Sorry. For the record. The. Start of it. And you go to war. Thank you very much it means pleasure meeting the interesting faculty here and the wonderful research that is going on so I am going to tell you about causing the forces and some suggestions that causing the forces can be used to levitate objects and so the introduction is some basic idea as a recap of what causing the forces both in the quantum context for actuations are important and where the need and suggestion of the possibility of making Casimir forces rather than attractive repulsive comes from and some ideas about whether or not these kinds of repulsion proposals are feasible and ideal and with some brief discussion of dynamical Casimir Effect but back to the original Casimir Effect as proposed by Henry Casimir in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight he said that if you have two mirrors the modes of the electromagnetic field between them are going to be quantized so that you will have multi purpose of. A relationship between They've lent and the separation and each one of these modes will have a characteristic frequency and if you think of them as harmonic oscillator because of the zero point two Asians of the electromagnetic field you would assign each borrow make over two to each one of these modes and. And what Kasimir found was that the sum of all of these eight ball makers is naturally infinite but interestingly if you take the derivative of that infinity you will get a finite force. The force naturally has to be extensive proportional to the area it is quantum in origin so it should be proportional to a four C. comes from the electromagnetic field so this should be there and that's it so then you ask well that doesn't have the correct time mentions of course it does if you divide by four powers of historians and so up to a numerical factor the Casmir calculated pi squared over two hundred forty you know everything about what this force should be based on dimensional arguments for spare unit area is equivalent to a pressure and if you put numbers you find that this pressure is of the order of a fraction of an atmosphere if you go to separations that are of the order of a fraction of a micro. So. This very idea. For scription of Casimir was generalized later on by Lipschitz not to think about ideal mirrors but metallic plates and he could show how the result was modified by having dielectric plate and how actually discussing the force continuously in terror police when surely becoming the band there was for such short distances. Because of the smallest of this Force One had to wait until late one thousand nine hundred ninety S. so that I to make force microscopy provide the juice to measure forces at this of my concept her relations with sufficient accuracy that the theory could be confronted with the experiment and starting with. Lamb row and later on with more here Dean and Roy The Casimir force was. Measured and compared to tear. Only at the level of a few percent there is agreement Interestingly there is a persistence difference of the order of a few percent that has kept the theorists an experimental is in the field busy since and is not yet resolved but. Applications of the force come whenever you talk about micro electro mechanical devices that is devices that have to pass current so they have to be made of metals and you want to have them at the level of Micron scale which is where I said these forces should be important answer if they are mechanical devices you have to worry about what this Casimir force does to their stability and one of the discussions is that since the sport is an attractive force short distances the force becomes actually stronger in a star short distances and it could lead to a mode of failure in the various mechanical components stick to each other. So this has motivated the search for possibility of making Casimir interaction either reduced or potentially even better making it repulsive and that is subject to come back to but before going to that I will mention that there is another analogue of Kazimierz when you think about the Casimir force as due to quantum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field in the space between two plates and how those fluctuations are constrained by the bounding plates you can ask Well I know that there are also lots of thermal fluctuations and would term all fluctuations confined and constrained by two plates lead to simular Casimir fluctuation in use force and the answer is yes but typically do those forces are very short grain. Because the presence of a boundary only is felt by the gas over for a few correlations lends so in order to have the kind of long range force that Kazimierz had predicted for electromagnetism like electromagnetism you need to have a theory with infinity correlation Lent which for classical systems you can only find that special points such as the critical point of political gas system or did the mixing point of an old water mixture and be sure and vision pointed out that if you happen to be at such a point then you can say that due to terminal for actuations there is a modification to the free energy of pint size scaling that is due to terrible fluctuations so it has to be proportional to K.T. like the Casimir force it has to be proportional to area and again to make it dimension less you have to divide by appropriate poverty of the separation between the plates. Now generally This gets more due elated by a function of separation divided by the correlation lent by the point where the correlation land goes to infinity this becomes just a pure number just like that pi squared over two hundred and forty of Casimir and essentially you have this regime of universal forces again and the reason for universalities because of the long correlations