[00:00:08.13] and funded by the US Department of Education title six grants you are [00:00:14.18] [00:00:14.18] currently in the panel inequality of human trafficking so that's not very [00:00:18.05] [00:00:18.05] mean to be you can escape mouth probably would love you to stay than if you ended [00:00:22.21] [00:00:22.21] up here accidentally my name is Jenny Burnett I'm associate professor of both [00:00:28.16] [00:00:28.16] studies and anthropology at George's and also he is [00:00:33.11] [00:00:33.11] Director of Global Studies Institute at Georgia State most of my research is [00:00:38.11] [00:00:38.11] focused on Rwanda and the genocide in Moraga its causes consequences and the [00:00:43.20] [00:00:43.20] aftermath I'm currently on fellowship on a fellowship at the u.s. 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Department of State there does not have to be [00:05:34.23] [00:05:34.23] transferred that transportation in trafficking sex trafficking asks the [00:05:52.11] [00:05:52.11] apse reveals the purpose and down the I have that this is your company see now [00:05:58.06] [00:05:58.06] that I added random facts to Mexican situation and this is very very funny [00:06:02.22] [00:06:02.22] because in every country for example what is question what is fraud [00:06:08.16] [00:06:08.16] so that has to be right there any plans to medical [00:06:12.23] [00:06:12.23] education but right now what we're doing is Evelyn Kane is trying to actually [00:06:16.17] [00:06:16.17] define perfectly within that context so those of us with the additional research [00:06:21.12] [00:06:21.12] now that our mission we first built a facility national [00:06:26.03] [00:06:26.03] definition and certificate is very very important to get a quantity limited and [00:06:30.23] [00:06:30.23] contextual information because in this countries even the web trafficking does [00:06:34.09] [00:06:34.09] not exist you can say what is trafficking and they are making work for [00:06:37.23] [00:06:37.23] example you can work together for the common a patchwork of over the past ten [00:06:41.21] [00:06:41.21] years they did have one for trafficking so trafficking was defined just marking [00:06:47.19] [00:06:47.19] outside their home you know gravity for defect in traffic each so you wait [00:06:53.17] [00:06:53.17] outside the office each year so then one month so my talk is about trafficking [00:07:04.01] [00:07:04.01] and the SDGs on the SDG is adopted in which if you change by the United [00:07:08.12] [00:07:08.12] Nations after the MDGs which was supposed to be like absolutely chain so [00:07:13.17] [00:07:13.17] the instant keys are supposed to go until about 2015 and I think they are [00:07:17.15] [00:07:17.15] based on a few keys there were people planning programs capacity because like [00:07:24.12] [00:07:24.12] you know five fees that were used to bear the youth and energy G's and the [00:07:30.22] [00:07:30.22] ability for human development which had to be [00:07:33.18] [00:07:33.18] sustainable that we is development that took care of the environment so these [00:07:37.22] [00:07:37.22] are going to be open up did you try the energy sustainability goals in fact most [00:07:42.14] [00:07:42.14] of the issue that the SDG tech device to address such I mean most of what we call [00:07:47.14] [00:07:47.14] the motor ability factors if those quadrants [00:07:50.17] [00:07:50.17] they will end up between the centrality because he is what we call the [00:07:54.23] [00:07:54.23] vulnerabilities to trafficking like what actually makes people more than need to [00:08:00.04] [00:08:00.04] be trafficking honest so this is not a good fit Gina is what [00:08:04.20] [00:08:04.20] happened I get a chance you know these protocols are they also some of the same [00:08:11.21] [00:08:11.21] temperature T now focus on some actual everyday demands which are more [00:08:18.08] [00:08:18.08] relevance to trafficking I'm number five and eight and number 16 number 64 540 [00:08:27.16] [00:08:27.16] number eight has to do with the chemical jobs and employment and number 16 has to [00:08:36.02] [00:08:36.02] do with feasibility in the world this is not that I find you before but our team [00:08:40.16] [00:08:40.16] actually we have all of them actually have a very strong coordination with [00:08:48.10] [00:08:48.10] trafficking in terms of inches in various cultures [00:08:51.11] [00:08:51.11] number five Jeb equality nomination is a truck and economical and number 16 to be [00:08:56.05] [00:08:56.05] perhaps a sample paid like they wanted an easier to connect I would trafficking [00:09:02.12] [00:09:02.12] of course even things like clean motion screen watch our language Chico who sees [00:09:07.16] [00:09:07.16] the square agent actually and of course our biggest place between people [00:09:11.13] [00:09:11.13] convinced less because of climate change and misplaced then we know that this [00:09:16.14] [00:09:16.14] which is so you can see a little bit of you know that giant crabs or in this [00:09:24.04] [00:09:24.04] factor of Santa corresponding UN s to juice so the one on you know coverage [00:09:29.15] [00:09:29.15] especially developing that is co-participant making these factors for [00:09:32.23] [00:09:32.23] trafficking so V naught H is gas orchids the tough which survive then they have [00:09:37.08] [00:09:37.08] to look for those outside if they go outside they are not shoes so you can [00:09:41.10] [00:09:41.10] see how many people you can walk the other what leverage you can see that [00:09:45.14] [00:09:45.14] survive or not visitation as a team in the u.s. you can see this is and of [00:09:51.20] [00:09:51.20] course trafficking approved or trafficking approach of in the universe [00:09:55.18] [00:09:55.18] of there is this factor in purpose the [00:09:59.10] [00:09:59.10] means the reasons for food traffic of infiltrators and in this condition if [00:10:03.20] [00:10:03.20] you make a mistake personally that most were trucked to the sex it is not true [00:10:06.23] [00:10:06.23] actually yes probability at most in this country [00:10:09.18] [00:10:09.18] are trafficked for most of us the traffic sites and of course this is [00:10:16.09] [00:10:16.09] related to two properties so it Kings don't have with a very strong offense [00:10:22.23] [00:10:22.23] application and this entire cycle subsidy which is from the US and data [00:10:27.09] [00:10:27.09] from the Wow monka good hardworking and first of us [00:10:32.03] [00:10:32.03] were in health research we know that it is more than just now it is watched it [00:10:37.09] [00:10:37.09] is they have is their health risks that victims of survivors of trafficking [00:10:42.19] [00:10:42.19] experiences like hiv/aids is GM subject match [00:10:48.03] [00:10:50.21] pacification very important I gave this airplane mostly watch the one [00:10:56.19] [00:10:56.19] you can see data within the you isn't miss to the world so Jim the bow is this [00:11:02.20] [00:11:02.20] this is very very important remember as a signal for five nominees number 16 [00:11:06.17] [00:11:06.17] this is very very important with a portrayal of women who women are [00:11:11.07] [00:11:11.07] this is not only out the age of Alba countries this is also very much alive [00:11:16.03] [00:11:16.03] linguist you know so that is very easy [00:11:21.14] [00:12:15.05] I give a balance between both word in the university bin hier cinema together [00:12:24.08] [00:12:24.08] this is with that absent one so if it can be paid well what they're doing if [00:12:29.23] [00:12:29.23] people can't be independent any that would reduce a lot of kids miss hunters [00:12:36.18] [00:12:36.18] so they having luck is not enough business life is unavoidable people need [00:12:41.10] [00:12:41.10] to have access our country yes yeah whatever that regression of the lights [00:12:48.12] [00:12:48.12] there anyhow you can made it to some imagination when when you travel size [00:12:53.15] [00:12:53.15] for descent encounters as more events are women do you know for several times [00:13:03.03] [00:13:03.03] they are they individual what that means to the world and say consider the global [00:13:09.03] [00:13:09.03] chain of Aida [00:13:11.15] [00:13:14.15] so this issue does surveil [00:13:18.11] [00:13:20.19] this Olympics on the computers [00:13:24.06] [00:13:26.17] that climate change it's there but you can see this is this is fair realm in [00:13:32.13] [00:13:32.13] fact nowadays in many parts of development [00:13:35.07] [00:13:35.07] it's a tough watching you will have a drought so you have a flat either no way [00:13:41.03] [00:13:41.03] and if I could shift because of myself or actually it's not in Kingdom that [00:13:46.09] [00:13:46.09] does make us money for the first time ever ever this is the equator you know [00:13:56.01] [00:13:56.01] Kennedy butter passes right King I can't okay so this is a rhythm this is a very [00:14:01.21] [00:14:01.21] very rare okay so it's jazzy son strong this is very mindful and estate go to [00:14:08.23] [00:14:08.23] the profile for number eight and go to my sister because college is natural or [00:14:17.12] [00:14:17.12] man-made for example what's happening actually never Julie [00:14:21.13] [00:14:21.13] a little bit after we saw it begins that somebody needs were taken without the [00:14:26.14] [00:14:26.14] permission of the company to speak of the parents had a child you know many [00:14:31.11] [00:14:31.11] wouldn't so ever since are some of the ages were patient keeps watching you [00:14:42.16] [00:14:42.16] know because there is just the director of infrastructure there was nobody so [00:14:48.06] [00:14:48.06] please justice in strong institutions are very very good in the stuff you know [00:14:51.16] [00:14:51.16] Patrick's easy we saw something a sicko for example in Isis for example here's a [00:14:56.01] [00:14:56.01] human for example is a tailcoat taken as right the ISIS [00:15:03.12] [00:15:04.01] office must ability saw a stability and very very strong protective factors and [00:15:12.11] [00:15:12.11] penis trafficking what is a spectrum and it's not based on resource structure of [00:15:18.23] [00:15:18.23] consciousness [00:15:21.21] [00:15:22.06] other so they fascist 2017 which is just a combination of all of them so which in [00:15:28.17] [00:15:28.17] turn sir actually if I go through this real quick [00:15:30.15] [00:15:30.15] how many minutes wait up three minutes this one so and the certificate you [00:15:39.03] [00:15:39.03] watch it as suddenly saw Al Gore like round face this is something I did find [00:15:42.20] [00:15:42.20] practice and perhaps many such as like we're coming from our Kobach's why did [00:15:46.23] [00:15:46.23] you find surveys program and perhaps a