in

this photo is Ryan an intern that
I went out with and told him for

a day as he collected and
analyzed the water samples and

this is an aerial view of one of the water
collection sites in that program.

So I approached the organization
build them a comprehensive tool

that would help them in and through
their data and maintain their data and

also visualize it and
also try to do this and

streamlining their current system which
they use Google Docs to enter their

information and they have kind of like
a small Google map that just showed

the results from that previous week but
there's no archive of that information.

So this is picture of me
in their lab analyzing

that you call I getting it ready for
a test.

So like I said they enter
the data weekly and so

the tool that I've created
just sets up the Google

spreadsheet as their you know
administration for their they don't.

And so I hooked it up so
that would be updated real time into

the visualization on
the website which is this

tool right here and I will show
you what it looks like in action.

OK Here is an example and

you can choose one of the collection
sites either from this map or

you can choose it from
the list view below and

the chart over here and there is equal.

What is the parameter that organization
games the most important and

in the chart below are indicators
of equalizer which is.

Committed and rainfall and
all these charts are used

and down all these charts are bound
together by this top timeline slider

which you can interact with
by pulling the handles and

as you see everything is bound
together and you can zero in on us.

You know a specific date range and then

you call it parameters at the same
time and if you want to look at

different results for a day you can hover
over it and you click to select date and

if you want to compare data for this pick
a specific day you can do that and then

click on another collection site and

see the data real time as well and
that is the overview of the project.

So thank you.

Hello from the director of the atom

lab here at Georgia Tech been here
about the same cement of time as Carl.

It's nice to people who are coming
back here from before I

was lucky enough to come to
work that we do without and.

Initially was going super on the idea
of developing a digital media.

So in other words using the eyepiece
techniques to create a digital media

that's a dad to dissolve or change itself
in some way to the new user the interest

of the user that was five years ago
when I came here since the purpose of

that work has shifted slightly to
a little bit more broader category.

Of looking at the relationship

are specifically involved
in human creativity and

trying to support their
creativity through practices.

We have one project called your sketch
which will be demo to stares later

today on this post on using human
creativity as means forward computer

science education through the remake
seeing of hip hop music and other genres

through computer languages the work that
we've most heavily focused on the however

is the computation of representation
of creativity by looking at

different exemplars in our daily
lives like human player children play

or entertain practices
that involve creativity

like storytelling in games like theater
games in improvisational theater or

tabletop role playing better understanding
these practices from a cognitive viewpoint

or socio company you point our intent is
to build technologies that represents

the kinds of things that we see people
do and the point is twofold one is to

understand us as creative entities better
to understand what it means when we say

that we play with somebody or
what it means to be on stage and

who create a story with somebody and the
flip side of that is that we have a better

understanding of these processes
more formal longer standing but

what it means to engage with each other
in this way then maybe we can build

technologies that provide similar kinds
of engagement with other machines or

with with human interactors So for

example building robotics that play
along with you to provide creative and

imaginative play experiences on either
through software agents or harbor agents

for people who don't have access to to
that or for learning experiences that and

you gauge in some sort of play and
it should be developed.

The work that we're going be running
here is there's been talk about it's

worth the focus is on our sort
of improvisational theater.

So better understanding how to build
interactive narrative experiences

through the study of a real live
interactive year of practice.

That's one kind of ninety nine point
nine nine nine percent involves kind of

the spontaneous creation of story
content on the fly and as a performance.

I thought instead we are very much
interested in competition good music and

I think calories very much along other
back and back to more of the system.

I currently special they sit side.

In fact when we play games at present but
we are used to

use these other cards where we have put
control over them and we are expecting

no most information on the weight loss or
I think that we're going to do that.

Of a car that's what we are trying
to do here is to have this kind of

more flexible interaction
with the system so

that human activity is doing some

motions where he's in buttons
are included in the system and

our car has to work into the best
luck that human is also is doing so

you can do some motions and then another
car is using his EON reasoning goes is

in order to get to bed like
other human activities.

