So I got a bike talk a little bit in terms of the title However what I'm going to Thomas possibly have to say about climate change because of your comedy this particularly to come back to this question of respect a sign it's natural to ask what we. Have to say this time. So that we begin with the story. Right just. So a while ago I got in a plane and Boston's Logan. And I sat down in my seat. And when I sat down I got out of my OK and newspeak for a variety of materials I spread out in front of me. And then it became apparent that the gentleman who was seated next to me was talk to me. So maybe you noticed what I have namely that there are ten two kinds why. Those who like to have conversations with her strange are Sunni and the rest of. Them very much the next thing he ever worry would use the sole reason for the book I hear you're the period. Leading man but he was still himself. Even there for sought to start out on stage. He did decide that he had just had a living breathing oxygen more than a journal contradiction after all is he the economy or the virus his use of the study of economics or the study of for example environmental science so what his dispraise he did indeed. So my initial purposes simply to argue. And I hope to Gen straight then environmental economics is not oxymoron. And I say this group to very specific reasons. The first is that the cost of environmental problems in a market economy such as we now have you know all that I hear people countries around the world because of environmental problems are enough they are the unintended negative consequences of fundamentally you heard stories of activity. First producing goods and services that you and I want and sometimes as well they are a consequence of our using those still saving goods and services. The fact that the. External activities are outside of the scope of the business decision of the white condiments relating to the use of this extra Now one type of ways in which markets fail you know sometimes people who are not economists think that economists run around talking about her remarks are far from in fact a colleague of mine over Harvard Business School across the earth for me he says that they should all head east or any school of market field because that's where we started we study different forms of market Bill you know whether it's about belief public goods problems extra values asymmetric information that's what's interesting honest don't sit around looking at perfection in academia they look at policy. So that's the first reason why you are not only your nominee not Monika's and because of our. Economic edition to that. The consequences of environmental problems hand for new economic dimensions. So surely if the causes are you ever consequences have economic dimensions then economic perspective to be very useful back I would say sensual for a full understanding of the virus problems. I don't teach it in the Economics Department were OK and I rather I'm teaching the Harvard Kennedy School so it's not understand you understand it's a pull to keep reality is that it's only a full understanding of current problems that can lead to solutions that are effective and by effective I mean they actually reduce pollutant emissions not just demonize the bad guys. Better you're economically sensible which in the language of the economics would be they are efficient or at least cost effective and therefore they might be more likely to be politically correct and. Now this kind of economic thinking is particularly important for the formulation of fact the sensible practical climate policy. And this I say we're too stupid reasons one of the interesting things about environmental economics by the way unlike some other areas of economics is that we always got a stark science and this is an area in terms of I mean jeez where the science takes us to the economics takes us to the global CULE politics so the urge to reality is the first one is a spatial phenomenon and then is the greenhouse gases mix in the end of the sphere. It doesn't matter. Whether a tonne of carbon dioxide was released probably plants in Georgia from Tokyo Japan Beijing China or life will have the same effects on the global climate because greenhouse gases into the atmosphere has made the damages are the same everywhere in the world of those damages are independent of the location of emissions he needed nothing terms of climate change is a move on top of any and something very important nearly that any jurisdiction that chooses to take action and the political jurisdiction that chooses to take action whether it's a region like Europe a country like Korea or a city like the. That jurisdiction will incur the full cost of its actions which will specially be the cost of living of switching cold petroleum to natural gas to New York and renewable greater levels and there you see all of that comes a cost so the incur the direct deposit their actions but the climate benefits are going to be distributed globally that tells us something very important event is that for virtually any jurisdiction the climate benefits to release from these actions are going to be less than direct cost curves despite the fact of the global that is actually might be greater indeed much greater than the global costs and then produces a classic free rider off meaning that it is in the interest of every jurisdiction every state every country to not take action but from then to benefit from the actions taken by and that's why international although not truly global with international cooperation is essential. Now there's another phenomenon which is the charitable dimension which will also leads me to more or less the same placements and Carol. So once again it will start the science go to economics and then to politics and policy