bunch of pillows but when you go to [00:15:51.17] [00:15:51.17] these countries they have priorities so for example you could you give me and [00:15:55.18] [00:15:55.18] all you go to see unlike where we are that the kids are working in this [00:15:59.06] [00:15:59.06] diamond mines and the claims are that being exploited in this - and she said [00:16:04.06] [00:16:04.06] can we need to stop this a priority from these kids are a fabulous and for the [00:16:10.12] [00:16:10.12] government it's a survival it's a survival after the mine was in Asia was [00:16:16.04] [00:16:16.04] trying to have a kid stop working in an IT shop and actually they walk in the [00:16:22.00] [00:16:22.00] night he shot came out and they mostly against metal my friend from a couple [00:16:25.10] [00:16:25.10] it's not against him because he said you have got to give us like no fish and [00:16:31.20] [00:16:31.20] rice because if it if you have been think Abdullah a J I can go home and buy [00:16:37.03] [00:16:37.03] fish and rice are you going to buy i buy fresh buy something so I have come from [00:16:41.08] [00:16:41.08] this face of exploitation [00:16:44.19] [00:16:45.22] so she's very important many time to depreciate to practice for the people [00:16:50.18] [00:16:50.18] and the gloves that you want [00:16:54.12] [00:16:54.13] so in terms of research right now the ability absent research what about the [00:16:58.20] [00:16:58.20] Catholic research is something as simple as having a potential in additional [00:17:01.20] [00:17:01.20] payments on the clinical centers we have developing protocol you have the end we [00:17:07.15] [00:17:07.15] have the invested us divided of six and international trafficking we have the UK [00:17:12.16] [00:17:12.16] division of trafficking everybody has a difference of property but in these [00:17:16.00] [00:17:16.00] countries when you prepare it is the condition which is important not only [00:17:20.14] [00:17:20.14] the differential function but they give us of the other challenging research is [00:17:27.03] [00:17:27.03] trying to actually establish baseline integer so right now the next one we [00:17:31.09] [00:17:31.09] will try to substitute in these two countries telling me that is a Killian [00:17:36.19] [00:17:36.19] task which the can be able to spend like seven months is communities like using [00:17:43.02] [00:17:43.02] all sorts of some techniques to try to do it because even with these numbers of [00:17:48.13] [00:17:48.13] trafficking everybody Kabam foot five million 25 million ten million [00:17:53.16] [00:17:53.16] we don't know how many but market is its own that is it now you know but the [00:17:58.18] [00:17:58.18] scientists we need to go back and try to do as much [00:18:04.02] [00:18:04.02] as matter we need to have different assess whether there was physical data [00:18:09.13] [00:18:09.13] they can stand looking at the aging and there needs to be there needs to be like [00:18:15.16] [00:18:15.16] one that informs 47 out there and walk out there that inform participant [00:18:21.16] [00:18:21.16] announcer another one block off from a book I think the book the world is flat [00:18:28.09] [00:18:29.11] he makes what the New Times yes yes she says that you know he has this quality [00:18:36.23] [00:18:36.23] cause block o whereby the block were coming from the community from the club [00:18:41.22] [00:18:41.22] or so we want to be such he gets it [00:18:46.06] [00:18:58.04] thank you for that I will now move on to Deborah Richardson well known here in [00:19:05.06] [00:19:05.06] Atlanta but we are so far working on many issues [00:19:10.00] [00:19:10.00] as that can be organizer she's currently executive director of the International [00:19:14.19] [00:19:14.19] Swimming trafficking institutes at the center facility the grains and the [00:19:19.16] [00:19:19.16] Alonso FNS forests because human rights expert in residence she'll be presenting [00:19:25.20] [00:19:25.20] on metro Atlanta's coalition so while she's getting my presentation I've [00:19:34.12] [00:19:34.12] always defined miss Manette Beckham an IRS tax returns under occupation social [00:19:41.14] [00:19:41.14] change and still introduction trafficking [00:19:47.19] [00:19:49.19] my job with supplying services and programs for children who are confident [00:19:53.18] [00:19:53.18] we're going to deploy system and in order to do that the team [00:19:58.18] [00:19:58.18] judges Falcons in the back bitch of [00:20:04.13] [00:20:04.13] some ideas about that continually girl came in she's but that she had been [00:20:10.15] [00:20:10.15] and up south of coming from just last two dates [00:20:15.15] [00:20:15.15] her crimes has she been found the back seat of a van before tea [00:20:21.05] [00:20:22.12] because camping and handling [00:20:26.08] [00:20:27.22] traffic citation and this child had been left up to date [00:20:32.22] [00:20:32.22] curfew valuation and to chow and so a 1999 witch [00:20:39.04] [00:20:39.04] prostitution their permanent family assorted services would not seek did not [00:20:43.21] [00:20:43.21] identify trapped [00:20:47.01] [00:20:47.15] and considered it was fine [00:20:51.15] [00:20:54.18] and my anger was very apparent when I went back to the judge's chambers so she [00:20:59.14] [00:20:59.14] said yes you know lovely place but believe me it's nothing I'd mention [00:21:02.23] [00:21:02.23] because there are because defects won't take her [00:21:07.12] [00:21:07.12] I had to sink of that detention because about Lisa her pamphlet only [00:21:13.18] [00:21:13.18] and that was [00:21:17.07] [00:21:19.23] so I'm going to share with you a [00:21:25.06] [00:21:25.06] like campaign that we launched and she last year and talk to you about [00:21:32.17] [00:21:34.09] first thing I did was back in January of 2018 to 1950 people to come to the [00:21:42.03] [00:21:42.03] Senators have been Lester and magic Rock assimilation [00:21:47.18] [00:21:47.18] right so this one and I explained that Groupon [00:21:52.01] [00:21:52.01] from a community versus a child marriage because everyone [00:21:56.23] [00:21:56.23] in the communities [00:21:59.18] [00:22:00.13] so we asked the hundred-fifty banquet work with us over pigment periods is [00:22:07.02] [00:22:07.02] great to be strategic plan about 60th and so you can witness and Accenture [00:22:14.09] [00:22:14.09] works with us [00:22:17.03] [00:22:17.08] she keeps a plan for us in order to get to the plan we have ideation sessions [00:22:22.20] [00:22:22.20] all of these axioms the possibilities we've narrowed it down [00:22:26.21] [00:22:26.21] to 16 they only wrote mapped it over through your plane [00:22:32.13] [00:22:32.15] so from the very beginning look at trafficking in terms of the [00:22:39.17] [00:22:39.17] indication [00:22:42.17] [00:22:43.08] David eloquently shared article [00:22:47.23] [00:22:48.20] but the one thing I often forget they're loving you in this room [00:22:55.17] [00:22:57.12] Sam you don't because they'd only stairs because people's help [00:23:02.05] [00:23:02.05] and so our goal is to shift the model have people interested in trafficking at [00:23:07.12] [00:23:07.12] work and [00:23:10.01] [00:23:10.01] if the trafficker does not have a pass here she that [00:23:15.06] [00:23:15.06] anyone purchases because every [00:23:19.10] [00:23:19.10] and so this is so we have a two-pronged strategy one is we're going to change [00:23:25.22] [00:23:25.22] thousand people to recognize you in traffic you know [00:23:29.13] [00:23:29.13] labor and sex exploitation but that's not just work the same as an output [00:23:34.14] [00:23:34.14] that's not just the personal thing to have it [00:23:37.07] [00:23:37.07] to drive to impact that we would have a community [00:23:42.14] [00:23:43.19] Tobin accepted so the more people exposed within particular those [00:23:50.20] [00:23:52.15] education etc you know [00:23:57.00] [00:23:58.15] so I want to talk a little bit about how nutrition [00:24:02.11] [00:24:02.11] sections this is cat trafficking occurs [00:24:07.18] [00:24:08.07] and all nature say something to cities across the United States they are a [00:24:14.15] [00:24:14.15] driver the strip clubs massage parlors as we sell all those drivin trafficking [00:24:22.17] [00:24:22.17] sex trafficking and one in the common vernacular is that [00:24:28.11] [00:24:29.04] stainless aesthetically today they trust trafficking [00:24:33.16] [00:24:33.16] but what we do commercial sex way I had a 14 inches [00:24:39.17] [00:24:39.17] city [00:24:41.23] [00:24:42.09] and a trafficker can make almost 13 while this method issue issues there [00:24:50.02] [00:24:50.02] 12,400 in every month going on [00:24:55.06] [00:24:55.22] looking for people this is 12 pounds of forage of man [00:25:01.12] [00:25:01.23] so trafficking also happens because of us [00:25:07.04] [00:25:07.04] dangerous points that child will team score and [00:25:12.22] [00:25:13.06] the red and orange is virtual channels directly in Atlanta city supports around [00:25:20.12] [00:25:20.12] so we know that these are the children and young adults or months of our [00:25:24.06] [00:25:24.06] movement were being trafficked because of all things [00:25:28.02] [00:25:28.02] smoke battery you know some melon this is no surprise [00:25:32.04] [00:25:32.04] any of us these are the most from anything black and brown children love [00:25:36.17] [00:25:36.17] to eat eat eat all of those [00:25:40.00] [00:25:40.09] in traffic as they are [00:25:43.15] [00:25:46.16] also they're responsible for the fact that our child welfare systems [00:25:51.22] [00:25:51.22] that defects routinely clothes Rutina closes about four inch of cases [00:25:59.12] [00:25:59.12] and here because they have no idea where those kids are and the National Center [00:26:03.23] [00:26:03.23] for Missing for the children said 92% of the [00:26:07.11] [00:26:07.11] children immediately becoming palette in foster care system so we [00:26:13.12] [00:26:13.23] while secure system becomes the fun so we know what it sold to know we talk [00:26:20.09] [00:26:20.09] about abilities [00:26:23.04] [00:26:26.04] what we were running we thought it but we didn't realize [00:26:34.09] [00:26:38.12] people organization and I don't get social [00:26:44.19] [00:26:44.19] identified traffic well at school so these are kids [00:26:53.01] [00:26:53.01] in traffic and that was very bad frankly for that train [00:26:58.05] [00:26:58.05] and two minutes at my presentation and got interrupted mrs. wait a minute I [00:27:03.05] [00:27:03.05] just picked up two 26:36 star hotel [00:27:09.08] [00:27:11.06] and I'm to terms of parking lot bankrupted one [00:27:19.01] [00:27:19.01] age with young girls to go to school at night [00:27:25.06] [00:27:25.17] and