length you are averaging over many things and the details go away. This critical Casimir force of turmoil for actuations was actually. The experimental E ten years after the quantum version by a group. And basically what they had was a co-leader particularly in a fluid. That was feeling kind of Casimir like interaction rather than play two plates between a sphere and a plate to the surface and this ball was in all of water mixture so she was the one that I had indicated over here and the human the temperature to approach the critical point at which the correlation lent went to infinity and by looking at how of for a way this particle was floating they could figure out what the potential of the interaction was and what they could sure was that the potential of interaction indicated by these curves very much depends on how close you were to the critical point and by the time you reached the critical point the interaction that you were generated through this modified clock creations was essentially becoming Pavol law an infinite ridged. So the answer is that basically you can have these term are fluctuations to become long range if the correlation length is sufficiently large now in connection to what I was saying before regarding attractive or repulsive it turns out that this force that is acting between the sphere and the plate can be made both repulsive and attractive in the way that you can go from one to the other is to quote the two surfaces to either be the same idea or both hydrophobic or hydrophilic or to be different and if one of them is hydrophobic and the other is hydrophilic then rather than attraction you get every politician and indeed by appropriate coating you can sort of make these particles gather into these channels and reverse their belief so you change the temperature and they can either form these nice columns when you are at a critical point or they become randomized so. The story is that certainly the Terra modern version of the Casimir force can be both attractive repulsive depending on whether the boundaries of the two surfaces that you are looking at are the same or different so the question is having stablished this for the thermal Casimir force can we make the quantum mechanical version to also be repulsive answer the lesson was that what you need to do is to make the boundaries sufficiently distinct and different from each other and you can indeed do that for the case of the quantum causing your force by the following set up if you have a medium in which the dielectric constant of the medium is intermediate between the two surfaces so that at one of the surfaces you are going from dilute to dense in the other case you are going from. Thence to dilute. Then the boundary conditions the way that right reflects is sufficiently different that you will get repulsion and this actually is one way of thinking a very thinking of a very well known or survey showing that is he knew him climbing walls of container such as a glass because they dielectric constant of helium is certainly larger than air but it is smaller than the class so this is a situation where the boundary conditions of the electromagnetic field the two sides of this. Helium liquid boundary are different and so there is a repulsive force that wants to make that boundary larger and that would be one way of accounting for this. BALL That feeling that creeps up the glass plates also. Experiment that I was shown showing you here was performed by the group of capacitor and they had surfaces of gold and silica and in between them they had the oil drum by and then seen that as intermediate dielectric constant and they could actually float this gold because of these repulsive. Casimir forces if you like. But. That kind of situation would be impractical if you are building one of these micro. Devices because you don't want to put oil. Covering all of your device so it would be ideal if somehow we could achieve a repulsion across vacuum. And possibilities of that were originally pointed out by boy here from two ready called perspective he showed that if you do just a purely mathematical calculation of two boundaries one of them is a perfect metal in the sense that you put Epsilon the dielectric constant going to infinity and the other is a perfect diamagnetic in that perfect. I no longer fit the emission rather than epsilon going to infinity you make me you going to infinity the two boundaries would be sufficiently different that across vacuum you would see the analog of a Casimir repulsion and now the problem is that most of the material that we have around us have values of music that are of the order of one so that does not work but we have to know the Billy T. to design materials called metamaterials in which effectively you could endowed them with different responses to a. Actually can magnetic fields so for example if you take a silly coin and print on it gold circuits such as the ones that are indicated over here you can see that if you try to pass a magnetic field you will generate current that would oppose this magnetic field and so this metal materials that have been proposed as a means of achieving cloaking for example have been suggested as being candidates for achieving this boy here mechanism and giving repulsion So this article says it sounds like a science fiction joke but it isn't what you get when you turn an invisibility cloak on it's side a flying carpet so these metal materials are supposed to be good at all kinds of things so we'll see if that's the case. Well that was one way or suggestion for how you can achieve repulsive Casimir forces across vacuum another story has to do which Jonah three and shape and for that I will tell you. Another story in which Casimir played the party. So this goes back to trying to figure out a classic