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>> Well hi everybody thank you for attending our 2nd virtual salmon are this Costa master really excited to have awesome panel for you guys a really interesting discussion robots and we have some some great panels for you from around the Georgia Tech campus and I think this is going to be a very interesting and I opening discussion so I wanted to just think that Allen was and are organized that she's going to be writing most of this but I just wanted to get the introduction so she organized this virtual seminar and I also wanted to go over what our plans are for participation so just like last time we purge the audience or participate really you know have some fun things to say about these topics it is Star Wars but I expect lots of comments so questions can be put up in the q. and a future please you that you have a teacher and when you are both them if they get enough votes then I will be the one who relays that question to our panel and then they will address a question hopefully in an exciting funny way and so with that I'm going to head over to them now who's going to lead this opposition Thank you no thanks I mean I think thanks for the introduction so I started sort of introduction else I've had no.

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World is one of the things that I see when he look into the scandalous well is that I did it with the times and join the dark side just like everyone else. Will hope that everything goes well such a chase can all. Over going to deals are going to cover a couple of different topics in question we have some pre-planned questions but if you have questions if you don't read.

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I'll start off with an easy one then we'll go through part of through everyone and at all all the still you know many simple question What is your favorite Star Wars movie and there are we're not going to judge anyone here so I'll start my statements I was with is actually.

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One I was actually mistaken in not when I was a child and you know there was a big influence and there was a lot of hype about it as. We so much like to know that it's funny I think everyone always loves the Star Wars movie that they 1st saw and I'm fortunate that I got to see at the sun for what it was in the theaters in 77 as a very small child and it absolutely rocked my world I wanted Han Solo's they said I want to have the sky walkers lightsaber and I certainly wanted princes land political power and her fabulous fashion and then now I have to say that episode 4 is now tied for me with the last 2 movies with the last generation rises kind Walker because the reality is Ray gets all those things I always wanted is a can't and I think go right.

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I mean do you want to go next my favorite is rogue one I think you know spoiler alert Ok so if the in the movie the protagonist you think succeeds but it's like really sad because everyone's going to die you're like my gosh that's so sad but full of the sacrifice they made and then all the sudden just to be a Darth Vader's comes and messes everyone up it was just like that the swing in the emotion and just the raw awesomeness of that last scene of Darth Vader coming after the rebels just left me feeling like My gosh that was the most impactful I've ever impacted I have felt from Star Wars.

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It's not you out there and you want to let your favorite stars. You know I think my favorite is The Empire Strikes Back. I guess I don't know I think it's the one that resonates with me not just to have. It just as such in my opinion cool part.

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Is you know I traded in the city hard to guide the hof Austereo but I just thought it was 3rd consistently through the whole movie and. I mean would you like to go next tour so I get to be part of the family. Are all going to go with.

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I was good episode 4 but these aren't that good but I'll just do it anyway the favorite episode or have odds and it had dog fighting which you know I'm a baby aviation guy who had dogfighting I'm not sure how God works in a vacuum but it's pretty cool and you also have God for arguing with the computer and do it on thick and you see that a lot in aviation and so yeah for me that was my favorite part about the 1st one I saw I thought much later in the ninety's the personal people I think everyone if.

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Anyone in the audience test favorites that's enough of each other in the q. and a. So what else do you. Go to the next line The 1st thing they want to talk about today is sort of what what science fiction look like a forced hours and how it starts in an impasse generally So if you want to talk a little bit of.

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Yeah I think one of the things that it's really hard for us to remember is especially if you weren't a full grown adult in the seventy's when you saw this movie is that the 1st movie Star Wars This is the 1st time that a lot of Americans and frankly a lot of people around the world were really seeing the major tropes and themes of science fiction on a big screen and this isn't to say there wasn't science fiction before of course there were science fiction movies but they really didn't have that central part of the American imagination and Hollywood wasn't particularly invested in doing big budget science fiction films up prior to the 1970 s. there are a few here and there but not that many mostly you have b. films and so really or you were watching things like Star Trek on television and people thought big science fiction movies that people really would have had access to prior to Star Wars or at least within that and 15 year period would have been 2001 a Space Odyssey and Barbarella and Knight Those are both awesome movies and if you've never seen them you must see them both but the reality is neither of them are really represent the sort of main and central ideas of science fiction 2001 is very often car very abstract very much part of a new way of cinema making a new way of science fiction it's very quiet and a very weird.

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Very alien in some way Barbro is the exact opposite it's very few men very saucy you know it's basically a soft porn movie and it's very much about humans to ality in space just happens to be the kind of cool that So one of the things that I'm always find really striking when I talk with science fiction reader saw the Star Wars movies in the 1970 s. is that this is the 1st time they were seeing the things that they had helped create the concept of hyperspace the idea of artificial satellites even the idea.