so the latter public school was very proactive to make it a home 360 around [00:27:32.08] [00:27:32.08] addressing we have posters and every [00:27:36.06] [00:27:36.06] I see I recognize the signs we [00:27:42.15] [00:27:44.21] and a train fare the resource officers their cafeteria workers their bus [00:27:49.18] [00:27:49.18] drivers bus drivers [00:27:53.04] [00:27:53.18] and we and the foundation has so there's an enemy [00:28:00.01] [00:28:00.08] we talked about [00:28:03.13] [00:28:05.20] military health [00:28:09.04] [00:28:10.17] Atlanta [00:28:13.12] [00:28:15.13] Richland and young people are left [00:28:19.22] [00:28:24.12] so this was the problem that sa mr. Byer last year missing today [00:28:32.14] [00:28:32.14] the Justice Department admitted and their focus is [00:28:36.22] [00:28:36.22] risk and victims and investment she summons on the backhand rescue [00:28:45.12] [00:28:47.00] and so these vines operate and absolutely [00:28:53.23] [00:29:04.07] and this is a [00:29:07.02] [00:29:11.21] okay but nevermind it's not so worried maybe show it cause you can't either [00:29:17.13] [00:29:17.13] sure [00:29:19.21] [00:29:24.07] okay [00:29:27.07] [00:29:35.10] okay perfect itself and that's way to the law not just for a bisexual [00:29:42.11] [00:29:42.11] mr. Cravens [00:29:45.14] [00:29:45.18] 12 [00:29:48.18] [00:29:55.15] Marshall these guys efficiency homes I just told me this [00:30:01.16] [00:30:01.16] we have to do here at the fight [00:30:09.21] [00:30:12.12] I really need to believe that most buyers felt like they weren't going to [00:30:16.20] [00:30:16.20] get caught and I think although but a minute get caught no comment enough [00:30:20.22] [00:30:20.22] sherry help conducted a study in 2014 and admirers and we found that 26% of [00:30:27.20] [00:30:27.20] the buyers of commercial sentiment kids did not spend a day [00:30:32.17] [00:30:32.17] we've got a serious problem on tolerance my ignorance was life in this barrier [00:30:38.01] [00:30:38.01] and it wasn't oh I remember of the Governor's Council it was [00:30:42.20] [00:30:42.20] conference that I understood our probably count a problem [00:30:51.01] [00:30:52.07] dual sex trafficking is recruiting enticing harboring transporting [00:30:59.06] [00:30:59.06] a vitamin for commercial sex some states are now starting to include purchasing [00:31:06.03] [00:31:06.03] and soliciting that's clarify that my roots are part of the crime sex [00:31:11.11] [00:31:11.11] trafficking we thought there are two types of diversity that situation for [00:31:16.21] [00:31:16.21] the cops was heightened by minor what dangers they just want myself 17 [00:31:22.15] [00:31:22.15] religious people are specifically looking for miners who work in buyers [00:31:27.05] [00:31:27.05] that are doctors attorneys a lot of Plus that people will that make a substantial [00:31:33.11] [00:31:33.11] amount of money to the guy that just came off the construction site my [00:31:37.13] [00:31:37.13] experience was the stereotype that we always hear that they have family is [00:31:41.08] [00:31:41.08] against the shoulder [00:31:44.15] [00:31:46.01] / dr. Mary Pat Mary the eighth rate of our offenders went from 817 up to around [00:31:53.18] [00:31:53.18] 60 almost 70 years old travelers and another man a disturbing [00:32:00.11] [00:32:00.11] trend we found with savvy shopper the victim [00:32:04.07] [00:32:04.07] morning fellas offer two assets actually in some of our cases absolutely brought [00:32:11.21] [00:32:11.21] tape stops sometimes things along those lines there were several times that I've [00:32:16.09] [00:32:16.09] linked apart and shut out of the car they don't that's what comfortable [00:32:21.13] [00:32:21.13] shopping in one place there's a large number of that out there that are [00:32:28.08] [00:32:28.08] looking for these girls knowing that they brought them rank them [00:32:32.22] [00:32:32.22] an investment okay and so that's what's been out and [00:32:39.22] [00:32:39.22] the Metropolitan [00:32:43.04] [00:32:44.05] some justice [00:32:48.04] [00:32:49.09] study of minibus pets and what they found was that actually only 6.2 percent [00:32:57.03] [00:32:57.03] nonsense the pelts were mined at six much [00:33:02.08] [00:33:02.12] is generally the 590 our [00:33:07.22] [00:33:11.01] and then the Marriage Encounter 6.2% I mean [00:33:17.18] [00:33:18.20] so assistance everything they have people stand there and and actually do [00:33:24.22] [00:33:24.22] their whole study intuitive the majority of men who buy sex with [00:33:31.06] [00:33:31.06] north of Sweden and America so that was for the report to validate [00:33:38.20] [00:33:38.20] Authority [00:33:41.13] [00:33:43.17] so our progress today is mm strength training 70 [00:33:53.06] [00:33:54.00] our girls 500 communities [00:33:57.21] [00:33:59.02] without how companies [00:34:04.01] [00:34:10.03] and the father what if I was [00:34:13.17] [00:34:14.16] and that [00:34:17.10] [00:34:18.06] of public safety departments we are targeting five-minute conversation at [00:34:23.03] [00:34:23.03] 7:00 and a to charity right [00:34:27.18] [00:34:29.20] we got there the baseline you know so like I said who saw that slide and [00:34:37.02] [00:34:37.02] gaming love April 16 now 200 [00:34:42.12] [00:34:42.12] all the sectors education it's [00:34:47.05] [00:34:49.18] Foundation space news is [00:34:53.11] [00:35:11.04] thank you so much that Richardson I'd now like to introduce miss Monica Modi [00:35:18.18] [00:35:18.18] COTS who is executive director of the Georgia Asylum and Immigration Network [00:35:23.18] [00:35:23.18] and adjunct professor of law at Georgia State University and she'll be talking [00:35:28.07] [00:35:28.07] about immigration human trafficking I'm gonna stand just because I couldn't [00:35:34.08] [00:35:34.08] see the slides clearly position that I was at so maybe I'll give you all [00:35:38.19] [00:35:38.19] something else to look at him well I stand here my name is Monica and I'm a [00:35:44.11] [00:35:44.11] lawyer and I've been practicing immigration law since 1998 so for over [00:35:50.08] [00:35:50.08] 20 years now and in my work I have worked with victims of crime asylum [00:35:57.21] [00:35:57.21] seekers and victims of human trafficking and sexual assault and domestic violence [00:36:02.15] [00:36:02.15] but I'm really here to talk to you about human trafficking in the immigrant [00:36:07.05] [00:36:07.05] communities I really focus my presentation is going to focus more on [00:36:12.03] [00:36:12.03] labor trafficking but I generally before I get into it when I say that if you had [00:36:17.16] [00:36:17.16] heard vulnerable populations being targeted for human trafficking well I [00:36:22.19] [00:36:22.19] you know purport to you that the immigrant population right here right [00:36:26.04] [00:36:26.04] now addition because of the laws policies [00:36:31.17] [00:36:31.17] everything that we hear about you know in the news who makes you know [00:36:37.22] [00:36:37.22] immigrants more vulnerable to any wrongdoing right now one thing that I [00:36:42.20] [00:36:42.20] wanted to share is since we've had a new president in 2018 the immigrant you know [00:36:50.21] [00:36:50.21] victims of crime who have come forward to report a crime has dropped why is [00:36:56.15] [00:36:56.15] that I mean I think we all know why exactly fear of deportation not wanting [00:37:02.16] [00:37:02.16] to be separated from families immigration immigrants would rather [00:37:06.04] [00:37:06.04] suffer the abuse then go ahead and report and try to get justice for their [00:37:10.08] [00:37:10.08] crime that was committed against them so as an immigration attorney for 20 years [00:37:14.03] [00:37:14.03] it's really heartbreaking right now to see all these victims I mean when we [00:37:18.19] [00:37:18.19] talk to law enforcement do we have these conversations every day you know they [00:37:23.08] [00:37:23.08] they tell us we want to help we just had you know a you know conversation with [00:37:27.20] [00:37:27.20] APD and they want to help they say they want to help at the very least but no [00:37:31.17] [00:37:31.17] one is coming forward and we know that we did not eradicate [00:37:36.00] [00:37:36.00] domestic violence of human trafficking so what that says is victims are [00:37:40.01] [00:37:40.01] remaining underground and that is you know what we're working so what if we do [00:37:44.11] [00:37:44.11] do we let them stay underground no that's not what we're going to do we [00:37:48.18] [00:37:48.18] have you know ramped up our outreach education effort it's like we did back [00:37:53.06] [00:37:53.06] in 2000 when the human trafficking laws were passed and we're retaining everyone [00:37:59.14] [00:37:59.14] that needs to be re-educated whether it's law enforcement communities you [00:38:04.19] [00:38:04.19] know partners that we work with social service partner shelters anyone that can [00:38:08.22] [00:38:08.22] come in contact with the victim of human trafficking and immigrant victim is whom [00:38:13.22] [00:38:13.22] we really want to connect with because it's important to let folks know exactly [00:38:18.18] [00:38:18.18] what's going on the one other difference is that back [00:38:21.20] [00:38:21.20] when we started doing this work in 2000 I could pretty much guarantee that you [00:38:28.10] [00:38:28.10] were if you were a victim of a crime because the laws would work well to [00:38:33.15] [00:38:33.15] protect you I can't guarantee that now so if you know if a victim of you will [00:38:40.04] [00:38:40.04] try to eat more to come to me and say I'm a victim of human trafficking if I [00:38:44.06] [00:38:44.06] tell the police I tell the FBI what's going on can you guarantee that I won't [00:38:48.12] [00:38:48.12] be deported and unfortunately I can't say that right now so you know we have [00:38:53.02] [00:38:53.02] to work with that and we're slowly piecing through what could happen we've [00:38:57.15] [00:38:57.15] been doing that pain or just on the immigration network which is the [00:39:00.20] [00:39:00.20] nonprofit that I'm executive director of we have been working on human [00:39:05.01] [00:39:05.01] trafficking cases for immigrants since 2008 and we've just got our first denial [00:39:10.16] [00:39:10.16] last year we had one every single case that we had filed and last year we got [00:39:16.03] [00:39:16.03] it denied so we're still employing the same method you know methods of finally [00:39:20.23] [00:39:20.23] these applications but what what it's showing me is that the administration [00:39:25.19] [00:39:25.19] even in the efforts to eradicate human trafficking which is pretty much a [00:39:30.15] [00:39:30.15] no-brainer from their point of view they're