So and how we use them and then things.

So Karen who was here in my
interactive television crew and

went on to where first in and back on and
your current traveling is going to

Burning Man and going back to Turner
can't you know it's like summer

and yet crowd has had a beer
York as an artist this time

to get ice cream and
doing wall installation and tractor.

And I have told them Barry
is also now in Turner.

I've heard him here for
a little boring and

he said his wife didn't want to
live in Atlanta and they did it

because it was when I knew you were a New
Englander and now you're working with

Casey was sitting here talking merging
technology merging technology building

prototypes with the new
applications across through roster

and formally her first Emad it's
right leading me into health

and then I kept leasing Grace who found
their professional partnership here

and in the program and
have a company rival industry and

you can be showing stuff
during the lunch break.

Right.
You know you've got the book so

now I'm going to ask.

And so let me also reflect for

a moment before we begin
on the efforts we need.

In Rita signing the mantras
program we wanted

to make something that did not
have a horse named director

but that would give people
the principles to work over

their careers in a field where we knew
that the platforms were going to change

and there were two things that we
did that were really crucial to

healing that we had purchased and
what the program should be

One was that we looked at the next
steps and he said these have to

be central to their experience and
we had to decide as a group.

What made it ministers project and
people have to stand up and

defend them in public when they meet and

where I whole arc of the program
is that our students

do not necessarily joining
an existing project and

they never join a project and
then just do the usability.

Danny on it the way one often does and
A.C.I. ministers program but

they conceive of a project and
carry it out themselves and

then they kept the resource of
their own high level of skill.

I was very diverse skills in the program
to make that project and then

the other thing that we did was that
we made this introductory course

whole computer as an expressive medium and

I think that that has always been a
touchstone for us and then doing just what

it was that we were doing in this and
we'd always had.

A lot has been imperialist been
a lot of change in the job title

that our students to have.

And it was what we service is what are
the job titles you know is it information

architect is it creates there is it
interaction design variance designer but

one thing that's been a constant has been

the idea long and network and
the support of the alumni network.

So OK with that as a practice.

I want to ask you each what you
remember of your time in program.

So what I remember most of the program is
actually the very first thing I noticed

about it which is truly the diversity and
interdisciplinary which are there.

I remember walking into our
orientation and here I was coming

from an English literature background and
I had taught myself web design and

web development and there was a philosophy
major There are engineers of every kind.

There is a school teacher
advertising copywriter chemist and

it was just this one where we are a mix
of people and truly when you put together

that many people who are genuinely excited
and curious about the world and you and

the seller told you that we have it really
amazing things amazing things can happen

and that to me was the most valuable part
of the program to do this it really opened

my eyes as far as seeing that everything
in the world is connected and truly so

much innovation comes out of throwing
people like that in a room together

a lot of the conference I go to for work.

Now the big ideas conferences like
Potteiger time or Aspen Ideas Festival.

They're replicating that exact
same idea right by bringing

people who are passionate from every field
team and together and see what happens and

we were you know realize how lucky
we were to be in that environment.

Every single day.

So a couple of concrete examples I.

Really remember last night to politics and
media.

It was with Diana Milo who
sadly doesn't teach anymore but

I don't remember that I you know got it.

Anyway And we had to acknowledge it for
the period of a story telling a narrative

and so we ended up coming up
with a project that told stories

that were location based so you know for
example if you were in a location.

You were there for
a reason you had a story to tell and

other people who were there or you heard
their stories or if you think about it.

Different Place a story
to tell you know what.

How would it.

How would you answer
the stories of how ejector So

the idea of love this makes our time.

Now don't you know seven or eight years
later and certainly I mean that you know.

Journalism things I've seen a lot of it
was a lot of back then it was a pretty new

idea and was feasible because we had
people who could complete every part of

the project make it in and

out of a small group of us got a grant
from the city of Atlanta to install it and

we don't part and then a couple
years later our repricing idea and

got a much larger grant in the form of
the nation to install all of the Lantus So

that was something that can
directly out of course I did and

then of course Jenna's E.T.V. a lot of
which I spent the majority of my time and

focused on I did my master's thesis and
television and

in a lot of ways that plays me you
know tragically and indirectly.