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Cyborgs and enjoyed up on the big screen in a way that really was true to the history of science fiction and that's when the idea was really exciting for people and it was also exciting for people because even if you were into science fiction there were other ways you could get into it Joseph Campbell's hero of a 1000 Faces was a huge huge influence for George Lucas when he was doing this and this is a time when people were really starting to rethink the dollar Gee and wondering how is modern men and women we might fit into you know historic cycles of myth and Star Wars really seemed to show as a way that we could slug ourselves into these stories that happened both long ago and in the world of tomorrow both here on Earth than in places far away is yeah all right let me just show the video if you want to the next slide what we did want to show the video they'll be great Ok let me see if I can get.

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Star Wars follows the outline of the monument which consists of stages like the call to adventure supernaturally the belly of the whale the road of trials the meeting with the Goddess and a bunch more Also huge influences with a Flash Gordon serials from the thirty's and Japanese director a curator of sour stars plays much like an updated version of Flash Gordon right down to the soft wipes and the opening titles and so on from curaçao we get masters of spiritual martial arts a low ranking bickering duo more soft waves a beneath the floorboards hideaway and a boastful baddie getting his arm chopped off but he much energy neatly just what yourself we wanted did I have that Yes Well Sister.

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War films and westerns were also huge sources for Star Wars the scene where Luke discover Sr lot of family resembles this scene from the searchers. And the scene where Han Solo she. Resembles this scene from The Good The Bad and The Ugly and. It was. The climactic air strikes in the Dambusters 633 squadron and the bridges that took over replay very similarly to the run in the Death Star and in many cases existing shots were even used as templates for Star Wars special effects.

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Yes going to say I mean that's a great clip and I think one of the things that's really key here and that is it. Underscores the point I'm making is that given that many viewers didn't really know yet how to watch science fiction in a way that we're all very familiar now it makes sense that Lucas was going to draw on so many other kinds of films that people would have had familiarity with that's one of the ways you build consensus for that kind of world so in addition right so he's drawing are not sure it's always films he's drawing on Flash Gordon and he's also drawing on one of the all the oldest science fiction films out there and that's Metropolis so it's the oldest full length science fiction film rather right so this is from the 1927 and what you see is 2 of the main tropes in science fiction come from Metropolis and Lucas really picks them up and runs with them and starts the 1st thing you have of course is the fist of Jim Wright and that is to do it always signals that mad scientist mad engineer or someone who somehow has gone wrong and lost sight of the fact that there's going to be working for the good of society and that sort of loss of connection to humanity is signaled by the loss of the hands right and it's interesting so you can see that with rot Lange from he's the evil scientist in big trouble as up in the corner and then it's no mistake that you often see Darth Vader in a very very similar pose I think one thing that's interesting is by the time we see Luke giving us the fist of Doom he's actually taking the gloves off and showing us the bones what's underneath the fist of Jim and I think that's important because at that point Luke insult is just in wishing himself from that line of mad scientist amat engineers right.

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The other thing you get is an interesting rewriting of Metropolis Metropolis was the 1st film to give us the modern iconography for the wayward robot of the rampaging robot right and that robot here is they She's called the evil Rhea sometimes she's are supposed to be a doppelganger to a good character in the film whose name is Maria what's interesting of course is the evil Maria's all metallic and sexy and beautiful and dangerous what she becomes of course in Star Wars is the exact opposite she's she becomes 1st of all see 3 Vo male gold not very sexy and extremely polite and helpful to rather than being the rampaging robot that threatens to disrupt our sexual and economic and political and technological economies the Threepio right becomes the helpful robot the friendly robot who helps us and keep order and maintain connection in the universe so thanks Alan right so that helps people write so if that give people another frame through which to understand Star Wars and of course it was the way that Lucas was inspired look at this Talk to yourself about the fact that of the 1972 films Silent Running was also a major inspiration especially for his droid design so if you've never seen this it's a marvelous little eco criticism film really really beautiful and the drawers in it he would do in Louis are utterly charming in many ways they do indeed look as you can see like r.t.g. 2 and one of them even has the kind of extend her hand there are 2 d 2 has that can come out of him and open locks and you other kinds of things so again it's interesting that Lucas is drawing on a wide array of sources out of different cultures but also at different times there is going all the way back to the beginning of science fiction history and then going right into the present in working with some of the most interesting and critically acclaimed of sort of small films that were coming out around the time.