In fact we can see here
that there are going

to be lost in the mission there and
has been included in this process.

So long time friend to me is to come
to this kind of a conciliation and

of this company that I believe
that information poses and

didn't accomplish them more than the evil.

Two I love.

They are agents to get these women to
live in the way and he shared with them.

No I don't like just secretly.

My question at the moment it's about
being on the think it was another

supreme something when we are doing
a conversation with each other

each one about his business trying
to build momentum over the book with

the other person is having in
his mind in about his beliefs or

his understanding going Spago so
in order to be on the same page.

We need to have common ground we need to
have common genuine and this is what we

are trying out who is currently in
business and to examine Nowadays

we are also interested in what's called
conception lending how human beings.

Does this kind of government forces and
how we kind of visionary present this

coming into that business and
how this needs to assume

these interactive nights and
to be a movie that pulls

the kind of you know from all.

So the work that we have the work that we
have observed in this project is a connect

based interaction where you
can actually step up and

have this as Ronnie was saying and
embodied interaction with interact and

interactive narrative as opposed to looks
like a traditional clicking on a computer

or it's became a microphone
subsystems The idea

is to actually perform bodily with these
AI agents within an urban setting.

So what was his next

setting is that it at all.

Apparently about Brian and
Karl mentioned at the beginning

that there's different rats that are areas
in the media that are shaping and

Internet address these later on it and
like Brian I don't want to fit our purpose

in this area be to be a knowledge but also
just that arts and entertainment as well.

My lab and just all this.

The static media lab.

It's a slightly different but actually
Brian's getting to the bottom side as

you said and he is not that different
now that we are really interested and

house and all embodied interaction has
created practices in these campuses range

from the cross the Arts and Sciences never
specifically assisted in connections

between creativity in the arts and
in the sciences and the way they

are showing you supported by these new
kinds of interactions technologies and

modern technologies tangible technologies
and combining digital media and

in the expression and news media discovery
in the sciences and also maybe modes

of thinking about ourselves and thinking
about the world around us and what we do

on this theme of we talk a little
bit more on this theme of theory and

practice that we have in our program the
work we do is really rooted in concepts

from the cognitive sciences specifically
from the area and body mission which

suggests that there's a connection in our
brain between perceptual cognitive and

motor prophecies and what we do is we use
these ideas from the body cognition and

I was a framework for
making about how we design a body and

interactions that can better
support creative practices and

they can give us new ways of thinking
about matching ideas and you know whether

this is more of a narrative expression
in the right storytelling system or

whether it's for a conversational science
so I make discoveries in science and

that wire story and what I would like to
do today with the earth with her for time

today is going to give an example of how
this science has through work and who's

doing first Ph D. dissertations let me
tell you more about that in a moment but

I'd like to set the stage by giving
you a group leader in this and

telling you about a good home
folder people neighborhood only.

OK.
A few not so many so

called it's a game that felt actually a
University of Washington and it harnesses

a community of every day players to solve
real world real protein folding problems

and what's interesting about folding
is that is that and so the weights are.

For a mystery of how it came about is that
they usually solve these protein folding

problems the commentators all means
like optimization algorithms.

But they found that computers are actually
failing in the exact problems that humans

are really good at solving namely
those that require spatial cognition.

So in Baja Here's
a representation problem.

Let's give it a visual interface with
drag manipulation and see what that does.

And now suddenly they brought it.

They made this problem except it will
to a whole community of players that

have never solved before like thirteen
year old children now compete with

the best biochemists in the world on
the road evolving problems and it's and

it's absolutely absolutely spectacular So
clearly there's kind of an important

citizen science aspect to this project but
from the perspective that we take in

my lab what's really interesting about
this is actually the way that begin

changing the representation and giving it
an embodied in a direct me is not a more

human construct a human a visual in direct
manipulation interface gave people a way

to think differently about this
problem and that's that's really cool.