It made me an expert Turner for
a number of years because I had spent so

much time thinking about
best practices for

interactive television
what was happening abroad.

You know great examples from the U.K.
and Australia and kind of the design

was also much Honor's it worked really
well for and for years and years.

You know and

it still isn't something that's really
truly arrived for lots of reasons.

When you have that certainly as I
turn Irving and television company.

It's a topic that comes up all.

Or Never again and it's something that
really made me an ex for a lot of ways

any great before and then more
importantly I think in the right way and

positioned me as someone who was really
passionate thinking about each other and

innovation and being in a role now
that didn't exist until I came in

here with something like that and
you were present when

the project manager here right here in
the thing that made you say you're right.

Yes yes yes yes.

So one of the things I remember the most
being a professor not myself not to repeat

what's already been said but
the mixture of the theory of practice and

every class especially my commentates
with teaching the computer

is an expressive medium class
that's been mentioned and

this is very you know really
important stuff squeezing that and

a lot of coding skills into one
semester is a really tough task and

this is true that I could still use to
this day like in my everyday work and

then two projects that
particular stand out in my mind.

Not because they were quite
as successful as Karen's and

got grants to stuff it because they really
taught me a lot with the first one was in

my command tases interactive
fiction class and

our task was to take the Neverwinter
Nights game engine some of you might be

familiar with the then and you know use
it to do tell an interactive story and

what we ended up doing was we
didn't like that we were limited to

the sort of medieval environment that
the Neverwinter Nights is based.

And so instead we made it based on
a renaissance fair and how to be this

totally modern story about this guy who
gets down to the Renaissance Fair and

how he can either avoid that or
steer into it and I guess I just got me

thinking about how do you know
the limitations of certain media and

how you and therefore this is and
how you can kind of steer around them.

So I really like that project and
then in DNS class where

we took classic poetry and
translate it into games

which brings up a really interesting
course ideas even so when that we never

would have come up with that never winter
nights idea if it weren't for that kind of

structure this class never would have
written a game about because keep homes.

I know which was both violent and
raunchy and

all the great things about the cascade So
yeah and

both of those cases
also I worked with too.

To my classmates and really got a feel for
what it's like to collaborate on these

kind of interactive projects is
the other thing that was very valuable

and a lot of what I want to
say has already been said but

I'll focus on some of the others
salient points of the of the program.

I was always very much a tools person so
Photoshop Illustrator director

and so when I came to the program really
wasn't sure how to make things with them.

I knew how to use them.

I knew how to teach them and
I remember that you know one of the first

classes where you go around and
you say who you are what you are being so

impressed with the caliber of students and
their previous accomplishments and

I had read blogs from people who were
in the program and faculty members and

university and writers and
artists and just

the the degree to which people would
share their own passion their own skill.

So that I felt what I
brought also had weight and

and importance to the rest of the program.

I think one

of the key aspects of the program is
that the first year is very much.

The sixth thing.

And sieve.

So much you're taking in so
much you're kind of going.

You're going very wide in
the course load that you take and

then you do that very critical internship.

That was really the the the key moment for
me in my career

I went to Boston and I did an internship
with Bright Cove and what it showed

me was that I really need to
define what it is I wanted to do

I spent the first year sort of exploring
and then you got that halfway point.

And so
that the second year was really hard.

Now I'm going to refine I remember one
of the first interviews I went on to

the person that I interviewed said
What is the you want to do and

I didn't really have a good answer.

I wanted to design or
create experiences and so

that in turn chip really helped
me focus health meat on Define

also the the ability or the the
experiences that we had in the T.V.

lab working with industry folks
where you got to see you know.

Great minds like Dale Harris sad.