still [00:39:33.18] [00:39:33.18] putting up walls and they're making it hard for us to do our jobs [00:39:37.11] [00:39:37.11] so never did a really amazing job talking about sex trafficking in Atlanta [00:39:42.20] [00:39:42.20] and you know our migrant clients do suffer many of the same things that [00:39:47.18] [00:39:47.18] don't you know Deborah talked about they're in schools that are being [00:39:51.08] [00:39:51.08] trafficked by people that they know they're in vulnerable communities and so [00:39:56.19] [00:39:56.19] all of that remains the same the outcome is just you know or the the challenges [00:40:02.16] [00:40:02.16] and the barriers are just a little bit more because we're as advocates having a [00:40:06.23] [00:40:06.23] hard time reaching them like I mentioned but when I'm here to mainly talk to you [00:40:11.13] [00:40:11.13] about and professor naturally laid the groundwork for me is labor trafficking [00:40:16.01] [00:40:16.01] because that is something that I think you know we don't talk enough about [00:40:20.23] [00:40:20.23] we've talked a lot about sex trafficking because that is what is known and that [00:40:25.09] [00:40:25.09] is what is sexy you know and but we don't talk about they were trafficking [00:40:30.10] [00:40:30.10] because it's just such a vast problem that we don't even know how to talk [00:40:34.01] [00:40:34.01] about it sometimes so my my point of view is to talk about it so that we have [00:40:39.08] [00:40:39.08] some talking points and the reason why it's personally very important to me is [00:40:44.20] [00:40:44.20] that while I was in college when I was 20 years old I went to Rutgers [00:40:48.09] [00:40:48.09] University and I was a junior in college and I was you know you know born in the [00:40:54.12] [00:40:54.12] United States but from immigrant parents from India I was working one of my [00:40:59.02] [00:40:59.02] favorite jobs was working at an Indian restaurant I was the hostess and we [00:41:04.18] [00:41:04.18] worked with a lot of fun you know people from India in that restaurant what I [00:41:09.16] [00:41:09.16] didn't know at that time I didn't learn this until I was a lawyer in 2005 that [00:41:14.20] [00:41:14.20] everybody that I was working with was it in traffic I was working side-by-side in [00:41:20.15] [00:41:20.15] an Indian restaurant in New Jersey with victims of human trafficking and I had [00:41:25.04] [00:41:25.04] no idea so that's why for me it's very it's it's it's personally very near and [00:41:32.03] [00:41:32.03] dear to my heart because I want to educate others because here I am a [00:41:35.01] [00:41:35.01] social in minded person socially justice minded person and I had no idea you know [00:41:40.22] [00:41:40.22] when I was working and I'll tell you a little bit about the situation in under [00:41:44.05] [00:41:44.05] a minute but it was an Indian restaurant a really fancy one for an Indian [00:41:49.12] [00:41:49.12] restaurant it was one that people would take their dates to for you know New [00:41:53.03] [00:41:53.03] Year's for Valentine's Day I'm the food quality was amazing [00:41:57.04] [00:41:57.04] you know that was the one to go to we even catered my wedding food from there [00:42:01.09] [00:42:01.09] too but what I noticed at that time that I didn't let register was that wait a [00:42:06.23] [00:42:06.23] second why is everyone coming to the restaurant in one man why is the man [00:42:12.10] [00:42:12.10] outside in the back while everyone's still working why is everyone working [00:42:17.09] [00:42:17.09] really long hours why is you know you know why is everyone still remaining in [00:42:23.23] [00:42:23.23] the restaurant between the lunch and dinner shift and they take their break [00:42:27.07] [00:42:27.07] there by taking naps in the booths where everyone will later sit [00:42:32.03] [00:42:32.03] and then finally someone let it slip that immigration status was in limbo for [00:42:38.10] [00:42:38.10] everybody at the restaurant so all those signs were indicators to me and even if [00:42:43.17] [00:42:43.17] I were teaching someone I would say those are the signs that you would you [00:42:46.10] [00:42:46.10] should look for but I was 20 I had no idea and it wasn't until on 2005 when I [00:42:53.06] [00:42:53.06] was a lawyer and worked on a labor trafficking case where a princess had [00:42:57.18] [00:42:57.18] brought her two servants she was a Saudi Arabian princess she brought two [00:43:02.10] [00:43:02.10] indonesian servants from indonesia and she worked them super hard [00:43:07.01] [00:43:07.01] they had no she had taken their passport all their identification I think she had [00:43:12.18] [00:43:12.18] previously worked with them in Saudi Arabia so she had promised that a better [00:43:17.04] [00:43:17.04] pay better like if they were to follow her to the United States and take care [00:43:20.23] [00:43:20.23] of her and her five children and so they agreed because it was an opportunity for [00:43:25.23] [00:43:25.23] them to provide for their family back in Indonesia [00:43:29.06] [00:43:29.06] came here like I mentioned their passports were taken they were very long [00:43:33.01] [00:43:33.01] hours 18 hours a day seven days a week hardly any breaks they were not allowed [00:43:37.20] [00:43:37.20] to leave the house and when they did leave the house it was only with [00:43:40.22] [00:43:40.22] supervision and finally the neighbors noticed oh by the way they had to sleep [00:43:45.07] [00:43:45.07] in the garage and finally the neighbors notice what was going on which is how a [00:43:50.08] [00:43:50.08] lot of human trafficking cases are reported by Good Samaritans the [00:43:54.21] [00:43:54.21] neighbors notice what was going on alerted FBI the FBI did a raid and [00:43:58.19] [00:43:58.19] that's how that case came to you as an immigration lawyer seven years later [00:44:03.22] [00:44:03.22] after I had gotten my JD so for all those years I was in the dark claiming [00:44:09.08] [00:44:09.08] to know human trafficking but that's the case that really shifted my perspective [00:44:14.11] [00:44:14.11] I've worked on many sex trafficking cases as well and they're very similar [00:44:18.18] [00:44:18.18] to what Deborah described that the labor tribe [00:44:21.02] [00:44:21.02] the ones that I really want to get at so I'm you know dr. Rakesh mentioned that [00:44:26.08] [00:44:26.08] there are very many definitions of human trafficking this is the one that I use [00:44:29.20] [00:44:29.20] which is the trafficking Victims Protection Act which is a federal law [00:44:32.23] [00:44:32.23] here in the United States and it's the active recruiting harbouring [00:44:36.13] [00:44:36.13] transporting there's some of that in there well providing or obtaining a [00:44:42.05] [00:44:42.05] person for compelled labor or commercial sex acts through the use of force fraud [00:44:46.19] [00:44:46.19] or coercion whenever we have to show immigration you know USCIS if our victim [00:44:53.03] [00:44:53.03] was at was a victim of human trafficking the forest fraud and coercion is really [00:44:56.21] [00:44:56.21] important for us we have to show that they may have come to the United States [00:45:00.19] [00:45:00.19] knowing that you know they would be working you know that they may have come [00:45:05.23] [00:45:05.23] knowing that they were breaking laws coming undocumented into the United [00:45:11.03] [00:45:11.03] States but they thought they were working in a restaurant they didn't know [00:45:14.06] [00:45:14.06] that they would be worse than the prostitution are doing [00:45:17.01] [00:45:17.01] something against their will and that's where the poorest water conversion comes [00:45:20.15] [00:45:20.15] in you don't have to be traffic for the purpose of [00:45:24.06] [00:45:24.06] going to be doing human trafficking there are two types of human trafficking [00:45:31.14] [00:45:31.14] that we see very much of sex and labor and as mr. Akash mentioned [00:45:36.14] [00:45:36.14] labor trafficking is more significant in sex trafficking 22 percent of victims [00:45:41.12] [00:45:41.12] are sex trafficking which makes 78 percent victims of leisure travel so [00:45:47.18] [00:45:47.18] where it's a bigger population yet we're talking about it less yes and that's [00:45:53.07] [00:45:53.07] exactly why I'm here because we need to shift the conversation it's absolutely [00:45:58.13] [00:45:58.13] important to continue talking about sex trafficking but let's not forget about [00:46:02.12] [00:46:02.12] labor trafficking when we have these conversations [00:46:07.11] [00:46:07.16] where it is labor trafficking take place well I guarantee each and every one you [00:46:13.08] [00:46:13.08] have visited one of these industries do you go out to eat do you stay at hotels [00:46:19.06] [00:46:19.06] what about oranges or onions or any of those inner products you eat though is [00:46:24.07] [00:46:24.07] don't you and then manufacturing nail salons how [00:46:29.22] [00:46:29.22] many of us go to nail salons hair braiding salons we've worked on cases at [00:46:34.09] [00:46:34.09] gain in each and all of these industries massage parlors that's a big one here in [00:46:40.09] [00:46:40.09] Atlanta and then nannies are domestic servants in the home we have seen all of [00:46:46.09] [00:46:46.09] this this is where human trafficking is happening [00:46:49.04] [00:46:49.04] this is where all of you probably you know have some sort of connection I [00:46:54.12] [00:46:54.12] don't think anyone can say I don't go out to eat or I don't you know get my [00:46:59.18] [00:46:59.18] nails done or I don't you know have you know chicken or other food products this [00:47:07.05] [00:47:07.05] is where immigrants are mainly exploited who is a victim they were trafficking [00:47:14.05] [00:47:14.05] well it's both men and women right when you think of human trafficking you may [00:47:19.01] [00:47:19.01] think of women because it's probably the notion of sex trafficking but not only [00:47:23.06] [00:47:23.06] women are sex perfect young boys men as well and so that's why it's important to [00:47:28.21] [00:47:28.21] note that 50 and men are also labour traffic for 42% [00:47:34.18] [00:47:34.18] of women are our vegetable why men well it's because men often are the [00:47:39.11] [00:47:39.11] breadwinners of four families for immigrant families near the one to take [00:47:43.16] [00:47:43.16] the risk to maybe you know travel across the United States to take the job that [00:47:49.23] [00:47:49.23] sounds really good and that they're not sure [00:47:54.14] [00:47:55.02] this is this is another site that I really want to point out 56% of human [00:48:01.15] [00:48:01.15] trafficking victims are trafficked outside their country [00:48:04.22] [00:48:04.22] that's immigrants those are all immigrants 29% are traffic within their [00:48:10.14] [00:48:10.14] city and you know 15% are trapped within their own country but the 56% is a [00:48:17.23] [00:48:17.23] pretty staggering number to be taken across you know not just state lines but [00:48:23.04] [00:48:23.04] country lines to be trafficked and that's the population that we serve [00:48:26.20] [00:48:26.20] those are that are being taken advantage of why [00:48:31.14] [00:48:31.14] don't labor trafficking victims come forward will you had mentioned [00:48:34.12] [00:48:34.12] deportation right if you're undocumented you're vulnerable especially in the last [00:48:39.01] [00:48:39.01] two years you are vulnerable and you're not going to come forward and raise your [00:48:43.04] [00:48:43.04] hand and say this atrocity is happening so oftentimes immigrants don't know how [00:48:48.15] [00:48:48.15] to combine what well there's no 911 s you know so they don't know who to call [00:48:53.11] [00:48:53.11] who to go to for help and that's where good Samaritans are really important [00:48:57.16] [00:48:57.16] even when you know trafficking victims come forward they may not be eligible to [00:49:03.17] [00:49:03.17] certain protections and that's what the traffickers tell them the traffickers [00:49:07.13] [00:49:07.13] tell them endlessly ahead call you know we don't care look where you're going to [00:49:12.09] [00:49:12.09] be you're gonna end up in jail and so that's why people who don't speak the [00:49:16.23] [00:49:16.23] language know the laws can't even understand that a court will help them [00:49:21.09] [00:49:21.09] because it doesn't happen in their home countries remain in those situations and [00:49:26.14] [00:49:26.14] also in order to cross borders there's a lot of a lot of debts involved you may [00:49:32.09] [00:49:32.09] pay a smuggler twelve thousand dollars to get to the United [00:49:36.16] [00:49:36.16] and so that's why those victims have to be in their situations in order to pay [00:49:41.04] [00:49:41.04] back that debt and the debt is not easily pay back it's not like okay there [00:49:45.13] [00:49:45.13] you go you're earning $15 an hour and you've paid back your debt [00:49:49.12] [00:49:49.12] try earn try paying back a $12,000 debts owed you know earning $1 an hour and [00:49:55.03] [00:49:55.03] then having fees taken out for room and board have you please taken out for your [00:50:00.14] [00:50:00.14] uniform that you wear and then having fees taken out for medical and by the [00:50:05.02] [00:50:05.02] way they're not really good let's be real but they say so why I [00:50:11.17] [00:50:11.17] guess human traffic we've talked about this Deborah have [00:50:15.04] [00:50:15.04] mentioned this as well what minute I'm gonna talk really really fast [00:50:19.10] [00:50:19.10] human trafficking happens because of supply limit it's simply that right the [00:50:24.21] [00:50:24.21] supply is what dr. Peston vulnerable communities you know people [00:50:29.19] [00:50:29.19] from poor neighborhoods who don't have access to education who don't have [00:50:34.21] [00:50:34.21] access to a better life immigrants right now that is why that [00:50:39.13] [00:50:39.13] there that is why there's a supply dr. cash really went into that well so uh [00:50:43.10] [00:50:43.10] you know not talking about it too much but the demand for labor trafficking [00:50:47.20] [00:50:47.20] we are the different we have to be the ones each and every one of us in this [00:50:51.11] [00:50:51.11] room you know even though we're all you know great like-minded people we do you [00:50:56.02] [00:50:56.02] know maybe go to McDonald's we do you know shop at places that we don't know [00:51:01.03] [00:51:01.03] where the food and clothing and everything else come from so we need to [00:51:05.03] [00:51:05.03] watch our own spending habits and our own purchasing power and make sure that [00:51:09.09] [00:51:09.09] the industries we support like doctor Rakesh said [00:51:13.02] [00:51:13.02] is not fueled by the amount of goods for human travel [00:51:17.23] [00:51:17.23] what can we do so there are two because I'm at Georgia Tech right now and in a [00:51:24.05] [00:51:24.05] scholarly face there are two paradigms that I quickly want to breeze through [00:51:27.18] [00:51:27.18] the human rights paradigm and then there's the labor paradigm right now [00:51:32.05] [00:51:32.05] we're in the human rights paradigm response level what we're doing is we [00:51:38.00] [00:51:38.00] see a victim we help that victim and then we provide services or as Deborah [00:51:43.23] [00:51:43.23] said we also try to you know flush out the traffickers because that's where you [00:51:49.16] [00:51:49.16] think if you flush out one traffic there will then they're rescuing on your [00:51:52.13] [00:51:52.13] victims however when you're trying to go one by one and rescue one by one you're [00:51:58.16] [00:51:58.16] saying you have a big impact that you really actually may not be and you're [00:52:02.02] [00:52:02.02] just kind of you know rescuing and then moving on are we really taking care of [00:52:07.11] [00:52:07.11] the systemic issues that are causing human trafficking probably not so [00:52:12.13] [00:52:12.13] another scholar has said well we need to shift more towards the labor paradigm [00:52:16.07] [00:52:16.07] which is causing putting the power in individuals to advocate for themselves [00:52:22.02] [00:52:22.02] it's kind of like what unions did back in the day right but that is also tough [00:52:27.15] [00:52:27.15] because if you're asking someone who's who has no you know power to advocate [00:52:33.03] [00:52:33.03] for themselves that's not really gonna happen and so my response is you need to [00:52:38.20] [00:52:38.20] have a hybrid boat you need to rescue those victims but you also need to take [00:52:42.23] [00:52:42.23] care of the systemic issues and making sure that we're treating the root cause [00:52:48.03] [00:52:48.03] of human trafficking and recognizing first hand that if there's an earthquake [00:52:51.23] [00:52:51.23] in Haiti or a hurricane or whatever natural disaster there is you know that [00:52:56.22] [00:52:56.22] there's going to be orphans you know that they're going to be vulnerable [00:52:59.14] [00:52:59.14] let's hit that problem first here are the differences between the both [00:53:05.06] [00:53:05.06] paradigms and you know both are a little bit different but I think that a hybrid [00:53:09.17] [00:53:09.17] of both can help solve the problem of human trafficking and then finally there [00:53:16.09] [00:53:16.09] is hope there is this wonderful organization called coalition of [00:53:20.01] [00:53:20.01] Immokalee Workers in Florida that did take the power into their own hands and [00:53:24.08] [00:53:24.08] fought for the same rights the same you know employment rights that other people [00:53:30.06] [00:53:30.06] had and they were able to ship their situation [00:53:34.06] [00:53:34.06] and if you have time just remember this I urge you to go to their website [00:53:38.00] [00:53:38.00] because that is really an example of good work being done in the labor [00:53:43.22] [00:53:43.22] trafficking field right now and if you see someone you know I talked about this [00:53:50.20] [00:53:50.20] if you see someone who is a victim of human trafficking labor trafficking sex [00:53:54.10] [00:53:54.10] trafficking these are two well the first one players [00:53:58.04] [00:53:58.04] project I really urge you to track their number because they have connections [00:54:02.03] [00:54:02.03] with law enforcement to go ahead and investigate this should be on your phone [00:54:06.02] [00:54:06.02] contacts you know because don't be like me I was working side by side with [00:54:10.10] [00:54:10.10] victims of human trafficking and I had no idea if you see something say [00:54:14.02] [00:54:14.02] something and they have the you know connections to work with local law [00:54:18.20] [00:54:18.20] enforcement and I think for our own purchasing power it's important to go to [00:54:22.18] [00:54:22.18] slavery but footprint at work and see how many goods and services that we buy [00:54:27.17] [00:54:27.17] that had been made by victims of human trafficking [00:54:31.20] [00:54:32.13] thank you [00:54:38.23] [00:54:42.10] I've been a parent you should really welcome professor Bob spires to speak he [00:54:49.13] [00:54:49.13] will be presenting an assistant professor of education leadership and [00:54:53.03] [00:54:53.03] Policy Studies in these school professional and continued studies [00:54:57.08] [00:54:57.08] mr. Richman for that he was here monthly reminding fellows to State University in [00:55:05.00] [00:55:05.00] Georgia and he would be talking about preventing human trafficking lessons [00:55:10.02] [00:55:10.02] from Thailand so my background is that I was a public school teacher in Athens [00:55:15.12] [00:55:15.12] for many years and was actually drawn to the topic of human trafficking because [00:55:20.14] [00:55:20.14] of the Immokalee Workers reading some of those stories and federal cases that [00:55:26.09] [00:55:26.09] were actually related to trafficking of immigrants in the United States and so I [00:55:31.20] [00:55:31.20] had an opportunity to study human trafficking in Thailand and that's where [00:55:36.05] [00:55:36.05] I ended up doing my dissertation research and I continued to do research [00:55:40.06] [00:55:40.06] with nonprofits in Thailand Cambodia and elsewhere with nonprofits that use [00:55:47.09] [00:55:47.09] education to address human trafficking particularly with with survivors and so [00:55:53.20] [00:55:53.20] one of the things that really stood out to me immediately coming from the deep [00:55:58.09] [00:55:58.09] south and recognizing some of the same kinds of issues in Thailand was that [00:56:05.08] [00:56:05.08] although some of the things relating to trafficking and Thailand have a sort of [00:56:09.17] [00:56:09.17] a different veneer there are a lot of common threads to what happens to fold [00:56:16.13] [00:56:16.13] herbal people around the world and that a lot of those same common things that [00:56:22.09] [00:56:22.09] that arise are not going to be particularly surprising to you in the [00:56:26.21] [00:56:26.21] Atlanta area and so so I kind of tease out some of those be [00:56:32.04] [00:56:32.04] and and how we've kind of gotten ourselves into the situation that we're [00:56:37.11] [00:56:37.11] in right now with this topic Athena's trafficking [00:56:40.11] [00:56:40.11] and so uh Thailand is a particularly interesting place because within that [00:56:47.10] [00:56:47.10] sort of Southeast Asian part of the world it's sort