called model for the electron as a ball of charge each the problem with the ball of charge is classically is that it has a self repulsion of squared over all our answer clearly you can't set our going to zero so that you have a point particle without having to deal with this large capacity for energy now Kazimierz said well if I think of this ball as a metallic spear and the modes of the electromagnetic field have to be modified by going to zero or this we're this will cause it's. Similar modification to what I had seen for parallel plates I don't know how to do it calc to how do the calculation but I can't estimate how it should look like it has to go again be proportional to each bar it has to be proportional to C. and dimensionally the only way that I can make. Something that has dimensions of energies to multiply each bar see by an inverse Lent and so there's a radius of this here must appear here. So he said that maybe there is some kind of a Casimir attraction that modifies the electrostatic repulsion and stab Eliza's the electron So if A is chosen so that this net thing is zero then I would have a model of the electron and as a bonus I would have captured for the value of the fine structure constant this so there was this proposal to calculate this although he couldn't do the job properly well many years later at Harvard the graduate student while Boyer was a graduate student he sat down and calculate all of the modes etc and calculated what this parameter ABERS and surprisingly he found that he was negative so this picture does not work however this observation then initiated a whole set of other things about three positive Casimir forces because an A that is negative means that essentially the net effect of these quantum fluctuations rather than trying to force this for years to become smaller is something that wants to make the spear bigger So this looks like there is some kind of every policy of pressure so the suggestion was that maybe if you were to cut this fear in half the two sides of this fear would Rick Perry sure there and saw all of you really need to do is to play be German three in order to get your positive causing the forces and the simular orbit. The ration was made or the calculations were easier you don't have to do this we're you can do hyper you can do parallel of pipe and with some ratio of the lens scaling of would see this and then there were proposals of various devices that would work based on this report. However. We could show that if you had more. Experimentally accessible Juma three in which we put a piston that was movable in the middle of this parallel parallel look Piper and added up the energies of the two sides we would find that this piece stone would be attracted to one side or the other it wouldn't repulsion you wouldn't be hanging in the middle and then there was a theorem that was proven by clique and coworker that if you have two objects that are mirror symmetric they must in fact attract the sure they're due to some. Reflection positivity property of quantum mechanics so a lot of these theorems. Your own sort of violated and threw out the suggestion that by playing with the geometry you can cause repulsive interactions there is actually one case of a German three that works imagine that you cut this out of a metal plate and you have a shape such as a bullet this group showed that the bullet would actually be. Pushed away from the circle of this. Circuit. So given all of these issues. There was some kind of uncertainty and this uncertainty reminded me of something simular uncertainties that existed. Few hundred years ago and that was the question which is where or not it is possible using electrostatic. Forces to levitate something so electrostatic forces certainly can be attractive or repulsive so maybe we can put some arrangement of plus and minus charges that together can keep something afloat and I guess at the time of any sure. Where your suggestions in this regard and so he proved the theorem that I really like the first paragraph of the space or if there are before the world by various authors several memoirs which. Embrace the subject of the present communication that is levitation there is Observateur in them however much this agreement of results which seem chiefly to arise from the extreme lengths and complexity of the investigations by which those results are obtained to avoid which as much as possible there are tools are compelled to adopt means of seem to fit cation which are not always a priority. Sufficiently approximative in the following pages the subject will be found and treated in a manner perfectly new and direct and. Basically what he proved was the following. That essentially if you have a situation such as this where you want to maintain a charge in equilibrium in the presence of other things it could leave you on. This charge is moving in a potential that is set up by all the other charges and electrostatic potentials are subject to the. Law plus the end of the potentially cause to zero which means that potential if it is stable in one direction so that moving in one direction you have a restore in force because the A plus in has to be zero it must be of the form of the sad. They are and should be unstable in the other direction OK So this immediately rules out levitating with the electrostatics and I want to show you that least in one simple case which by a few lines of algebra we can sure the same to be true for some kind of a fluctuation induced forces this is not quite the Casimir force but it is in the same spirit imagine that you have a bunch of objects that are charged neutrals However within each of these objects there are plus and minus charges that can pop out and move around so for example bags of and I only solution is a very good example of what