Some of the amazing creative
directors at design agencies to show

their thought process and
even practical things like how do you

communicate in a way that is
the sayings and clear and and

communicative to sell an idea
that's us but it's kind of

a skill you don't learn unless you're
actually in in the process of doing it for

where there are real deliverables and
not tangible results required so that.

So the project that we did with
Cartoon Network and then ten again

where it was really like eyeopening for
me and I think it was good I mention this.

It's like OK you have these
you have this controller and

you have this content but
how does the interaction add some meaning.

To the game itself or to the OR
to the viewing experience itself.

And so those are kind of the key
moments in the two years that I said

OK so I came to Georgia Tech with
a pretty strong design background.

I had been doing graphic design
professionally for six or

seven years of the time and
you know back in the late ninety's

early two thousand people were throwing
words like media convergence around and

nobody really knew what that man you know

back then he was like who is
an interactive CD Wow play.

But I was just really really interested
in pushing myself beyond print and

when I got here say I was kind
of surprised to be here but

in addition to the cultural diversity.

I felt like the group
my group was probably

usually the most intelligent group
of people I'd ever had the you know

the chance to work with and
that was great and the program.

I guess it's the single most positive
thing I said skipping ahead but

the most positive thing
that came out of it for

me was I was very process oriented and
you know my work was about all of

pushing pixels late into the night and
not doing a lot of talking so

little being around a lot of
theorists really pushed me to start

thinking critically about what I was doing
and that that made a big difference for

me and
very well being at the end of the line.

Everybody's kind of still running
from the target but that car.

It was the one of the more defining
moments of discovery of who my classmates

were in the writing of industry is
that everybody brought to the program.

I was pretty focused when I came
on the program on animation.

I know has been kind of the stuff artists
who was building components to go indie

games are part of interactive media but
probably the most

one of the most useful things I remember
about her film was getting that exposure

to other disciplines and learning from
all the folks from other industries and

their different perspectives really
kind of opened or horizons in terms

of how we saw how to handle the other
possibilities of what you do with it.

How other groups in other
industries would do

similar things but would get to totally
different ideas or perspectives from

I think that we have I like to think that
Geoff and I kind of push forward our

own interests on the program we'll still
be involved because we were interested

in virtual space and we wanted to see
who are more things talked about or

the more theory could be brought over
our first year talking to Michael Moore

like with years and
later on when he joined

I think we got a lot out of those
discussions of space down this.

Let's talk to you.

There's a lot we gained a lot out of that
even though I came to the program with

a lot of professional experience there
was it was good to gain a lot or

go from the experience of others
that was probably the most

wonderful thing that I got and
I remember I used to say to people

regularly the fairest way people would
come to me and say I don't belong here.

That and I think no no no you're saying to
this person that you're a programmer on

this case is the degree aren't they do
you each have your out of state their so.

And clearly people there are probably
more than one in that they're better

than from back at least as
much as the faculty were

great to you because if you could I think
a lot of us had different ideas about

maybe we could come to the program with
things that were requested in the old maid

who were just coming pretty open looking
for work up communities in the world but

if you had a particular interest or
something that you wanted to

see more of I think the faculty
especially Diane even before I started

would drag me around to meet
faculty from other partner.

It's starrer to live with you.

Ski and eventually went to work
part time probably at school

of architecture good visualization
that was for me I didn't feel like.

So in a way I could actually
I think he looks like but

we're like we are and
you guys did something good by and

we have really improved which
was a joint master project and

yes to those kind of interesting
men of the time I remember you guys

made it really difficult worth a damn long
they made us put everything down on paper

Grace is going to do this just going to do
that and I really resent I mean honestly I

resented it at the time because I was like
this was going to do this thing and but

then you know looking back on it now are
realise we're going to do when you were

just trying to make us clearly
defined the workload sort of that you

know we don't end up pulling each other's
hair out or whatever fighting over it or

not to carry my load
talking about whatever so.

