year there's a Nobel Prize and sometimes being clueless because Georgia Tech doesn't cover that particular field so for example there was a Nobel Prize in which two gentlemen diagonalize 3x3 matrix and it was a Nobel Prize we don't work in that field but recently you know lots of things that happen to get Nobel Prizes we're very close to it so we were very happy when gravitational waves were discovered and rewarded and we're very happy this year because this year we have no less than three faculty who in this field the first speaker Richter bina he got his degrees from Harvard and Stanford but his PhD thesis was on measuring kind of things that got Nobel Prize today and you know in this larger pool of people he was one of the leading people and one had to choose three but you know I don't know how it was three and Rick is not one of them and he knows everything about his field as well as anybody does because he has been wizard from the very start so Rick will start and he'll give you some idea how this field works it's amazing we are very we love it very much and Rick has an online course that you can take for free which is amazing well if you want to get into technical details it's it's very then our next speakers in our gathered teeth shortened on the as graduate students on the world that's being rewarded today so they love it they have it in their blood and you will hear them explain what this work is about so we'll start this professor tribunal okay thank you it's my job to give you all an ultra short introduction to ultra-fast optics which is perhaps most one of the most exciting fields in all of science today and before I get going let me point you to my website it's predrag mentioned WWE frog gotta do you easy to remember and when you get there of course you'll see the word fun and you'll go to that site and that page and you'll see all kinds of cool fun stuff but then when you're done doing that oops you'll want to go over to talks and there you can see all my classes and I've got all my PowerPoint files for all of my courses at Georgia Tech including an entire course on ultra-fast optics and an entire course on optics that you can look at and they're all free and they're all kind of like the slides if you like the slides I have here tonight you'll like those as well and you can read some about something but our research as well okay everybody in the field of ultra-fast optics traces the origins of the field back to an Old West barbed at the famous robber baron Leland Stanford made a bet with one of his fellow robber barons they went a horse galloped along at some point in time all four hooves left the ground the human eye lacked the temporal resolution to answer that question so he had to enlist the services of a well-known photographer of the time Eadweard Muybridge and that's how you spell his name and he set up a bunch of cameras on universe era Boulevard just there outside of what is now Stanford University with tripwires and as the horse gal bye he took these photographs with a resolution of a sixtieth of a second and as you can see there were definitely some times when all four hooves left the ground and so Stanford won the bet and hopefully it was with that money that he was able to form Stanford University now as I said all all ultra-fast optical scientists trace the origin of our field back to this old wesbar bat and you will see as I talk tonight even for such a short time you will see that there's an Old West flavor still in this field ok there we go now we're making huge amounts of progress and we're able to make pulses that are much much much shorter than a sixtieth of a second that's the temple the length of the pulse is the temporal resolution of our measurements and so now you can okay so now I guess I have to not cross that that threshold so now we can make pulses that are picoseconds femtoseconds and even @o seconds long so these are very very small numbers it's ten minus twelve is a decimal point eleven zeros and a one and similarly for these quantities so these are incredibly short events that we have no conception for whatsoever I'll show you just how short in a minute and then of course if we have even a small amount of energy in such a pulse to compute the power and we get to divide the energy by the length of the pulse and then that gives us a gigantic number like terawatts and petawatts and excellence and even even higher these days so we're really at the extremes of of what Sciences is about these are the shortest events ever created okay it's now routine to generate pulses shorter than about 100 femtoseconds in length and researchers generate pulses a few femtoseconds long and even a doe seconds long and just to give you an idea of how short such a pulse is a 10 femtosecond light pulse is - one minute as one minute is - the age of the universe oops so the question is how do we generate such really short pulses well it was okay well in 1916 Albert Einstein realized that a process called stimulated emission can occur and that is if you have an excited molecule and it encounters a photon of the proper color that photon can induce that molecule to relinquish that energy in the form of another photon so one photon can become - and if we pump enough energy into the medium we call it an excited medium and we can then generate lots and lots and lots of photons okay well that was back in 1916 that Einstein realized that and it's too bad Einstein hadn't been just a little bit smarter because then he might have realized that he could put a couple of mirrors it's just very slow okay he really would have realized that he could have put a couple of mirrors around this and let that process continue and continue and continue and then we would have had a laser it took 40 years before people realized that you could do that okay so what exactly how does that work well typically inside a laser medium we have we have our laser medium and we have a back mirror and a front mirror and we make the front near a little bit less than a hundred percent reflective so some light can get out and then we have a pulse oops I guess I have to be patient and then we have a pulse that propagates back and forth inside the laser and every time it hits the output mirror a little bit of it gets out of the laser now that's really nice except it's never quite that pretty because the pulse is usually longer than the round-trip time inside the laser and so then we have a continuous beam in that case or at least just a very long pulse and okay the pulses that we see typically from a laser are never really that pretty they're always a real a real mess and that's not exactly the kind of thing that would be here talking to you about tonight if that's what we always generated so the question is how can we then make an actual very short pulse maybe get closer hmm so we take advantage of a whole series of effects in the realm of what's called nonlinear optics where if we have a very high intensity some interesting things can happen that we don't ordinarily see on a daily basis one of them is that high intensity can turn a medium into a lens and so that means that if we take a high intensity beam send it into say a laser medium maybe what'll happen is we can experience some very tight focusing if the intensity is high enough and if we put an aperture in the beam at the focus of that that lens then the entire beam will pass through that aperture without any of it being absorbed by the black region the dark region opaque region of the aperture okay on the other hand if we have low intensity nothing happens to the beam as you would expect and so the beam passes through unfocused and most of the beam is then absorbed by the walls of the aperture okay and in that case no focusing occurs we don't we block most of the light okay so it turns out that there's a particular laser medium called titanium fire it not only lasers but it also exhibits strong core lensing okay and we can see what happens if we do this inside a laser make it a sci-fi laser what I'll do is I'll plot the intensity versus time of the laser no it's not as complicated as what I showed you but it makes the point so it's typically is that complicated though and what happens is this is one round-trip time and then the next round-trip time we'll plot it a little bit lower okay because we don't have enough room this slide is is only has an almost a square aspect ratio and so what happens now is if we assume that there's stimulated emission going on inside the laser the amplifies pulses but there's also this Kerr lensing effect going on it absorbs most of the light of weak pulses what we can see is that as in life where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer the strong pulses get stronger and the weak pulses get weaker so that's good because that means that multiple pulses propagating back and forth inside our laser can turn into one pulse but more importantly for our purposes tonight the leading and trailing edges of the strong pulse are also weak and so what happens is they then get attenuated as well so the strong pulse not