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People believers who are fans actually so we have some questions and I'm seeing that the next slide maybe there are ways into that you want to show this side of the house technology portrayed and then I can tell you some of the questions just really quickly before we transitioned I'll I don't have the audio on here but the way that the person interact with the robots is very similar to how they talk to our t.v. to our she doesn't.

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Answer The person also has the same kind of interaction with these robots they don't speak so I think it's also kind of very interesting there in the yeah. But you had a human pet relationship in some ways than a sentient being to sentient being Thing At 1st yeah she's very obviously in this clip is very frustrated with robots.

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So let me go to the next lines. So in terms of those kind of the history of Star Wars and how that kind of has you know looking at what other people thought of technology how do probably into their movies this is sort of how did Star Wars or bring technology into our worst.

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Though And how is it portrayed and how. Good or bad of technology. Are you want to ask your question really quickly. Yes So there's a number of questions I think really helped us get that they can start it and essentially the question is which asks Do you think all of science fiction or do you all think that science fiction is a result of current technical direction or it helps here and I think other people are asking similar things so we have insaan talking about what are examples of technology that stem from science fiction and then we have Jordan had a similar question.

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So I'll start with. Maybe a quick answer to maybe a broader question about science fiction not about Star Wars not exactly did you guys is that it's in fact I read this in a book and I found it really fascinating is that when I asked predict the future that's fiction writers did a far better job of predicting the future in terms of at least warfare politicians soldiers scientists and and that was to me really remarkable because the people who you thought would be the experts were building stuff the guys who by orders the guys who are in charge of governments actually were much worse at predicting the future then someone like if you Wells who.

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Were of the world actually predicted a lot of the things happened very well and so I think in general science fiction has had a very our in our world maybe you guys didn't talk about it more it related to Star Wars. Yeah I can jump in I got.

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Mad at something you know I got out later. Anybody feel free to. Go over it after you. Yes So I hate to say this but it goes both ways so let's give you a nice answer but look let's look for an example for inspiration I think a lot of people were inspired by for example and starry Star Trek some of the devices like the tricorder a lot of I have a friend who's doing a startup for medical tricorder they want to be a subject but my wife sat.

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Then on the flip side I think you saw the tricorder as people trying to vent that I think cell phones and a lot of handheld devices coming from things like you know your communicators certainly robotic hands in the inspiration maybe Aaron can talk to that but the flip side is that for example I'm in a war in the clip that I wanted to show you all but I couldn't despite my best efforts to record and think this.

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Is Actually there's a scene where an alien is trying to retrain a droid that was designed for killing people really effectively. It was about a 100 droid so he reprogrammed it using what I'd call a form of somewhere between reinforcement learning and inverse reinforcement learning. The guy actually talks about giving it affirmation and praise and nurturing the robot it's absolutely fascinating and I think it gets a lot of what we've been looking at and you know for decades and reinforcement learning about how do you teach a robot from scratch after you reset it to do some other some other task rather than having to program it with with like Python or c. plus plus or whatever it is they're doing at Star Wars so I think a lot of ideas also start feeding into.

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To science fiction as well about like what is possible and I think to go to the point about the politicians and people the military I mean 1st of all politicians just aren't trained for that ever like that's just not what they're good at the government like they're supposed to be lawyers to interpret the law at least that's what most of them are I think science fiction writers are are unique because they specifically go to talk to all the scientists as part of their job to figure out what is possible and then by talking and gaining consistently in history and Trent they can kind of get a sense of like what is the likely next 10 or 20 or 30 years and so I think they offer a very valuable insight into where we're going to go so I think there's there's certainly a feedback loop.

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No I don't yes please it's Ok so I think on the Certainly on the prosthetics or I so seldom This is played out and almost like a very direct way and. I in space and then you know come out with the full things and being a good example I'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute but another great example is the Iron Man project which you know is also referred to as the palace project u.s. army and essential a there have been the major not sort of just.

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Simple technology but huge funding initiatives that are based around a scythe technology that the army for star once made and. Arm and a great example of that was I would actually say fairly successful Allo sort of almost impossible project I think. It's kind of a failure but you know I do think there's some.

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Major. Politicians are funding agencies are actually working I find for inspiration on. Some of that they just sort of out there in this you. Know there is huge installations and I thought. For my students allowed them. Yeah I think that's a great point there and I think we'd be remiss especially those of us or in the eighty's to bring out that during the Reagan administration they started a missile defense program that was.

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Star Wars so I don't and more direct line from movie to government initiative than that. Yeah I remember you with both of you guys I think also part of it is a chicken and egg thing so if you know we can capture the public imagination by you know using a movie which has you know millions of audience members and then you know when you try to build a program and the government and you can say you have something of a frame of reference for every wind all right then that becomes sort of an initiative and people can say yeah that was really cool I think we should use it's a little bit harder it's either easier to build up a public sentiment based on something everybody has experience.

