[00:00:00] >> The story. As to what transpired. There. You. Grew up in Burbank. Figure the rest of it all thank you place things. Where were you when your children used to leave to go. To God for hours on end I sent them to one bank for food who let go of it. [00:01:08] It was the only solution left. Where the children know that because not in America OK. The two are now in a high school not. Free. To praise be unto God Father so you. Know I don't want to have them caught up in. You know. If you are kind of you know I'm brothers Yes Who said I am both and it was not set up for me yeah it was sort of thing you got a bird I walked into an ambush I was already set and sky became a victim a lot of kids that was Prince Jones and in the. [00:01:55] Train just single were in you know part of the of that of yeah. They were there and if we didn't know when to look for man you had to survive. How did you get out of. Here. But of that era I was a kind of a talk. Between just had a chance to the group I typed up at that position. [00:02:22] And if I took us. To succumb some of the deposition and move follow we had to be set free. And I was an intervention by but I believe. In whose custody you would. Know when I put into any custody what tied up their life it was just a thing that occurred we got we're tied up a few minutes occurred they got another talk where I actually and I would try who was in control of. [00:02:58] Princeton's movement George and so N.P.R. fellows came to a time just of the group Yes And yeah N.P.R. Yeah. OK Thank you. Thank you welcome Sir thanks. For the kind thank you thanks very much to. See your father was living in a couple of By-Passed area yeah. You haven't read on the bypass called Friday by the guy following Friday. [00:03:51] Falling falling. Fall is in reality. He happens. Very. Not actually the brand of a cause. That you know you were in the rubble. Incident his credit is OK in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety I want to believe. So one more thing. What was the extent of prisoners is controlling rather. [00:04:28] Fighting rather than he control at the time economic campers Djoser control. The territory how far house. Car junction canoe goods armed while our courts are some pretty even to do in the presence of echo more police Johnson Control or spirits. Yes better than them in the Brotherhood here in a Brevard preserve control every year for the whole brother of the entire group of prior to the coming of echo and even with the presence of the common economic simply. [00:05:01] Maintain buffer zones. But they couldn't go into. The US sketch. Of where they were and so where persons was limited. The rebels took control. Yes this. Insight got for a long time but in one thousand nine hundred I. When they're on the hotel Africa area bridges with the cultural Yes and information I had at the moment deny everything yes information that I had with that so I thought that was controlling brother. [00:05:44] You've given you insight the part of grove that I chanced to the group control beyond I think Simplot bridge this in call. It was part of. The Hundred. Institute. Yes does just. That to do with us. Because that's what I'm saying and. That's like it was in control like your presence in prisons in high like here but beyond redemption. [00:06:32] Ever given to the good the already beyond Rick Spin City all the way all the way. Up to be a member My met document time. OK mentor. Charles Taylor Yes but they have a kind of the connection so you could have just had a good right here just right about a simple and it was brought a way to him. [00:06:59] So it was not a thing that they have or unique setting the there behind him seven a kind of v movement. So with the commander in that period of time. To come and you know I don't know I don't know I don't want to come out. What kind of atrocities are you with this in that you know. [00:07:23] One of the things that I witnessed. Was that I couldn't leave the house but one time I decided I lasted too long in an echo more are you relieved. Provided the necessary I secured a current to Manderley And so I decide to leave the house while from Brazil on a when do I market so I was going to bought a lot of stuff the kind of fish and. [00:07:55] The problem of fish to how to market out our. Market. Because I want to fish I used to like. Go out a way to get back a. And I went all the way and then I met a friend while working. Got some fish and got some of our friends and we decide to go back to Brazil. [00:08:19] Right on the bridge. I think simple because the bridge that divides. A lot from moving into Virginia. That's important Shockey. They're. The fighters from Prince Johnson. Wedges hidden folks with a gun. Beating a whole lot of folks and. The superintendent one of the superintendents of the other Pentecostal churches. [00:08:54] I rarely carry memories. But I can describe him fart what good will tall right. Do you sir the gentleman what is it that you guys who say that you have come to liberate the people. I've been what you doing. It is not good stop doing that so I am of the opinion. [00:09:24] That has he saw them. Yet And folks you know there's a villain beating them with their guns and what have you. He was walking along with his wife and then he was just a part of a little group that. They were coming to hear again and then so he had on to the gun and he said no don't do that has no means of advice and you know trying to come in to negotiate. [00:09:57] Right by our own. Reconnaissance man is yeah whatever tension this May He's our enemy. If that of fighting here another suicide if I can what I've done so much and gotten him on his bike to send for reinforcement. His wife will stand by my side even though his wife thought well I knew him because by the right two at a time that. [00:10:23] I was a member of article the creative critter provided books on the little things and since other times I went to the ministry of education after reading for non governmental programs I was then a memo automatically of that body. And so I saw she had it with him but rather limited level. [00:10:46] And so I sort of more thing happening talk him and more than twenty five soldiers. Opened fire. On him have a same time. And all that we saw has withstood the. Same A lifeless body over and over the bridge into the simple river. He said his wife when that happened his wife. [00:11:16] Immediately. Almost went crazy. I didn't want to even stand by her for a second. You guys know what would have happened to me I left because there was nothing what in manpower I could have done I just walked out in fact I went to New. Slept. In