only wins and becomes the only pulse inside the laser but it also gets shortened and every time it goes back and forth around it around inside the laser it gets shorter and shorter and shorter and that's basically all there is to it using this trick we can make pulses 10 to the minus 14 seconds long okay not much else to it so you now can all go home and make your own ultra-fast laser you'll need about $100,000 for the parts but you can do it it's not that doesn't take a genius to do it okay now let me tell you something a little bit about the pulses we can write these pulses in terms of an intensity a center frequency and a phase with writing the electric field now and you've probably familiar with writing the electric field of a light wave as a cosine of Omega naught T as a cosine wave or a sine wave but not we have to take into account the fact that the intensity of this light wave the strength of this light wave can be strongly peaked and beyond only on for a short time so that's why we write the intensity versus time here in red and then the color can change the pulses may be short but there's actually plenty of time for the color to change in time so we have to include a phase as a function of time give you some idea as to what this is like here's a typical pulse that we often see in an ultra-fast optics lab starts out red goes through all the colors and turns out violet in the end and that has a phase that turns out to be an inverted parabola and it's frequency versus time or its color versus time is this this curve here okay so it's an it linearly increasing plot as you can see from the from the plot on the left now what we really like though is the pulse that's much more intense by the time that's gonna say okay I'll need about another 10 okay so what we'd really like to do is this and that corresponds to a flat phase and a frequency versus time that's also flat and I've drawn this as white because this pulse has all the colors of the rainbow in it so it really is white these very short pulses really do look white and that's the kind of pulses we deal with not at all like what you're used to from your normal laser pointer days so the question we have to ask that is how do we know how short these pulses are cuz if you haven't measured it you haven't made it so there's a basic principle and that principle is that in order to measure an event in time you need a shorter one so let's suppose we'd like to measure this event pretty fast event so we need a strobe light that's shorter than the time it takes the bullet to go through the card but now suppose we'd like to be able to measure the strobe light intensity versus time well now we need to detect or whose response time is even faster and so on and so on and so on until finally you get to the shortest event ever created how do you measure that well clearly we need a shorter event but even more clearly that's the one thing that we know that we do not have so this is an interesting dilemma and the question is how on earth do we measure the shortest event well in the early days of ultra-fast optics it was realized that another interesting domineer optical effects could help us out here and that is called second harmonic generation but we take a crystal that if we send red light into it and two pulses and those two pulses over and time then we get blue light okay so there are two pulses but they didn't overlap so you don't get blue light but now they overlap so we get blue light okay they don't wanna roulette nothing they overlap we get some blue light so all we have to do is split our beam into variably delay one of the pulses relative to the other and make a plot of how much blue light we get as a function of the delay and we get a pretty good idea as to how long the pulse is this method is called intensity autocorrelation but it's not good enough because we're measuring the pulse width itself it's not shorter than the pulse okay and so what we end up with is a blurry black-and-white picture of the pulse and there's another problem with autocorrelation and that is if you send in a train of nice stable pulses I'm plotting the intensity in the phase here what you find is that you get a plot like this and this is the blurry black-and-white picture of the pulse that I mentioned you can see it's a little wider than these pulses are and if there was some structure here maybe that would wash out a little bit so it's a somewhat broadened version of the that's okay we can deal with that but what we can't deal with is what happens when each pulse is different and complicated and then we get a trace that looks like this which little bump corresponds to the pulse is it the spike on the top or the broad base but when people first saw that they thought well it's much more exciting to generate a really short pulse so we'll just kind of ignore this little base here yeah that corresponds to the door opening when we were making this measurement and some light from the hallway got into the measurement who knows what it was but it's just some kind of back and we'll subtract that off and this will be our pulse length well it turns out that was totally wrong it turns out that this baseline is what corresponding to the pulse and this spike which we now call the coherent artifact is just that an artifact that only indicates if you will the shortest temporal structure in the pulse which is not that interesting what is important is how long the actual pulse was so that was a case of scientific self-deception and everybody knows that and this is in the folklore of the field of ultra-fast optics and will be it unto him who makes that mistake again so we all know that within the 1960s well in an early nineteen nineties I came along and my claim to fame as a scientists is I figured out how to measure the intensity and the phase of an arbitrary ultra short laser pulse and interestingly it's pretty easy all we need is these four optical elements we use a second harmonic crystal just as Auto correlation does but it's really thick which violated the rules then I can tell you all about it later but I don't have time tonight but suffice to say we use these four elements we don't even need to move anything and we can get the we can get a spectrogram of the pulse and then we use some clever mathematics that we borrow from the field of astronomy and then what we find is that this technique which we call frequency resolved optical gating or frog hence the website yields a full-color high-resolution image of the pulse and it even tells you whether there's instability or not and it works for all colors all intensities all complexities of Pauls is even extremely complex pulses so that's been a nice thing and here is an example of a measurement that we made just last a few weeks of a pulse in our lab and you can see that's the spectrogram of it and that's the intensity and the face but we've measured pulses that are really really really complicated as well and it works really well but once people realize you could solve this problem another technique where it's and other techniques in fact have emerged my favorite of which is called spider and as you can see spider is a very complicated method all these little things correspond to mirrors or beam splitters and here's an interferometer you don't want to put interferometer and you're in your apparatus it's really complicated and difficult to keep aligned and then something called the pulse stretcher with diffraction gratings and all kinds of other Oh spectrometer - don't forget that so it's a very complicated apparatus so you might think no one's gonna use that when they could just throw those four optical components together and it always works well a lot of people started using this what's going why why is that why had all the laser companies like this method so much and well so we took a look I didn't like looking at my competitors work but we took a look and sure enough what we found was that if you throw nice short stable pulses into spider you get the right answer and the guys who developed it check that but when you throw complicated pulses that are different from pulse to pulse what do you know you get that okay so spider does a good job when the train is stable but when the pulse changes on stage it cannot distinguish a stable train of short simple pulses from an unstable train of long complex pulses well these are the opposite cases once the best-case scenario and the other is the worst-case scenario so well why is that well the only thing that Spyder measures is the cairn artifact and so here it is 50 years later and we still have the same the same type of mistake as people are making there's a scientific self-deception so if we think of this in terms of the Old West you could argue that the spider guys are the cattle rustlers of the of the field they're giving cheating a bit and and it looks like I've won who my group is the group that showed this where the where the sheriff in town that has to wrestle up the cattle rustlers and make sure things go well because everybody wanted him a measure a claim of shorter