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If you guys don't mind me jumping in real quick as an eighties baby so I totally don't remember who Reagan was and then I got him for my personal experience I want to read online and see him clips but just as a fact check Reagan was not behind why it was called Star Wars it was actually called Star Wars by his critics because they thought it was stupid and grandiose So it's actually yes I do that I don't think I can be fact checked I don't know it's actually got this defense initiative but that you have yes only for certain there's actually a more complex story behind it even than that that may or may not happen before I go home or not actually so what happened was actually since the 1960 s. there have then groups of scientists and science fiction authors who have served as advisors both formally and informally to the United States government and there was a group in the sixties and seventies that I'm remembering correctly I'd have to double check if it's called the Citizens' Advisory Group and it had a number of u.s. generals in it and a number of science fiction authors including Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven and they were the ones who were sort of joking around about the Star Wars thing and there's a sense that perhaps that particular group is why who fed that nickname out.

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To the public l. though to this day both parties and Nevin swear that it was not their fault but I think it's interesting to know that you had this group of people who were thinking through science fiction scenarios with the government and then suddenly the things Star Wars is out there going from movies out into the public.

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So that's kind of interesting if I need something else I wanted to bring up really quickly someone had asked. If and when science fiction proceeds or shapes science and you know most science fiction artists will tell you what we do in our community is not prophecy it's extrapolations It's exactly like what Matthew was getting at is.

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The idea that that artist look around at the current state of science and society and ask what if and then do these hypothetical scenarios right and and push that forward you might think about science fiction as a kind of thought experiment for instance right so often it while it looks like science fiction is and she's a painter predicting the future it's only because you've had someone who's very smart and very carefully looking through what's going on with science at the time and then asking those what if questions and adding it so and there are examples of those I can give that are outside of robotics but one thing that I think that's really great great what is then is the word robot itself for instance right at Star Wars is all about robots and got people really excited about robots in Troy it's the word robot itself comes from science fiction it's from 1920 played by Carl Kaye pack all our you are Russians Universal Robots and robot is the chap we're bringing general laborer slave labor are the infantry and that's right it's exactly right that's what robots do they do the kind of horrible work that we as humans don't want to do you right and it makes sense why robots are always rampaging so they don't want to be slaves anymore they want to be free and it's interesting right because you begin to see that in the later Star Wars movies as the robots realize hey yeah maybe we have a stake in this future as well.

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I'm really with you guys in that idea that there's this feedback loop between science and art here and so I think it's important we don't have to let science fiction as prophesying things it it's really extrapolating and for so for instance those of you who want to just learn more about there's a great website called technology dot com I can put it in the q. and a if you'd like and it's a website that's put together by people who map out where the 1st artistic ideas are where we see the 1st representations of different scientific concepts in art and vice versa and that's really instructive to see who gets to where 1st.

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You know I think you say can you if you put that into it just such that you can take a look at that as well I'll let you watch you want me to play to the Associated with the slime now that you're going to I'm. Going to be heading for that long before he gets there is almost right.

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That's no mood. To Space Station to be a space station. You know our one of the reasons I wanted to show those clips because they want to talk over me obviously. Was really just what they wanted that's really important I think it's important think about actually as people who are thinking of science the technology is that science fiction art doesn't just show us possible futures it tells us how we're supposed to feel about those futures and in fact that's one of we talk about this as one of the great beauties of science fiction that it has these different emotional holes and that it encourages their invites readers to go to those different poles and the 2 different clips I showed you show you the 2 different emotional poles of of science fiction So that's 1st clue that the revelation of the Death Star right that's showing us the technological sublime and if you're not familiar with the concept of the sublime this is an idea that goes all the way back to the Romantics and that the subline is the experience we have when we when we see encounter things that dwarf the human mind and originally that meant things like infinity or hurricanes or huge mountains but as we've become increasingly techno scientific people we now talk about the technological sublime and as modern humans we're audience terrified by the things we make here Judy and neighbors bridges real roads and of course Death Stars right and we're both odd and terrified by the things we can do here and you'll notice that science fiction teaches us how to feel about the sublime through a couple special effects right you always get the zoom out like Egypt here were the 1st to like what am I looking at what am I looking at and then it zooms out and you're like my god it's huge and it's big and it's scary and it's mind blowing right you'll notice the dialogue Windles when you see the sublime the music swells and you as an audience are told your mind is glowing right though you're just post a note that.