The snow but the thing is that pretty
people when you think about it is

actually already a special structural
problem it's proteins Yes they made

a protein on screen and you can twisted
and pull it and turn it around but

it's not so hard to take this problem and
represented visually.

But there are loads of problems in the
computational sciences that are way more

abstract that are represented by so
many so what we work on are biochemical

pathways firing the reaction network so
these are reactions that

are happening all across the different
cells in say some plant or organism and

the question is how do you take this type
of problem that's really abstract and

represented by a sense for an ordinary
differential equations and turn it into

something that's tangible and marking
that's exactly what we're working on and

handed over and
tell you a little bit about hiring and

the music is an interaction varies and

who's approaching that I think actually
having it would have paid just

person to discover.

Which is an impact way to
house the sense battles you

just saw companies money makes.

So this is what happening
is the sense of balance and

then you do the modeling is in bad and
then they get scared and made a problem.

Now that there's somebody has a neck and
B. So far he's not completely and

the temple of the model is
to create a whole reaction

that model cream in Egypt concentration
and mark all money good hands and

you know the whole model in the that
would generate the same problem.

So this is actually quite a complex
problem that computers are very good at

solving most of the current problem
that AK exactly they have to use

computer they have to think a way
to form a model model you mostly

at least get a piece of paper on
the strength of the model in them or it is

a programming language for example and
manage the program manager to describe it.

You know very very patient and after that
Iraq is finished and there will be charts

or numbers in there that compare the two
major result was the sentiment data and

somehow that go back and change the model
or change music concentration or

change the parameters to be
generated this unit result.

This is a very complex problem because

we didn't really give the model
the extreme weight of being a problem and

then you get Ravager you on the computer
language and every few years.

What do you do it doesn't deliver
anything to do with that and

you can't because the programming in and
you get numbers is not very how do

they know so they have to use
are not many Asian approaches that

are connecting our way that
we paid the second half.

So many in every business who she and

I know understand why all
our growth their vocal.

Now creature this vision that I'm so
this is that we need to pathways

somebody this memory when
this isn't radical or

moderate going to come come got tangled
big and there's not a gun on the table yet

so they can use it and bark just created
a manager who's in with a circle he's not

going to do is to create and mess back
business because it's not very clear

that they get away with science and
actually creating what it is and

having the ability to connect
commanded to create a reaction and

a view that in the demise of the nation
and is even a result of what we shall

immediately running through the model
of it created all sort of beginning for

the surrogate together and
you know this is a steady lead So

again I think I'm going to
then look at the real problem.

And also we have created a given really to
take and we've used that reduction are you

going to retain the one that was denying
everything before we have all these

you have a good meeting and happy how
they seem to have the modeling process.

So good so
you can actually come to be done.

There is interest you were nine
years getting all of the current

coverage through crises actually ten
to program not using a variation.

So we actually have
some experimental data.

No you don't need to face
an accent you see an ad you

could be a genius as you have been is that
campaign tacking you prove the weight and

piece because things are going
to get you know problems and

you thank us and

gives a sense on this is the source

of these gifts and
are this is this is a good.

Or what is it.

This is one more zone.

What was this one

answer is

the reason

this is so well.

How.

Actually that's all she's

going to use here since he's

so sure this is so so my project

is basically a cultural skull culturally
situated game based learning more.

C S T V L what it is does is it takes
cultural artifacts looks a cognitive

manes interpersonal context and sort of
also look said you can see a little guy or

a gram here and the middle and individual
schemata and in the center creating

experiences or game base experiences
that engage would take away non rich.

Non-traditional and under represented
students particularly urban students or

students who are African-American or

Latino who are not necessarily
moving into the STEM fields.

So one of the things that I've been
doing is looking at cultural artifacts

existing cultural artifacts that
actually have some some built in or

embedded mathematics or
science principles.

So one of the examples the example
I'm using for my demo.