these objects look like now because of the. Interactions between the local and instantaneous charges there are average fluctuation in used interaction between all of these bodies and the question is whether I can maintain one of these bodies in stable equilibrium in the presence of all these other fluctuating charges but how would I answer that rather than having an energy because I have things that are fluctuating I need to look at the free energy which is octane by taking the low bury them of a partition function where all of the configurations of these charges are included weighted by the appropriate energy. Part of this energy is the Coolum interaction that I would have between all of the charges in the story and then there will be all kinds of other constraints that keep the charges. Now the analog of law plus enough electrostatics in the law plus enough this free energy should I make a change in the core of the unit of this object and by taking appropriate deliberative to follow bury them which is what the free energy is you can. Very easily sure that this law class in under one hundred is the average of the law plus the end of this object which is in fact zero because it's cool on interaction and then there is gets a correction due to variance of the fluctuations in the force and the variance of the fluctuations always is positive and so basically this object is certainly negative which means that you are less stable so in some sense fluctuations. Even in the presence of a saddle allow you to explore the vicinity of the saddle and on average feel push you in the unstable direction. Now this is a few line proof we could actually do an analog of this proof rather than terrible fluctuations which was the basis of the Boseman way that I was using with full quantum mechanical fluctuations except that the point a mechanical calculation is much more difficult I'm not going to present it to you but the answer is that indeed the lock last year of the electrostatic energy. The fluctuation in use the analog of the Casimir force that you have for a bunch of objects is negative as long as the objects can be described by a dielectric constant that changes the function of position and frequency in arbitrary manner that doesn't violate this that will it is of materials and so that immediately rules out being able to use these metamaterials as a way of levitated about it. Now. Of course every theorem is as good as the conditions for that theorem and we know that indeed using optical tweezers we can keep things in levitation the reason for. That is that we are not dealing with Electra statics but things that are changing as a function of time and we know that it is possible to levitate frogs and the reason for that is that the frog is made mostly of material such as water that has diamagnetic properties and magnetic properties are not part of the construction of an shows to your own so there are various ways of still levitating things but these theorems give you some kind of constrains as to what is. Not possible. So now the question is. How would we wire late this. And one way of violating this condition my assumption was that you need to be in equilibrium so I showed you did clear on that first valid for the case of zero temperature but in fact it's also a valley that the case is a finite temperature as long as you're in a collaborative but you say if things are out of the quality of your I can certainly have repulsion so that if I have for example a hot plate the hot plate that would be radiating more photons compared to the cold plate and the pressure of radiation could potentially keep the cold plate afloat maybe that's why I have a nice floating above. Who knows but the point is that if you look at the pressure due to radiation it is given by this there from Boseman law it is proportional to the temperature to the fourth power Where's the attraction that I said that I mention only has to be off the order of H.B.R. C. over the to the fort So you see that poor this to be valid. As long as you are at a temperature that is of the order for room temperature you have to go to distances that. Or of the order of ten microns for example and at those distances The causing the force in any case is too negligible to bother. However it is also known that a lot of things that we know about different Boseman law are not necessarily correct when you go to very short distances there are things known as near field effects so let me less least one of those things which is for example we say that the amount of radiation that you have from an object is proportional to its area well if the object is sufficiently small IT field properly proportional to its war you it's essentially you will have lots of atoms that are individually radiating and we're used to thinking of black body radiation as being completely isotropic and not polarized but if you have for example the Nano wire then the radiation will be polarized depending on you look at parallel to the wire perpendicular to the buyer So there are reasons to sort of not think about this as being correct answer the question is how does one more generally discuss a situation where you have a whole bunch of objects that are locally in and could leave the room a different temperatures but the temperatures are different so there is constant heat transfer between them etc. Now this is essentially one. Slide of theory debate to handle these things was introduced by rich off in one nine hundred fifty nine in something that he called fluctuation our Q.B. I like that name basically what he said was that when we are thinking about an object that is at some temperature really there are all kinds of fluctuations that are going in that object and including among them our current flux. Creations the average currents will