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The other thing of course is the other point the other hole we have in science fiction is the technological grotesque and that's really what you see with the 2nd clip right and the grotesque is obviously just the exact opposite sensation of the Sublime the protests suggest to us that there's either there are things that defy science and rationality or are that we are using perverting even science and rationality towards disgusting and destructive and horrifying ends and you'll notice that while the sublime is always about massive scale things massive scale engine hearing things massive spaces etc The grotesque becomes it goes inward instead and you see that in this clip that you start pull back but you dive inward and it goes inward to the personal into the body and those bodies are always disgusting and that's how you know it's wrong task because it makes you feel queasy right there are bodies that have been ripped open they've had things shoved into them that don't belong there are the key there mashed up with other kinds of bodies there are strange they're not cool and we're just terrified in disgust or there's no in the situation at all and I think Star Wars really helped screenplay those 2 modes to the big screen and today we see these all the time I mean just go watch any m.c.u. movie and now you 2 can play the grotesque it's of one game yeah I think so it's a really good job of being both of those things and it's sort of it's kind of simply a sense of those attacks.

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And it's very fun about it yes but not if I jump in real quick yeah this is all like really awesome I'm really glad to be on this panel and learn to scrape. I think we want to regularize somewhat of our talk about technology inside fight in stories like Star Wars let's ignore 79 and everything Disney did let's just think for a moment about one through sex like it was a story it was an archetype well story between good and evil very clear contrast the rise and fall of panic in Skywalker and I think that the setting in this science by Universe is a mode through which we are.

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Ok so while we're trying to get back. This is sort of like the segue from the previous side in terms of types of technology what kind of feeling it gives you you know someone has a ton of different kinds of choice and they have obviously sideboards humans and it's sort of on a continuum in some ways you have you know people who are normal humans you have people and different levels of the tech so you have you know the cliff just the hand I think that with most of the study and general Beavis with even more as I like and then you have robots that think like I'm talking like people and they're funny robots that you know are the dark shapes like people that are also you know adorable and you have robots if you services so there's quite a spectrum and I think Star Wars is sort of errant terms of how they you know say some robots are I'm good it's all right robots are evil and they're sort of in generals are risky it's a very unusual if you love this type of technology it's not the back yes I'm back sorry about that and I want to do you want to finish your thought you probably already started.

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There's a point yes good versus evil. That I think it's ultimately about the rise and fall of any king and one through 6 and so I think the technology is kind of along for the ride are helping to suspend our disbelief and create this fictional world the sandbox in which we can view these archetypes all rules of good and evil the fall of the of one man and then the redemption of Him through His Son and.

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I think the technology becomes a sideshow in some ways because you know we can't explore things like our robots going to take over our chops or robots going to kill us all and kind of the normal tropes of Terminator and robots or even sexuality and relationship with robots that we saw for example more and solo.

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And to that extent so it's interesting how the robots aren't the focus in my opinion about how ling up the story. Just wanted to I just want to add that as a regular as ation to our machine learning algorithm inferring kind of things here yeah I actually have a.

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Feeling on your slice now. Why do you go ahead and show. Ok I'll play with some of your. Music. Ok so I think a lot of people are kind of the mill year with this but this is where we get through started with his hand prosthesis after after getting knocked off in the way it will with his father in the you know you don't know the 1st grader.

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And I think what's really cool as as this is inspired a lot and in prosthetic technology and a lot of groups have tried to kind of get to or you know emulate this this device I'll briefly kind of go through why what is available today and and and what was inspired So as we mentioned previously the DARPA project really tried to revolutionize our study when it was a kind of around this framework of creating a loop arm and I would say we're going to break this down from 3 different technologies you had saw in that movie The 1st being the mechanical stuff and then control it and then and then more on the sense you are and I think maybe I'm biased I'm a mechanical engineer but the really mechanical systems I think we've done a really good job I feel is very close to what what Luke had from a tactical standpoint we have hand out there I live in Bionic being great examples of martial available systems all the articulated really low form factor everything there can be controlled independently.

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And really low weight and just for people to wrap their heads around that's usually a actual prosthesis has to be about half the mass of the of our actual labs and they use a mobile device not just because it's a it's kind of this on board extension. Now that you know one of the cool technologies that we've come out with recently is known as osteo integration where we drill into the somebody's phone and attach the properties to Rackley.

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And not really allow for much more physical connection to these devices to the to human use are becoming more and more common and in Prospect technology and even terrible hands are all traits they are really capable of doing a lot the problem is we really don't have from a control system engineering the ability to control all these different degrees of freedom that some of these hands may have that maybe up to even like rid of freedom.