shorter pulse so this is a case of self-deception and I've made a fun list of different self-deceptions I've become a fan of scientific self-deceptions over the years and the coherent artifact was a small one from the nineteen sixties even though everybody knows about it my favorite one is the Piltdown man which is an anthropological self-deception where people in Britain dug up some fossils they claimed to be a patient human species but in reality we're just a hoax but 41 years to figure that how but and about 300 papers are written on it but there were some distractions I had the flu the 1918 flu was terrible and World War one and two and the Great Depression so we can forgive the the anthropological community for not knowing about about this particular host not figuring it out but if we look at the coherent artifact - it's been going on for 20 years and there have been lots of prizes and you might wonder what distraction well how about y2k maybe that was distracting who knows by still going on so we're still they're still trying to try to work on those cattle rustlers and it's the only sell case of self-deceptions who have been falling for it twice and every laser company and if you buy an ultra-fast laser they will give you a spider measurement of the pulse and it will be shorter than your actual Paulson we've been working on them and I'm just telling everybody I mean spreading the word and most people know it now but they're not doing much about it okay so but we've still made a lot of progress since then on pulse measurement because now we measure pulse is not just as a function of time but also as a function of space and here's a pulse called an ultra-fast lighthouse that we discovered a little while ago and here's a pulse that's undergoing a focus and we can now measure these as a function of space and time and we can do it for a single pulse we don't even need to average over a bunch of pulses and it works really well I'm almost done okay and so I finest chef by saying that there are some interesting applications of ultra-fast optics mine is called coherent control and grant control is an interesting and exciting possibility in the field of chemistry where people will take a molecule and you know if you have a molecule and it undergoes some chemical reaction nature knows what direction wants to go in and it creates whatever nature wants it to do but scientists would not like to come in and bring a shaped laser pulse in in order to cause vibrations to occur inside that that molecule and make the molecule dissociate say in some way that the scientists want not what nature wants and if we make our pulses short enough and and and with the right shape we can actually do that now and there have been hundreds of different chemical reactions controlled in this way and maybe someday it'll be a good way to avoid having toxic waste in a chemical reaction or maybe even create new chemicals that we haven't seen before another thing that's interesting takes advantage of another another multi another domineer optical effect and it's called two photon imaging if you shine light into a medium and look at the fluorescence the fluorescence is maximum at the front and it decays away kind of exponentially as you go but if you bring in I'm gonna hit you with the laser and that it but if you bring in a a photon of a much lower energy ie maybe an infrared photon it takes two of them to get up to the energy level that you need to and then what happens is you only get light fluorescing from a tiny little spot and if you move that spot around you can actually create really interesting basically do microscopy and look at all kinds of interesting images and here's a conventional image of a pollen grain I'm using a standard microscope and here is a three-dimensional image taken with this two-photon microscopy almost every biology lab in the world now has one of these microscopes these images are 3d and don't require killing and slicing up the object in order to make a really beautiful image and here's another image of Amsterdam canal water and if you need another reason not to drink Amsterdam canal water this is it and this is in real time at who knows what who knows what those things are and then finally we can make extremely clean cuts with ultra short laser pulses here are three examples of a continuous laser that's on all the time a nanosecond laser which you might think is short but no it's not in our world it's eons and here's the Pico second or a femtosecond laser and what happens is the femtosecond laser creates a little mechanical shock and creates a nice clean cut whereas a nanosecond laser or even longer laser worse it has a lot of a lot of heat dissipating all over the place as well as shock waves and they get really nasty looking cuts if this were the work of a surgeon I knew this would be called a big scar and this might be called a nice clean cut heals really nicely and you can do submicron sculpting with it as well and that works to make really beautiful things and in fact people have been duped oops okay and then you can do LASIK actually involves using ultra-fast lasers as well when the little flap of tissue has to be cut off your cornea in order to start the LASIK process an ultra-fast laser is also a femtosecond lasers used typically to do that and then you don't have to worry about the surgeon having steady hands and cutting this little flap off with a knife which has been the case until just recently and then finally another application that is not taking off yet but there's a group in France and Germany trying this they've got an ultra-fast laser in a truck and they're driving it around looking for electrical storms and they're shining it up into the air and the beam is intense and it creates so it's called an ionization path and so that makes it a path they're the kind of path that lightning might want to travel and and so so they're hoping to deflect lightning from places that you wouldn't want lightning to hit unfortunately it shoots the lightning it deflects the lightning right down to the truck hopefully they're not in the truck when they're doing this and they have some shield but in any case it would be pretty to love Sunday we could deflect lightning away from major cities to facilities out in the in the middle of nowhere instead okay so with that I will the field Chandler is a happy graduate student playing in the left hello so working okay can you guys hear me back there all right okay well it's a real pleasure to be mm to be here to be able to give this talk Frederic thanks for the intro I this is the first time that I'm giving this public lecture that the school of physics has been organizing for some time to try to reach out to the community and make people aware of developments in science and it's very exciting to be a part of that I know that I'm looking out in the audience and I see a lot of Georgia Tech students but I think there are also members from the community outside of Georgia Tech here and so I'm really excited to be able to to present some science to the broader community as well as to the students who come and take my course so let me see how I okay so I better my right is that so as Rick said ultra-fast lasers were the subject of this year's Nobel Prize in part and Jennifer will tell you about the other part I'm going to tell you about the part that has to do with with shaping laser pulses of course Rick told you how to measure them so I'm going to take a step back and assume that none of you know anything about lasers or really about anything at all which is a perfectly great place to start because if you don't know anything then you won't be mislead by anything so we all do know what light is though light and and we've probably probably all seen this demo where you have a prism and you send light into a prism and out comes a beautiful rainbow and we all know because we perceive colors that different colors are making up white light so there's something called blue green red and we all know those things because we see them in our eye so what do those things have to do with light as a wave so what is what do all waves have in common there are many different kinds of waves there's there are electromagnetic waves these are light waves but there are also the sound waves that are propagating across this room from me to you and allowing you to understand what I'm saying there are mmm those are density waves oscillations of the molecules in this room there are water waves we all know about that but what do always have in common there's always something that's oscillating back and forth so if I make a graph as a function of time there's some quantity that's going to be going up and down up and down up and down and just what that quantity is varies from one type of wave to another but there's always something oscillating so for light waves it's the quantity that oscillates is the electric field and the electric field is a little difficult to visualize although we can visualize light perfectly easily for sound waves it's really the density of air molecules in