be zero but the variance of the current will be non-zero and will be related to a combination of how hot you are and even if you go to zero temperature you two quantum fluctuations So essentially this expression is able to give you fluctuations in the current that you have in each body depending on temperature also including zero point three zero actuations and it is really related only to the imaginary part of the diet he can stand that describes this material. Now if you look at the system then at some instant of time you will see a bunch of current and if you know the currents you can in principle calculate an electric field by using the green's function for the shapes that I'm looking at relating linearly the currents the electric fields I say in principle you can calculate the response and sort but it's going to be a very difficult task let's leave that for the time being. The point is that because the average current is zero the average electric field is zero but the fluctuations of the electric field the core variance of the electric field will LOT be zero and can be related to the core variances of the current through the use of these greens functions now once I know the core variance of the electric field I'm set I can calculate all kinds of things because I can calculate the Poynting vector that is related to each cross H. would be essentially one of these objects and once I have the pointy vector I know where the heat that he's going from one to the other I can calculate this stress then sort of months I have the stress tensor I can calculate the force that is acting on each body etc and so using that you can answer a number of things you can for eggs. Calculate exactly for the experimental situation for people who looked at in the know why and the analog of the black body radiation from a nano wire and sure that it has some strange properties such as being polarized in some particular direction and again the amount of that is radiated not necessarily being proportional to the area of the surface but proportional to war you mean the full crossover care of it we can calculate using this theory and other very interesting observation is that according to the classical things that we teach if I have a hot and cold object the radiative heat transfer between them is simply proportional to the difference of the fourth powers of the temperatures between the two of them. So a colleague of mine at MIT in two thousand and nine said to test this by looking at the heat transfer between a sphere and a plate and the results are plotted here as a function of how close this fear is to the plate and at four distances he gets the results that can be calculated from this theory and that's actually the straight line here that does not go to zero but it is to one but when you get to distances that are fraction of a micron suddenly you can see that the amount of heat that is transferred goes up by several thousands. And so this is an example of the violation of this Stefan Boltzmann law and very quickly if you ask why that is is because men we are teaching and calculating this quantity in our courses we rely on propagating behaves versus when you get to very short distances the main mode of heat transfer is through evanescent waves that tunnel the energy if you like from one side. First one other surface. And similarly you can get interesting results about forces and forces between two microspheres for example can be both attractive repulsive if they are not at the same temperature if they are at the same temperature you have the usual one over D. to the six man there was a fraction then one of them is a different temperature at high enough distances you will get there repulsion and between the attractive only positive poor poor there could potentially be a point of stable. And so basically this is supposed to show that for you we did a calculation where tungsten sphere was levitated on top of a surface heating this year to one hundred degrees is sufficient in principle to keep it levitated above this fear unless it cools down which means clue the effect of cooling down because of cooling down he eventually falls down to the object so basically the story here is that a whole bunch of different. Non-nuclear your mean the sense of objects being at different temperatures can be calculated using this. Ditto for Mali's But I want to jump to another surprising thing. Which we can still do using the ritual formalism which is a form of non-equal Librium in which I don't have objects at different temperature but an object that is in motion so imagine that you have a sphere a metal sphere sitting inside in vacuum and it is rotating by itself OK if you say well angular momentum is going to be conserved then this object will continue to rotate forever. Well the answer is that this object is I. Actually moving in a sea of quantum mechanical electromagnetic fluctuations and potentially in the same way that a sphere in water will slow down this weird will eventually slow down but the interesting thing is how it does that because. One way to look at the is this object has rotational symmetry so an appropriate basis for extra magnetic waves to consider are the ones that are also characterized by. I wrote a Chanel symmetry and having some angular momentum M. so I look at electromagnetic fields outside the object that have a character as far as the angular dependence is concerned of it to the I am Farai and they are rotating with some frequency smaller Omega. Now if the object is rotating with a frequency big or make up and I'm rotating with the object I have now move and sit on the frame that is moving with this fear then from the perspective of a sphere I see that is changed by this rotation which means that effectively the frequency that you see is the