This is a painting it was done in one
thousand nine hundred four by John diggers

and it's a mural actually and
how it was done in Houston and

he this artist actually went through he
went through a whole research process

where he went to Africa and
study stuff in Africa.

You also used F.T. what was happening
with black women in quilting in

the American South and he also was really
interested if they could geometry.

So he embedded all of those different
aspects inside of the smear role and

then what I had did you know what
I've done is Ronnie questions now for

mathematician at R.P.I. who had been
working with you actually wrote about

this painting and many paintings
like it in one and two thousand and

four and talked about how this
kind of creates a bridge.

And this is what the paint one of
the paintings he focused on so

I began to pull also in the mathematic.

Principles and constructing some of the
math objects that are in this particular

work and want to go back home and
in doing so create a game around it.

So what I mean by cultural artifacts
are anything that is six hundred stone or

representations they can be gestures
quilts pottery pyramids and so

on with cognitive domains which
people from talking about such as

knowledge that's actually happening in
context are happening in the community and

then the interpersonal
context of the style or

the person a static of the creator of the
artist and then the individual schemata or

the internal representations such as
person experiences memories that may be

shared has also been talked about and
I'm looking at some research

about different researchers have gone
into classrooms particularly and

working with students who have
are under represented in notice me.

And they're not just they're not
connected to that in STEM information or

STEM classes or in their class and they're
disinterested So the idea is to use

the cultural things that they may or
may be aware of and bring them into and

then to learn to step in similar science
technology engineering mathematics.

So this.

So what I did is I took these and this
information I crave a game around it using

game mechanics and how this might walk
through the steps of actually doing

something like that taking something
that's cultural that's existing and

then making it into in
this case again thank

you.

This is my this is my curse
where I have it yet so.

So this gives you a sense of I think
to variety of different things

that are currently going on and
kind of where they're pointing and soon.

Now as we as we kind of enter
into conversation about this.

I have a number of questions
that that I want to.

So the panel and

then of course I'm curious to hear
what what the audience might want to

stop them with I'm one of the things that
strikes me about all this and this is so

many so many people here it's interesting
to look at you from this angle.

There's so
many different methods backgrounds

approaches to so
the work that we've just seen and

I tried to kind of count
the different different areas or

fields or the things that people would
normally call fields that were represented

even in just the few minutes that we
there we heard these presentations and

we have like you know design cognition and
ecology and after Futurism and

biology and contemptible computing and
visualization and machine learning and

I didn't know probably many more you could

argue that none of these have anything to
do with with any other of these fields and

we have this kind of you know mishmash of
different stuff this kind of bric a lot

of different approaches but
instead we're managing to kind of force

a synthesis right some kind of
synthesis in each of these works.

So I'm curious to hear what any of
you would say to the question well

you know how do you reconcile all these
different methods backgrounds fields with

one another and still have you
know a functional community and

address you know a public where
the public is the world at large or

a particular scholarly community.

Yeah I mean we can if you unseat
the mike from it stand then and

it will it will stop there we go.

Yeah that

was the we're in this is
this is just ridiculous.

One of the specialists on

this is sitting with me in

our so

I don't see the world this is very

very like this.

And I like his life.

Right.

Experiments and

that's why I like Google and

cyber rather And I think that

his friends are the same way
as I talk about my life.

We have our shape our problems.

The biochemistry bowling problems without
knowing anything about biochemistry

the same are in my actual tools for this.

There's a lot in that respect.

Sometimes things that we can
cope with the disciplinary side

that's a little bit about real life and
that's different because there's so

much that same time a few people away from

different perspectives and
really great site work process.

So I decided that family services answer
your question in terms of how do I

reconcile this one part of my practice
I've already found it hard for

I'm surprised that myself with all
that you know quite like my publishing

in this community or this like.

I do you know makes me define myself for
this but for the practice that I do that.

My life doesn't matter to me that
passion or the exit or right.

Tension but not in my heart and

this is the particular use of the weird
girl of the university that rubs up

against the the real world and
we have to show actual created work right.

