Philanthropist. No the Atlanta Dream and the recently appointed honorary Georgia Tech allow. Please give a warm Georgia Tech. Welcome to our guest. Mary Rocky Brock thank you thank. Thanks so much that was a great introduction to a lot of my talking points but that's OK. I have to say I couldn't be more proud to be an official Yellowjacket now after last Thursday night that was quite in of it at the white and gold ceremony and it just made me thrilled to work on behalf of campaign Georgia Tech to raise one point five billion dollars for this institute and I can promise you at the end of my talk when I have well you. I hope I'm going to have a little commercial for campaign Georgia Tech. So I look forward to that one anyway I did grow up with John Brock in a small Southern town on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi must point and you can see a picture of that here. It's right at the end of lover's lane and I want to assure you we were never there. But I have known John since I was ten years ago and we have a lot of history together and as you may or may not have heard I was with John when he got his acceptance to Georgia Tech back in Knight teens sixty six and it was a big day for him and since then for four decades. It's been very important to my life. So that my my background with John and I'll move on to what I'm doing and why I'm really here today as I went through my life and had my college years finished my undergraduate degree and graduate degree at Miami University of Ohio was an educator had my family worked in the community there were many times when due to. Circumstances of opportunity location or geography. I did the so-called reinvent myself I'll be the first to admit that never in a million years did I think I would be here in Atlanta Georgia in my sixty's as a koan or the Atlanta Dream. I love to stay in my sixty's. Well one thing that Kelly Lefler and I my co-author and I love to say is that. She is a product of Title nine. You know when women were able to play sports and I was pretty Title nine. So no I did not play basketball. Kelly is about five eleven did play basketball. Anyway I never thought as I said that the leather dream would be in my life but I'm extremely happy that it is as we move done John and I moved on through our lives. I was involved in many organizations whether it was heading up community events organizations like our interest in America and that's what this picture is related to just an hour and a trip to Malawi which is where America's has some initiatives. John and are big supporters of that. So those are the kinds of things that I was doing as I lead up to my what I call my Atlanta years because in spite of the fact that John and I were married when we were at Georgia Tech when he was at Georgia Tech. We never lived here in the adult world until seven years ago but as I was a various boards and doing things that you know were very important to me. I never thought that I would be involved in something that three years ago has turned out to be as inspirational as anything I've ever done never would have expected it. You heard in my introduction that I'm involved in organizations from trustee at Spelman College. Again women to assures A New Look Foundation which speaks to my interest in young people and better lives for them. Horizons many other many other things. That lead to the intersection between what I've done before and why I did the Atlanta Dream. OK. So I mentioned before never would have expected to be doing this but how often when you are in this decade of your life do you get a chance to work at a business and have the chance to make it successful. Not only as fun in sports. I mean that's certainly a fact this is a fun business and we do enjoy it but for Kelly Lefler and me. We have is a clear goal to make the Atlanta Dream work as a small business and that's no small go. Why is it important that women participate in sports. I mean I think that there are a lot of things in life that you say that you can't prove but the outcomes for women in sports are very easy to prove I mean the statistics are out there. If you participate in sports at any time in your life. The probability that you will graduate from high school in college is increased there are lower teen pregnancies your career in your thirty's. Clearly you have better careers in your thirty's and something that might interest some of the women in the audience and even the min and the audience is that if you look at executives in Fortune five hundred companies or other successful companies in the U.S. and across the world eighty percent of those women participate in sports at some point in their lives and I have two good examples here that can discolor out because I know them. Julie Francis is a senior executive at the Coca-Cola Company great athlete then and now Julie and Camilla Foster next to the. Next the DIA and I can guarantee you. She's the first to admit that she's an I T. Georgia tech geek and she's not mad at me for saying that. But anyway. Camille again an athlete then and now but. That's proven across the board. So clearly the outcomes are very good for sports and we all know it could be music art drama but what we're concentrating on and what I concentrate on is the impact that sports has on the lives of young women. Before I get into the business aspect of it though I want to discuss a little bit of the history of the Debbie N.B.A.. Back in one nine hundred ninety six. For those of you who were here in Atlanta or those of you who just know that the Elim picks were here. David Stern who was the N.B.A. commissioner at that time and he was still the N.B.A. commissioner saw the excitement around basketball women's basketball. That was the first time in the Olympics that basketball head been a sport and people were just overwhelmed with it thrilled with it and so he just we've got these arenas of the N.B.A. that are used in the summer in the offseason. Why don't we consider doing something that energizes people around women and