stroboscopic Lee modified between the outside and the inside of servers by an amount that is related to times big homie. Interestingly the door which was looking at this situation of scattering of waves from a rotating sphere and you observe that if you are very in the circumstance where Omega and omega are prime different signs will make of us positive but will make a crime became negative then if you scattered way from this fear the amplitude of the scattered wave was actually larger. Than the incoming and this is a phenomenon because super radius essentially the wave on scattering get some more energy extracting some energy from the kinetic energy of rotation. And now what we sure was that if this beer is rotating by itself precisely in the range of frequencies that dovish predicted super gradients to a care it spontaneously Emmett's radiation so essentially the veil that this sphere slows down is by emitting waves in precisely this range of frequencies and you can figure out how rapidly loses energy etc It's a very small amount but it is an interesting story to think about. This is one example in the field of dynamic causing your effects which discusses situations where the plates that Casimir was thinking rather than being static are moving and one can sure that if these surfaces are moving very rapidly you can have circumstances in which you create a photo nds and you lose energy and so even if you have parallel plates moving with respect to each other you have a kind of friction that is going on you have friction of vacuum. But one thing that I want to conclude with and let me see I do have a few minutes is. The following that all of these forces that I mentioned to you because even your forces search for a arise from some kind of underlying fluctuations and the quantities that I have given you are always the averages so all of these forces certainly also have fluctuations and one can ask how big are the flock to ations off the fluctuation induced force. And probably the best place to see it is a place where the average forces erode so he can focus on what the fluctuations are doing. And so wanting that you can do is you can take this we're not the rotating sphere just a metal sphere by itself put it in vacuum on average there should be no force on it but there should be fluctuations on the force now this should remind you of the coal oil particles so if I were to put a quote particularly in a fluid such as water there is no net force on it because of symmetry but because of the fluctuations of the water molecules it undergoes Brownian motion So question is is there some analog of Brownian motion for the case of a party that is in vacuum and is experiencing quantum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field so let me remind you of the simplest case of a Brownian motion we would say that we have a cord in it let's say the center of this sphere and it has some mass so mass times acceleration is equal to the fluctuating force this is in fully a space or acceleration became minus Omega square now for the particle we would also put a D.C. patient moving the particle that will cause it friction which is for the fluid particle. Particle proportional to its velocity which are five fully a transformer if would get Iomega here. Now because I am dealing with a particle that is in vacuum and special relativity has to be obeyed there can be no force on a particle like he's moving with uniform velocity so the kind of dissipation that comes about in the systems one can show is proportional to. The terror derivative of motion so rather than having Iomega would have Iomega Q. as the resource in force this is known also separately as the Lorentz force. Now on the right hand side I have to put a force that is due to fluctuations Now suppose that I was dealing with a charged particle in a fluctuating electromagnetic field then the charge particle would experience a force that will be proportional to the electric field which is the gradient let's say of some potential and. The interesting thing and what we also assume for the case of Brown and particles is that even in the quantum case the electric field being described by the Lagrangian of electromagnetism is a quadratic theory and is Galaxy and distributed so the force would be gaussian this tree with it if it was charged but what if I'm dealing with a particle that is NOT charge is something that is neutral so a neutral particle the force will be proportional to polarize ability times the square of the electric feast Now the thing that is important is that whereas the electric field is Gaussian distributed the square of the graphs in this review that object is not Gaussian distributed so calculating what the effect of this non go see and distributed force on this. Dispersion is more complicated and some of the things that emerges first of all the depreciation of the particle does not undergo standard diffusion it only it's where you and scrolls logout rhythmically in time and that's because really the magnetic field is something that is distributed in space and so you make some kind of for the formation that the formation ultimately will come back on you so the Markovian character that you have for ordinary. Diffusion is not valid in this case but more interestingly if you look at the higher moments you find that the way that the higher moments grow is more important than the way that the variance grows and the only way to interpret it is that rather than getting a Gaussian dispersion is particularly due to panto fluctuations will undergo a kind of dispersion that is poverty. OK. So. In summary. He started to be de case of the has a new force of quantum electrodynamics. We said that it was proposed back in one nine hundred forty eight and after fifty years there were sufficiently