So that was it was a stressful
little thing part of it but

I guess it was no free will and you don't
need that kind of discipline down and

you will know if I hear that every man
that upstanding leverage in their company

here will be and is still struggle with
they were still defining boundaries for

her and for going over the bridge.

Those are part of the process.

Yeah well I know you said that you set
the example that then other people could

be proved to do that.

Have there ever been.

I find I don't think did I think
they're mad then one unsuccessful

read that I don't think that but
perhaps hearing that you're here.

Your experience inspired the next.

So out.

Let me ask you what and
some of you very touched on it maybe

briefly what what you took
away from the program.

Can I.

So did not work.

Certainly and we always joked that I'm
just curious the best thing they got out

of the program with each other.

Heading and meeting and
you know our friends and

colleagues that we've stayed
in touch with are the years.

Certainly there's a an amazing night
when I go along my own little world and

particularly for
those of us who've stayed with him and

how we kind of advice each other.

Career over the years.

That's been really valuable.

I would say something really valuable I
took out of the program as a result of

the forces that we hired was I
learned it translated shooting

an ability to speak the language of a lot
of different kinds of people so and

the street has laid it to me being able to
talk to designers talk to developers and

project managers to get hers and
that's something that's right.

Played out in my experience programming
that we turn to an industry

being able to communicate across all
of those different silo disciplines.

So actually and
really really important and

valuable something else I
would say is that it has.

This that we got presenting never you and
I going and

going to and as a marriage thing
it is as it is to remember

myself presenting some of my crazy ideas a
demo day and how completely not feasible.

They were hurt.

But I think that you know being in
the street you often have to cosign

kind of that sell through Nadya's
you're passionate about having got

this from seven days and you know I was.

That was really really valuable and
again just the sound so

truly understanding that innovation
comes from very unexpected sources.

I want people who are experts field
that you wouldn't even think of said for

example most people I would say
in street don't realize that

there are these things happening at
the intersection of like action and

technology right or design and biology
when you bring that back to the workplace.

It really is an eye opening in
a lot of ways I think that a lot

of the hallway conversations we had
hoped we were here houses we were in and

then those are things that you know
types of conversations we had and

things we were exposed to those are things
that we sort of easily took for

granted in this world that in this
year are actually kind of young so

this is kind of specific but one things
that really sticks with me to this

day that again has to do with the emphasis
on theory not so much theory but

that of a grounding in the history of the
medium so from our bush to Xerox PARC to

Nelson temporarily all this understanding
the kind of personalities and decisions

that went into the technologies that we
kind of take for granted these days and

how most arbitrary a lot of the decisions
were that got us to the person we are and

I think that helped me help me

realize that this is some of
the completely Mel the boy and

nothing is precious and technology
that everything should be broken and.

ACT and question think is something
that's really important to me and

I'm proud of this right now the I would
I would really reiterate with what

both Karen just said in terms of
the processes that I took away from

the lab lab work in terms of the very very

much a lean not a lot of
documentation hacking.

But that ideas can come
from the craziest places

as long as you're willing to you know
stand up at a whiteboard and and

draw a map of it and
get people to critique them.

I've been in brainstorms where's you know
somebody you throw out some idea that

seems completely unfeasible but then
the next person you know grabs that idea.

It's been sit around and it becomes
you know the solution and that was

always happening in labs because of the
diversity of the people that were here.

I think the one of the classes that I took
a lot of weight from was the principles of

interaction design one of the first
projects that I had at schematic was

to design a widget which I had done so
that you know very practical skills

that I could you know immediately jump
into to an industry work environment

that was critical creative problem solving

that to to this day is really kind of
where my interest in the give away my last

chance are right and you know that the
nature of design thinking that you know

sometimes the solution is not you know the
immediate solution I have to back up and

look at it from the ten
thousand foot view.

Certainly that was that was a process
that I took of the program.