to greenhouse gases accumulate to the ends and more than one hundred years in the case of carbon dioxide so unlike a lot of blues that are needed to do a have an effect precipitate out in a relatively short period of time that's not the case for carbon dioxide for some of the long life recounts gases and the damages of these balloons are a function of the stock not of the flow at any moment in time not commissions during the year but the you live stock in the ads. So we've got a Bafta it's filling up with water it's got a very very slow drain and the damages are a function of the level of water in the bath tub not a function of the range of water coming out of the faucet. The most severe consequences of climate change are going to be in the long term I mean not next year or the earth or the half of the order of ten twenty thirty fifty years and more I mean the other hand climate change policies and get into cost of achieving those climate change policies that is mitigated emissions those are going to be a problem that has a very difficult political conversation for miners this combination of up front cost and lead benefits Christians a very brief chance because remember the political incentives in democracies is to give the better this to the voters today and place the cost of future generations to have a problem free so security and hundreds of other policy issues in this country and in other representative democracy kind of problematic is asking politicians to do precisely the opposite. To the place because of the current generation of voters going to bring about Bennett. It's for future generations so together Mohan in the name of property as is not in the individual interest of a single jurisdiction take action even those in the interest of all jurisdictions to take action you do together with this in your temporal asymmetry up front costs and believe benefits me climate change the period tough little champion indeed a member of the U.S. Senate who I used to work with a great deal very intense intense. Heat we're going to lots of policy problems as any member of the senator House would and he used to say that climate change through a little perspective close to the problem big was it was designed to be difficult for democracies to. Address it also tells us given the nature of these two challenge the global commons nature of the problem together with the upfront cost and lay benefits suggest that economics can help with design better public policy wise ages economic perspective one of the reasons the secret of our perspective can be particularly useful in this debate. Now come policy analysts actually do favor economic approach to this and not just economists cannot policy analysis of American policy of all stripes paper carbon pricing by which I mean either carbon taxes that's a tax on the content of the rules of the natural gas or a camel train system which is a market approach which generates right to a market so why is there all this interest in these instruments it's not right in your life who reasons it's not because the market is cool it's because there is first of all know whether feasible approach that would provide meaningful emissions reductions and when I say meaningful including what is the official international goal and then it wasn't previously. Strange the official launcher and US target which is that every duction back here twenty fifty of greenhouse gas emissions are people on the order of about eighty three percent relative to two thousand and five the reason that no other meaningful neuer coach could keep that is and we're talking about carbon dioxide of state is one greenhouse gas drought we're not talking about of a few minder of industrial sources we're not talking about the two thousand sources we're talking about for softer dockside and we here at the limits of ninety ninety two address acid rain we're talking about every electricity generators every industrial facility every commercial the sale of every residence every motor vehicle every backyard barbecue every want more on and on and on and the notion of developing technology standards or uniform performance standards to regulate all of those activities is so absurd that nobody that proposes bad among the policymakers world and policy analysts of the world the second reason is an economic one is the least costly approach in the short term because a big cost are highly heterogeneous the fear if you're mentally across stores in Los Angeles alone one from a dry cleaner tube in a while refinery movie review of marginal cost will be on the order of about two hundred ten thousand to one and had suggested having everyone control the same level would be unnecessarily costly rather it is important for everyone to be tolling at the same cost on the margin that way whatever is achieved is achieved at minimal cost and then finally. Carbon pricing is the least costly approach in the long term because it provides incentives for carbon friendly technological change if the kind of targets that are talked about certainly from the national science community are to be achieved amassed. About technological change will be required I'm not talking about diffusion of existing technologies but then shouldn't you know they should virtualization. To do. So and instead of a current price in the equally sure you have there are in fact current pricing used to reduce the place around the world there are readers here to Canada tree systems in place in the United States and Europe as well as in the Caribbean China is going to be easy in a cap and trade system either again this year or early in twenty years teen years but in addition to that there are also carbon taxes but the reason I didn't put a price on these words I did resist the system is that many of these are actually