All right you're being an impactful
researcher friends looking a certain

way on paper.

Exactly which may or

may not correspond with something
without actually actually needs.

So I mean you know if I can follow up on
that a little bit in the city one wants

to jump in on this kind of methodological
question with the sort of question about

theory and practice which is a phrase that
not only is in the title of this adult

with an M. percent even but also we
talk about the school constantly using

this phrase right here theory in practice
students come in they say what's different

about your program and one of the things
we say is that we combine theory and

practice but
what is that what does that mean today and

in the future because when I look at
all of the work that you've all shown.

I think I could make
the argument that it's that

it's not really theory in practice it's
it's just practice it in some ways.

So his theory is to read.

Dead or history been applied what
are your opinions about what it means to

to do theory a fact.

Now to the future.

So you can hold it was a warm

and just some bright

ones or in the office friends.

It's just the social

conscience for some people

who are

like ruthless I mean it's

really really really hard.

So very right for the program

where you write for
one gives a little just as I'm sure.

In the boy's new century

talk about those kinds of things in
a house and as a self and your game or

a heart or installation or person and
I think you heard their stories first.

The theory is using this is right here
in this neighborhood for Iraqi people

space so
that the rebels are using it here.

You know he was happy but

I don't think you know I
don't think the theory

always has to be front and center and
I don't think it always is and I and

I would like to say but
with a lot of my classes and projects.

I think that you can use those to
win the war but I'm also I mean in

the days of the idea of building
projects for years around their sins

of the public's in communities and and
trying to take apart some of discussions

of contemporary design about what does it
mean to be socially engaged those and for

the work but at the end of the day I'm
actually much more interested with

some of the students and actually
seeing them go out their practices and

then coming back and being here.

So before we get what I mean
let me follow up with a kind of

devil's advocate question I
can imagine someone asking.

And that's that so-called of
the situation you present

I can imagine someone sort of souvenir
from from some you know theoretically

informed humanities background and
saying well you're just you're just

you know kind of colonizing theory or
you're trying to get into this new liberal

practice of putting it to work
rightly is exactly what some would

say How would you how would you
respond to that to that critic.

I'm trying to put into work.

In certain circumstances.

I mean I think I think well I I don't
really hear about the criticism of

God and maybe that's the answer right.

But I mean I would say that I think I've
but again for me like it is trying to

put it to work in very
particular circumstances and

making a play or the kind of the view
that doesn't for actually get

it challenges us to make the scope of the
decision about where we want to do right.

So our ways of working in that we can hear
directly but let me speak about stuff

like my response as I said so

I want to say earlier this morning
is that I mean right that's right.

It's not just about every
This is about our life like

it's a virus or just

harmless little our little bird.

For instance you mention that's

part of when you also need

some understanding on lines of funding.

So that's why I

didn't read.

You know time we got to double know
the devil's advocates have leverage here

I'm going to everybody
agree with us right.

Good girl.

I I didn't see marriage talk
because I had to run and

teach but but I think that actually
we need to push it even further and

I would say that I don't buy that
there's any difference between us and

he's the only one I think that we
may have been and I CAN WE CAN I can

prove it to you by looking at the papers
until you grant that do exactly that.

I think that what we need to do
about the human going forward

is at the same time that we are creating
this pluralistic center for

ourselves here we have to make sure that
in the process of doing that we're not

actually creating false
boundaries to find ourselves and

statements like well we're different
that he's the are it's the C.E.O.

We're different in this field of that
building the other thing I think all all

of that if we really want to become our
potential how to get said we will do that.

There they just are.

So this is this is related
to the point alleyway.

You know that though that the distinctions
the arbitrary distinctions between fields

are very centrally bureaucratic structures
and if we if we maintain them then

the maintaining them not for
the sake of getting things done that for

the sake of appearing a certain way to us
to a particular audience or so with their

well known we have some so we can
continue talking about about theory and

practice internally but let me let
me ask a couple other questions and

I don't know if any you have anything
you want to ask just you know wait wait.