basketball. One nine hundred ninety seven one year later was the inaugural season of the dead the N.B.A. And here we are now still still successful still say it's sustainable and we enter our seventeenth season and to be clear there are a lot of sports for women that are important across the country. Soccer is one we all loved watching the soccer team this past summer and soccer is incredible but it has been very difficult to sustain a women's soccer professional league. So you know for better or worse. It's sustainable and we're very proud proud of that act a little my dishonor John insisted that I not have a glass of beer. Julie would be happy about that too. Anyway. OK So when the Debbie N.B.A. began there were eighteen some of those teams have been sustainable there's been a little change but today there are twelve teams eleven and each team. Eastern Conference Western Conference you can see that the Atlanta Dream is in the Eastern Conference. Each year only about ten rookies ten plus rookies depending on the year make a deadly N.B.A. team make the training camp and. It's really tough for them to for that to be sustainable. Usually they have to play in Europe a few years come back to the U.S. it's just a very very elite league hundred thirty two women. We have about thirty who are international it's definitely the go to in in the world for elite basketball. And so you figure of all of the seniors who are graduating and having played in C. double a basketball a very small number of them make the deadly N.B.A. And I said graduating. That's another key point that I haven't mentioned one difference one of the many differences in Debbie N.B.A. and the N.B.A. is that the debit to be in the Debbie N.B.A. you have to be a college graduate and if you're an international player you have to be twenty but most of those players are also college graduates like we have two international players they're college graduates so that that's the key difference these women are smart. Well spoken good role models. I'm not saying the N.B.A. doesn't have all those characteristics but just think about that for a minute we're very very proud of that fact and it makes for a very very different differently. Six teams have the independent ownership model sixteen's have a model that's part in be a part in H.L. part. Debbi N.B.A. so. There are only two teams that have women only models and those are the Seattle Storm an Atlanta Dream. So again we're very proud of that Kelly and I think that's something that we think is very important something we really want to make successful. OK Here we go. There are thirty four games this. Let's talk a little bit about. Again there are thirty four games per season seventeen home seventeen away. Some statistics and we're Georgia Tech Writer you love numbers. So the three point line for the Debbie N.B.A. is about a foot and a half longer than in C. Devil a six inches shorter about then the N.B.A. but we're working on that we figure they could do it. The game link is thirty is forty minutes the N.B.A. is forty eight minutes the shot clock and this is a key statistic for the Debbie N.B.A. the shot clock is twenty four seconds for the IN C. double A It's thirty seconds. So a different game but a real fast move for these college seniors who are coming into the heavy N.B.A. very very fast moving game. OK. Let's talk a little bit about N.B.A. growth. Clearly there are challenges and running this business. There's no doubt about it. However every year we have more attendance ten percent growth in season ticket holders the Atlanta Dream this year has a twenty percent increase in group ticket sales twenty percent increase in merchandise and all those things go straight to our our bottom line. They're very very important for us having exposure is very important as well we have an E.S.P.N. deal that goes through two thousand and sixteen. It's a seven year deal that is very important one night about which were extremely proud. Is that the second game of the finals on E.S.P.N. and in the two thousand and twelve season had a record audience and you know that's what we all want right record sales that we're in a company of sales record audiences this is if we want that kind of exposure. A draft. Yes we have a draft we're just like the big boys. There is a draft this year will be on primetime. Out of Bristol Connecticut which is where it's pianists looked. It. It's going to be on April fifteenth at eight o'clock and it's going to be very very exciting. This is a year where it's not only one player like the year. Maya Moore an Atlanta player came out if you can but we have three very very premier players coming out of the college ranks and I think it's pretty definite these women will make the Debbie N.B.A. teams that draft them and they are Brittney Griner out Baylor she is sky high on the seven feet and yes she can dunk. We say it's not important that we play a below the rim game but we're OK with her dunking any time she comes through Atlanta because that's going to bring everybody and to watch her she's phenomenal and Skylar Diggins out of Notre Dame again a very very elite premier player and a lana del a Don at a Maryland. Again a really really good player. So they probably will go in that order to Phoenix Chicago and tell. But they're all extremely good and they'll all be really fun to watch. Now we aren't getting any of those players we don't have a chance because our seasons and our records have been way to good and it's just like the other dress the worse year you have the higher draft you have so those three teams are extremely lucky to be getting those players. OK league marketing and our partners. That's extremely important to us if you look at the three areas that bring in our income it's the gate our tickets. It's sponsorships our local sponsorships and it's what we get from the league passed down through the league. There are league sponsorships and we get broadcast revenues well. All past it. So they do not sustain our league but if they can sell just like