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The issue here is where you get the control signal problem and I'm the most popular technology hands down my electric so that's d.m.g. control where basically people use their residual muscles to control a life and what is now commonly used and in the field that sort of the most advanced technology in prostheses is what's known as pattern recognition or regime learning techniques where we just take basically these patterns in the m.g.m. region relate them to different motions and this is pretty common and it's now that it was in sort of research at the start of this just century and nowadays is unequivocal of all of us but why this is kind of constrained to is primarily patterns in which we sort of just to trawl.

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A single rap on the hands so we really don't have at least clinically available as you may have doing sort of and drafting or controlling it being less intuitive and. Usually the good side like desk where somebody can kind of think about doing graphs and. Or meant to all and so this is awful you follow it through all it's really advanced over the last 5 to 10 years or we don't have the time simultaneous involve multiple degrees of freedom which are normal hands like you know or the ability to fully control.

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It with just surface. And so I. Now as well and with knowledge sort of in the research friends here and maybe the ability to do that says if you do use a muscularity m.j. I need to see the example of this and I take a shot. Of all time sensor that's wireless and your and my fault and now we can get from there to wrap in your control once we can get to those smaller muscle another common technology now Lester and so want your custom design where it has to roughly balance within their new measure that.

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Started in your signal so that Apple accidentals comes out and you can get some pretty cool all. In From options of the prosthesis but of course all of this is very and the part that you saw where Luke would sort of. Clearly sensing and feeling pain we were probably earnest away from the Star Wars knowledge and so that's really why Yeah I'll sensing or even for groups option which is use while you.

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We're at hand is and that is really the last we need and in order to householders not fall into this all of us prestige since we're really. Part of yourself and why the fact is I and we are working on this in your house I think our Maybe.

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We might lift some of those sensors. And tried to map out basically you know we can watch sensors on the device that can tell maybe that you're in contact with something but actually coming up with the way of nothing to the. Last nerve impulse right is really challenging and usually it kind of feels like something is.

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All fading we're not on my own my call that's the type of thing. And the problem really is understanding how the brain was always centrally done. And and being able to come up with the right you know Nation paradigms to actually test the sense of sensation something that were definitely not sort of well you know I would say you know go over big shots and small we're getting closer but maybe not quite there and and this decision however it's not generous so a lot of concern for the.

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Believe. In the people. On the side. This is the last thing you are talking about in terms of. National organization. You just have any other thoughts about how the worst had an effect on prospects for some of the next No sorry I did want to bring up like an interesting I think paradox for me and perhaps that paints a grim picture of the future for people in the fields of biology and in chemistry and health and that it's very interesting that we can clone like the commune Owens can clone an entire army and raise them very quickly program them but we can't regrow an arm like I think that is something that's very interesting and I think in some ways that's not purposefully trying to say that like we're not going to advance and health care what I think that those saying is is more like a perspective that the integration of man and machine each humanizes you very much what you saw at the end of episode 3 and a dark theater losing the arm he became less human he became corrupted by evil and I think it's very interesting with Lucas not necessary that he was corrupted by evil although he is tempted in episode 6 I think the fact that Luke loses his hand gets at the fact it's something like kind of the what the myth of horror it's having to send and go and fight the evil of Sathan losing his eye and becoming injured through your confrontation with evil.

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In a unique instant micro unit that really is the descent into the underworld of conference like your own self is the evil like you see in the cave on they go right with with you to the door theatre is out and through that confrontation with the evil within himself he becomes wounded and that carries with him for the rest of his time and we see that in Episode 79 so I think that the prosthetic is is really a device to describe the wounding a permanent wounding of you through the confrontation with evil whereas I might imagine a future hopefully we can just read your lips but in the meantime if I ever lose my arm I'm definitely calling Erin you after I call 911 to help get that prosthetic ready and set up for me because that's really tough I think it's a wait until your next life.

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Actually sort of a combo of all of you slides. If I can actually get to share it's sort of a you know there was a really good. Bit to talk about on that you know basically you know we're looking at how this technology gets a trade in Star Wars and how sometimes Knology service fans are not so.

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That was how the characters think about it I'm seeing enhancements and the 2nd question that's sort of related. It is what just always get right about. Others and think about things like love another characteristic Now I didn't actually intend to do this regionally but it seems that there is a slightly different perspective between the original Lisa Lucas made and sort of the newer ones the newer ones seem to have a lot more robots that are Feist them selves for humans and the original We seem to have a slightly you know different perspective although it may be selective memory on my part but if you guys have any other.

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Examples that would be a good so I'll quickly show you. The videos so stay with that 1st while. The Force. So that 1st one was Luke being told not to use a 4 star to use the force not to use his machine a 2nd one I think is probably very low yet.

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The 2nd one has only one saying that. Machines are well used are better is not a good person because he's part machines. And more focused on. What you would have the respect for the difference between knowledge and. Well it's drawing to think that been honest with the small machine.