energy taxes it's very hard to distinguish To what degree they're really current taxes but other jurisdictions in the world will not employ it all but they will try to use the warming standards or even technology standers Instead this can be less cost effective the current pricing of the price in the room you do or even the story but still believe that implicit shadow price implicit price on carbon down what are the the results of the consequences of carbon pricing whether it's done through carbon price instrument or it's done implicitly through a digital regulatory instrument so we can trace this through in terms of coal natural gas and oil. So the greatest impact globally. Will be on the coal industry due to the high carb content of coal particularly through the United States where you had a store of higher lines on coal or electricity generation the facts are in three ways One is it immediately impact on the. Are the sources of electricity generation that a task and dispatched on to the grid there's the dead end editions that have long term impacts both on the investment into the past and I.E. less capacity to do the whole. And long term impacts on earlier retirement of existing coal fire. In terms of natural gas the impacts are smaller because of the lower cop cars content much lower carbon content of natural gas here coal in the short term they're actually be a demanding race because of the fact that natural gas is a substitute recall at least in the United States for electricity generation. But it should be acknowledged less to do things bad. Climate policies which don't exist in the US a proper environment regulations are going to lead to the collapse of the U.S. coal industry in the U.S. coal industry visited the mine to this didn't climb to thirty five years that's a result of technological change of the combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing or fracking which has brought down the price both of life in the U.S. but it's also brought down the price to increase the supply of natural gas that's been vastly more important anything else and there are some other factors Well we can talk about years later I only let me comment on oil here to leave potentially significant impacts in the long term the muted and the reason is that there are limited substitutes oil at least in this country is used largely now in the transportation sector and there are limited substitutes for oil obviously there are Sameer electric vehicles into the Pentagon sources of electricity this using the drugs in those miracles to get into the atmosphere climate changes that would. In Colorado work could be good news climate change is good Massachusetts for example because we're generating electricity from hydro from gas to be a VAX on so in the short term because of the high marginal cost cost effective portfolio flown to address a lot of issues reductions in the transportation sector advocates look at the sale that's bad news economists look at that and say well that's good news you want a cost effective portfolio with Evers being cheap but the political target we said let's achieve the lowest possible cost after all we also hear about price of food the price of fuel. The price of vision the price of health care so it never makes sense for anything to shoot yourself in the foot by spending for it is necessary the effects of oil markets could largely be through suppressed demand due to increased energy efficiency and we're seeing really research efficiency partly because of public policies but also simply because energy comes at a cost so the energy intensity of the economy has been falling for over a decade as you saw in the long term you will see the introduction. Substitutes first for more of your transportation. Not the economic impacts or you hear it cross sectors I already said that in terms of fuels a new generation of bad news cold here giving us constant setter's purpose but even in the short term Miss Crew natural gas and possibly you do for a while but that also means it's good news for some other energy generation sectors renewables and possibly nucular of what I said all the other race cars because that and on top of a policy and a hot. Cup of exceptions. But other sectors will also be affected outside of actually getting energy juries. Use because pirate policies essentially even reduce energy costs so a simple rule of thumb is that climate policy is believe it bad news for sectors that use energy I keep all. But what can be good news for some particular sectors so a manufacturer is of energy consuming durable goods so I used the example showing here crack companies. The major Vaska of doing business in the airline industry the major variable cost is the price of jet fuel asked what results the fact is to be read in the newspapers that some years airlines are making money and some years they're not making money because of the price of jet fuel. That's good but because of the price of jet fuel goes up what do the airlines do. They get a new airplane because they heard the new generation of the earth wrap my more fuel efficient so they go in-doors the seventy's with United Airlines buys a Boeing seven eighty seven they don't buy it because in those blue lights to the ceiling mind you because the costs are lower of life played by a waiter possibly not lower because the Indians in engineering sense are more efficient or cost lower because the aircraft is lighter weight has a greater use of composite materials rather than metals it is construction so it is good news for any to consuming durable goods in fact if you go back you know that economists whenever you see what industries are lobbying for or against usually assume it's in their economic interest did you go back there was a group of the United States of. Manufacturers