with the N.B.A. just like with the N.F.L. If there are league sponsorships that comes down to the teams so Boost Mobile in one thousand and eleven became the very first League jersey sponsor for the Debbie N.B.A. it what that means is. For the amount of money they paid which was very significant the Boost Mobile. Is on all of our jerseys. Now it's really only so far only ten out of twelve because two had a deal with other ability companies but. That money still gets passed to them regardless and in due time that will be on their jerseys as well but that's that is a very key thing to happen. League wide and it's very important to us is one of the. One of the twelve teams these multi-year sponsorships Jersey sponsorships can also be for independent teams. There are had been seventeen. In the N.B.A. that have had jerseys sponsorships changes from year to year this year I think there will be five. Those are key to the bottom line line of any tame they're usually seven figure deals and they're usually multi-year so extremely important in general if it were an expansion team so in general those have gone to teams that have been around longer. It's clearly one of our objectives it would impact us hugely and it's I would say it's at the top of our list. OK. So getting down to a local level because you can see this on either side we have our own marketing sponsorships our two major sponsors are Coca-Cola and errands they've been sponsors since the dream began. And they're very important to us. They're multi-year sponsors. So we always like to have a group of multi-year sponsors that are these two. We also have a Grady Hospital and we also have Georgia Power. We like to grow our sponsorships. In other words we like to keep the ones we have and grow them and then we also every year want new is we don't want to lose any and we generally don't listen because our contention is always been that we reach a broad spectrum of audiences in a broad spectrum across the. The people who are out there where there are you know Mary. Or single or min or lesbian or whatever you name it we reach them all and fact the audience segment that is usually said to be the one that's the toughest to reach our guys you know guys like John Brock. You know who are in their fifty's or sixty's it's like these guys think you know I don't want to watch a group of women play but it's just not true get those kind of guys to our games and they are blown away by the athleticism. The quickness the interest. I mean what they do is they look at it and say this is the kind of game. I used to play. Whereas in the N.B.A. it's wait to the last you know five minutes and it's dunking it. I mean it really is the entertainment value of our game is really really huge. Anyway. Are our repeat ones are very good. We haven't have one new in this year that I'll give you an example Equifax we have some that have gotten bigger like dominoes. And that's what we're always always looking for. Now the acronym that I have grown to not love over the last three years is our return on investment because you go talk to a sponsor and they want you to prove there are. If you had that in your classes just forget about it. It's it's like a bad word. It's a bad word on our end it's probably a good word on the end if you're trying to get value for your company but it's a very hard thing to prove in the best of situations I mean if you look at Super Bowl ads. You can be sure it's very hard for those companies to prove they get their return on investment. However it's our job to show them that they get some kind of a value for being a sponsor of the Atlanta Dream and that's what we try to do it might be with that we reach their women's groups we might reach their minority groups but we really have to show that there's something we can do for them. In addition to our community service. I mean you're just not going to say I really want to help young women so let me go again. You've got to go to a game because it's good entertainment value and those things are important but they're not going to sell sponsorships. I mean I can tell you that from experience. So we have to do things like an example appear military appreciation and sponsored by Domino's they love it. Our audience loves it. We get have three S. picks on court presentation in arena presence and P.A. announcements throughout the game. There are no bigger standing ovations and no not any more interaction. Then when this presentation is made that is the only time that Kelly and I are on the court other than you know maybe when I'm trying to drag John away from the yelling at the referees. But it's really a big big deal and everyone loves it so that's just an example of the kind of exposure you can get and then we also said our televised. I think I said for all of our games sports out and that usually happens multiple times our games are shown once and you can watch them again and again. So you know that's important as well now we're going to show a little video that I want to want to be in advance of talking about the dream team and so I think that the the the the the the. The. Right now if you're valve Peterson and you're in a game when that's going on. She's rocking out right but. Big fans of ours so dream the dream. Our team our highlights. OK we're five years and we're starting our six season expansion team. Our first season wasn't too great. We had to get eleven players from wherever International who we could get who everybody else did it won. However we have made the playoffs in four of the five seizes since that first season we've made the playoffs every single season. We're only one of two teams. That's made the playoffs for the last four years and those are our second third fourth and fifth year so that is phenomenal. Our second year we did get the number one draft choice. Angela Cotchery and I think more about her a little bit later but we have made. The finals two years two thousand and eleven two thousand and twelve back to back Eastern Conference Championships and we feel like