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Which even though our. Guys want to talk a little bit about sort of Star Wars perception I. Thought of good and evil and Ai and machines are healthy and work with humans. Well it seems to me right like Star Wars invite especially the earlier movies they they work because especially because they're using that can 1000000000 structure they're really working through very basic binary is that structure our thinking in the west right good in evil black and why.

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And then of course human machine right and you see this that humans are supposed to have control over their machines and be distinct from them right and that as humans sort of become more politically corrupt or other kinds of corrupt I think exactly what Matthew was saying that they become infested with machines are more closely interwoven with machines right and it's just the sort of loss of control over the self over the body politick right and of course the universe itself eventually.

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Whether or not the content current movies do that it seems to me like. The Per and droids are more sentient and more treated like people right rather than tools and this is no surprise in 3 movies that have been Brinkley criticised by a number of people for being too diverse and it sucks is no surprise that once you start looking at diversity we're going to include not just all kinds of humans but all kinds of non humans who are also people.

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Yet interesting point to figure out. Just jumped on a plane I do agree I think there's a divorce between one through 6 and 7 through 9 in terms of robots previously being inferior like even though they can be Gary like the droids that like roll like little scorpion things and shoot like the jet i.e. or even scared of them right but ultimately they can all just be flipped off with a switch that can't think for themselves and even the Droid armies in episode one artists flip off the sinners and like nobody is going to design a fully centralised robot army if that ever happens like that that's yeah flip a switch and turn it on or off right but I think that they are there potatoes puppets is inferior in the later movies I do think you're getting into much more almost Eastern few of you know and in terms of Animism and more efficient of these entities to develop relationships with them and I think again I think that's probably a more realistic picture because I think we already have things like robotic seal that are given to people in elder care facilities to develop relations with with them because they don't have access to you know touches to their loved ones as much they're isolated and give them simple even robots that kind of anthropomorphic can actually improve your spirits and that in turn can improve health care outcomes so I think we're very much likely going in a direction more like 79 in terms of having what humans think are real and meaningful relationship with robots I don't think robots are going to think that they have real meaningful relationships with people necessarily must be programmed to think that way but I do think that the human imagination is.

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The Sat double to this imprint in developing the relationships with many things just as a child develops relationship with a stuffed animal. And I think it's interesting that in the minority in particular it gets really cool in terms of like what is it actually like the program these robots that I think that puts this idea that the robots are not good or evil they are what you program to be what you teach them to be you give them affirmation or not I think that's a very human perspective on these devices and I think the last point at this love thing this like it's interesting to see an sexual relationship that people describe potentially between when a collar Rizzi and the Droid in his shoe and the 1000000 **** I forget the droids name.

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I think so much of that was left to the interpretation of the audience that and I think that's what good art does so I think there's somewhat of a debate between the audience members I'd love to talk to the writer and like was it was tense of potentially more than just a friend or platonic relationship between Lando and the robot was that like done on purpose where there's overtones done purposefully and and I do think that we see that in present society with sex robots and I think they're getting out and I think there's a lot of ethical questions that we have to wrestle with this Assayas idea and what is that even to look like and I think I can be a helpful way to start exploring those things and decide as a culture like what is appropriate and inappropriate but I sometimes get a little band off issue when when people read way stuff into it when it's not like texturally they're like literally you can touch it and see it and so you know I don't know how much is read into these scenes versus what they're what they're meant to be.

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I think they're very open text this is a concept that comes out of cultural studies that in order for our text to be popular like a commercially produced text it has to be open and that means open to interpretation right and Star Wars I mean that's part of its massive success is you can read whatever the heck you wanted to these right it doesn't matter what your political affiliation every single person thinks they're the rebellion and that the political party they dislike Yeah I am right and I think it's the same thing with sexuality and the droids you read into it what you want to see there and what your own hopes and fears are for the future Yeah that's a that's really cool and the idea of the self-sacrifice and the robots that it is I think something that captures Austin our minds as being like my gosh her fight yourself this this you know messianic or other kind of.

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L'Engle life down for another it's very interesting I think and how we have stated like a robot that's just that's just an equation but for us and we see it we think my gosh they're actually sacrificing something they have a life they're mortal and I think that that is something that that is explored really and with c. 3 p c 3 P.O.'s mortality in Episode 9 having to be able to speak a stiff language and I think that's also something that we're wrestling with and portrayed you know kind of an interesting way and some of the later episodes.