and others called the Climate Action. Coalition something like that at the time of the Met Waxman Markey bill that was passed the House bill in the Senate and if you look at the list who are companies that are supporting a greater more stringent climate policy United States. General lectured to believe they were the sponsor of Boeing Caterpillar some of the automobile manufacturers right down the line producers of energy consuming durable goods but that also tells us who these policies are particularly bad and those are going to be the users of energy consuming durable goods and I gave here the example of United Airlines because it makes all the difference when their prices go up. A level let me remind myself and you that this is a global commons problem and so I shifted my focus. For a bit probably domestic concerns to international cooperation which will be absolutely essential. So you may know that there is a new agreement to do with the December twenty fifth teen here I'm in agreement and it is in my mind very good news it's a landmark I'm good according to the manager Archer from the approach to structure the structure of the previous twenty years of international climate negotiations get clients but I recall a lot of foundation for Legal long term progress dues was expanded scope of participation among countries top on a fight. So this new approach can be but I put my talents can be a key step toward reducing the threat of climate change but whether the agreement is truly successful in the long term in terms of bringing visions down sufficiently is going to depend and has not going to be known for decades so dearest agreement provides an important opportunity for a new path forward and as I said one of two key necessary conditions that men and ask have with a scope of participation so one of the second commitment period of the of the euro protocol which we're still in the sunset and twenty two. Twenty. Countries participating in count for fourteen percent of global greenhouse gas emissions that's the European Union a New Zealand United States did not ratify a Russian dropping out of hand and dropped out of hand rubbed out an Australian rock so what's left is the E.U. Zealand forty percent under the Paris heightening agreement signatory countries participating in participating in terms of the missions reductions count for fully ninety seven percent of global greenhouse gas emissions but that's only one is a serious condition the other necessary condition of course has to do with what each of the contributions are from those countries that represent ninety seven percent of the visions plus successful patient that is why. Now with that also tells us is that it really is going to be necessary at the national level for individual countries to step up to take action because national policies are heat so the direct impacts of the piers agreement are really quite trivial rather the most important ones are hidden directly impacts through domestic policies that the signatory countries put in place and then his mind motivation for turning to my final topic that I promised to talk about and that is U.S. climate policy in the gauge of trouble. I'm going to do this to two steps I'm going to talk first about the U.S. domestic climate change policy and your frustration and then I'm going to turn and talk about international climate change policy. In the strange and out. So in terms of U.S. domestic climate policy you need to be aware that in the center. Or twenty thirteen the president was quoted as saying were actually Gore's tweeting. The warming is a total Imperial spends a hoax and there was a subsequent posts a tweet which he said is a total very expensive post put on this by a Chinese would be even less and he would sit there so that that film is something that sounds like they can really roll back could roll back climate change policy and indeed ministration together with the Congress which of course the same party will try to rule back environmental regulations were possible the been singularly on climate change with the wind which I want to pause for a moment actually because some of the next things I say and what I just as good sound like slamming the scourge of the distribution and. I want you to understand it is not because the below biased so I have been I have worked more closely with the White House under Republican history right up to right the ninety nine here and than I have with democratic history at work with members of the Senate and House both sides of the aisle I am hopelessly of life hours that. Have not ever stepped to the office of one. So having said that you really are the one that out of the way there are a variety of things that are candidates chromatic deal a lot of these were listed executive order from the president in March of the clean power plan which is probably the most important element of the Obama era I'm in policies that would have been used to achieve the Obama era tarp under the hearer's greed and on this with hands substantial events put into place and human life to stay. It's because it was a flexible policy works with the states to look at how they wanted to of it would have to give it a VAX on investment especially retirement purely the electricity sector and again take this with coal to natural gas from people and move to later it also audience final version of the cost of cap and trade systems probably in many many parts of the country not throughout the country but we don't know yet actually whether it is going to be repealed but we don't know who will be replace and it's simply unknown to this point so with it in the movie grid to scale back some to do certain jobs we talked about Dale's. Second something in steering your to Congress Hart was also very important in terms of talk of policy