high precision experimental operators to calculate what it was answer to good extent we can say that this force has now been confronted and understood in terms of experiment and there are some applications of it that would very much benefit from weakening were making the force rather than and I tracked every policy. That as an example if you like as a prototype of fluctuation in used force we can ask whether there are other types of fluctuation in use forces where rather than quantum fluctuations Let's say we are dealing with terrible fog to Asians and there is indeed a tear mild version of the Casimir force that was predicted by Fischer and this year in an experimental you observed in the binary mixture of oil of water near criticality and this force can be made to be both attractive orderly Parsee if by playing around the divine and or conditions then the question is whether we can do a similar model of the electromagnetic quantum causing a force to make it repulsive either true barring Greece by introducing these metamaterials or by play around we did you or me three of shapes etc and so level lots of papers proposing this and what we showed was that there is some analogue of inshore steal from that four bit the case of levitation for Elektra static objects to the case of Livy Taishan using these. Casimir forces and as. Long as your objects are Describe your board by directory function could vary as a function of space and frequency doesn't matter as long as that is the case then you cannot have levitation limiting a large number of theories that had been proposed based on various our proxy mation. However by wire leading the conditions such as by going to out of equilibrium you can certainly get examples of this kind of. Lippy Taishan called your hot object by the other one because of radiation pressure but to do that properly one needs to sort of think about near field effects and deal with quantum fluctuations and there are more fucked relations using this fluctuation out Q.E.D. of rate of and the same fluctuation I'll Q.E.D. a writ of can tell you about some other interesting effects of non-equal younger motion is involved we discussed the case of the flight of a classical particle in a quantum bat being a kind of dispersive Levy flight and I mentioned about the rotating sphere gradually slowing down because of radiating today electromagnetic fields so this work was done at MIT with a large group of collaborators so I'm very senior such as Bob Jaffe my colleague a number of former and current postdocs Thorsten images appear we want to. Know are Graham and. Students graduate students who have since graduated and left and I also. Was wondering how to give you a justification of looking at something like this rotating smearing vacuum and why it is good for. And I happened to come across this possible justification. Thank you for your attention. It. Is the. Classical article yes I'm going on about. Me You were just wondering if there's anything interesting to be learned on him. Also. Then yeah so I haven't. Figured out how to do that so presumably they think is that somehow the classical part. Is all these not described by quantum physics and if I want to put an atom I have to somehow entangle it already we did the Cro-Magnon I think feel and so then maybe the appropriate thing to do is to start with an initial condition which is not that and then seeing how that initial conditions evolves as a function of time according to the Schroedinger equation but we haven't done that so it's a very good question and it is related or so to divvy that I have been treated treating everything else because we certainly know that. Because of quantum mechanics the electron rotates along the. The proton not caring anything about their choice you are all more gradation etc Now in the theorems that I proved I always was describing the objects through the classic car dialectic function epsilon of X. and no make up so at what point that breaks down and I have to go from a dielectric description of the material which is classic cause to a full quantum description I don't know that's certainly something that is left to do in this. Yes. For. Just. One or. OK So you want to. Pair. Let's say I put it particularly in the battle of quantum fluctuations and you want to ask what is the difference between a classical treatment in which this particle is represented by a polarizing ability and using that porous ability to figure out how much it diffuses as opposed to the case where I start to mean. Some kind of. Quantum description of particle that has mass and is subject to the full electromagnetic field. Or OK So then. OK so you start we debate packet and you say that because of the description of quantum mechanics the big back it would be spread OK so different that we are seeing is certainly proportional to see which you would you wouldn't for the classical particles so there would be some or a shoe off times see an M. that is in water that can definitely distinguish those things but I haven't done the actual calculation but since our force does depend on c That is absent in the other case I know that there would be a distinction. Or. Or. Well this this Zelda which idea of superior a DNS indeed comes from the context of black cores and rotating black horse and. I understand that people who are looking at gravitational waves these days are thinking about whether or not there are some effects due to these kinds of radiation so the radiation also has some kind of relationship to Hawking radiation and there's a gravitational wave analogue of that that one can always of but certainly this idea that the boundary conditions of a rotating object can somehow modify the phenomenon and have consequences for radiation is quite general and potentially will deserve. To.