I think probably the strongest thing I got
out of the program was getting to work

with bunch of different and with that
all had different backgrounds and

sort of learning to understand
where they were coming from and

learning to understand how how to
interact with different different

types of people but
people who were very different spaces

and that's really helped me a lot.

I guess because been running a company for
six years and I really understand

you know sort of where every each and
every person is coming from on my team

that really

believe with what I've
got to throw Well here

it terms of simple current the calumnies
one of the most important things I got

out of here was Pete McGuire's class
of course I know that he's retired but

it was you thinking that it's not
really that all that interesting.

But the presentation of your ideas and
your concepts to other groups.

I think is so essential it's critical.

We discover that people
will give you money.

The best they can to be good right.

Unless they understand like what it is
a true presenting and if you can't present

your concepts and your ideas clearly and
effectively you get nothing.

You're not going to get anywhere.

And that's really the essence of what
we do now as a software designers and

as user experience designers is that if
we're not communicating ideas effectively

achieving what the objectives are limits
to learn specific things work or

just to understand a concept or
the currents or problems or

a complicated machinery even something as
simple as that you don't have the right.

Visuals and the right way of presenting
you know you're not going to get

over it and just but plus some proposals
really help the subtle was we've

written hundreds and hundreds of proposals
since the one that has stood world leaders

in the years you know we hear that
from alumni last hopefully that'll

Yeah well there's a bit less so
we do have incorporated more data to and

to do if I saw just a little
bit like presentation.

You know yes we hear that building here
is essentially giving the interaction.

I know the person you're playing for a
good learning how to make the right videos

the that actually reminded
me of something funny enough

I turned of the vision are all
going to turn to Media Group

one of our vision goals the CIRCE to
help everybody be more digital Exactly.

So they actually designed an entire course
that everybody in the division is required

to take.

That's like here along the very
first course they mine and

I sit down from N.Y.U. who did like
uncrushed to our course that was

the exact same class with Eugene powder.

Called history of digital media out there
not like I was before and it was so

valuable because I had a vision level they
wanted everybody around that knowledge to

be this really savvy and to be able to you
know be an expert in this conversation for

having a company you know like he
should've gotten the band's placement.

OK So I think I would now ask
you each to say I'm really

eager to hear what you're doing now and
would you yourself to be sure.

So right now.

I turn or I am heading out.

I grouped by the name of insights and
inspiration.

I missed really a trend
watching where I really mean

using job where I get to travel around and
me interesting people and really look out.

Foreign trials are cultural patterns
are new technologies Starbucks.

Anything really is an interesting
new opportunity for

Turner to kind of help create some
first market opportunities and

really inspire some innovation and
it's a great place to be his Turner has so

many and has the Koreans are all in one
day consulting with Cartoon Network

the next a C.N.N. And between all
of those amazing brands are always

you know an advocate who wants to
try something innovative and new and

lots of cars interesting conversations
to be had there before that I was a U.S.

designer at C.N.N. dot com for about
five years and in both of those roles.

You know going to us design a C.N.N. dot
com of us seven years ago I was the second

person like team it was kind of
a brand new thing with herself

really going to see action and then about
a year and a half ago coming into this

insights an inspirational role that
also didn't exist until I came into it.

I think by being part of the coming out of
position all media career really plays me

to be very comfortable into going into
roles that are brand new and created and

I'm perfectly fine and comfortable not
having any idea where I'm going next.

Or my next role and whether I have
a chance to lead to somewhere.

That's actually really exciting.

I think the program for me really well and

I think you know as far as being
passionate about innovation future I think

it's very important for
industry to have strong ties to program.

This one and

I'm actually really high because we had
a few colleagues of mine from Turner here.

So right now.

I kind of we're three Have I mentioned
before I currently teach at Parsons for

an outreach cause called Code fried which
someone else mentioned I use a home a lot

like the models of what I experienced
it was called the time I did.

T. I still want to call it that.

So I teach that and I'm excited.

I'm about to teach on the course going.

Kuma in code about writing
funny software and

my second had is as a at it.