was bad the Obama administration through the year easy task force of economists through all the other parts of the government and got hold of the best models that they could from academia and with those estimated what are the damages on the margin of putting one more on the C O two into the atmosphere in terms of the damages those in some particular future years and then look at it as a present discount value of damages from now to then and that's reverse who is the social cost of the car. Which is most recent manifestation be given in the present a strange estimate is forty two dollars per ton of C O two Some people think that it's not large enough some people think it's too small but from from the best economic research that says just guesses and what's good about our balance and serve your course around. The ministration has just roll them back on they get to these rather than looking at global damages they look at domestic damages only for which there's actually an argument in any way they did bad and they also used a different discount read read read percent discount rate which the previous administration used which is. Exist to the United indeed today and even lower discount rate for generational impacts used to seventy percent rate which is really a feature of the earlier office. And budget and together the forty two dollars goes down to arrange a new release from this industry of one to six dollars per ton now while they're worried because that's used all sorts of regulations in what's called a regulatory impact analysis that the government does way back to Jimmy Carter never do regulations with places the government needs to has to do a better cough Dallas's out and there really are impacts and C O two emissions the social cost a car you love so it could be a fuel efficiency standard people sort of be on highways all sorts of things so it became very important there also as the fossil fuel friendly policies. Big with through the Federal Police the moratorium the Keystone pipeline. Is now committed to go for trade because not all bad news and then there is are really talking about fossil fuel friendly policies there was a policy proposal from the secretary of energy. So we the secretary of energy typically has been a career politician but of the previous to the top of the first under previous to this regime was a Nobel laureate for her laugh and then the more recent one was a colleague of mine who say also is this like the previous The secretary visits from MIT her to me. And now we have the former governor of Texas the slight difference between the two nothing of the benefit of Texas who was so the governor now the secretary of energy period he released a proposal that I did not to describe something I wrote two weeks ago and I was searching and searching on the side of this call of duty. And it is a whole that even the regulated industry the regulated industries the electricity sector can't stand no lights it's a whole industry and it's the subsidy in those cars in the United States that have what are called restructured markets for electricity so there's actually competition in those markets there is a subsidy for coal to make the Cold War have the risk playing against them our goal is not to have the last place a good batch of gas the idea is to make coal more have also taught me to leave for coal and ever live in the nice little letters in the street. Vastly post office the natural gas sector post with a colder which is not actually a very good word to get out and do the United States in terms of additions to G.D.P. more like it's very very supportive and there's also a review of the poor fuel economy standards and how we regulate where you should see in the United States those are surely going to be slowing the this coming here drill that will see what you just ration decides to do on that also other efficiency standards the big question is whether or not you know stray she will make a move this is I think a bigger issue in the executive office of the president who didn't actually. Do entire history. Of whether or not to actually an E.P.A. It's. Position to regulate carbon dioxide be it was a result of a Supreme Court decision the E.P.A. was told it has to look at the C O two. And decide whether or not C O two in danger is public health well. And because if it does to deviate in terms that a particular here the dangers public health and welfare that is obligated to clear and to regulate. And so you're about to straighten him out of that so-called didn't find it said it doesn't Peter and therefore there are a lot of empty triggered a whole series of regulations of Cebu to now unfortunately should also recognize that the parts of the Clean Air Act that are there my triggers were not written in one thousand seventy or updated in one nine hundred ninety to do with my B.G. they were localized earlier so it is a very very cumbersome approach to dealing with climate change but it is the approach the industry took of the US They were not successful in doing rational. Rational act. However there is a lot though is non-trivial to change environmental laws and regulations that's why I say that if the trigger of the V.A. was through me why did they cut to the scalpel rather than X. it meaning he's as I said a new regulation actually he'll regulation you actually a good problem here regulation that doesn't repeal it goes to the public comment process ninety days we do it the power plant of four point two million of the contents of it and every one of which has to be responded to by a reaction contractors response so it's a very cumbersome process itself also many regulations are required by Stan shoes and statutes are much harder to change they've already not true in Congress they have constituencies frequently handles sides