of the most developed [00:56:53.13] [00:56:53.13] economy and it's surrounded by much less developed neighbors it's got an [00:56:58.08] [00:56:58.08] extremely long border with Myanmar Laos Cambodia and Malaysia and along that [00:57:05.13] [00:57:05.13] border you have massive numbers of migrants who are crossing an extremely [00:57:11.19] [00:57:11.19] long border difficult patrol and so forth unlike a lot of the trafficking [00:57:17.06] [00:57:17.06] victims that we see in the United States who come with passports and have those [00:57:20.14] [00:57:20.14] confiscated many of these don't even have passports to start with because to [00:57:25.10] [00:57:25.10] even have a passport means you have several hundred dollars to be able to [00:57:31.04] [00:57:31.04] come to an immigration office and give that paperwork these people are starting [00:57:36.13] [00:57:36.13] at a much much more disadvantaged position and so you see massive numbers [00:57:42.11] [00:57:42.11] of informal migrants crossing into Thailand crossing back and those [00:57:47.18] [00:57:47.18] patterns go back hundreds of years right that families generations of people have [00:57:54.11] [00:57:54.11] crowd across those borders migrating for work and back for a long time and so the [00:58:02.00] [00:58:02.00] kind of modern conception of sort of national boundaries and things are [00:58:08.00] [00:58:08.00] overlaid on top of a much longer history of [00:58:13.18] [00:58:13.18] and things have kind of changed particularly in Thailand and part of it [00:58:19.14] [00:58:19.14] we have done it to Thailand that the United States the State Department had [00:58:25.11] [00:58:25.11] started in the early 2000 and something called the trafficking in persons report [00:58:29.11] [00:58:29.11] and each year they monitor all the countries on earth and they give them a [00:58:36.12] [00:58:36.12] grade they give them a tiered grade and so if you're one of the worst there [00:58:41.06] [00:58:41.06] might even be some sanctions and so Thailand has always kind of been [00:58:46.08] [00:58:46.08] problematic the United States has always kind of had its eye on Thailand and it's [00:58:52.04] [00:58:52.04] been getting low rankings for quite a while well in 2014 the military took [00:58:56.09] [00:58:56.09] over the government and worried about looking bad in the eyes of the United [00:59:00.20] [00:59:00.20] States and world global trade and all those things they decided well we know [00:59:06.13] [00:59:06.13] what we can do about human trafficking we can clamp down on those undocumented [00:59:11.10] [00:59:11.10] immigrants that are all over our country doing the vast majority of the manual [00:59:15.15] [00:59:15.15] labor which they did and so along with going around and rounding up the these [00:59:23.18] [00:59:23.18] these laborers in the sex industry in agriculture in domestic working [00:59:29.15] [00:59:29.15] construction they also helped to sort of stir anti-immigrant sentiments across [00:59:36.12] [00:59:36.12] the entire country that the reason we get this bad reputation in the eyes of [00:59:42.08] [00:59:42.08] the West is because of these immigrants who keep coming and taking our jobs and [00:59:47.17] [00:59:47.17] that sort of that sound familiar anybody heard those [00:59:50.16] [00:59:50.16] kinds of death not particularly surprising and a very effective [00:59:55.04] [00:59:55.04] unfortunately a very effective strategy that that these these people who are [01:00:02.12] [01:00:02.12] essentially driving the foundation of the economy in Thailand and we're [01:00:07.05] [01:00:07.05] essential to really rising it up to such a powerful economic engine in its region [01:00:12.21] [01:00:12.21] are now also sort of demonized which is which is sad right and then so when you [01:00:22.00] [01:00:22.00] start unpacking the industries in Thailand that are really huge industries [01:00:27.12] [01:00:27.12] I mean tile is one of the world's largest producers of rice largest [01:00:31.08] [01:00:31.08] producers of shrimp of massive massive economic contributions most of those [01:00:37.18] [01:00:37.18] industries depend on undocumented workers and why you may ask well because [01:00:43.17] [01:00:43.17] you can pay undocumented workers lathis right and they won't go to the [01:00:49.02] [01:00:49.02] authorities if you tell them I decided to pay you half what I promised you or [01:00:53.17] [01:00:53.17] you know what I'm not paying you anything today and good luck figuring [01:00:57.09] [01:00:57.09] that out yourself if you don't like it I've got somebody waiting for you [01:01:01.08] [01:01:01.08] waiting waiting right behind you to do the same job and so this intense [01:01:05.19] [01:01:05.19] exploitation was was ramped up not decreased it was ramped up in in [01:01:12.14] [01:01:12.14] Thailand after this really negative attitude and environment around the [01:01:19.17] [01:01:19.17] immigrant population so all of a sudden massive numbers of Cambodians were were [01:01:27.06] [01:01:27.06] deported across the border to in Cambodia massive numbers of Laos and [01:01:34.19] [01:01:34.19] massive numbers of Burmese and deported across the border that isn't particular [01:01:41.23] [01:01:41.23] is extremely porous murder so oftentimes the people who were deported by the end [01:01:48.18] [01:01:48.18] of the day maybe by the end of the week back in those same jobs and actually [01:01:53.23] [01:01:53.23] actively recruited by their previous employers oftentimes who might have an [01:01:58.12] [01:01:58.12] agent of a labor broker who's literally waiting on the other side of the border [01:02:02.22] [01:02:02.22] for them to get off of a truck and say we got you a job just hop in hop in in [01:02:07.01] [01:02:07.01] let's go and so we have this sort of international influence on policy that [01:02:14.08] [01:02:14.08] in my own mind is not intended to be manipulated in the way it is I think in [01:02:21.13] [01:02:21.13] general the is meant to be well may need to try to solve problems of exploitation [01:02:27.14] [01:02:27.14] but what we've seen is death sometimes those policies get manipulated by [01:02:32.19] [01:02:32.19] powerful by the powerful and while on the fourth on the front on the veneer it [01:02:41.01] [01:02:41.01] might appear that it's designed to help those people who are vulnerable in [01:02:45.12] [01:02:45.12] reality it actually causes more problems for those people you're trying to help [01:02:50.00] [01:02:50.00] and so you see a really big influence essentially from the west and from the [01:02:54.21] [01:02:54.21] powerful Eastern Asian countries and you see it really driven by these sort of [01:03:01.10] [01:03:01.10] big global ideas of train right then Thailand's making decisions not because [01:03:07.00] [01:03:07.00] they're worried about you know helping my phone Herbal migrants but because [01:03:11.15] [01:03:11.15] they want to raise their rankings economically they want more foreign [01:03:15.06] [01:03:15.06] investment and we see the same thing happening here in the [01:03:18.10] [01:03:18.10] takes the Immokalee Workers are a great example of that that essentially Delonte [01:03:24.05] [01:03:24.05] and major corporations major agribusiness were recruiting actively [01:03:29.05] [01:03:29.05] look us and lots of people and treating them very badly and only when lots of [01:03:34.15] [01:03:34.15] negative press and lots and lots of pressure to do the right thing did they [01:03:41.07] [01:03:41.07] actually change their model and start having things like you know safe foods [01:03:46.17] [01:03:46.17] foods that are free of slave labor and these kinds of things so we see this [01:03:50.14] [01:03:50.14] playing out in Thailand as well and then what we also see is over the last 10 [01:03:57.07] [01:03:57.07] years we have seen dramatic wealth inequality right we've seen those those [01:04:02.11] [01:04:02.11] distances just dramatically grow and what do you think comes along with that [01:04:06.23] [01:04:06.23] in the world of human trafficking trafficking exploitation directors right [01:04:12.14] [01:04:12.14] you have larger differences between these powerful people at the time and [01:04:17.05] [01:04:17.05] massive numbers of vulnerable people at the bottom who have less and less and [01:04:21.04] [01:04:21.04] less and less that's a lot of people to exploit and it's built in unfortunately [01:04:27.02] [01:04:27.02] to a lot of the things that we do that we take for granted and so what we end [01:04:31.10] [01:04:31.10] up doing then and we see it in a lot of these policies because these definitions [01:04:35.16] [01:04:35.16] are vain right we have a hard time transitioning the definitions from [01:04:40.12] [01:04:40.12] Atlanta to Thailand to Ghana that we didn't up inadvertently blaming the [01:04:47.10] [01:04:47.10] actual victim we avoid the structural explanations which are large numbers of [01:04:55.00] [01:04:55.00] people are increasingly becoming vulnerable to exploitation increasingly [01:05:00.12] [01:05:00.12] desperate and increasingly willing to take risk to survive which is what [01:05:06.18] [01:05:06.18] the point you made and that we seemed massive amounts of investment going into [01:05:13.02] [01:05:13.02] the anti-trafficking sectors across the world with very little to show for it [01:05:19.18] [01:05:19.18] there are massive organizations with billions of dollars just in Thailand [01:05:26.05] [01:05:26.05] alone and the number of trafficking visas granted to actual victims is [01:05:34.07] [01:05:34.07] staggeringly low from the amount of money that is invested and I think that [01:05:38.10] [01:05:38.10] we would probably say the same thing about the United States right now that [01:05:41.23] [01:05:41.23] millions if not billions I think the president just approved 300 something [01:05:47.22] [01:05:47.22] million to go into the anti-trafficking sector and probably the last couple of [01:05:53.23] [01:05:53.23] years you might have a couple of hundred trafficking visas nationwide that's a [01:05:58.09] [01:05:58.09] lot of money for very little to show for it and so what we end up do seeing is [01:06:05.05] [01:06:05.05] this athlete this is great how we've kind of put this and we flowed through [01:06:09.10] [01:06:09.10] our topics or something we've all builds upon each other and this anti [01:06:12.23] [01:06:12.23] trafficking paradigm has really negatively influenced what we we all [01:06:18.04] [01:06:18.04] want to be helping vulnerable people right if well leading people that are [01:06:24.08] [01:06:24.08] doing really good work and they're being undermined by some of these paradigms [01:06:29.09] [01:06:29.09] that have really caused the