Stand up or wave your hands around or
throw something in the end

I'm just interested in in titles always
in the way that we frame our ideas for

the titles that we choose and another
phrase that appears in this panel titled

Is trends heard the future trends and
I was struck by the fact

that in all of your work presentations or
brief presentations of work.

What counted as trends did not include.

Twitter.

We keep Facebook issues of privacy or

intellectual property or the knowledge
economy all these sorts of things that

are let's say trendy that we would
that we would expect to hear in

the in the context of digital media trends
in almost any other in any other venue.

So I'm curious what all
of you think about that.

What does it mean to be at the forefront
of something or working with trends or

predicting predicting the future or
working to create a future in the present

moment given everything else
that's going on around us in

the broad field of of of
computing in different media so

then we're doing your proposition
is you are the general

of interactive nerd which is what
are these morning New York or New York

and we've been good friends that
exist within that medium our work is

the way that I view it is directly
a reaction to kind of the status quo or

whether you see that field valving
to repass and fifty years.

This summer we're going to go down this
bill was in the really did ninety ninety.

There you know on in Stanford and

mighty and they really there was
one cow that was out by Joe Bates.

That is basically due to diddle large
amount of dissertations system.

And reflecting on it and for
my own view we can look at it go.

Well we haven't sold it yet.

We have to solve this problem.

Billings hold it like experience.

So maybe this little bit of that we're in
is not necessarily the best solution or

maybe there will be more solutions that
are explained explored so though we're

going to get a proposition is directly
kind of from the one that a lot of you

point and from a technological viewpoint
in reaction to kind of where I see

people are are stuck in terms of terms of
pushing in terms of pushing the boundaries

we're trying to create an experience from
intervals of interacting with ality.

And interest.

No experience again that's
on what do you think built

like a local meeting beginning with
friends and Freddie bright lights so

you look from a really high level
picture friends or much much longer for

things that are trendy
right now looking for that.

Why not your friends and
if you find the answer.

A little you're stuck in what's for
you right now but

once you brought a friend to
brought you there you go.

Where is this going and the twenty years
from now there is where you actually

see friends as well as people
in friends histories I

suspect all of you have different
rights as it is your friends or

your agency when you work
in my technologies and

where when the sons of us try to pull
of the supposed by her last days or

the rights of privacy out of what's funny.

Right now look at my favorite picture of
you know where where's all this going and

what is the friend that
I felt create future.

So we can hope for the stickers.

So I actually

did

you meet

them

in the.

People who work for you.

Say they remind me.

This is where I think it's the same
world and time with the cool kids.

Not all that do it you
know it's just a wee

wee Actually we do have
a Twitter demo upstairs and

the reason why was because we
did a demo day last year for

a project that we had both exhibited and
that had received external funding and

it was about the future of digital media
relations at a small scale agriculture and

both came in there like really like
you're going to school for this someone

you can do this and I had an interesting
way of what I actually find for

my students who want to
go out into the field and

get jobs as interaction designers having
to drop some of this back again so

you know who made a very tactical decision
that is here to be like yeah we're

interested in these questions and you know
we're going to we're going to use Twitter

to explore that in part because it makes
a connection and that idea of making

a connection back to what is not
the silly trendy but also trying this was

like a fiction what is a fridge is like
one of the of importance for the moment.

How do you do you not
burn the bridge bill.

Right which is just subtle of course
subtlety is not normally the way to try to

get discussed in any way we're almost
out of time I have one more question or

thought at least as a question.

So we've heard a lot of opinions from the
Faculty members of this panel if you were

from the from the students actually we
have an interesting group here we have

master students Ph D.
students of postdocs of different

different places and
introductory so that your careers.

I'm curious to hear your opinions about.

Well let's see what it was an intriguing
question I ask what what are you.

What are you worried about what
are the things that you looked.