our record is what we know it stands up to a record like no other. And we can only get better and only go up. OK She's our French us player. No doubt if you didn't want to come to a dream game for any other reason come to see Angel. She is amazing and the way she works with the team is phenomenal to watch. She has many many dream records and many many Debbie N.B.A. records even in her four years as she's played four years. We just signed her to a multi-year contract and that's very very important to us the numbers are for Angel. If she last year had the record for most points per game. Twenty one point four Think twenty one point four. She led the Debbie N.B.A. in steals and two point five She set the Deb in be a record last year in free throws seventeen for seventeen back in June last summer she is just a phenomenal phenomenal player in the finals and she's been in finals two times she has the record for the most points scored in the dead N.B.A. finals thirty eight and the most points scored in a Debbie N.B.A. playoff game which is forty two. I mean this is a young woman is only played out of the University of Louisville for four years so we have great hopes for her she's dynamic. She works the crowd. She's crazy you know she makes faces at her coach you name it. She does it but she's really fun to watch and she's a dynamic player who's really the leader of our team. We have other players who are incredible. I mentioned. Sancia and Erika who are international players Sancia has the record for the dream for eighty two steals in two thousand and twelve. She and our minty are minty out of the University of Mississippi. Still to this day has records at that school and track and basketball that are phenomenal. They both make year after year the Debbie N.B.A. first team are said. Team fence and defense. We have to Fany Hayes who was a rookie last year at OF U. Conn and she was in the all rookie team but you figure this is a young woman who's taking final exams and you know May June starting the next day we had some Georgia Tech players who did the same thing. Who got their degree in the afternoon and played in a game that night but she's a young woman who come. It did as it's very difficult for a rookie to do came in and made a difference right away. We're really really happy to have her on board in our team with all of our good records and still as you can imagine. We also got the dead the N.B.A. record last season pharma steals pertain which was nine point eight. The Olympics were last summer in London. And we were well represented leading up to it. We had a lot of players who were on their national team but we had two players playing in the Olympics and Jill for the Team USA and Erica for Team Brazil and they were both really phenomenal. As you know Angel and the team are the team and Angel would brought home the gold medal. Angel even though she was in a starter and you know in basketball like in all sports you always have your ideas about why different things happen. Geno is the coach and the starters are all you can surprise surprise. But even not being a starter. She was the second leading score on the dream team so she's when she's on the court she's phenomenal and she lead and steals across all teams in the Olympic threat of the Olympics. So she was number one in steals I mean this this young lady is best. OK. So thinking of the dream as a business. I think we all know and you guys either have been in business and are back in school or you're undergraduates and you're going to be in business. Point in your life. What is the key. I'm sure you're hearing from your professors. It's all about leadership and teamwork having good people in the right positions making sure there's the right chemistry that people work together. What's the magic formula and it's ever changing. No one really knows. So you have to be ready to react to what's happening and react to this changes and make sure that you're always on top of the game and winning in sports is the same thing just like winning in business is that leadership and teamwork and having the right mix of people and everyone from our C.E.O. and we have a C.E.O. who started just at the end of last season actually pricing or to our coaches to our staff who are work around the clock staff to everyone associated with the dream and of course. Kelly and I offer what we can do is say we're there to support you every step of the way it takes every single bit that you've got to work together as a team to succeed as a team. You've got to function as a team and you've got to be ready for change. So you look at business challenges that sports teams face there the same kind of business challenges that businesses face. We just announced new assistant coaches one brand new Julie Plank who comes with to us from much experience and professional basketball and much experience in college basketball she played herself at State last year we had Joe champion. He's a Hall of Fame coach he was phenomenal. They're incredible we have been had a new head coach last year and this is important is that said change is disconcerting at times and you would rather be intentional about it rather than reaction. But you've got to play it both ways. And we've had over the course of five years to head coaches three changes in assistant coaches three ownership groups. We've had four C E O's and of our original eleven players we have two of them and maybe that would make you think Lou. Is this a. Dysfunctional. No we're new we're brand new I mean five years this league is in seventeenth year we're in our six year. That's just what you've got to deal with and we try to deal with it as I said in an intentional way most of the time but we try to be ready to deal with it in a reaction a reactionary way if that's what we've got to do. I wanted to talk about the challenges with our players too and this relates to the change our players. Most of them that eleven out of ten out of eleven of our players play in the off season overseas from China Turkey to Europe other