the room that's that's changing increasing and decreasing ever so slightly in order to convey the energy from one place to another so the second thing that waves have in common is they all have some frequency of oscillation so how many cycles of the wave that occur in one second is known as the frequency and for light waves that frequency of oscillation happens to correspond to the color of the light wave so what we perceive as red light is slightly lower in frequency ever so slightly then blue light which is slightly larger in frequency and and don't ask me why it it appears red in your eye I think first debate that as well okay so for light waves it's the electric field that carries the energy and Rick told you a little bit about how energy is deposited into materials by laser light so here's some laser light and it's an oscillating phenomenon and now it interacts with some molecule or some some matter and that matter is comprised of individual atoms that are bonded together and if you put a little bit of light on a molecule you can cause a chemical change so that the light is absorbed by the molecule and you can have things like dissociation of the molecule or ionization of the molecule where the electrons on a particular atom are stripped off so all those process is going to happen and you might be familiar with many of them or I've heard of them but you may not know that the force exerted by the light waves is typically much much weaker than the forces that bind this molecule together and that's generically true but it's not exactly intuitive to understand why it's true how is it that something that's really so weak and can cause the molecule to break apart and maybe it's a little bit like you're juggling the molecule is really a juggling a whole bunch of balls together and now the light just gently tips it over so some of them can fall out it's a very weak process typically so I started out in this field by trying to make that process very strong for a little while and then I started to make it even weaker than it was so this is an example of a very weak force that light can exert on on atoms and this is something that I do in my laboratory here at Georgia Tech a very very weak forces of light on atoms so here's an atom and and here is its speed it's moving heading towards a laser beam at 800.000 second so we very carefully prepared the atom so it was moving it just exactly that speed and after it absorbs the light the light actually exerts a tiny mechanical for works on the atom and pushes it a little bit so it's now no longer moving at 800 it's moving at 799 point nine seven meters per second so there's a very tiny change of only three centimeters per second that's a tiny change and it's a super weak force and some people have likened it to trying to slow down an elephant with a gun that shoots only ping-pong balls so that would take a very long time before the elephant recognized that you were pushing it it would take forever almost but for atoms it actually takes a finite amount of time which is fortunate but there's a real advantage to this super weak force it's a very tiny force and that is that once you finally do slow it down then the force of the laser light is really not perturbing it very much anymore and it can be a very very gentle container for the for the atoms so in my laboratory here at Georgia Tech if we can do that and slow the atoms down and cool them and this is a little ball of sodium atoms that are emitting beautiful yellow light not with laser pulses but with continuous trains of laser light I know Rick hates those but but they are really beautiful and the atoms here are a thousandth of a degree above absolute zero so they are super cold because finally the laser light is hardly tickling the atoms at all okay so that's how far you can go and then if you want to cool things even further we make something called a bose-einstein condensate this is a graph of of atoms that are cooled down to even lower temperatures of a millionth of a degree above absolute zero so this is just an example of how the force of laser light can be very very weak in in its interaction with matter so these are the kinds of things that I study now here's a picture of my lab so this is typically what happens in my lab we have me standing in the lab always know I'm usually in my office and graduate students this is a man beneath Carlo Samson they were really we were really very interested ly looking at something that was happening in here some great scientific discovery to be made and then were told that someone was taking a picture of us so immediately we got very serious but but this is the kind of setup that although it's it's it's not to do with pulse lasers this is the kind of setup that I had as a graduate student - it's fit on an on a large optical table there were lots of lasers floating around and big cans in which we had almost nothing except a few atoms okay so coming back to the Nobel Prize so one half of the Nobel Prize in 2018 went to Girard Maru was when I was a graduate student a professor at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor moved to France later and Donna Strickland had worked with Gerard Moreau at the University of Rochester and became professor in Waterloo Canada where she was originally from Strickland and Meru I learned about them when I was a graduate student doing a PhD they invented the technique of generating high intensity ultra short optical pulses and we told you a little bit about what those pulses are so I won't dwell too much on that but what is this discovery about and what made it exciting and what makes it still a little bit exciting to me is I work in an area where we work hard in order to to ensure that light really doesn't perturb atoms at all so what if you went to the other limit and you wanted to make the light forces exceed the forces that bind atoms together to form molecules you might say well that's kind of a mean thing to do you just want to go in there and whack it and of course if you hit it very hard it's gonna fall apart it will it's gonna dissociate and and all sorts of nasty things will happen but there's actually something subtle going on so if I want to make the light pulse such that the force has exceed the forces between the atoms then the light is like a player along with the other atoms and you can have it as you can have a designer molecule for instance something that is only existing because of the light but in order to do that the pulse duration has to be very short otherwise you'll just blow everything up because if the force of the light on a molecule is stronger than the chemical bonds then that laser light is going to damage everything else that's in its path because it's force is so strong okay so in practical terms you have to make sure that the light is only there for a very short time and that's in the femtosecond regime okay and for those of you who don't know the prefixes of the metric system in spite of Rick's slide one millionth of one billionth of a second so it's really very very short by human timescales well here's the metric system this is Rick's slide so we're down here and these pulses that can be generated an hour in the attosecond range 10 to the minus 18 seconds okay so what makes it possible to pack a whole bunch of energy into a short pulse is this technique that they developed and which was honoured by the prize this year it's called chirp pulse amplification so I'll tell you a little bit about that if I have enough time okay so you start out with a short pulse so as Rick said anybody can do it all you need is $100,000 I don't think that's quite the right number it's probably more like two hundred thousand dollars to make a short pulse oscillator but then if you want to increase the energy you have to amplify the laser light which you can do using an amplification medium but the problem is the intensity is so high that you will start to before you get to this regime which you are interested in you've already damaged all the optics in your lab and you can't do anything so they figure it out that well if you have a laser then if that pulse is on for a very short time that's the problem because the peak intensity is very high on the other hand if I took all of that energy and I spread it out in time so it was a much longer event and the peak intensity would be lower and then I could amplify it up to some level where it would not damage the optics and then if I then could recompress all of that energy into a short pulse then the peak intensity would be high but by then it's already passed through all of my laser system and it's not going to damage anything anymore and then that pulse can then be focused on to the on to the atom or molecule that I'm interested in so it was a beautiful technique except that the apparatus that's used to to do this stretching amplification recompression it took up two optical tables and I worked on the system just like that I had a strickland Meru compressor stretcher and regenerative amplifier in my lab when I was a graduate student and it was a