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I think it's a really good point about the mortality I'm reminded of the book. By Peter Singer I can't remember the name of it now but it was about a robot Wired for War and he talked about the Iraq robots that were used in Iraq if it does follow the box and they would sometimes get blown up as what their job and those would actually bring back individual parts of the robot to the depot and then you put them back together and arrow buy or whatever contractor would be I don't know if you knew what and this was a big No I want you to put back in robot because it was part of our team and I think that that the really interesting fact that maybe it's portrayed in the movie otherwise people wouldn't have been anticipated that people would want to put together a set of motors and years that whatever and they really believe are there even in ship with.

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You know we see that in interstellar have you haven't even seen interstellar right because you've got those amazing robots caisson tars which I think are the 2 coolest robots in contemporary film and when you're watching the movie it's really easy to start thinking about them as part of the team and then there's a point where they have to go until other robots and they just do it without thinking and you know like what you did you so used to thinking that was being human and part of that team so that's interesting that you even see.

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That I had no idea that about that that was happening with soldiers but that you see a very sort of similar I dynamic now happening at once again that sort of tight weaving in of our reality I guess and it's kind of concerning from like the perspective of my feeling human or interaction is that like we cannot study it in our lab and I know how to get you to think that my robot is more human or more alive or less alive to make you trust it more or less and so we're in terms of that the design the physical design the robot and also the design of the algorithms we have so much control and power to manipulate you into get you to interact with their device how we want and so I think you know that's kind of you know isn't necessary for trade and starwars but I think it it makes me think we have to be super careful with how we manipulate people especially like vulnerable populations others people who are children or elder care people who have mental handicaps in others and you know that that does bring about some really important issues so right.

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Sorry going to be so hard there all the time so I want to go and have a tantrum thank you but also this is this is actually a last question everything asked after this is sort of some reason why it's so odd to us what we can talk all over the site if you want that this is basically saying you know what technologies have Star Wars really predicted and you know what technologies have they should have predicted.

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Obvious things that have worked you know conferencing and you know how do we have you a heads up display is we have robots in every home now and they did not in the 1st Star Wars so I mean some of the other things that they predicted we never had so you just want to you know continue discussion over the side we can certainly do that sort of the last concepts like.

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We have 20 light sabers right. I mean I think I got I got like I got has saw the original star and we've always had those 2 I thought the original Star Wars in 77 and by that Christmas my sister and I had lightsabers in our hands. And now I have fancier ones that light up like the ones on t.v. So we sort of have them maybe you know where I don't know what we could really use a lightsaber for though yeah I don't know that I had mentioned earlier there's like you know why can't they really grow your arm for Lisa we were talking about this earlier like why can't they say found it right so it's always like some technologies that we probably have now.

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Unless you think that. Teen use the force to kill our. Earth I don't say things you can't think they're Well I think the film do you think of them kind of imply she died of a broken heart which also implies then that they had no sense of on postpartum depression or any kind of like sort out there appeared are you know a system set up to deal with the trauma of it even you die or I doubt there's likely right using her.

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You know lousy maternal services there I've got to say. I also wonder how women will feel about robots catching their babies because I have literally been in the news saying that I'm developing robots that are going to deliver babies Catchpole yank babies out of women totally not true it's a lot but that's what you get for being in the media but it is interesting that you know for some reason that seems to totally be Ok that we're going to have robots you know pulling babies out of women yet that's kind of weird No I think there's a 100 years of several 100 year tradition of women imagining alternatives to physical childbirth which of course we should all remember was extremely dangerous until very recently so.

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Whether or not I want something yanking things out of me that sounds a little bit like the science fictional grotesque but you know last looms things like that it's often been a fantasy but women you know I mean again taking away the dangerous and hard part of in this case biological or reproductive labor rather than productive labor but.

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Also where was her epidural. Where with anything for that poor woman right I mean my goodness. Yes So anybody on the common common. I'll go ahead and take you to everyone on the panel and everyone helped out. The people I read who have just put together on this broadcast I also like that they charge palace the stuff that you Air and Army for helping out.

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And of course just as an engineer out you know whether you're whether your Droid type of engineer just likes to fix things are your you know designing the way I are you know and we hope that you kind of gain something from this channel and that you kind of take this forward in the future I was looking at the comments people are going to watch towers get so hopefully in time we have an influence.

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And I think you have any closing words. Well I just want to thank everyone again thank you Katie and c.j. for you know making sure everything runs Thank you Alan for organizing a great a really fun talking I have high hopes in this exceeded also I just want to remind those of you who are left in attendance you are consuming our seminars in 2 weeks the still working on one button 3 weeks we have a special one organized.

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On applying for a faculty position. Application season and so especially for you senior grad students and postdocs hopefully that's very valuable you look forward to seeing you again in the next few weeks thank you again everybody have a great. Live long and prosper.