Germany. You name it they play there. Russia Israel. And the reason they do that is they make additional money and that they need that I mean this. I said it's not the N.B.A. and in certain ways and one way it's clearly not is they don't make the kind of money that you make in the N.B.A. That's why when resists not when you're in that. Why would they leave college to go and do that they're not allowed to do it but there's no point in it's not that kind of business model. So that's a challenge that we face if they're playing eleven at a twelve months a year. We obviously have to deal with the fact that they might get injuries that you know their focus is a little different but you know it's the way it goes. They usually in their season in Europe. Come straight into training camp. So that's a challenge. We also have just like other sports teams free agency to deal with we have a salary cap that's a million dollars All teams do you know you can't come in and say I'm Jerry Jones or Mark Cuban. You know or whoever the Steinbrenner shoot you can't do that. It's very very controlled we think that makes for a competitive league and it's the only way to really grow this league league had this kind of controls in place so we don't disagree with that at all. In then obviously these players play on their national teams back in two thousand and eleven we were in the finals in Erica disses a who was playing for a team Brazil had to go in. Played two games for her country and missed two games of with us and we you know we were headed toward the finals. I mean that's really really tough but that's something that we just have to deal with is part of part of change and part of reacting that. I mentioned in the beginning that there was a real intersection and my interest historically and what I've done with my life whether it's education our community service and what I see with the dream and there's clearly that intersection there. I told you that our goal is to run this as a business and to succeed as a business and that's very true but the intersection of this this person and the personal interest and what we do with the dream is important we have something called Debbie N.B.A. Cares. India cares. And actually there's India cares to I don't want to completely destroy the N.B.A. but it's where you really feel that there's a responsibility for these players to go out into the communities and talk to youth groups to go to hospitals to go wherever it's thing. It's thought that they would make an impact and we clearly think that now it can be league wide or it can be based in Atlanta only and we have everything from Dream pink to reading to hospital visits to assures a new look is involved horizons this organization I'm involved with is involved with the dream anything that we can do either Boys and Girls Club to get people to our games or to go out and visit them in the community we think that's important and with the role models that we think these young women provide We think that something that that's important to us and that goes both ways. You know we want to do that but we also feel that we that the community needs to give back to us. Kelly and I say that owning the dream and I don't mean this in a negative way I'm going to tell you that up front. Owning the dream is not philanthropy. Not the philanthropy Atlantans need to take ownership of the dream. This isn't going to succeed because Kelly and I just say we're in this no matter what I mean act. I could say I want to give my money to Georgia Tech. And actually I have given my money to Georgia Tech but I really believe that I can also work with a dream and make a difference in the lives of young women and their futures and I think this is something that's important to do and whether you're Peterson running this university. Whether you're John Brock and running Coca-Cola Enterprises or Steve south and running the business. Everybody wants to win. I mean winning is really what it's all about right. It whatever your category whatever your business is and so we you know we do want to win. We want to win a Debbie N.B.A. championship. We think that we can do that and we think you know winning always the better you do in your business the better the business gets right. So the more we win the more people come to our games the more we energize the community. So it really is something that has got to go both ways. We want to get back to the community but we feel like it's incumbent on the community to give back to us. Before I ran this out and very Carson is going to be so happy I'm doing this. I promised you a Georgia Tech commercial. Now I said that of the things that done in Atlanta. One of them is work with John on campaign Georgia Tech. So here you are either undergraduates or graduates. And you're going to go out in the world as a Georgia Tech graduate and you might think that's important. Now but I can tell you based on our travels around the country from Atlanta to all fifty states. I feel like two trips to Europe and there's going to be a trip to Asia. Coming up we find Georgia Tech graduates are so energized by having that in their background. I mean if you think it's important now you're just going to think it. More and more important as time goes on and so what we always say is figure out what you know what hooks you what's your interest. You know do you really value your management school professor or your Chemical Engineering School Professor do you feel like you were lucky to come to Georgia Tech and you want to make that possible for other students in scholarship you want to help in debt building whether it's in a small way or a large way but all of you are beneficiaries of this wonderful couple Ernie and Robert Shiller and so now you get in the shell or college business. I mean this is a guy who started giving back to Georgia Tech as soon as he graduated building his business having no idea that he would ever be in the position to give fifty million dollars back to Georgia Tech. Now that could be any of you just never