finicky device so how do you stretch it well you might think what makes it possible for you to control things at that temporal resolution if it's only happening in the 100 femtoseconds how do you get in there and stretch it out well you don't have to do things in the time domain you can do things in the frequency domain so this is how it works so that light that has a short pulse is comprised of blue light and red light there's some blue there's some red and if you put it onto an object called a grating then that will disperse the blue and red components and if you recombine it with another grating if you look carefully at this diagram you'll see that the blue light which travels through the top travels a little bit longer path than the red light which travels through the bottom and therefore it gets stretched out in time okay and so the red light hits the grady earlier than the blue light and so if i adjust this grating I can make the pulse duration short and long that's just because the light at different frequencies all travels at the same speed and because it travels a little bit longer path here versus here the pulse will get stretched out when I put the colors back together again it's an ingenious technique and it was something I used as a graduate student so here's what happens you have a very short pulse that means there are very few oscillations of the light of that electric field and we put it into a stretcher and now what comes out is something which as I promised the red light travelled a little bit shorter path and the blue light so that means in the front there's a little bit more red light that means that the field is oscillating a little bit more slowly over here and it is in the back it's traveling a little bit faster and I found a couple of audio the same thing works with odd waves so it's what's called chirping that means that the frequency here in the front of the pulse is different from the frequency in the back and you can either make the frequency in the front smaller or larger if the audio works so that's a positive chirp for audio waves that's a negative chair for audio waves so we can adjust that grading so that we either have a positive chirp or a negative chirp we would either stretch the pulse out or compress it back together again so here's some data from my PhD thesis where I had to really find tweak that compressor I had my grading on a translation mount and I was moving it back and forth to make sure I got the shortest pulse once I got the shortest pulse I didn't have the fancy devices that that Rick makes but but I had something equivalent and once we have the shortest pulse then we could make we could measure atomic dynamics this is actually data from my PhD thesis back then we didn't have PowerPoint it was about three years before PowerPoint so this was an actual transparency that I took up to the photocopier and photocopied and I wrote this wrote this with a Sharpie pen back in 1995 okay so it's so you could you could really see this these are ions produced by terahertz radiation that was generated is a very short optical pulse so the title of my thesis read Berg wave packets I created in in atoms I created what are called rid berg atoms and I excited them with half cycle pulses and and when we had the shortest pulse then these structures would would appear on a timescale that was only two seconds in duration okay all right so to conclude I just like to tell you a little bit about some futuristic stuff that I think is one of the most exciting things about about this this year's Nobel Prize is what you can do with it okay and that is that some people believe that you can use really short laser pulses to probe something called a quantum vacuum so if you shine your laser pulse on to some molecule which is comprised of individual atoms then you'll whack it and you move it around and do some fun stuff well what if you take that same laser pulse and you focused it into nothing I mean absolutely nothing you take space and you take everything out of it there's no more atoms or molecules there are no cosmic rays coming in from outer space there's nothing in there so what happens would you expect anything to happen so no you don't this is what the vacuum that looks like wait that can't be right okay so in the vacuum is not empty so that in what we've learned in physics over the last 50 years is really that the vacuum is chock-full of things that you just can't see and you can't see because there are so tiny there are little little pairs of electrons and positrons and they have an ephemeral existence they just exist for a short period of time and then they disappear and they're popping up all over the place and now what if you could take your laser pulse and you shine it in there and for that brief instant that an electron-positron pair could be formed you could strip it apart and then you get a real particle that comes out and if you could measure those real particles you'll be probing the quantum vacuum okay so how hard is that it turns out to be really hard okay so maybe we won't get there but I think it could be really exciting if we do so this is a focused intensity in watts per square centimeter to give you a comparison the solar energy on the Earth's surface is 10 to the 7 watts per square centimeter this is to enter so there's what's called ash ringing ten sities ten to the twenty nine watts per square centimeter so that's really bright it's a very bright day if you're out in the Sun and if you look at this intensity that people have been able to achieve by focusing short laser pulses using your pulse amplification they were able to increase the intensity quite a lot and by the time we get to 2010 we're now at intensities which are not anywhere near the shrinker intensity but it turns out that you don't have to because you can use relativistic effects in an article accelerator and this is the actually reaching the regime you can bring this down from the shrinker intensity so you can actually probe the quantum vacuum so with that I'll just mention that in order to get to such high intensities you need huge laser facilities now and so these lasers are now much larger than the laser I had when I was a graduate student and I could sit there and tweak the different parts I imagine if I went into this laser lab and it tried to adjust something over here I would get kicked out pretty fast so um brick mentioned a few brief applications I just wanted to point out some of the things that you might not know about so I talked a little bit about physical chemistry Rick did as well the dynamics of atoms and molecules high-energy physics creating matter from light out of the vacuum there are also very promising x-ray sources that you can make which way you can create light from light itself you can use a short pulse nature to generate short x-ray pulses that can be used to for example image individual protein molecules so potentially one could do bioimaging Rick mentioned some of the industrial and medical applications and then of course because you can strip particles out of the vacuum there's also great interest in trying to use this for fusion energy research and things like plasma generation for whatever perhaps for rescuing us from the problem of lightning if you are interested to learn more there's a beautiful National Academy of Sciences report reaching for the brightest light which details a lot of these applications it's a little bit technical but but it it really points out some of the really interesting stuff that you can do so with that I'll say thanks and turn it over to Jennifer so Jennifer is very similar story she was a graduate student at the University of Chicago and she played with optical tweezers and they're just wonderful beautiful thing and she'll explain why they deserve a Nobel Prize my laptop crashed so let me reboot it doesn't take long I'm not sure why that is maybe it doesn't have power okay good very strange didn't have any I don't have any control I can't see my screen and I don't have any control over my mouse yeah I can see it on the screen here I just can't see it on my laptop if I unplug here hit escape it's very strange can't see anything is the IT person still in the room I just don't have any control over my I could login if I could get to if I had control over my keyboard but I don't you know what I'm going to do is I'll force shut down and reboot so I don't have it I don't have it anywhere else but on this laptop give me one second yeah so okay now that I see something on my screen I can talk while we do this so that's a good question and it's a good transition from dr. rahman so I remember when I was looking to go to grad school I knew that I wanted to study physics I didn't know what I wanted to study so I went to I picked a university that had lots of options that was high quality and I figured I'd figure it out when I got there but the summer before the summer before I went to grad school it was 1997 and was that the year that the Nobel Prize was won for bose-einstein condensation that was but that was that was the laser