of the box and then some venerable get all state client policies of course remain during this period or the even the strain that there are wind and solar tax credits that were extended extended. In December. Twenty third did he name remarkable moment of bipartisanship in the Congress or through a budget agreement and a blue. Tax credits why why why are those bipartisan support so economists will tell you right away because there are subsidies and politicians in a democracy where they have to get reelected don't like giving out cost but they love giving out so subsidies are very very very popular these are subsidies which they're buying introduce problems but they're also very good in terms of C O two emissions reductions in California there's a very vicious liar policy that I work on a lot. And that's now going to be raised in St John's post twenty twenty in the Northeast we have electricity greenhouse gas cap and trade system that is not good finding large puzzle prizes natural gas and but it looks like this could become more and more binding going forward so for all these reasons in the U.S. subnational action is going to be worth over the past four years. So let me turn now to the international climate change policy my final say so in the I'll start up again over the major twenty sixteen the president's and I will cancel that here is agreement and stop all use of U.S. tax dollars to you in the morning program so the president can do and has done the latter but obviously the president can't cancel breathing down to be fair with you probably meant my dad and I will drop I will cancel U.S. participation in the group here is fine green but what I want to start with my kid is I want to replace it with you on our home and here we should actually think the communist regime or something because it is because of the time that industry person might be missed coming to force would not be in force and this is for the following reasons appear like an agreement just like the Kyoto Protocol or it has a provision. The same numerical provision that will come into force as soon as countries fit pretty soon as fifty five countries accounting for at least fifty five percent of global emissions by. That fundamental requirement for it to come into force the same of your problem with the GO TO WAR of all to the seventy years after it was signed in Kyoto Japan ninety ninety seven for it to come into force because to give them granted occasion is very difficult it's not just the E.U. parliament it's every one of the E.U. member states and it's a whole lot of other countries in the world and it finally came into force seven years later when the deal was being Russia to cede to the W T O in exchange for red line green so everyone figured there's no way the dearest by military is going to come into force you know we've been here so are three or four or five be a similar process and years more contentious that particular Kyoto Protocol was released. But something else was recognize that the Paris climate the region has provisions that explain how it is a country with ROVs and it says that any country can initiate withdrawal process three years but only three years after the room has come into force. And then takes one year delay for them withdraw all to be in effect. So starting last spring would look like Mr Trump might be nominee. Would said he would draw from there then this summer he was nominee then in the fall it looked like he might twenty three probability drawing up the date for elections might be elected president countries of the world move very very fast every European country China the United States Brazil Korea South Africa Mexico into these key large emerging economies must be enough to live world. Moved quickly to ratify it to make sure he didn't the force. Before John got into office and that's exactly what happened and just go for the election just like the six days before the election the fifty five percent was achieved and the Kyoto Protocol into Course and a very poor twenty sixteen. Now it's also true though for the reasons I just said it was a domestic policy is that the US target won't be achieved. So the options for the ministration were to drop in the year is agreed to the for your delay withdraw from the overall United Nations for you to climate change which only takes one year to the Congress that would be absolutely really crazy that was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush Bush forty one it was ratified by the US Senate not unanimous voice vote or number three what many of his favorite given the option was revealed here is agreement but simply revise the twenty six to twenty eight percent target that was set by the Obama administration after all gunning for their actions now the best modeling says we're probably going to achieve in the US A fourteen to nineteen percent reduction without any further policy of the emissions by twenty twenty five two thousand but as you know the president announced on June first in the rose garden bed the United States would draw up to my personal guest Mr Bannon had left the White House prior to June first probably probably would have the opposite problem with the state but to the change we can actually determine the country the plan is one of the key and stakeholder tuples in the back stadium and get out is where we're you know so the withdrawal time to be affective in till twenty twenty in the meantime to us to continue to be a party to the. There's agreement that sounds like announcement is not a word for the most important of activities New York New U.S. position and appearance agreement media's impact on other countries particularly those large emerging economies like this time China India still South Africa next India and initial signs are remarkably hungry China did