know. So I would just like to encourage you to think about that because it's important to the institute and I think it's something you're going to want to concentrate on in your future. Now we usually end up campaign videos singing RAM and Rick not going to do that today. For one thing but invalid had to leave to go. Welcome the new athletic director at Georgia Tech. So we really have them up on the stage with us that we're not going to do that I would just like to say that I've done a lot of things with and for Georgia Tech and this is been among the most fun when Steve asked me last fall I think if I would like to do it. I thought wow what a great opportunity for the Atlanta Dream and what a great opportunity for me to get to stand up and talk about our business and how important it is to us and how important I think it is to Atlanta Georgia. Be happy to take any questions. Thank you thank. You question right here. Hi Thank you for coming out your speech was a great actually quick question what did you do between the first and second. You're only in the in a dream to make you so successful in such a short time. OK Well the the first year was five years ago as you heard. I was involved in the dream at that time but out the key was for sure. Getting a number one draft pick. And Joe McCutcheon. But it was also putting together a team that was made up of people who could support her kind of play the lead in dream is a really fast team for those of you who are fans and that we have a season ticket holder here and then we have a couple back there. I've already called them out. So what mention their names again but a lot of others of you have in fact have even brought this out that it landed dream Jersey I should've worn this today practice jersey. That I have to give back in a minute. I know but if you see our team play were a really really fast team and it's always been said that it's the chemistry that draws them together. They weren't all first round draft picks. They were knowledge of and second round draft picks but they all have something in common and that's the speed of the game many times in the fourth quarter our team is still going strong and we just outlast them. I mean we absolutely outlast them so I would say what happened from first to second year. Sure the number one draft pick. But also starting to build this team with the right chemistry to be a winner and I think it's the same thing in business you know if you're going to succeed. It's because you put a group of people together who can you know work toward a common goal work as a team. I mean a superstar is great but you're generally not going to win because you have one superstar just like you. Whatever your business next is good as Camille is. Thanks for telling that I thank you. I'm curious about your economic model. It sounds like salaries are in the control. It's now or capital of this curse but a couple things first of all what are the I guess what are your major. Challenges economically in terms of running the group. What are your revenue sources. It is a dream actually a profitable operation. OK. One thing that I can say pretty clearly is we can't cut cost to profitability. We really can't. I mean there are a lot of companies where you can do that a lot of business were business where you can do that. That is clearly not something we can do you know that the costs are really pretty set I mean they vary parting with sometimes spends more on marketing but the costs are going to be fairly set around five million dollars more or less depending on the team our business model told you our income is three different ways our gate sponsorships our league. So I think the best way for us to reach that profitability level and worse. I would say we're moving toward that if we are moving toward that year after year after year. If we weren't we wouldn't be doing this if we didn't think we could do it. None of us would be doing it but it's bringing attendance and bringing sponsor levels clearly getting a jersey marquee sponsor would impact our bottom line a lot of the of the teams that and there are private. So it's not public information we you know no one knows for sure but the ones that we think are profitable generally are ones that share ownership with the N.B.A. because obviously they share back office expenses and so in you know maybe they don't pay for their arena we pay for our Rina and then one. Tane this independently owned is a team in Connecticut. It's a casino and so they have a big gate. You know he began a little and you go to a dream game but if we you know we're moving toward that every year as I said our ticket sales are up our group sales are up you know our renewals are up. Our merchandise is up. Our sponsors we don't lose sponsors. So that's what we've got to keep doing. We've got to keep increasing the sponsor levels not losing our sponsors and getting new sponsors. Sure. They with the spirit of the hockey it's really really more just the hawks now since they are that the inner ship Spirit but it's really. They own the arena. So one of our huge cost is paying for that arena. You know we pay for that whereas a said if you're affiliated with an N.B.A. team. You wouldn't have that cost or certainly your costs would be reduced. So do we have a relationship we have a relationship. Absolutely and I would say it's an improving relationship it's a challenging relationship because obviously we would like to pay less. You know they would like to get more but we really are trying to look for ways that we can partner with them. We're trying to prove our value to them. Seventeen nights a year in the summer. The arena would be dark and there certainly are conventions and there certainly are concerts but it would be very hard for them to replace seventeen nights a year and then we bring a community. Visibility to their games. So we constantly look for more ways that we can work with the hawks in a positive way. That that is a very good question and I'd like to tell you size wise like Philips is