New could. [00:11:44] That evening I didn't go back because when that happened they prevented civilians from going across the bridge. And I want to. Know but anyone who knows. He's from low for anyone who knows about a superintendent. But with the in the penny cost to charges who was missing or is not cannot be accounted for I think we'll be able to. [00:12:18] Address the situation that then finally. You. Know yes yes yes and so that's how he died I don't know one buildings to be administered occasion he was the C.E.O. chief education officer for most around a county I think he might know him because we were all close together the two of them are close together I really don't know his name. [00:12:45] Parents Bill Harris will barely know him because he and Bill were always together because our bill at the time was C.E.O.. Contrary cation officer for the schools. You mention that when you walk to and which In Session you were tight and then shooting broke out yes I did you know eat a bit we were tied not tied to the extent that we couldn't have ourselves look up OK. [00:13:21] Were tired they were about to go I had had my son they had been tight but it was a thing that I could just lose and if you are in a desperate situation. You have desperate means of getting things done. And so how do I was tied but I was told to go and Michael's children were also there are hard to do some of the on tired manservant have been told go to let go month seventy kids and so up there was a thing that I just forced out and actually read to explain certain things beyond explanation. [00:14:00] I hear something a time. One was the time does one have years. And I was just too slow to do two plus months. And we were aimed. And that's why when short. And only while you were with it you. See presenting. If you had a good brain stones in front of me I don't know and no I prove I did everything I could to steal. [00:14:35] Rather than up to us not just in the United States I think but I time was a thing and I too. Yes I am sure of it. What was here he was like. That. Gunshots ring. On the houses like to say Are you hot under those coming from all over America remember in the evening you can see them you can see you can see bullets flying past us has to sit by us were moving in color. [00:15:16] And leave our horns. That rattle with bullets. All we could do was to go down on the floor slip beneath the fellows I don't know how to even say but all your face on the floor crawled out of both in order to be said it was not an easy time. [00:15:41] It was not an easy thing we experience. Besides the killing this. This with and this past year did you witness any. Atrocity no having seen yet. After that incident. It's such a traumatic incident impact on your kids. That your. Kind. I first reaction yes traumatized. That was shot and I. [00:16:23] Shake. Stop them. And so when I get. A lot of what was done. We have to go to our lives I time I was I'd have a school. We've tried to get. Health care for them and they went to the heart of necessary health care and I want to. [00:16:50] But even though the heart of. It is yet a problem I have not actually overcome. So. You see your brother was killed he said yes. This talking with the. Way here people who went into Iraq. Don't want informed us. They didn't say he was killed but he was tied up. [00:17:20] Like you know placed in the cane on a sawmill River see that. And allowed a lot of the kingdom to go on see that river if anyone here has. If you've been the Son of Sam the river we have here is a sign OK you know salmon river and you know the current of that was river and they were supposed to go and since then. [00:17:46] You never heard from him and this is with this report was in charge of the. Of the group that did that and. Try to identify. Took on. Much some names but and some faces but you might. Not know this was which he had. Before nine thousand nine hundred. [00:18:13] Before night and. He was on the inside when. He went in to be. OK And he was on a travel line at the same time I acquired the information he didn't want to get involved in being a fighter and what have you I really can say OK I really can see and. [00:18:39] That's what he does. And I want us to go through it on every day even though she is with me. Where I live and. I have to just keep on talking every day and I don't see how my don't know she was in Calcutta. OK thank you very much. [00:19:16] Yes You're welcome thank you. For your. Children. To one and a half two years plus you know we just got him down but. You know. The model is fun. The mother is fun and because of whole life today. She became the bread winner she used to go out. [00:19:58] When it was time to look for food look for food she became a businesswoman in fight she would go to keep mum about my modest. She would go to a kept man and buy from back get some food stuffs. Coming up at a dollar market. And after what I would be done to live what she had to have to go. [00:20:22] She had to go through a lot she went through a lot she went through a lot. To how I was where we are today. If it had not been for. I want to be where I am today. I would have died. Because I couldn't get out and look for food any longer when that happened I decide to steal away in fact the trees were gone there were no more trees with plums the trees that were there for folks went to be went to work I mean a whole lot of them. [00:20:56] On telecom came and then on tell the press where the presence of. The relief. Set of. Relief OK And let me come says a very fresh day I got out of banks like I don't. That. A lot of. How much. I don't know what. I read it I can tell anyone what happened. [00:21:39] With my. Brother brought about how blood pressure. Then heart. She says she has more than six medications. That she has to take every day. Now. I don't like to have to talk about it she talks. But I try to. Give her a chance to talk about it the more I have to deal with. [00:22:59] It and when we sit down. She talks about. COM she's going to counseling. She's going through a lot but you're talking about a mother. And daughter that once I'm talking about happened to be my wallet. And all. So I'm the one she looks up to and so. I don't lead to you trying to go to. [00:23:39] The government she begins to good for me I go then I have to come and deal with. It. Even though she's gone to counseling. It is a problem. If she. Had children A lot. And I live my life. You know somewhat killed as I said song got me some. [00:24:11] Found. Relatives friends. Also. Some got on board a ship got drunk. Running to gun me running to Nigeria. You know what. Thanks. So. Much.