not feel that they made some statements and said we're going to stay here they said We love being co-leaders with the United States which they were for the previous six years or so and they're even happier to be so leaders in India who are sort of pulled into it like China to ask also are not scaling back their country so too with Brazil other key. Countries. So what's important for the parties here is agreement unless they make me who is a truck disobey then against one route is to think of U.S. actions as being geographically defined not simply in terms of the U.S. federal government and that raising getting or the Saudis of national and so a very important issue now is how can Southern national policies of the G. mainly like the States but it could also be local governments be recognized under the piers of freedom. I said that this me turning out to be the issue for the months and years ahead but as an academic as a self-serving statement the best besides what research on right I don't know how all that can be achieved is completed the for good with Gotta get it were presented to you that being pushed. On. Reason. So to include economic get next to climate change will likely next C B M G policies as save the cost will likely see in the economic impacts of unimpeded mining cheap over the next day the two decades of the fear is climbing agreement. Fix a hundred eighty seven countries the actions are are sexually diverse intrusive there are stringent seams and there are forms and there are going to be a good regional level in Europe at the national level in those parts of the world subnational level at least in the United States and indeed in Canada use well the economic impacts will vary greatly geographically from within countries such as the US and also centrally and I give you for some generalizations of those dumb about their pointing to which are really sensitive industries there will also be vastly get on the benefits of climate change I haven't taken time to talk about those I've been focusing on one side of leisure but in the morning to recognize is that in general those economic benefits that is better changes than the weather changes coastlines life are going to be more diffuse than the cost in the past we should continue or industries. Invent constitutes another political challenge with there are using cost money diffused then of those who are concentrated cost then our political system tends to give greater weight to the cost so that together with the global commons nature the problem together with it could your temporal asymmetry of trying to possibly benefit those are the trifecta that makes this theory difficult political chance. So environmentally and homicidal claimed by every illustration in those treated to you that is not an oxymoron or on. Any account perspective is hello fully essential for a full understanding of our health problems and the reason we hear about it for others to heart problems to the bad that can be eat with the sign of solutions that are viral effective economically sensible and politically pragmatic. I want a lot of information you want to follow up with copies of each serial part of Russia I find it was not perfectly calm it's a program which I direct my website I have a lot of tools to obviously follow your lead. And you need your. Three. Minutes for every. Mr to give you a very strong who are speaking with us or your faculty Yeah you believe in the worst ever but you know whether you want to reverse a vision they are higher than yes I wanted to go home and walk in the studio. You didn't know of that we know that there is no I don't get what they don't. Like and I think that would be more. Odd but are they going for the public or the fact that it will seem more like you've got to be an awful lot of our to do that going on we don't want you to join your argument was that you got me on the things. So while you were very clear how we should get you going on the road to function. Why would you go for tomorrow. So I think it's fair to say that the you decide on what action the sensible hard line. That there is a person with the problems you're in the legacy of the academic economics community and I'm living your life to be over the ridge Massachusetts great use of that had nothing that there is proof supposed to look at the stats and I don't see however the reason why and procedures differences. Then you. Hear that the economic analysis cases to a certain action in the Senate so for example there are actions that people will talk about I would say does not make any sense economically in trying to achieve one point five degrees any reader for that matter to the reset a grid of your maximum level within the centuries reactions to the next ten years results is infeasible it's not going to happen but if you were possible happen it would be excessively costly. So. I don't I don't know me I mean as much difference as you might think because if I mean that statement said nothing else then you go dig up some great way to find the sky and you say I'm on one side of the fact everything I said today was the others. Yes the other questions. Yes I don't want to tell me how or hire you. I mean I'll listen. To my thinking. I think we will see how out of. It will be on. The. Need for change in the. Past few. Years. We know that the future. Will be. In the form. Of the earth's climate itself possibly any other. So I understood you know something I mentioned earlier today I was with a wonderful. Trip. And I said that cliche it's true that you do a huge deal it's all about learning more and more about less and less the smaller pool is a good man's neck Yemenite exceptionally has just got out of my history G.'s which is economics and only a small part of the. So that's fundamentally the scientific question of