message to be misinterpreted misuse one of those is [01:06:36.19] [01:06:36.19] that there there has been a real influence from the donor driven [01:06:40.16] [01:06:40.16] perspective that the donor makes the decisions as to what really needs to be [01:06:45.05] [01:06:45.05] done for trafficking victims and vulnerable people rather than the people [01:06:49.03] [01:06:49.03] that are actually in the field working on these issues at the local level right [01:06:53.04] [01:06:53.04] so organizations are constantly trying to chase the money in order to do work [01:06:58.15] [01:06:58.15] that they know they need to do and they don't get to make the decisions they [01:07:02.20] [01:07:02.20] really know her right because they're there their decision-making abilities [01:07:06.08] [01:07:06.08] are very limiting minutes we see a lot of Western bias and it's not just the [01:07:12.05] [01:07:12.05] West in terms of Europe and the United States but also even powerful Asian [01:07:18.03] [01:07:18.03] countries very very developed countries in China increasingly so has that has a [01:07:23.13] [01:07:23.13] great influence in fluence and the rest of the world on what this looks like [01:07:28.16] [01:07:28.16] dude who's who's benefiting and who's determining who the victims are we see [01:07:34.08] [01:07:34.08] sensationalization of it that misses the point that things like sex trafficking [01:07:40.15] [01:07:40.15] are absolutely happening but it probably doesn't look exactly like the way it's [01:07:45.23] [01:07:45.23] portrayed in the media on a CNN documentary on these big expose is it's [01:07:52.15] [01:07:52.15] probably a little bit more real than we would like to admit it probably looks a [01:07:57.10] [01:07:57.10] lot more like some of the people in the restaurant that we're eating in tonight [01:08:01.06] [01:08:01.06] for dinner than it does sort of take it right take it it's not particularly [01:08:06.22] [01:08:06.22] representative of what's happening to exploit people around the world [01:08:11.09] [01:08:11.09] oversimplification that these things are apartheid to sort of black and white [01:08:16.00] [01:08:16.00] issues so this is if this person hadn't come across the [01:08:20.20] [01:08:20.20] border without a passport this wouldn't have happened it's it's a little bit [01:08:24.22] [01:08:24.22] more gray than that right and then what we ended up doing inadvertently and I [01:08:30.04] [01:08:30.04] think well-meaning people end up including myself right we end up falling [01:08:34.10] [01:08:34.10] into this trap by the end of the day our decisions end up taking agency away from [01:08:40.22] [01:08:40.22] the people that we want to help including young you know young people [01:08:44.05] [01:08:44.05] who maybe are cysts are so vulnerable and in such need that they're willing to [01:08:49.21] [01:08:49.21] go and prostitute themselves because they can't survive we end up punishing [01:08:54.22] [01:08:54.22] them as as as a criminal rather than coming up with structures and systems [01:08:59.22] [01:08:59.22] that help them and so it's really an attitudinal issue across society it's [01:09:06.04] [01:09:06.04] not just the United States but we have it in Thailand as well the same sorts of [01:09:10.08] [01:09:10.08] attitudes towards victims come out in those contexts as well and then really [01:09:19.18] [01:09:19.18] the kind of zero in on your last point there was that we really just don't have [01:09:24.23] [01:09:24.23] a great handle on what trafficking looks like what the numbers really are we see [01:09:31.16] [01:09:31.16] a lot of the same numbers and you mentioned the those millions those [01:09:37.02] [01:09:37.02] numbers kind of get copied and pasted without a lot of really reliable [01:09:42.17] [01:09:42.17] research being done on the ground and so what we end up seeing then is that those [01:09:49.21] [01:09:49.21] numbers and not actually addressing the real issues it's not about it ends up [01:09:56.01] [01:09:56.01] not being about trying to figure out where our vulnerable people so that we [01:10:00.05] [01:10:00.05] can tell them it ends up being sort of co-opted and misused as a surveillance [01:10:06.18] [01:10:06.18] opportunity to say oh well if if there are a lot of potential victims there [01:10:12.06] [01:10:12.06] then that might mean we've got a lot of people we can round up and depart right [01:10:16.08] [01:10:16.08] and so those those things get manipulated in unintentionally or maybe [01:10:21.08] [01:10:21.08] intentionally and so that's something that we really have to fight that that [01:10:26.01] [01:10:26.01] those those numbers those those numbers those pieces of data that are being used [01:10:31.17] [01:10:31.17] can be misused and we have to really really pay close attention to that so [01:10:37.12] [01:10:37.12] what needs to be done I have my suggestion is that we've got to focus on [01:10:44.04] [01:10:44.04] the routine reducing vulnerability okay of merchandise produce how you do that [01:10:50.09] [01:10:50.09] it's a laundry list right and any place that's a good place to start good places [01:10:56.16] [01:10:56.16] there that I work by Cambodia food insecurity lack of access to jobs right [01:11:02.19] [01:11:02.19] these are a lot a lot less sexy topics though these are hard things to do and [01:11:07.23] [01:11:07.23] they are the things that actually reduce human trafficking right increase freedom [01:11:15.06] [01:11:15.06] for people that can't find a word in their community to be able to move to a [01:11:20.01] [01:11:20.01] place where they could find work right and reduce the criminalization of those [01:11:25.02] [01:11:25.02] people that are exploited we're seeing some movement in that but it's not a lot [01:11:28.21] [01:11:28.21] of large scale wide scale enough improve access to education for all kids right [01:11:34.22] [01:11:34.22] no matter where they came from and no matter where they're going education [01:11:39.08] [01:11:39.08] should be an absolute right for everyone in every pocket settings increased job [01:11:45.13] [01:11:45.13] training for adult because what we end up seeing is people [01:11:48.12] [01:11:48.12] that are stuck in these sectors and they don't have skills to get themselves out [01:11:52.12] [01:11:52.12] if we truly want to help them and really root remove vulnerability then offer [01:11:58.01] [01:11:58.01] them opportunities to get out of those sectors and then in places like [01:12:02.22] [01:12:02.22] Southeast Asia things like even lands in here people that maybe have lived on [01:12:08.21] [01:12:08.21] land for years and years and they don't have they don't have money to go you [01:12:12.17] [01:12:12.17] know a lawyer to draw up land contracts so in that context it's a little [01:12:17.19] [01:12:17.19] different than the United States but but it is something that is a whole lot less [01:12:22.15] [01:12:22.15] sexy and CNN is probably not going to do a documentary on you know improving [01:12:26.21] [01:12:26.21] foods and insecurity but it's something that would actually reduce trafficking [01:12:32.10] [01:12:32.10] so that's that's my schpeel minutes for Q&A before we start that I wanted to [01:12:45.17] [01:12:45.17] make two announcements on better hopefully I'm interested on this room [01:12:50.05] [01:12:50.05] first of all this level studies Institute [01:12:53.08] [01:12:53.08] Center for Latin American and Latino latina studies at Georgia State [01:12:57.03] [01:12:57.03] University this summer is trying to put together a research group focused on to [01:13:02.22] [01:13:02.22] the trafficking so during lunch break after the session if you want to know [01:13:07.22] [01:13:07.22] more about that please reach out to me and I can help put you in touch with [01:13:11.18] [01:13:11.18] that group second the Global Studies Institute next year we'll be having as [01:13:17.06] [01:13:17.06] opposed to this seminar series with three to four seminar meetings across [01:13:21.18] [01:13:21.18] the academic here focused on trafficking broadly not only human trafficking but [01:13:26.06] [01:13:26.06] all forms of trafficking so also if you're interested in that let me know [01:13:30.08] [01:13:30.08] and I can put you on the mailing list or at seminar so what I want to suggest [01:13:35.00] [01:13:35.00] since we're short on time let's take a collection of five questions and then [01:13:39.18] [01:13:39.18] give people a chance to respond I'm not when we can get more of you [01:13:43.05] [01:13:43.05] involved in the conversation [01:13:46.23] [01:13:47.14] and when you have a question yourself you are great [01:13:52.14] [01:13:54.21] yes I'm Sam meters or such eh - every found so legalizing prostitution is [01:14:01.12] [01:14:01.12] kinda like a hot topic solution but yeah I radical articles but of experts with [01:14:07.18] [01:14:07.18] that help well how would that work both in the US and globally [01:14:12.13] [01:14:12.13] great question let's put some more questions and we have others [01:14:17.17] [01:14:18.13] and on average under detect actually my is why he history National Science [01:14:26.16] [01:14:26.16] Foundation and said to program on stop right by chain that works in shades so [01:14:36.12] [01:14:36.12] 32-man Technic is a good topic and about the phone spectrum the medical [01:14:41.18] [01:14:41.18] perspective would you like to share all my expertise a [01:14:46.17] [01:14:46.17] that's great and what is the current NSF any meters that's F which you saw all [01:14:52.22] [01:14:52.22] four and here he was free shots margination piece of to say okay [01:14:58.20] [01:15:00.11] anyone else wanna make a contribution for bats [01:15:05.15] [01:15:05.15] I just had a question and this may be drilled into all of these different [01:15:09.23] [01:15:09.23] forms [01:15:12.04] [01:15:13.17] how did things change when the you know and like is bad a point of [01:15:19.19] [01:15:19.19] intervention or turn in and are there great [01:15:28.05] [01:15:30.07] debut Larkin from wild college my question was centered around [01:15:35.09] [01:15:35.09] music started the king will mentor it [01:15:40.00] [01:15:40.01] in terms like each attendant said account before life nor the Super Bowl [01:15:43.21] [01:15:43.21] have certain materials okay any of us questions of right [01:15:51.17] [01:15:51.17] okay great should we go in the order okay [01:15:58.10] [01:15:58.10] okay yeah so far they want to chat with soap as well so the opposition people [01:16:04.07] [01:16:04.07] have been taking people j-term how to the dimensions where position is [01:16:07.19] [01:16:07.19] realized that I think like perhaps such a mostly in countries which have either [01:16:17.08] [01:16:17.08] so