about ten thousand a little over ten thousand people Georgia Tech. It's what eight thousand I think it's more to our size. Obviously we know it's a blow away design everything from the theater lighting. So we've clearly talked about that there's a new athletic director in place. Clearly we'll talk to him about that is that out. There's a possibility out there is a possibility. It would be be amazing and I think we'd love to have if we get to the playoffs this year which we have four of our. The last four years. We're going to have some challenges with Philips. So clearly we might even look this summer have had a practice going there to see how it goes. I know there are a lot of Georgia Tech fans in here who are attending all these best about games. So I think it would be exciting and it's certainly logistically doable. So there you go. Mayor money former graduate and want to play football here and want to say thank you for you and John for donating the lead gift for the football arena so that was very near and dear to my heart and I where players are running at six am right now. Also the current students want to give a quick plug. Gary Jones teaches a class that John. Speaks and that's how I first got got to meet them and so next to the family today but we had a two part question. First is you spoke on the community service with the Atlanta Dream in Atlanta give back. We comment on that and also comment on you and John are both very very busy and we comment on how you your family interaction has how do you fit that in that's a good question. Well I don't know if you read last week's article by Henry Unger in the Atlanta Journal Constitution but he has this questions for for the boss. And the very last question had to do with having three list. I guess person John Rock list. John and Mary list and business list. And if you're on the in the bottom twenty percent of that list. If you're one of the items and I'm sure it never gets done so. I would say you know Georgia Tech's not the bottom twenty percent of that list and there's the only injury that think life is full of setting priorities and figuring out how you're going to spend your time we actually spend a lot of time with our family you know we have four grandchildren. I don't even mention that certainly should have but. We love our three children. We have four grandchildren with our first two kids actually our youngest son's girlfriend is here. They have no children in any way I think I think in life it's all about saying what's important to you and you know clearly you know John runs a company and his his ultimate responsibility is to shareholders. You know I'm part owner of the dream. Keli and I have a responsibility to our team but then we have a lot of things that we're interested in and you know John I feel really really lucky. I mean some people look at where they are in life and say I got here because I'm so smart. I'm so good you know are naturally I made it and I guess John and I feel that yeah we've both worked hard and I guess we're smart enough but we feel like a lot of life is fate and you know I don't know being in the right place right time. So if you are fortunate enough to be able to do things either for your university for the community. You know it's what you should do we just really believe that. And so it's not. Wow that's such a good thing to do regarding the foot practice facility I never thought that we would do something like that because we're really interesting cancer research and you know Downing scholarships and all that kind of thing but when they talked to us from the athletic department about the practice facility the hope point and I think we all know this if you have a better football team. It's just statistically proven that you're going to probably increase the quality students in the interest of the Ylem's And so it made sense to us to do that that for me. That was originally a stretch not a stretch. So much for money but a stretch of like are we really going to do this and then I guess we also believe in Barrett who's here heading up development for Georgia Tech that if you believe in something you might as well tell other people that you believe in it like you know I'm going. To a Spelman College of into night and wellness. I mean they Spelman we've actually decided to give up. Competitive sports and develop the premier wellness and fitness and nutrition program among historically black college but colleges and universities because we think that's important to do you know I'm going to be there assures new looks same thing you just got to say what's important to you and you can make the time to do it. Christie is here. Christie works in the way and she's amazing. But you know she does. It's all about prioritizing how you spend your time. Brooke thank you for coming to this afternoon I was curious as to what your relationship is and what that looks like between your coaches and players. OK Fred Williams is our our head coach. In our assistants you see their pictures up here. Julie plank and Joe champion and I would say between Kelly and Ashley and me we talk to Fred or communicate with Fred honest every day that he's he's the coach he makes the decisions if he said you know I want to trade our minty and told us why you know I'd be really unhappy because I like our mentee. But that's his job. It's his job to put together a team but we have we have a very open and a very good relationship when we were looking to hire Julie plank. We all talked to her you know we met with her. You know we communicated with her. We tried this once we wanted her for the job we really were selling her for the job selling her on the job and the same with you know we're in a lot of communication but they really are the boss as far as the team. You know I'm just like any of you are what you know we're in the armchair quarterback in basketball. It's you know wringing your hands and it will think why are they. Subbing you know our minty right now. You know she's got the most in. On the tamer you know