whether or not the missions reductions there brought about by the years agreement will affect the slowing the rate of those motion is if I could tell you to contact my own institution or you could ask people here I don't want to. SPEND. Years of planning to do that. Because. I was the do that but believe me you know this is history. Although. Even if we are that. Good the rule is. You will see that all of the bees on these balls to be told people that are not in the here and. There we're back that was and there will be the leaders of you know kind of new books that. Will be here this year with this in the. News so it can be reversed first of all I'm not sure the administration go through with the weather here in the street who knows that's a long time. And a lot of things are going to have an interest in you I don't need like I'm guarding the election and the chances are the decision of the year is it removed it appears that it is going to work there Earth will voters never post here is that I think Wall Street should not go so I think there's no question where the West will actually exit the U.S. does would drive that point that the two days after the next general election. If they do with draw and there is a change of heart in the next two ministries you could reverse the decision the thirty day delay just takes thirty days now so the big question is how is this to the street change OK I was the last and I'm an English Patient. I don't speak on behalf of the Chinese they're really here and so there are several people forming a government around California might go and there introduce me and I'm listening to it on simultaneous translation right here the gentleman from. Talking about the one trying to keep decision made about China. And he says Now Professor Stephen Harper is going to bring us some good news from the United States this is like the sixty's I checked with a lesser charge why they might be completely make out. And so I don't know what to say so I made my way slowly You're right it's the water faucet and then I said well you know when you get to the mining you realise that for many years it's not a long time feeling. That you're. Away in the back to resume the research. That's. Coming into the Southwest you know to come get ready for your local governors and state. You know what they can you really are sure that if you're inspector a multi-national company kind of more sort of a move he'll look at how to do that. So. Both have played board roles up to now to do so in terms of the states in the US I mean without the leverage of federal regulation to the power for example there will be less action by the states that are would otherwise bid but as a result of trouble having been elected there is more action than there otherwise would yet bill or the like for the state level it's pretty good case California to really do this to them straight VIVIE. Which calls the bills there too so we'll see very boring actually California Oregon Washington to the northeast of the Atlantic states upper Midwest you think of all that I just said you look at a map of the last election that's the blue states so that's where the action will be whether there will be action outside of that rally without a strong center for because we're out of the cities within those in your stations are talking about taking action for a lot of what cities talk about are aspirational goals and you know Rob policy. And progressive. Policies not just uniting agonize or sounding good but really affecting the kids and their real problems with the nation's leaders smaller the general the smaller the jurisdiction the higher the likelihood that you reduce your visions by placing costs on the production of current is the service of your station that simply spills over to your neighbors that there is more economic activity in those areas there which could be any result in more than one hundred percent who wish they were going to send. In terms of the multinational community very interesting is because you do need to know that. The multinational corporations but also the largest U.S. companies. Were very strongly predisposed to being the earth's climate So Exxon Mobil was outspoken about it but the rest of us who was there also see you know we just didn't know they were supporting the oil companies were definitely supportive of it obviously natural gas was accorded the support of much of much of a large manufacturing base with support of a summary of all on the line that describes your leader their interests or not so a lot of support from the market for good reasons what would become of these don't lie and of his having to produce more than one hundred so what is the reason as to why we have a federal environmental law starting in one. He said he is the God of you will companies do my produce one part of California and another part of the rest of the United States so they said OK let's have a little sleep instead and so multinationals feel that way across borders because it gets more expensive to produce two or three times a to install the kinds of plans to put it in different parts of the world to show there's a lot of support for them I think we've got the. Backs of the public policies they are their own will not do what will be necessary I would expect that you know it's not in the interest of all there surely there is your responsibility to do it but most of them would like to make many measures they would like to have laws or regulations in the string which must sound funny because it sounds like a person's a movie he's on the back you know they they want back slowly everybody else in the industry has been on the back also so doesn't the fact that. We seem to be more questioning the way. Things are like. Come. 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