My rolls are sort of starting to
come together in different ways but

as an artist I do
installations that museums and

do a lot of grant applying
applications always

find some things some of them up there and

write different kind of software
games sometimes websites that usually

in the form of soup either satire or
a parody of some of some sort and

really trying to take a critical look
at how we interact with software and

then the my commercial work which
right now there's a lot of demand for

interactive walls I've been saying this
a lot but people seem to want to get

interactive walls of a very high and

also a turd and
recall emerging technology.

It's a small or indeed group I
lead a design team of one and

hopefully that will grow but I we said

six to eighteen months out ahead of
all of the different Turner brands

brands will come to us with with ideas or
things that they want to try out or

just as Karen mentioned kind of those
hallway conversations some interesting

ideas of the motherboard Karen's list will
come across some say you know we have

a prototype a game or
a mobile application a Facebook app so

we will our group our engineers will
do that development I'll do the U.I.

and then we'll take those learnings
successes or failures back to the brands.

Hopefully to save them time and
money but then I also.

I have been working on a budget
a Series A ongoing kind

of best practices in user experience and
I'm still very much interested in process.

So bringing in speakers bring in some of
the best designers in the industry to

work with our groups across
Turner to do problem solving and

then hopefully full those into things
that actually become products.

So it's a it's a exciting role I'd

like Aaron to go to a lot of conferences
and kind of see what is emerging.

So we have kind of a hardware
software group and then I'm more and

they the process of merging processes and
user experience.

So I guess pretty much
straight out of school.

Grayson I kind of Powell and
decided to start a company against

all law it's really managed to
build a nice little company for

ourselves we started out
doing visualization work for

architecture and industry and
then round about eight you know.

Architecture tank all over Britain went

away immediately and luckily you
know we've got it already do it.

Tell of the weight of your news from you.

I work for local Well there was me.

But we were able to transition here.

You know we were able to
transition from this was Asian to

doing interactive television
work pretty easily

include we now we're kind of coming
back around where we were in court.

Rating.

Our three D. experience with our
allocation of open experience and

words shifting over from a services based
company to your product based company.

We have a couple of products that we're
working on in-house that involves

the medical industry and
medical visualization for

doctors to express particular points of
interest to their patients things like

education was I guess we're looking
more at developing a patient and

doctor oriented something to go the next

few years we're seeing a lot
of interest in tablets.

That's a space that we've recently
recently gotten more ball

but ultimately I guess
the books will sell come back.

Really the go back into them and
continue to use Track down there.

So I'd People really
reinforce things that we

we think that we were doing just
that particularly to train you to

take leadership positions
in inventing the medium and

getting people these immediate
skill encouraging collaboration

carrying good presentation skills and
having the design in Illinois that

are good crowds that sign
thinking that the history.

I had then had he weighed at least one
new thing we should be doing which is

interactive was the man who did
the big the next thing in the plague.

Allison thanks for the ninety minutes.

It's really I guess I'm interested in
looking at how code can be used that as

a as a medium for
you know critical discourse I guess

some of the like Cory Archangel Or
heaven Ross do a lot of work but

I'm interested in the Concord game
I think it's a great example.

I don't honestly if I
have the syllabus for but

I it's not for another semester yet
so I have a lot of planning to do.

Well you know he did twelve point gain and
then it tells me that I don't know that

I'm going to have it all does
that injured but he had to.

Yes Yes Because I think my career has and

starting here that at the Digital Media
program is the requirement for

somebody to stand up and start drawing is
so important and people sitting at desks

and you know that typical brainstorm where
it's like people are throwing out ideas I

think it's so important to document
them because that physical you know

process of writing embracing
documenting there's a great book.

Dave great looking storming and he talks
a lot about you know the the importance

of the physical illness of drawing and
sketching So

that's really been my specialty or
my focus

and I think that my lady.

Whereas you had you know
the Reagan legacy in the lead

there right then leave you
know to be playing and

reading from some of you well.

If you.