cooling and then bose-einstein condensation was achieved around that time and so those two things combined made me really want to do what Chandra does actually and so it turns out that when I went to grad school the University of Chicago was a great place but they had sort of everything except for atomic physics and so okay they had everything except for atomic physics and so it's sort of looking around trying to find a lab that I wanted to work in and David Greer's lab you'll hear a little bit more about in my presentation I'm almost there by the way I was working with optical tweezers which is what I'll tell you about today and they're just a fantastic wonderful tool that I think I'll convince you has entertained people since 1986 when they were invented here we go okay and the good thing is is that I'm ending this on sort of a light note with lots of movies and lots of examples and I think that yeah you'll see why they're so fantastic and why people are having fun it's interesting because I'm used to thinking that I'm working at shortlink scales and used to thinking that wow I could take a tractor beam and manipulate viruses and bacteria and cells and that's so small but it's a whole different game when you're competing with the atomic physicist so and the really ultra short laser pulses okay so this is really all about Ashkan and his optical trapping so science fiction there's plenty of examples where somehow there's some sort of force field or electromagnetic wave that's being used to crab onto something you have a tractor beam and pick it up and you can move it around I would love for example to shine my laser beam or some mind and force from my mind some horse that we don't understand and pick up dr. ramen and float him around the room right so we all sort of have dreams about how we might be able to do fantastic things and especially in manipulation and telekinesis right but it turns out that really the Nobel Prize that Ashkan 1/2 of is all about creating microscopic tractor beams so we aren't quite here okay I don't have a way that we can pick up a person and move them around the room but we are here where you can take a laser beam once you've heard all about now focus it to a tight point and grab onto a bead which is attached to a cell and move the cell around and probe the cell measure mechanics of the cell and so forth where you could even shine that very laser beam directly on the cell and grab onto that cell as well that's what we refer to as an optical tweezer an optical trap an optical gradient trap there's lots of different names okay but you get the idea of tweezer it's really because it's like having a tweezer that you can stick into the micro or the nano and use it to pick up something and then hold on to it suspended in 3-d sort of levitated and do what you like I'm going to tell you how that works how I came about and sort of some of the developments along the way so this is where we are so this is Arthur Ashe kid I think this was in his lab in the 80s and really his dream was to use radiation pressure to move and manipulate objects he knew that radiation pressure existed but that it was a really really weak force and so he sort of understood that he needed to work in a regime where other forces wouldn't damp it out he needed to win over gravity he needed to win over viscous damping he needed to win over thermal forces in order to make things happen he was at Bell Labs in the 60s where just not too long after the laser had been invented and so he was sitting on top of a fantastic tool to play around with and it was in the 60s the 70s in the 80s that he really explored these ideas and I'll show you his sort of series of work that got to this his first research discovery where he showed that he could manipulate particles with radiation pressure was in 1970 when he was half the age he is now so he's 96 this year he discovered this first he showed his first proof of principle 1975 years before I was born and he was 48 so he's the oldest person to win the Nobel Prize and it's been a long time coming so his inspiration was his understanding their radiation pressure exists and in fact in comments the dust tale in particular which is comprised of neutral objects is pushed backward by a weak interaction with solar just solar radiation and so he knew that there was this possibility that light can move matter it wasn't a new idea in fact in the 1600s Kepler already was thinking about the way the Sun interacted with comets and the fact that the tails always point away from the Sun then James Maxwell for those of you who are taking 2212 this semester has his Maxwell's equations he's all about electromagnetism and you'll get to that at the end of the semester and he made it formalized a theoretical prediction of radiation pressure and basically argued that there will be a force imparted on any body which reflects her flat roof racks or absorbs light okay so it means that light can push on things and then it was confirmed in the 1900s that it exists experimentally so Ashkan came into this knowing that radiation pressure was possible that it was weak and he just wanted to harness it right do something with it and so there's a few things you need to know sorry I'm cutting in and out but I'm not sure why there's a few things you need to know just to understand where this forces coming from okay so I'm gonna remind you of a few things and go back and forth from here to here so first of all there's a sort of a fundamental principle that momentum is conserved in the universe what you may not know is that light carries momentum so if this was a light ray which was passing through air and hitting this glass Pete chunk of this chunk of glass okay the direction that it's traveling is also the direction of its momentum okay so direct words the direction of its velocity if you will okay and so the lights momentum is related to the direction but when the light is reflected or refracted its momentum changes so for example because of Snell's law it'll Bend when it hits this when it hits you think it's here I'm gonna have to get to my movies when it all experiment here I think it's about where I'm standing not the microphone so so see why Rick was out here so so when it's reflected or refracted it bends right and so if the momentum was in this direction and now it's pointing in that direction there's a change in the direction of the momentum or change in the quantity which you can calculate by just looking at the difference between those two vectors that change in momentum has to be made up by somehow and basically it's given to the glass piece okay and so it has its own change of momentum or if you will there's a force that's exerted on the light that causes it to change his momentum and due to Newton's third law there's a force on the glass which gives its a push and so when you have changing momentum due to light interactions whether it's through absorption or whether it's due to refraction you're going to feel it push so we're gonna build on that in order to understand ashcans discoveries and inventions so his first paper from 1970 was called acceleration and trapping of particles by radiation pressure basically he took micron sized particles and he accelerated them with a laser beam and then he took two laser beams and pointed them against each other and he trapped the particles stabili between those two because one was pushing this way and one was pushing the other way so you can dig into that paper and you can look at the figures here's a single laser bean which is slightly focused with a lens passed over some container with little microscopic particles as particles hop onto the beam and then they were translated by being pushed by the light and the key was that they were small enough that the gravitational force wasn't um wasn't significant enough to pull them down out of the beam and they still could be pushed forward and the viscous forces from the fluid weren't significant enough and this is a counter-propagating dual trap beam where they balance the particle so I have to go over here we'll see what happens with the microphone this is a movie which shows a laser beam interacting with particles and we'll see if it plays okay I hope that doesn't happen with all of our movies we had tested this before but now that my computer crashed it may not work so basically this is a laser beam this is a particle that's hopped onto the laser beam and if I was able to play the movie you would see them translating along the beam okay so a real direct proof that there's interaction between these things and then over here where the beam gets weaker or you see particles coming in and out of it they light up but they don't go downstream because they're it's not bright enough to exert radiation pressure strong enough to overcome the viscous force the particles feel in the fluid that they're sitting in okay so in 1986 let's see here was one thing that I didn't say so in this in this invention or this first sort of proof of principle he proved what he expected which is that you can use radiation pressure