Professor I know you're

a liar an artist who works in research.

Where

did you learn English

National Ballet.

You've heard direction and you're

out there more

and more white myself

and you see me more as.

Your reality

was his never really

the world here.

This is really.

We're

all

like

So.

So a lot

of real world.

And yes.

Actually result in an well

that's the second question is are us from

both ends and my eyes.

Yes Yes yes

yes yes.

Look at all the people here.

Right.

Well here's what I might write novels.

I didn't say that a lot rides and

I think that's a big I heard my

words right above my bed.

But why

I think that's

a great question and I think the answer
is we don't and it's not all research

Lord's work it's not certain some Master's
Degree project that's really about

going out into the world and
I wouldn't necessarily want

to live with it from
the research research.

All right.

But like you put this research involved
in any design project right so

I think we don't have to call it already.

Surgeon it's worth asking at what
point are we doing research of what

points are we doing something else do
we have to maybe there are parts of it

that are that are not going to be research
are not going to be academic research.

I think recognising that everyone does
some sort of exploration as part of their

process and they were to be really
careful actually I was at a workshop

last weekend and one of the things that
got brought up was a real concern that

amongst a group of M.F.A. that they were
going to have to go back and get Ph D.'s

not because they wanted to get Ph D.'s but
because suddenly that was being claimed as

being the requirement for them to teach
right and that what does that mean to have

to cast everything suddenly as research
and what are we losing in the process.

I mean the really important question for
us to ask.

Actually our Ph D.

in the arts research for an article

in saying about me and never said
it was I knew it was in my knee.

Why isn't my answers in
the comments are man

people were mean to me understand
why I did he says was just research.

I didn't mean anything.

I was looking at software forms is this
and this is so this is what home terms.

Now you know the names that he made
sometimes there are reasons sometimes

there's just sometimes a mole this
is always or sometimes I won't tell

a little research and some we shouldn't
be you know this is wrong and

you're researching how people do this so
I think you know it's in the middle.

I want to get my hands and I don't need
you just saying I'm doing research

means I'm doing research in your
country practicing things and

teaching to do my I feel a certain artist
as you know most of us use my REAL.

To let me say the reason he very well.

So every response was yes of course
everything that I do is heavenly

these are serious and
then I thought about it and

the educational me you were there
in this room it was an earlier on.

Hip hop or nixing with code.

There's there's a there's a there's
a learning component to it or

any sense is more intuitive of about
asking questions about how to gauge

computer science students are having
a good minorities in your science but

the majority the vast majority
that we're going to do

is not what I would call research
it's all building a curriculum.

It's building software to apply that
to it's building the whole website so

out of students to share the work
that they're doing every now and

it's all about to build something
that can be actually be used and

then by doing that they hope
to begin actually answers.

So some of these learning science
questions about about a good many

of your science and creative practices but

the idea of this is one thing I recall
here that we don't have the spotlight on

everything and
there's definitely a mixture of that.

So I think this is just one of those words
that means something different to me to

consider people and it's kind of to
Carl's point that I rely on partly as

an aspect of research it has on research
products have nothing to design them and

research further use you know doing
one side of things these I think lead

over to somebody who's I don't know
sitting in a cell biology lab but yet

research needs different
things everywhere and

I think that ultimately it's a label and
it doesn't really matter.

I really don't know that legal or not or

what you're doing nothing
makes sense right.

So I had some training already going in
that case and I was back in the radical

math so it really matter how you grew
during the era as long as you're.

As it has all of what we strive
call it research or not whether

or not writing on typewriters.

As long as what we're
doing makes sense that

I guess there's a little problem.

So I'm posting from there as well

as my reason why it's a very

hard writing laboratory.

So it's really important that we are doing

research from us a century.

This is a research
project as soon as I know

you know terminologies by itself or

you really do that if I see that.

Yes I think there's a real
research that legitimize some

area that I think we'll

hear about yeah I think he's a great.