I think we will have to really consider countries where position is [01:16:20.23] [01:16:20.23] legal and that is way too smart and then see but I don't think they law changes [01:16:28.04] [01:16:28.04] in crime hospital traffic no I don't explosion that so if men [01:16:33.15] [01:16:33.15] still ones activist touching a fortune they will still do that so that the law [01:16:39.15] [01:16:39.15] says no it's Ildiko or whether in some places below say you know on reference [01:16:47.04] [01:16:47.04] of the different so I didn't know that Rhonda had this question is to do is put [01:16:51.13] [01:16:51.13] them on some basis everything that we just need to be revised constitution [01:16:55.11] [01:16:55.11] trying countries for Pacific where positions lead is gonna go like this is [01:17:01.22] [01:17:01.22] also trafficking from Eastern Europe to question you can countries so I don't [01:17:06.22] [01:17:06.22] know I don't know that forget solution I think it should be something that I [01:17:10.01] [01:17:10.01] would if not what to happen I think they are linked to the other mechanisms put [01:17:14.04] [01:17:14.04] in place as well that just whatnot and because Monica is a law I think [01:17:21.04] [01:17:21.06] we have uh you know when I between human trafficking class at their policy we [01:17:25.02] [01:17:25.02] have a whole class office and so there's been an amnesty international important [01:17:29.06] [01:17:29.06] without saying legalize prostitution that will eradicate human trafficking [01:17:32.19] [01:17:32.19] and that gained a lot of traction but then there were countered or I'm studies [01:17:36.22] [01:17:36.22] done showing that you're not really do you know legalizing prostitution doesn't [01:17:42.06] [01:17:42.06] it doesn't erase it what it's doing is pushing it underground and you're having [01:17:47.01] [01:17:47.01] more dangerous forms of human trafficking kind of bubble underneath [01:17:50.21] [01:17:50.21] ground you know like you may have you know worst forms are great you know [01:17:55.15] [01:17:55.15] other really you know difficult types of you know human trafficking to uncover [01:18:00.18] [01:18:00.18] you know types of abuses uncover and so just as the professor [01:18:06.07] [01:18:06.07] said that you're going to go ahead and legalize prostitution you have to do it [01:18:11.01] [01:18:11.01] in a way where you're still monitoring and there have to be some certain [01:18:15.15] [01:18:15.15] monitors and place right it's like a hybrid approach and so [01:18:21.06] [01:18:21.06] that you know my closer but that's not even so perfect [01:18:26.15] [01:18:26.15] yeah my answer is no no no no no number one [01:18:31.16] [01:18:31.16] our work is focused on children [01:18:36.14] [01:18:38.10] it's time into the caravan modification [01:18:44.00] [01:18:45.02] No [01:18:48.02] [01:18:48.16] having her body and not [01:18:54.07] [01:18:55.12] I would say that I'm I'm kind of in the middle I'm a workers rights person so [01:19:00.15] [01:19:00.15] I've spoken with sex workers professional sex workers in in Thailand [01:19:04.05] [01:19:04.05] who actually want they're glad that it's legalized there it's a way that they can [01:19:09.08] [01:19:09.08] make a living they can make much more money for their children multiple [01:19:14.12] [01:19:14.12] children taking care of parents and things back in their village and it's [01:19:18.13] [01:19:18.13] it's fairly regulated in the legal side of it but trafficking goes on in extreme [01:19:24.19] [01:19:24.19] cases in Thailand outside of the purview so absolutely manipulation of young [01:19:30.17] [01:19:30.17] people still happens and manipulation of adults and if I can add one of the [01:19:36.19] [01:19:36.19] primary places for trafficking or where legal and illegal sex work connects is [01:19:45.13] [01:19:45.13] at legal is this just in labor trafficking culture illustrates well [01:19:49.12] [01:19:49.12] nail salons that have traffic labor inside the operators legal businesses [01:19:54.11] [01:19:54.11] just as strip clubs that are operating illegal places those are places where [01:19:59.06] [01:19:59.06] buyers go to camp out at illegal or semi-legal [01:20:04.09] [01:20:04.09] or gray areas sort of sex as well it's a comfort [01:20:12.08] [01:20:12.19] oh yeah the internet gap so I spent six years of 19 years [01:20:19.13] [01:20:21.13] within the United States services class communication that because that was [01:20:27.00] [01:20:27.00] formed when [01:20:29.20] [01:20:30.07] an internet site [01:20:33.18] [01:20:33.19] and that was to protect me a little bit yeah [01:20:37.22] [01:20:37.22] and so being you begin to have use it on those sites like maximum quits was back [01:20:42.18] [01:20:42.18] page which asks that we need to so table I began [01:20:49.01] [01:20:49.01] that day it was custom for the channel the family faces [01:20:56.01] [01:20:56.01] that makes about sales part of a coalition that was [01:21:03.04] [01:21:03.10] quicks this cop I mean back [01:21:08.13] [01:21:08.21] and now a year ago back pages now that would accept that but they taking it all [01:21:13.11] [01:21:13.11] off short and so there [01:21:17.04] [01:21:18.04] but yes online activity is both sexes but also traffic we're talking about [01:21:24.10] [01:21:24.10] there's a website called rough maps don't go into the second you type in [01:21:28.18] [01:21:28.18] where you are like Midtown Atlanta [01:21:32.15] [01:21:32.19] listen massage Braille and even good ratings and image to tell you who to ask [01:21:36.21] [01:21:36.21] or even or some kind of sex so yeah [01:21:41.02] [01:21:42.20] Southeast Asia its spent doesn't need to be VPNs very upfront and open sex [01:21:50.15] [01:21:50.15] tourist websites and most of the which come from the West North America [01:21:56.14] [01:21:56.14] especially with very frank discussions about where to go and what to get so it [01:22:03.22] [01:22:03.22] is certainly ramped up aspects of trafficking [01:22:09.10] [01:22:09.10] it made it very easy [01:22:13.00] [01:22:21.23] so I just want to dry out one theme that everyone touched on in different ways [01:22:26.08] [01:22:26.08] but the links between buyers and our personal responsibilities and [01:22:32.00] [01:22:32.00] involvement in these illicit networks and Bob mentioned the shrimp and fishing [01:22:39.00] [01:22:39.00] industries in Thailand me one of the primary places where traffic flavour is [01:22:43.01] [01:22:43.01] used and those products are sold and primarily by Americans I know but I need [01:22:52.08] [01:22:52.08] insure coming from Thailand I've done my best to reduce my [01:22:56.15] [01:22:56.15] consumption of it but there has been a movement a group that worked with [01:23:02.13] [01:23:02.13] liberty share has worked with Thomas Reuters to create this global program [01:23:08.02] [01:23:08.02] where you have if you do suspect an organization is is involving slave labor [01:23:13.16] [01:23:13.16] you can report it to Thomas graters world Tech and they all do their due [01:23:18.02] [01:23:18.02] diligence because they don't want that those banks don't want to be associated [01:23:21.04] [01:23:21.04] with something money that would be used for those things but it's certainly not [01:23:25.10] [01:23:25.10] a one one-size-fits-all solution into you [01:23:30.20] [01:23:31.03] that talentless yes we can first [01:23:36.19] [01:23:37.18] and of kirameki breaking is that making break-in heads [01:23:42.01] [01:23:42.01] sanction of better product and aunt audacity to put out any [01:23:46.03] [01:23:46.03] articles Europe when exploring facility customers [01:23:53.10] [01:23:53.10] it contains everybody has [01:23:58.15] [01:24:03.03] and the labor trafficking issue there are organizations that will certify [01:24:09.03] [01:24:09.03] certain tribes to be free of traffic flavor and in slave labor and so that is [01:24:14.15] [01:24:14.15] one way you can use now your money to vote for what you want in terms of labor [01:24:20.02] [01:24:20.02] conditions globally and ecology at Trader Joe's [01:24:24.01] [01:24:24.01] chains [01:24:26.17] [01:24:26.18] the fair trade everything in their stores is their training [01:24:31.20] [01:24:32.09] almost all of Walmart's burgers insurance comes from the east side of [01:24:41.07] [01:24:41.07] Thailand [01:24:44.07] [01:24:46.19] additional questions about this commercial or more in Houston [01:24:50.14] [01:24:50.14] okay there's this myth the Super Bowl Drive sex trap you've heard me say [01:24:54.23] [01:24:54.23] earlier [01:24:57.08] [01:24:57.20] now underground [01:25:00.23] [01:25:02.11] now any large [01:25:07.05] [01:25:09.17] but I was training women in Travis culture convention 30,000 people there [01:25:17.06] [01:25:17.06] because it's a big traveler to inquire [01:25:22.14] [01:25:26.22] yeah and that's the same thing I was in Louisville Kentucky before I came here [01:25:30.09] [01:25:30.09] and that's when I started playing in politic research on human trafficking [01:25:33.23] [01:25:33.23] and they're the largest drummers commit trafficking to Louisville was not the [01:25:38.19] [01:25:38.19] Kentucky Derby it was the national farming of conventional basis numerous [01:25:48.06] [01:25:48.06] Fox [01:25:50.12] [01:25:58.22] things that we knew and not much blows me away with 20 years of doing this work [01:26:03.06] [01:26:03.06] was in Atlanta the poultry farmers convention was the biggest [01:26:09.02] [01:26:13.09] and that's not a sign of the industry that's a sign of you know anyone in a [01:26:18.02] [01:26:18.02] big powerful position nice party they're not family farms right these are [01:26:22.12] [01:26:22.12] massive agribusiness kinds of situations right anyone with a power over other [01:26:28.04] [01:26:28.04] people that's that's where it happens yeah and there's people that have power [01:26:32.21] [01:26:32.21] over others and use that power to manipulate another person turns flip [01:26:36.14] [01:26:36.14] that's where we have to watch so oh one last question [01:26:42.09] [01:26:42.09] sorry it's popped up I'm actually gonna try and make a hold up [01:26:48.23] [01:26:50.22] I'm trying to figure out [01:26:54.08] [01:26:54.17] massage parlors I'm trying to figure out why everyone knows that they perform [01:27:01.23] [01:27:01.23] illegal activities why are they getting busted or is it just you [01:27:09.11] [01:27:10.04] another powerful people crap who was that [01:27:17.03] [01:27:30.12] okay on that question we'll have to close it we've got a few minutes over [01:27:35.06] [01:27:35.06] thank you and we can continue the conversation of more formal environment [01:27:39.03] [01:27:39.03] and our son [01:27:44.09]