to push particles around he also demonstrated that you have to sort of work with particles that don't create thermal heating through absorption of the light because those forces would swamp the radiation forces and then lastly he observed a less intuitive so called gradient force that's different from the scattering force that I was talking about which pulls the particles to the center of the beam so it turns out that if a particle even gets close to the edge of the beam it gets sucked into the middle of it where the highest intensity is all right so then in 1986 he started working he'd actually a whole bunch of stuff including work that was developmental towards using radiation pressure to manipulate atoms and molecules which led on to some of the other work that Chandra was talking to but what was interesting was that when he took a beam laser beam and he focused it really strongly he expected again just to be playing with radiation pressure and look at the particle pop onto the beam and flow downstream okay but instead what he found was that the particle traps right close to the center of that focus and so instead of getting blown along it got sucked under the beam and then held right in the middle where the focus was were actually slightly displaced from it which wasn't expected at all okay and so it's sort of then that he had to sort of scratch his head and do some thinking and some analysis of what was going on for an accidental discovery but it was great because now he didn't need to counter puppet propagating laser beams to hold a particle in place and stabili trap something he just needed to focus a laser beam and at the focus an optical particle would set and then he could use a mirror to move the beam around and the particle would move with no problem so in the paper he also shows okay I think I'm in a shout testing let's see if this is better alright so so in this paper he was able to show that this trap could grab onto particles as large as ten microns and stabili hold on to them and go down to 25 nanometer particles so very very tiny and this are just some schematics from the paper we'll come back to looking at something like this to understand how it works this is the focus laser beam it's going this direction there's a particle which has been trapped at the focus and that's why the light looks so distorted okay alright so now I'm running out of time and I think my favorite movie isn't going to play for you okay so what this movie would show you and it's really it's really too bad that it's not going to work is that Ashkan sort of it's not it's not it's not I have two minutes so alright so anyway he was able to manipulate this movie shows sort of the storybook of the things you can manipulate it wasn't made by Ashkan it was made in 2009 but it plays with yeast it plays with bacteria it plays with lipid vesicles and then it goes to cells and it plays with wiggling around the organelles in cells okay and so now if you want to understand how the optical trap works it basically goes back to this idea of momentum conservation or sort of giving a push when light is refracted and the key is that when you have a laser beam which is got on bright intensity at the middle and less intensity at the edges if the particle is not symmetric with this this part of the particle is encountering a really bright intensity and so in the when the light travels through the particle its refracted once when it enters and once when it leaves and so this is the change in momentum and as a result the particle itself feels a force or changing momentum in the opposite direction okay which is pushing it back towards the center of the trap on the other side something similar happens and so the particle feels a force in this way but the light isn't as bright here as it is there so there's more force on this side than this side so it tends to go towards the middle if it goes too far on the other side it's pushed back in the other way okay so that's what it stays in the middle the beam and in fact that's the explanation for what Ashkan saw originally you can do something similar when you deal with forces in a focused laser beam and think about the force that you'll get when the particles slightly below the focus or when it's slightly above the focus okay so it's kind of funny I talked to chatted with my thesis adviser and this is what he said which I thought was kind of nice that what really Nobel Prizes are made of it's an obvious truth hiding in plain sight so so applications of optical tweezers and now I'm going to go through these really fast because none of the movies are going to play so manipulating things is sort of a big thing oh look at this it's working this is a bead connected to two beads connected to a strand of DNA the optical traps are being manipulated and the DNA is being tied in and I okay so these are sort of a class of molecules called single molecule experiments lots of manipulations have been done this is another example where the fact that you can use an optical trap two measures forces that are exerted on the order of Pico Newtons and also exert forces was used to stretch DNA okay and I think it's gonna work all right so anyway so what we have here is again DNA between these two traps they're pulled on just like this and then you can measure the force versus stretch this is really relevant because you have to remember each of your cells has a small nucleus even smaller than the cell itself which has two meters of DNA wrapped up and folded upon itself in really complex ways and somehow even with all of the folding your genetic expression your gene expression is working just fine and there's a lot of mechanics involved in this optical tweezers have also been used to grab onto little organelles inside of your body inside of your cells which are attached to molecular motors which walk around along highways in your cells and they've been used to look at the forces that they exert to carry the cargo it's like an african woman carrying something above her head they've been used to track the steps that these motors take to look at how much ATP conception or energy consumption goes with that to get the forces so this kinesin for example takes eight nanometer steps just really brilliant experiments when it comes to learning about the nano scale then the cell scale many other kinds of work have been done taking beads which are coated with molecules that bind to receptors on the cell surface have been used to present those molecules to the cells and look at the interactions and measure the forces between those interactions or to look at how it simulates cell signaling on the other side here there's another experiment that would never be done at the same time a bead has been used to bind to the cell surface and then to pull basically the the membrane of the cell away from an underlying network of cytoskeleton the acting cortex I mean they measure the force while they do that and the force goes up and it Peaks it takes some force to break it away and then a very very long tube of membrane is pulled and they measure the forces they do that and they basically find that the force is constant and you can pull and you can pull and you can pull and you can pull and you can pull and this is because the cell has a reservoir of extra membrane which is coming from an army of vesicles right under the cell surface that fuse to keep the membrane tension constant basically there's been measurements to look at red blood cell mechanics anything you can imagine so I in vitro fertilization apparently this is actually a real technology that a company uses you can find this online I think my talk will be put online so I won't show the picture or the movie and very originally in the lab that I was in I haven't told you what what I did we were really interested in studying we were really interested in studying phase transitions and crystal growth and there were interest that was interest in sort of creating hundreds of optical traps to template crystals or rearrange things in wiggle and see how things are affected so I'll show you one last movie and that'll let me tell you what I do or what I did as a graduate student so in my lab that the question really was how do you make hundreds of reconfigurable optical traps in an easy way Eric Dufresne who is a graduate student a few years older than me had this sort of flash of inspiration that in the same way that light is diffracted when it passes through a crystal and it has spots on the wall or through a diffraction grating you can pass a laser beam and split it with the diffraction grating and put points of light anywhere you want and you can turn those points of light into optical tweezers and so he did that basically I should point out an optical trap is basically a laser beam going into a lens and if you do it nicely you can steer where those beams go but if you put a diffractive optical element in the way you can create multiple beams that create that trap multiple objects I came along and we started fiddling around with basically a liquid crystal display