why aren't they. Starting whoever you know I'm sitting there saying the same things and you know he doesn't really have to have that or we might tell him but he doesn't have to give an answer so that relationship wise we have a good relationship as I said it's our job to put the best people in place and sometimes that you know that's a tough thing to do but that's that's what our job is but once they're in place. It's our job to support them and communicate with them. And Mrs Brock I had a quick question on the N B W N B market as a whole. So it's kind of been a bit in recent years in the N.B.A. for superstar athletes to go to larger market cities. Do you see that trend kind of occurring in the W N B A as well. Well we have a host spectrum of cities and sizes and everything from L.A. and. New York and Chicago to Tulsa. Here's a plan in the south we I don't think we do see that trend I mean we just lost a free agent. We had a player who is an unrestricted free agent and I still am so interested in her career and I hope she does well. Lindsey. Harding was a runner research and free agent she decided to go to L.A. You know it's a decision she had to make we would have left have kept her. We have Jasmine Thomas coming in who coincidentally like Lindsey is also a Duke graduate. This is her third year in the N.B.A.. So she's a young player. She was an academic All-American Duke for two years she's the only do best about player to ever be an academic all American So you know that's change going. So here we have an example leaving Atlanta going going to L.A. Lizzie had a lot of reasons for doing that. You know I don't want to speculate on that but we haven't seen that mess in the mint and I think some of that is not only going to big markets but some of the bigger. Markets in the N.B.A. or N.F.L. or others also have the bigger salaries and you know we definitely don't compete on salaries. I mean once you've played four years of your rookie contract then you have a little bit more leeway. But we have a salary cap. I mean our salary cap is less than what. Most of the lowest level in be a players make that's a good question. So I'm going to keep my eye on this as we lost Lindsey. Because your players are playing you're around internationally. How does that affect the way that you set up player contracts. Well our contracts are for the season. So when they play internationally. You know we I mean we have no control over that we can't say don't do it. I mean are we interested in them and do we keep up with them and in fact do our coaches and in fact this year our newest assistant coach Julie plank and Ashley pricing our C.E.O. are going to Turkey because we have four players playing in the Istanbul area. It's kind of amazing. I mean you just you might not immediately think Istanbul would have for women's basketball things. I mean they're not really known for you know being that pro women frankly but they love basketball and they all play in soccer clubs. So there are some major soccer clubs across the international group and that's that's where they play. Now you know since we have so many in that community we really want to try to make inroads and maybe get to know those clubs a little bit better and we think that's important but our contracts are for our season. If that helps. Now as I said we worry about injury and if we had our choice. I guess if we had our choice they wouldn't do it although we one hundred percent understand why they do from a financial perspective because they can make a lot more money will make us. OK. No question to people. That's OK this is been wonderful. Thank you so much for all you do and for being here today. Interested in this multimode system I mean there's so many teams as an owner when you when you and competing with the other owners teams and what are you all working together in a collaborative fashion to move the W N.B.A. forward. Well on the court we're competing Absolutely. All the way but we always look to each other for best practices because what do all of us want we want the Atlanta Atlanta to Atlanta Dream team to succeed financially. Why do we. Because it's it's got to be sustainable. You're not going to find someone who just illicitly you know pours their money into something that's losing money and if we didn't think it would succeed. I wouldn't be doing it so we want this team to succeed we want the league to succeed. It has succeeded for sixteen years are moving into seventeenth year and as I said It's not subsidized by the N.B.A. league sponsorships come down to us but certainly that's it. You know we're we're not in so some teams do better than others. So it really is advantage to us to share all the best practices for someone gets a marquee sponsorship they share with everyone who that sponsor is how they got them the steps that were taken. You know what they used to win them over everything. I mean they're very open about the money that it that it is you know how much money do they get how many years. There is no reason not to share that kind of information because if we come across someone and we actually did here in Atlanta international international Continental Hotels it. And they were interested in the. As soon as the sponsor for us. It ended up they were a league sponsor. So if we come across a company that we think would be good as a league sponsor and we have and we have some and I now. We would talk to the league about that that would be very important for us. So it's important to all of us we don't want any team to fail sometimes people said this is the Debbie N.B.A. thinking about adding another team like going from twelve to thirteen or fourteen and I would say that's not on their radar screen because the most important thing is to make sure the current teams are sustainable. That's the best thing for the league so good question but we absolutely share everything. Thanks. That's a good question. I just want to thank you so much for speaking today if I could just get around applause from everyone here. Thank you.