that acts like that diffraction grating where you can figure out what you need to put on it to put the traps wherever you want and a lot of my work was about integrating that liquid crystal display to create hundreds of traps this is four hundred traps well I personally filled 200 of them that took a while and sort of figuring out the algorithms for how to put these things in 2d wherever you'd like and how to do it in 3d but the special thing is now that this is computer addressable and refreshable you can start moving things around and I think this movie will work because it's not on the web so this was something that I made when I was a PhD student and basically it was the first example of dynamic holographic optical tweezers and it was just fun because I could basically create anything that I wanted to create we also realized that there's different we also made things in 3d this is not going to play and we realized that if you change the wavefronts of your beam or the mode of the laser that you're working with and you don't just work with the traditional gaussian mode of laser beam you can do things like put helical wave phones on them and when you focus them instead of looking like a spot they look like a circle and in fact that light carries something called orbital angular momentum that when it interacts with objects they spin around because the angular momentum is transferred to the objects so this was us playing around with a mixture of being able to write olicity onto our beams and then make multiple traps simultaneously to do to create these things so it's fun optical traps are just something that you can really play around with I think generations now have enjoyed themselves and at the same time we've really sort of done some significant things in dialog biology and biophysics this is from a review paper of Ashkan just to summarize he has a two beam trap for for trapping his just pressure trap for pushing his levitation trap which I didn't talk about in the gradient trap which is what everybody uses today and with that we can finally have some discussion and questions I'm responsible for this you know I got so excited as three people to talk think of it this way you get three fantastic talk for the price of one but it's running over an hour which we hate to do please leave if you you know have to leave what we'll do is we'll put our speakers here they'll sit down if anybody wants to ask a question so if you have a question just raise your hand and we'll bring the microphone to you so the speakers down front can hear regarding the short pulses do you care about the pulse shape at all and do you have any control over that or just just want it as short as possible on the other hand if you're going to try to control a chemical reaction then you need a very specific pulse shape not only the intensity has to have the correct shape but the phase or the color versus time has to have the correct shape so there are all kinds of interesting applications that in fact require very specific shapes and there are devices that none of us talked about called pulse shapers that allow you to do precisely that thanks question maybe you answered this and I didn't understand it but have the manufacturers of what I think you're calling the Spyder gotten the message or is this second great faux pas gonna continue on in the future and as a corollary to that the device you invented which seems to solve this problem hasn't seemed to have taken off or at least you didn't indicate that it didn't and is that because of all the mathematics that's involved or can you address that also a very good question and in fact I have given talks at almost all the laser companies they all know they've all read the papers and it's a matter of someone flinching first and so I've asked all the companies will you please measure your pulses correctly just go back to autocorrelation which would give a more accurate response that is actually sensitive to some of the instabilities that can occur and all the laser companies tell me the same exact thing we're not doing it first they said if we have a 20 if we can claim a 25th the second pulse we can charge $20,000 more for our laser than if we have a 40 femtosecond pulse so it's a interesting situation there's a lot of bad behavior in the world and and this is an example of it I don't think anybody's being harmed but but people are spending more money on lasers then then they they really should so it's an interesting battle to try to remove a little self-deception from a scientific field and it's a very common one though you saw the list and self-deceptions that i put on the board on the screen it happens all the time and in fact I I was when I first came here to Georgia Tech I was assigned to advise an astronomer and a new assistant professor astronomer and I he's a brilliant guy and I asked him I said so you know how is it in your field how are things going and I said with my field we have some self-deceptions he says oh we have all kinds of self-deceptions in our field so in science it's very common for scientists who believe something that's wrong you know scientists are just people and for example there's a famous theory of the universe called the steady state theory and the inventor of that theory fred hoyle went to his death believing that it was the correct theory it's wrong Big Bang Theory is correct but oil you know refused to give it up so it's a pretty common thing in scientists are no different from from other people we're a little smarter but not that much smarter the good thing is that the old men die so they've developed the the the microscopic earth at the tweezers right is there work going on at Georgia Tech enveloping products with that those techniques there's work going on using optical tweezers to do research but there's not there's not further development work I can say from my PhD thesis and a lot of that a lot of patents came out of it and a company was started and they spent a lot of time trying to sort of mark it or come up with marketable things that optical tweezers or holographic optical tweezers could be used for to make money that was an industrial scale thing or medical scale thing and it was it was actually kind of tricky to do so most of their units were sold to researchers who wanted to sort of play around in the way hypothetical proving something or was that you foresee some type of application so I think that that was a shiny side that was really literally a shiny shiny science piece that got a high profile paper but I think a lot of us were scratching our heads sort of saying what's the point but the truth is that DNA does sometimes get tied and not DNA mechanics since how much it can bend and how much it stretches and so forth really is a biophysical question that impacts gene expression and how well things work but that was a pretty hokey example so I would have had to dig deeper and have more time to give and give sort of more I think that's an exciting or fun example but it's not good science example so there's other things that you know the the sort of central dogma is that genetic information flows from DNA to RNA to proteins and there's all of these molecular machines that help go from the DNA to then making something called RNA and then to making protein and there's another nice example where an RNA polymerase that's it's a little molecular machine moves along the DNA and it transcribes it into the RNA which would then later be made to protein and so really exquisite experiments have been done with optical tweezers to understand exactly how the RNA polymerase moves and what sort of what affects it and what doesn't and this is directly related than to gene expression so I have a question from professor Chen how does the you know how does this go in top tamo twist office you know they really do operation so tell us a little bit you know there's a shining example so I'm not too much of an expert on that on that but but the kind of lasers that go in there are actually pretty compact and small so so the the laser system that I used when I was a graduate student had an oscillator that occupied a quarter of a 5 foot by 10 foot table and then it had some gratings which occupied three quarters and then there was another optical table of the same size which had this amplifier and then so the whole thing occupied two optical tables but it turns out that there have been a lot of developments on the laser side just the oscillator part of it and that part can actually be done using optical fiber so the whole laser system which I mean so the whole laser that produces the femtosecond pulses can be produced all within an optical fiber and that optical fiber can just be coiled up into a small package so that's made it possible to to take that kind of laser out in the lot of the out of the lab and into the real world and that's what's made it possible for it to have medical applications for example so there are some people doing research with these very high intensity lasers to do surgery but it's as far as I know just research thank you very much